Handcuff for Shaun Alexander (1 Viewer)

[Penguins]

Hey guys - I drafted Shaun Alexander and handcuffed him with Morris - is there any way that Pearman becomes the #2 - or would we be looking at a RBBC if Alexander gets hurt

 

[Godsbrother]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

 

[Penguins]

I agree - he really was not great filling the shoes for alexander - that's why the pearman trade caught my interest.....I'm wanting to protect alexander with his backup - regardless, if he's not great - ok - but at least you get a guy that will give you 60ish yards and maybe a td (thus matching up with any WR on the waiver wire).....

So, with morris not performing well last year - is the pearman trade a change in the works for the backup slot?

 

[sos32]

I'm thinking Weaver takes away from all of them if Alexander goes down. Either way it will be a RBBC with Weaver leading the charge

 

[az_prof]

The situation bears watching if you are a SA owner, but I wouldn't rush out and drop Morris to pick up Pearman. More than likely he was brought in to add depth as there isn't any RB depth behind SA and Morris.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm thinking Weaver takes away from all of them if Alexander goes down. Either way it will be a RBBC with Weaver leading the charge

Exactly my thoughts

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

Me, too.And I'm still cursing his name. 0 TDs in 6 games.

 

[mad sweeney]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

Me, too.And I'm still cursing his name. 0 TDs in 6 games.

Momo was given just enough rope to hang himself last year. I think he signed an extension in the off season (or was it last season) oretty much admitting he will be a backup for life. He's been shut out of the kick returning duties, mainly due to the fact that he was allergic to crossing the 30 yard line. I really know nothing about Pearman but MoMo is an average RB with good speed and should be happy he's got a steady job, for now...

 

[cstu]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

Me, too.And I'm still cursing his name. 0 TDs in 6 games.

Momo was given just enough rope to hang himself last year. I think he signed an extension in the off season (or was it last season) oretty much admitting he will be a backup for life. He's been shut out of the kick returning duties, mainly due to the fact that he was allergic to crossing the 30 yard line. I really know nothing about Pearman but MoMo is an average RB with good speed and should be happy he's got a steady job, for now...

Morris didn't really get too many goal line chances did he? IIRC, Hasselbeck was throwing a lot of TD's in the games he played with Morris starting.

 

[On The Rocks]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

I did the same thing. I would not consider Morris to be a handcuff to Alexander.I doubt I would consider Pearman to be one either.

 

[mad sweeney]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

Me, too.And I'm still cursing his name. 0 TDs in 6 games.

Momo was given just enough rope to hang himself last year. I think he signed an extension in the off season (or was it last season) oretty much admitting he will be a backup for life. He's been shut out of the kick returning duties, mainly due to the fact that he was allergic to crossing the 30 yard line. I really know nothing about Pearman but MoMo is an average RB with good speed and should be happy he's got a steady job, for now...

Morris didn't really get too many goal line chances did he? IIRC, Hasselbeck was throwing a lot of TD's in the games he played with Morris starting.

What does that have to do with Morris being an average back? And Wallace was the QB for at least 4 of MoMo's starts, IIRC.

 

[Blackstar]

Handcuffing a stud RB with a scrub is pointless. If your only option is to put M.Morris in if S.Alexander goes down, you've got a pretty bad team

 

[menobrown]

Morris may not have been a big fantasy producer due to the lack of TD's but I don't see how people say he sucked. He got 6 starts, ran for 445 yards which is an average of 74 per game and averaged about 4 yards a carry. Considering he averaged a higher yards per carry than Alexander and did so with Seneca Wallace as the QB in most of those games I don't think he did to badly.

 

[Blackstar]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

 

[gregjcross]

If you ever have to rely on Alvin Pearmn in your starting lineup as a second RB, as a handcuff or not, just Mail the Season In, you are done.

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

 

[cstu]

I handcuffed SA with Morris last season and to say he was a disappointment is an understatement. Simply put, Morris sucks.

Me, too.And I'm still cursing his name. 0 TDs in 6 games.

Momo was given just enough rope to hang himself last year. I think he signed an extension in the off season (or was it last season) oretty much admitting he will be a backup for life. He's been shut out of the kick returning duties, mainly due to the fact that he was allergic to crossing the 30 yard line. I really know nothing about Pearman but MoMo is an average RB with good speed and should be happy he's got a steady job, for now...

Morris didn't really get too many goal line chances did he? IIRC, Hasselbeck was throwing a lot of TD's in the games he played with Morris starting.

What does that have to do with Morris being an average back? And Wallace was the QB for at least 4 of MoMo's starts, IIRC.

I thought the discussion was about SA's handcuff. I'm just saying that he didn't do anything when he was the starter to blow the backup job. He's not a stud back, that's a given, but he didn't play under ideal conditions and still ended up with a couple 100 yard games.

