Harrison rated #3 vs Wayne #10 (1 Viewer)

[Deuce'sWild]

Any explanation as to why Harrison is rated higher than Wayne? Wayne seems to be Peyton's go to guy right now.

 

[H.K.]

Any explanation as to why Harrison is rated higher than Wayne? Wayne seems to be Peyton's go to guy right now.

There is none. Wayne has more yards, more TD's, as well as leads the team in red zone targets and GL targets. Just ignore the ranking and go by reality.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Any explanation as to why Harrison is rated higher than Wayne? Wayne seems to be Peyton's go to guy right now.

The key word there is "Going Forward". Apparently FBG's think Harrison will out produce Reggie Wayne down the stretch. I have my doubts. But Harrison is too good and is going to blow up any week now. That's how he'll earn his #3 ranking.

 

[Da Guru]

Marvin is getting up there in years. Reggie is the young stud. I would flip flop them.

In fact I already did.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Any explanation as to why Harrison is rated higher than Wayne? Wayne seems to be Peyton's go to guy right now.

The key word there is "Going Forward". Apparently FBG's think Harrison will out produce Reggie Wayne down the stretch. I have my doubts. But Harrison is too good and is going to blow up any week now. That's how he'll earn his #3 ranking.

I understand that they "think" he'll outproduce Wayne, but there's no real logic to back it up. Being an Indy homer, I've seen every Colts game, and Manning is locking onto Wayne...especially when he needs a big play.Just can't see Marvin outproducing Reggie. I think Reggie may end up #3 overall WR by years end, and Marvin might not be in the top 15.

 

[Gamblor]

Whats the difference between the #3 and #10 WR going forward from here? 80 yards? One TD? Not enough difference to get worked up over the ranking.

 

[H.K.]

Any explanation as to why Harrison is rated higher than Wayne? Wayne seems to be Peyton's go to guy right now.

The key word there is "Going Forward". Apparently FBG's think Harrison will out produce Reggie Wayne down the stretch. I have my doubts. But Harrison is too good and is going to blow up any week now. That's how he'll earn his #3 ranking.

I understand that they "think" he'll outproduce Wayne, but there's no real logic to back it up. Being an Indy homer, I've seen every Colts game, and Manning is locking onto Wayne...especially when he needs a big play.Just can't see Marvin outproducing Reggie. I think Reggie may end up #3 overall WR by years end, and Marvin might not be in the top 15.

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

 

[Wingnut]

Its their opinion. Nobody knows who will finish where. Crystal balls dont work.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think you could definitely make a case for Marvin going forward. I believe he was slightly ahead of Wayne going into the Denver game, and they won't face another Champ Bailey in the regular season.

Marvin still gets open and still gets looks from Peyton. It's a matter of personal preference (does he have another #1 year left in him, or is it Wayne's turn to shine) so I don't think the rankings are out of line. Before last week I don't think people would complain too much, and I think last week was an anomoly. The Colts took advantage of the situation.

That being said, Wayne at #3 wouldn't be out of line, either. But I'm not shocked to see Marvin there.

 

[RIM]

what, Wayne has one good game and suddenly he's a better fantasy option than Harrison?

Personally, I'd rather have Harrison. One 33 point week does not cause me to anoit Wayne as the WR1 just yet in Manning's eyes.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

I think you could definitely make a case for Marvin going forward. I believe he was slightly ahead of Wayne going into the Denver game, and they won't face another Champ Bailey in the regular season. Marvin still gets open and still gets looks from Peyton. It's a matter of personal preference (does he have another #1 year left in him, or is it Wayne's turn to shine) so I don't think the rankings are out of line. Before last week I don't think people would complain too much, and I think last week was an anomoly. The Colts took advantage of the situation.That being said, Wayne at #3 wouldn't be out of line, either. But I'm not shocked to see Marvin there.

Exactly. Marvin was slightly ahead of Wayne going into last week. The Colts took advantage of the Broncos hard-headedness. I don't think many teams will defense the Colts like that again this year after seeing the result.

 

[Kirby]

I think you could definitely make a case for Marvin going forward. I believe he was slightly ahead of Wayne going into the Denver game, and they won't face another Champ Bailey in the regular season. Marvin still gets open and still gets looks from Peyton. It's a matter of personal preference (does he have another #1 year left in him, or is it Wayne's turn to shine) so I don't think the rankings are out of line. Before last week I don't think people would complain too much, and I think last week was an anomoly. The Colts took advantage of the situation.That being said, Wayne at #3 wouldn't be out of line, either. But I'm not shocked to see Marvin there.

