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What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
I thought the whole conversation about dropping f-bombs and how using it rarely actually gives it emphasis while using it all the time just makes you look dumb was a very intentional shot at Rex Ryan. Philbin knew that conversation would make it on the show and took the opportunity to not only make a point to Chad, but make Rex's antics and constant f-bombs last year look like buffoonery.What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
Never occurred to me like that, but maybe.I thought the whole conversation about dropping f-bombs and how using it rarely actually gives it emphasis while using it all the time just makes you look dumb was a very intentional shot at Rex Ryan. Philbin knew that conversation would make it on the show and took the opportunity to not only make a point to Chad, but make Rex's antics and constant f-bombs last year look like buffoonery.What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
I actually thought of Rex Ryan immediately as well and how he did look like an idiot when he was on Hard Knocks. I did not consider whether Philbin was sending a message or not, but Rex was the first one that came to mind as Philbin said that. I also agree that Chad didn't hear a word Philbin said at the time, but I am sure Chad saw (on TV) Philbin's comment something to the effect of Chad not making the team if it continues. Side comment: I get that these coaches work long days, but it seems like a large percentage of coaches are either super-fat (Ryan, Holmgren, Reid, etc) or look like they have never lifted so much as a dumbbell (Philbin). You have world-class weight training and cardio facilities and your own strength and nutrition professionals. Use them.I thought the whole conversation about dropping f-bombs and how using it rarely actually gives it emphasis while using it all the time just makes you look dumb was a very intentional shot at Rex Ryan. Philbin knew that conversation would make it on the show and took the opportunity to not only make a point to Chad, but make Rex's antics and constant f-bombs last year look like buffoonery.What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
I think it's ridiculous to be making dire predictions on the guy's ability to be a head coach based on a few conversation snippets in his first week of training camp. I will say that CJ's act is stale. We've seen it before on the same show. Boring. I chuckled at the "If she makes you pause call of duty, she's the ####### one", but for the most part he comes off like a 14 year old idiot. Grow up already. Best moment of the night was rookie TE to girlfriend, "You look hot, as yoozsh." Loved the opening too. So harsh. Guy was so excited to be there, tells lady in elevator how tough the month is going to be. Then, gone in a flash. Tough biz.What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
I noticed this too. There was virtually no shots of RBs besides Bush playing FIFA with Chad J. One of the reasons for watching is to get a better grasp on how they are going to use the RBs...'ashishka said:i hope they show a glimpse of development of d. thomas and l. miller.... bush is likely to be injured at some point this season and really isnt a between the tackles guy. does anybody think these other guys can make a fantasy impact?
this is not the show for that type of insightI noticed this too. There was virtually no shots of RBs besides Bush playing FIFA with Chad J. One of the reasons for watching is to get a better grasp on how they are going to use the RBs...'ashishka said:i hope they show a glimpse of development of d. thomas and l. miller.... bush is likely to be injured at some point this season and really isnt a between the tackles guy. does anybody think these other guys can make a fantasy impact?
So they lost the bleep button this year- huh?
He has a lot of dirt on Johnson as well. Telling him that his new lady made him change his name back...Johnson never said a sharp word back to him.And what was the deal with Eric Steinbach. Philbin cuts a rookie after the conditioning drill to bring in a guy he knew from ten years ago that has been out of football for over a year. After Steinbach's first workout he says to the camera, "All I need now is an ice bath and a cigarette." Huh?
he knows nothing about johnson. he mentioned something about how johnson is out partying all night drinking patron and everyone knows johnson does not drink alcohol. johnson even snapped back with that retort but it was hard to hearHe has a lot of dirt on Johnson as well. Telling him that his new lady made him change his name back...Johnson never said a sharp word back to him.And what was the deal with Eric Steinbach. Philbin cuts a rookie after the conditioning drill to bring in a guy he knew from ten years ago that has been out of football for over a year. After Steinbach's first workout he says to the camera, "All I need now is an ice bath and a cigarette." Huh?
Anyway, moving on...Love the show, as always. Just great TV.But, wow...I am so unimpressed with Philbin, thus far. A reason he has been an assistant for 10,000 consecutive days. Just does not strike me as HC material. Could be proved wrong, but how he handled the QB depth chart issue (forget how clueless he is in dealing with Chad), darn near apologizing for his decision? I dunno...I just don't see a commander in chief. I see a coordinator with the title of head coach.