 

[cstu]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

74 yards a game is a 1200 yard season. I'll take that out of my #2 RB.TD's are unpredictable, I seem to remember Curtis Martin having over 300 carries and only 2 TD's a few years ago.

 

[Penguins]

hmmmm - I love when critics come in to say you are done when you handcuff a high RB pick....there are other options out there - but let me ask - would you rather draft Marty Booker or the backup to handcuff a round 1 pick - "he who casts the first stone..."....I opted for the handcuff than a WR4 or WR5....

Question is will it be a RBBC with Morris, Weaver, Pearman or one of the above

SOS32 and Mad Sweeney had the best takes about Weaver - I don't know much about Weaver - anyone with some insight on Weaver?

 

[Blackstar]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

74 yards a game is a 1200 yard season. I'll take that out of my #2 RB.TD's are unpredictable, I seem to remember Curtis Martin having over 300 carries and only 2 TD's a few years ago.

That's fine. I don't. especially if he's not getting in the endzone....and just because you can't always believe what you read, I went and checked.... in his 6 starts he only got 410 yard. 68 per game, 1088 for the season.

 

[Blackstar]

hmmmm - I love when critics come in to say you are done when you handcuff a high RB pick....there are other options out there - but let me ask - would you rather draft Marty Booker or the backup to handcuff a round 1 pick - "he who casts the first stone..."....I opted for the handcuff than a WR4 or WR5....Question is will it be a RBBC with Morris, Weaver, Pearman or one of the aboveSOS32 and Mad Sweeney had the best takes about Weaver - I don't know much about Weaver - anyone with some insight on Weaver?

Mike Turner isn't a bad handcuff because he doesn't suck. If you're opting to handcuff a high RB instead over taking actual starters or RBBC guys who will see the ball when there is a healthy season going on then great. Personally, I don't draft counting on injuries. You get too many wasted roster spots when you do.

 

[menobrown]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

74 yards a game is a 1200 yard season. I'll take that out of my #2 RB.TD's are unpredictable, I seem to remember Curtis Martin having over 300 carries and only 2 TD's a few years ago.

That's fine. I don't. especially if he's not getting in the endzone....and just because you can't always believe what you read, I went and checked.... in his 6 starts he only got 410 yard. 68 per game, 1088 for the season.

Two things.#1- Check your math because sometimes you can't even believe your self as your numbers are wrong: His 6 starts he rushed for 35, 74, 49, 25, 138 and 124 yards. Not sure what math you are using but the using the one plus one equals two style I've been taught this equals 445 yards and just over 74 per game.#2- When the Seahawks decide on who their backup RB is they don't care about fantasy numbers and if the back gets in the endzone or not. The Curtis Martin example was perfect. Martin was a fantasy dud that year but I don't think the Jets wanted to dump him because he was not scoring TD's for fantasy teams.

 

[Blackstar]

1. my bad. I forgot to add that monster 11 carry, 35 yard performance.

2. curtis martin is not m.morris. but you're right, coaches don't look at fantasy stats which is why they may like m.morris. However, I do fantasy and M.Morris is a scrubby Fantasy RB.

 

[stevegamer]

Pearman is probably a better returner than Morris., and may be a better runner than Morris. He's agood fit as far as what the team needed overall.

Realize that backup WR/RB/TE are not ont he team solely because of how well they play those spots - they need to be helpful on special teams, generally.

 

[Enforcer]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

 

[cacksman]

First of all, Morris is not as bad as being made out to be. People like to put him down because they started him last year when SA went down and he didnt get in the endzone. But as a Seattle homer, I thought Morris held his own when given the chance to start, especially considering Seneca Wallace was the starting QB for most of those games.

Also, if for some reason SA does go down, Leonard Weaver WILL NOT be the primary ball carrier. He will get some touches of course, but the one thing Holmgren hates more than anything is turnovers. One of Weaver's problems has been putting the ball on the ground, also he has been a big liability in pass blocking this preseason. It was assumed before training camp that Weaver would have the backup FB spot nailed, but as preseason went on, people were talking about him being cut.

 

[Blackstar]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

oolMaurice Morris will never ever score a TD ever again

 

[Blackstar]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

oolMaurice Morris will never ever score a TD ever again

You win. M.Morris is the truth. May as well pencil in a superbowl if S.Alexander goes down. Yaaaay for handcuffs. Your team is great. Are you taking M.Morris as your #3 RB? your #4? if so, I laugh at you. If not, ####.Peace.

 

[Big Dumb Ape]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

oolMaurice Morris will never ever score a TD ever again

You win. M.Morris is the truth. May as well pencil in a superbowl if S.Alexander goes down. Yaaaay for handcuffs. Your team is great. Are you taking M.Morris as your #3 RB? your #4? if so, I laugh at you. If not, ####.Peace.