Exactly. Marvin was slightly ahead of Wayne going into last week. The Colts took advantage of the Broncos hard-headedness. I don't think many teams will defense the Colts like that again this year after seeing the result.

Yup... Harrison has outscored Wayne every week execpt last.

 

[baronson]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

 

[H.K.]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

Watch him play. He does not get separation like he used to, any Colts homer will confer. Running good routes doesn't help much if you are not a threat to run by people, it allows defenders to cheat and take away the shorter stuff because they know they have the make-up speed.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wayne burned a CB lining up opposite of Champ Bailey...he didn't burn Champ Bailey for those 3 TDs did he? The Colts were behind at the half IIRC, and they were desperate inthe 2nd half. You are letting 1 half of football dictate your perception moving forward.

I own Wayne in several leagues but the reality is he is not the #1 in Indy. Harrison has more overall targets and will finish with more points in most of the games moving forward, and will finish the season ahead of Wayne. How many weeks will Wayne score 41? That was a career day? I remember when Jimmy Smith had like 3 or 4 TDs in 1 game but finished the season with 8 TDs total...

I expect better form the Shark Pool but you guys are off your rockers this week. It was 1 career game people, c'mon.

 

[LGOA]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

Watch him play. He does not get separation like he used to, any Colts homer will confer. Running good routes doesn't help much if you are not a threat to run by people, it allows defenders to cheat and take away the shorter stuff because they know they have the make-up speed.

As a Colts homer, I would not agree with your statement above. Marvin still gets separation, whether it's by route running, speed, whatever, he gets it. Ask the same DB's who answred the question "who's the toughest to cover?". 9 out of 10 said Marvin. Say what you want about him getting older, we all get older. But to say he can't separate is wrong. One game against Champ Bailey where Wayne had a bigger game doesn't mean he can no longer get open with proficiency.

 

[H.K.]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

Watch him play. He does not get separation like he used to, any Colts homer will confer. Running good routes doesn't help much if you are not a threat to run by people, it allows defenders to cheat and take away the shorter stuff because they know they have the make-up speed.

As a Colts homer, I would not agree with your statement above. Marvin still gets separation, whether it's by route running, speed, whatever, he gets it. Ask the same DB's who answred the question "who's the toughest to cover?". 9 out of 10 said Marvin. Say what you want about him getting older, we all get older. But to say he can't separate is wrong. One game against Champ Bailey where Wayne had a bigger game doesn't mean he can no longer get open with proficiency.

Do you have a link to the 9 out of 10 CB's surveyed? Alos, Harrison is on pace for his third lowest career YPC...and the number is dropping. He's slower, its OK to admit it.

 

[smcindoe]

Wayne burned a CB lining up opposite of Champ Bailey...he didn't burn Champ Bailey for those 3 TDs did he? The Colts were behind at the half IIRC, and they were desperate inthe 2nd half. You are letting 1 half of football dictate your perception moving forward.

Yep. And the fact that the Broncos put Bailey on Harrison (and kept him there all game) might tell you something too.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Wayne burned a CB lining up opposite of Champ Bailey...he didn't burn Champ Bailey for those 3 TDs did he? The Colts were behind at the half IIRC, and they were desperate inthe 2nd half. You are letting 1 half of football dictate your perception moving forward.

Yep. And the fact that the Broncos put Bailey on Harrison (and kept him there all game) might tell you something too.

I hope you are saying that if Bailey was rolled over to Wayne that Manning would have torn them up with Harrison instead of Wayne...that's what you are saying right?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

what, Wayne has one good game and suddenly he's a better fantasy option than Harrison?Personally, I'd rather have Harrison. One 33 point week does not cause me to anoit Wayne as the WR1 just yet in Manning's eyes.

Exactly. And his one huge game featured Champ Bailey on Harrison and a second year corner on him. Data, people, show us trend data!

 

[baronson]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

Watch him play. He does not get separation like he used to, any Colts homer will confer. Running good routes doesn't help much if you are not a threat to run by people, it allows defenders to cheat and take away the shorter stuff because they know they have the make-up speed.

As a Colts homer, I would not agree with your statement above. Marvin still gets separation, whether it's by route running, speed, whatever, he gets it. Ask the same DB's who answred the question "who's the toughest to cover?". 9 out of 10 said Marvin. Say what you want about him getting older, we all get older. But to say he can't separate is wrong. One game against Champ Bailey where Wayne had a bigger game doesn't mean he can no longer get open with proficiency.