On Tuesday night, the 2012 edition of Hard Knocks debuted on HBO. On Wednesday, two players who served as focal points of the program took very different approaches in response to the show.According to Adam H. Beasley of the Miami Herald, receiver Chad Johnson had nothing to say.“I don’t do media anymore,” Johnson told reporters, possibly in response to the televised lecture Johnson received from coach Joe Philbin for the language he uses when speaking to the press.In contrast, cornerback Vontae Davis didn’t seem to be troubled by questions regarding his conditioning and aggressive coaching from Philbin.“Coach is supposed to be on you hard,” Davis said. “If he’s not on you hard, I shouldn’t even be out here. He wants me to be the best player I can be, and I want him to coach me hard.”A full-blown media boycott eventually will be costly for Chad. He’s required to be available after games and at least once per week.
Watching now for the first time and I think that's reading A LOT into what Philbin said and purely speculative on your part. I didnt get the impression that he was thinking of Ryan at all but simply reacting to Chad's frequent F-bombs during his media session. As he mentioned to one of his asst coaches, he simply didnt think that was a good representation of the organization.As a first year coach of a team with many question marks, Philbin should be worried about his team and not trying to send any messages to a division rival, particularly about the use of colorful language. To be concerned with another coach's choice of words from 2 seasons ago when his focus is on getting this team together and trying to win games would be the buffoonery here. And I highly doubt that was the case.I thought the whole conversation about dropping f-bombs and how using it rarely actually gives it emphasis while using it all the time just makes you look dumb was a very intentional shot at Rex Ryan. Philbin knew that conversation would make it on the show and took the opportunity to not only make a point to Chad, but make Rex's antics and constant f-bombs last year look like buffoonery.What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
I've never seen the show, but, for me, one of the most unfortunate and uncomfortable things in sports to watch = reporters giggling and laughing at athletes ignorant jokes and comments.Forgot to mention last night... it made me want to PUKE how the media members suck up to Chad. Laughing like jackasses at his stupid jokes while he's standing at the podium. Let's see how funny they think he is when he's not in the league anymore.
I refuse to draft him until he stops using the word fantabulous.Garrard - major chip on his shoulder. He was positioned last year as a guy who didn't prioritize football. When he was going thru last year, he specifically brought up 'being dumped by a team'.
Agreed. Pump up speeches from head coaches that never played in college or the NFL seem to ring hollow.Philbin - his 'rally the troops' speech on the eve of training camp seemed awfully generic.
:greatposting:Nails on a chalkboard, that scene.I refuse to draft him until he stops using the word fantabulous.Garrard - major chip on his shoulder. He was positioned last year as a guy who didn't prioritize football. When he was going thru last year, he specifically brought up 'being dumped by a team'.
Philbin forgetting that Chad couldn't go home to see his wife because it was his rule that wouldn't allow it! LOL!
I'm kind of rooting for Garrard. I think he was underrated at Jax with nobody else around him. I do think he's an idiot for water skiing in the opening scenes considering he missed last year because he had back surgery.:greatposting:Nails on a chalkboard, that scene.I refuse to draft him until he stops using the word fantabulous.Garrard - major chip on his shoulder. He was positioned last year as a guy who didn't prioritize football. When he was going thru last year, he specifically brought up 'being dumped by a team'.
BAHHH - that's why I can't find itJust saw that NFL Films is preventing Hard Knocks from being on HBOGO. Dumb.
Oh, it's a terrible team. But, I don't see the boredom factor. At all. From the first day of camp cuts, to Steinbach's "ice bucket and a cigarette" quip, to Chad's antics, to Davis's conditioning, the QB fiasco, the team seriously giving consideration to a TE who can run but can't play football...all of it's just a great ol' fashioned drama for football fans. I honestly can't understand why anyone wouldn't enjoy this immensely, let alone consider the hour wasted.watched last night. what a boring ### team to follow. seriously, no personality at all. its like the signed Chad Johnson just so he could be the star of Hard Knocks.
Seems to be the common sentiment from just about everyone. I dont think they are a playoff team, but I dont think they are terrible. They will be a tough out every week. The defense is very good. Possibly top 10 (believe they were last year). The offense should be improved from last year's outdated run first, play for the FG mentality. This team started 0-7 last year with some very tough, close losses, and then kept it together to finish the last 9 games 6-3. The trend is up, and all they lost was a headcase WR who dropped 7 TD passes last year. They also gave a facelift to the right side of the OL, which was a mess last season.Oh, it's a terrible team. But, I don't see the boredom factor. At all. From the first day of camp cuts, to Steinbach's "ice bucket and a cigarette" quip, to Chad's antics, to Davis's conditioning, the QB fiasco, the team seriously giving consideration to a TE who can run but can't play football...all of it's just a great ol' fashioned drama for football fans. I honestly can't understand why anyone wouldn't enjoy this immensely, let alone consider the hour wasted.watched last night. what a boring ### team to follow. seriously, no personality at all. its like the signed Chad Johnson just so he could be the star of Hard Knocks.