I'm not trying to make any point about Morris. I'm mostly just laughing at you, chief.

 

[cacksman]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

Your argument is ######ed. You think that if Morris got enough carries to gain over 1000 yards, that he wouldnt score? Especially on the Seahawks? Last year when he started, as was Seneca Wallace.

 

[cstu]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

oolMaurice Morris will never ever score a TD ever again

You win. M.Morris is the truth. May as well pencil in a superbowl if S.Alexander goes down. Yaaaay for handcuffs. Your team is great. Are you taking M.Morris as your #3 RB? your #4? if so, I laugh at you. If not, ####.Peace.

Why is it all or nothing with you? In a lot of leagues ANY starter is valuable, even if it's a guy like Morris. In deeper leagues that have a lot of starters he makes sense for Alexander owners.

 

[Blackstar]

no I think that while you're waiting for m.morris to blossom, you're losing valuable ground, especially if there's a total points prize at the end of the season. Just like all those people last year who started him and he got you 35, 74, 49, 25 in his first 4 starts.

I'm sorry but aside from bye weeks, there is a reason you should have a good #3 RB; its so you don't have to start people like m.morris if s.alexander goes down.

I don't start my players on hopes and wishes, again YMMV

 

[Blackstar]

If you're only getting 74 yards per game from one of your starting RBs, you have a bad team.

Really? 74 yards per game equates to a 1184 yards in a season. Last year only 11 running backs in the NFL gained 1184 rushing yards or more. Does this mean that the average fantasy roster is automatically a bad team? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your point.EDIT: Sorry. I didn't take the time to read the whole thread. I see Blackstar has already been and my commentary wasn't necessary.

Apparently you are misunderstanding. When your big time 20 ppg goes out and you can only replace him with 7.4 ppg, you have a bad team. 1184 yards without TD will not cut it in good leagues. Maybe it does in your scrubtastic ones. YMMV

oolMaurice Morris will never ever score a TD ever again

You win. M.Morris is the truth. May as well pencil in a superbowl if S.Alexander goes down. Yaaaay for handcuffs. Your team is great. Are you taking M.Morris as your #3 RB? your #4? if so, I laugh at you. If not, ####.Peace.

Why is it all or nothing with you? In a lot of leagues ANY starter is valuable, even if it's a guy like Morris. In deeper leagues that have a lot of starters he makes sense for Alexander owners.

So what round is m.morris being taken in these leagues you're talking about? Are you talking 14-20 team fantasy leagues? if so, handcuff away. BUT, in a standard 12 team 16-18 roster spot league, he didn't get drafted in any of the ones I'm in(6).

 

[mad sweeney]

hmmmm - I love when critics come in to say you are done when you handcuff a high RB pick....there are other options out there - but let me ask - would you rather draft Marty Booker or the backup to handcuff a round 1 pick - "he who casts the first stone..."....I opted for the handcuff than a WR4 or WR5....Question is will it be a RBBC with Morris, Weaver, Pearman or one of the aboveSOS32 and Mad Sweeney had the best takes about Weaver - I don't know much about Weaver - anyone with some insight on Weaver?

Weaver is a FB, though is speedier and has better hands than a true blocking FB. He's versatile, I'll get to that in a minute. He impressed in camp last year but it was cut short by a high ankle sprain that landed him on IR. So he has no game experience, and quite frankly he was inimpressive this year compared to last. However they cut all their FBs but him so he must've practiced well and got some reps at tailback too. I read in TC he was lined up in a variety of places, including TE. 6'2" 240. From what I gathered he can come in on 3rd downs at FB, giving Holmgren's favorite 3rd and long play (the FB draw) a better chance at working. And perhaps even try a few different plays in that situation. He can line up behind Strong for goalline and short distance. He can be a receiving threat at FB, motion out. One of Holmgren's declarations at the start of camps was that he was going to introduce more motion into the offense to create mismatches. So he wants to take advantage of Weaver's skill set. Which he didn't really showcase much until game 4. So really not too much is known about what he brings, and therefore his contribution with or without Alexander is hard to say. In addition to spelling Strong who is in his 14th season. But still kicks ###. They kept a FB on PS so maybe they have doubts, although the FB is David Kirtman who literally lived next door to Holmgren in the Seattle area befoe going to USC. So his presence may be for other reasons than worry about Weaver.I know nothing about Pearman although if he's a returner he finds himself in competition with several guys who recently have given the return game some hope after a long drought. If it were me, I wouldn't even worry about handcuffing SA as it might be harder to figure out than the Broncos the last few years. If Weaver's talent plays out then a Morris/Weaver combo could be like a poor man's Alstott/Dunn. But other than stealing some goalline carries, which SA gets all the time so maybe not even then, and some 3rd down acion, Weaver probably won't be much value, FF wise. Just my 3 cents.