Do you have a link to the 9 out of 10 CB's surveyed? Alos, Harrison is on pace for his third lowest career YPC...and the number is dropping. He's slower, its OK to admit it.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8797270and to whoever mentioned that Bailey covered Harrison ALL GAME, even though Wayne was torching them on the other side.... great point.

anyone who thinks Harrison isn't still the #1, has long-term memory loss.... drink some ginseng...

 

[H.K.]

anyone who thinks Harrison isn't still the #1, has long-term memory loss.... drink some ginseng...

I prefer beer...it's Friday, baby!

 

[Da Guru]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

Watch him play. He does not get separation like he used to, any Colts homer will confer. Running good routes doesn't help much if you are not a threat to run by people, it allows defenders to cheat and take away the shorter stuff because they know they have the make-up speed.

As a Colts homer, I would not agree with your statement above. Marvin still gets separation, whether it's by route running, speed, whatever, he gets it. Ask the same DB's who answred the question "who's the toughest to cover?". 9 out of 10 said Marvin. Say what you want about him getting older, we all get older. But to say he can't separate is wrong. One game against Champ Bailey where Wayne had a bigger game doesn't mean he can no longer get open with proficiency.

Do you have a link to the 9 out of 10 CB's surveyed? Alos, Harrison is on pace for his third lowest career YPC...and the number is dropping. He's slower, its OK to admit it.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8797270and to whoever mentioned that Bailey covered Harrison ALL GAME, even though Wayne was torching them on the other side.... great point.

anyone who thinks Harrison isn't still the #1, has long-term memory loss.... drink some ginseng...

My feeling is as of right now they are co-#1 WRs. Equals

 

[Gamblor]

Marvin is getting up there in years. Reggie is the young stud. I would flip flop them.In fact I already did.

My feeling is as of right now they are co-#1 WRs. Equals

 

[baronson]

anyone who thinks Harrison isn't still the #1, has long-term memory loss.... drink some ginseng...

I prefer beer...it's Friday, baby!

good man. i go straight for the hard stuff. but then, i'm single living in NYC, so every night's a friday .

 

[H.K.]

anyone who thinks Harrison isn't still the #1, has long-term memory loss.... drink some ginseng...

I prefer beer...it's Friday, baby!

good man. i go straight for the hard stuff. but then, i'm single living in NYC, so every night's a friday .

You ever hang out with otis?

 

[smcindoe]

I hope you are saying that if Bailey was rolled over to Wayne that Manning would have torn them up with Harrison instead of Wayne...that's what you are saying right?

Actually I'm saying that the Broncos obviously wanted no part of that scenario. They weren't letting Bailey get away from Harrison no matter how many TDs Wayne scored, and that should tell you something about which WR the Broncos are more afriad of.

 

[LGOA]

There you go. You answered your own question. Harrison has clearly lost a step, I am sure you've noticed that, too. I guess FBG's think he'll magically get faster the older he gets?

i have no idea where you've derived the opinion that Marvin has "clearly lost a step." not that it would matter much if he did... his strength has always been route running, not break-away speed (although he has a nice dose of that too).

Watch him play. He does not get separation like he used to, any Colts homer will confer. Running good routes doesn't help much if you are not a threat to run by people, it allows defenders to cheat and take away the shorter stuff because they know they have the make-up speed.

As a Colts homer, I would not agree with your statement above. Marvin still gets separation, whether it's by route running, speed, whatever, he gets it. Ask the same DB's who answred the question "who's the toughest to cover?". 9 out of 10 said Marvin. Say what you want about him getting older, we all get older. But to say he can't separate is wrong. One game against Champ Bailey where Wayne had a bigger game doesn't mean he can no longer get open with proficiency.

Do you have a link to the 9 out of 10 CB's surveyed? Alos, Harrison is on pace for his third lowest career YPC...and the number is dropping. He's slower, its OK to admit it.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8797270and to whoever mentioned that Bailey covered Harrison ALL GAME, even though Wayne was torching them on the other side.... great point.

anyone who thinks Harrison isn't still the #1, has long-term memory loss.... drink some ginseng...

thanks for the link, i knew i had seen it somewhere.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Just read in sports illustrated that we should bench Wayne this week, and this is coming from Wayne himself. He says that Peyton focused on Wayne last week because he hadn't seen many targets so far and that Peyton will focus on Harrison this week to keep him happy.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think you could definitely make a case for Marvin going forward. I believe he was slightly ahead of Wayne going into the Denver game,

Yup.He sure was.

And I, for one, believe he will start catching a lot of TDs from here on out to flirt with another double-digit TD season.