Does that include HBO On Demand as well? I watched part of the first episode then went back later and all that's available is some 2-3 minute previews.'belljr said:BAHHH - that's why I can't find itJust saw that NFL Films is preventing Hard Knocks from being on HBOGO. Dumb.
In the past the OnDemand wouldn't show up till almost the next episode.Does that include HBO On Demand as well? I watched part of the first episode then went back later and all that's available is some 2-3 minute previews.'belljr said:BAHHH - that's why I can't find itJust saw that NFL Films is preventing Hard Knocks from being on HBOGO. Dumb.
agreed. I had a good chuckle.Best moment of the night was rookie TE to girlfriend, "You look hot, as yoozsh."What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
what team has personality on the first few days of training camp?watched last night. what a boring ### team to follow. seriously, no personality at all. its like the signed Chad Johnson just so he could be the star of Hard Knocks.
It was pretty bad. I think he ended it with, "Okay, I guess that's it then", and then people politely clapped. If I'm giving a speech I want people to KNOW when it's done and burst out in a standing ovation and throw bouquets of flowers at me and say heil! heil! as they reach towards me with their outstretched hands with all their fingers pressed tightly together.Philbin - his 'rally the troops' speech on the eve of training camp seemed awfully generic.
I liked him last time he was on because he seemed natural. Now he seems like he is just playing to the cameras. I'd much rather follow the positional battles and get to know some of the lesser known guys and root for them to make the team. That's always the fun part of the show for me.I think it's ridiculous to be making dire predictions on the guy's ability to be a head coach based on a few conversation snippets in his first week of training camp. I will say that CJ's act is stale. We've seen it before on the same show. Boring. I chuckled at the "If she makes you pause call of duty, she's the ####### one", but for the most part he comes off like a 14 year old idiot. Grow up already.What were some other folks thoughts on Philbin?
Best moment of the night was rookie TE to girlfriend, "You look hot, as yoozsh."
Loved the opening too. So harsh. Guy was so excited to be there, tells lady in elevator how tough the month is going to be. Then, gone in a flash. Tough biz.
I agree with your agreement. Chad's act is as fresh as a Foghat concert.Dear Chad and HBO,I liked him last time he was on because he seemed natural. Now he seems like he is just playing to the cameras. I'd much rather follow the positional battles and get to know some of the lesser known guys and root for them to make the team. That's always the fun part of the show for me.I will say that CJ's act is stale. We've seen it before on the same show. Boring.
Miller gotta learn how to block or he'll get cut, no matter how good his hands are.i hope they show a glimpse of development of d. thomas and l. miller
Full retraction on that comment. What a Richard.Lots of hate in here for Chad's behavior, and I can understand why these opinions were formed. However, when you put him next to many of his peers at the position, he really is harmless. His only distraction is that he may try a little too hard to be funny, and is an attention hog. He brings only positivity to the environment though. He is not a detriment in any way to the team. In fact, I would say that if anything his personality is an asset. Lightens things up a little. I disagree that he was not listening to Philbin. I think he heard every word, and will take it to heart.
I think a lot of people are looking for reasons to hate here. Philbin came off fine to me. Loved the innovative practice techniques with 2 groups going back to back. Appreciated that he took the time to explain the depth chart to the QBs. I doubt most HC's would bother - they would just post them. I work for someone - I would prefer that they explain major decisions like that to me, even though they dont have to. He wanted to let everyone know that there was still a competition. Is that so terrible? And he "left on a high note", Costanza style. Don't get the hate here at all.
The conversation with Chad - He made clear what he thought of the press conference, and now he will see how Chad Handles it. Chad is 34 years old. He is a veteran, and an adult. Philbin treated him like one. Crucify him for that?
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefterRatings for HBO's Hard Knocks tonight will be sky high with footage of Joe Philbin meeting with and releasing Chad Johnson.
This better be AWESOME or I'll be pissed. BTW, I'm sure Chad asked that no cameras be allowed during the meeting.NFL Films @NFLFilms
Yes, our cameras were in the room as Chad Johnson was released from the team