 

[H.K.]

Just read in sports illustrated that we should bench Wayne this week, and this is coming from Wayne himself. He says that Peyton focused on Wayne last week because he hadn't seen many targets so far and that Peyton will focus on Harrison this week to keep him happy.

Genius ploy to keep the defense focused on Harrison. Wayne is brilliant to try and dupe defenses into thinking Harrison is still the primary target. This just solidifies Wayne as the #1 guy.

 

[baronson]

Just read in sports illustrated that we should bench Wayne this week, and this is coming from Wayne himself. He says that Peyton focused on Wayne last week because he hadn't seen many targets so far and that Peyton will focus on Harrison this week to keep him happy.

Genius ploy to keep the defense focused on Harrison. Wayne is brilliant to try and dupe defenses into thinking Harrison is still the primary target. This just solidifies Wayne as the #1 guy.

i honestly think you say silly things like this solely for the purpose of sparking a debate. i'm wise to your game.

 

[H.K.]

i honestly think you say silly things like this solely for the purpose of sparking a debate. i'm wise to your game.

I have no game. Trust me, ask my wife.... :(

 

[pizzatyme]

I told you last week Wayne would blow up! It all depends on the defensive gameplan. Manning is comfortable with either Wr at this point.

I'd say the offensive gameplan is tilted 60/40 towards Harrison as the first read, just because he is on Peyton's right side. But, this has never stopped Manning going to his 2nd or 3rd read in the progression.

Last week was easy for Peyton. He had the #1 cover corner in the league on his primary target. He was torching Williams on the left. His primary read last week was Wayne.

This week, I expect it to be pretty balanced, with both WRs leading the way and the TEs and Addai getting their fair share.

Manning will spread the ball more this week, but expect Harrison to see his full share of Red Zone looks.

 

[radballs]

Just like many threads in the SP these days, people overreact to one game. Wayne is great, but it's still a shame.

 

[cracKer]

2004-2005

Weeks 1-9

Harrison: 142-92-1082-14 (192.2)

Wayne: 122-83-1164-9 (170.4)

Weeks 10-17

Harrison: 128-77-1167-13 (194.7)

Wayne: 113-77-1101-8 (158.1)

So, over the last two seasons...

Harrison's production increases 1.3% during the second half

Wayne's production decreases 7.2% during the second half

 

[Marc Levin]

2004-2005Weeks 1-9Harrison: 142-92-1082-14 (192.2)Wayne: 122-83-1164-9 (170.4)Weeks 10-17Harrison: 128-77-1167-13 (194.7)Wayne: 113-77-1101-8 (158.1)So, over the last two seasons...Harrison's production increases 1.3% during the second halfWayne's production decreases 7.2% during the second half

Let's see Manning's production:'05:167 - 241 - 1872 - 14 - 6 (147.6)138 - 212 - 1875 - 14 - 4 (146.2)'04:179 - 269- 2429 26 - 4 (225.2)157 - 228 - 2128 23 - 6 (192.4)I know Manning's drop has more to do with sitting the last game than anything else, but that just strengthens the case for Harrison (Harrison's went up without his starting QB for a game and a half in '05 and a game in '04).

 

[kutta]

Wayne burned a CB lining up opposite of Champ Bailey...he didn't burn Champ Bailey for those 3 TDs did he? The Colts were behind at the half IIRC, and they were desperate inthe 2nd half. You are letting 1 half of football dictate your perception moving forward.

Yep. And the fact that the Broncos put Bailey on Harrison (and kept him there all game) might tell you something too.

The Broncos didn't really "put" Champ on Harrison. Harrison always lines up on the right side, and so does Champ. That is the position these guys always play. The Broncos did not specifically assign Champ to cover Harrison.

 

[cracKer]

I hope you are saying that if Bailey was rolled over to Wayne that Manning would have torn them up with Harrison instead of Wayne...that's what you are saying right?

Actually I'm saying that the Broncos obviously wanted no part of that scenario. They weren't letting Bailey get away from Harrison no matter how many TDs Wayne scored, and that should tell you something about which WR the Broncos are more afriad of.

The "other" guy is Darrent Williams, a pretty good cornerback in his own right. He obviously had a bad day, but the Broncos have a lot of faith in his skills outside of just being a sidekick. Bailey has had his bad days too, it's inherent in the position. Over the last couple of years people around here were actually questioning his status, now he's the end all...again. When Manning is on there isn't much a CB can do, no matter who they are, especially with receivers the quality of Wayne and Harrison to matchup with.

 

[Marc Levin]

I hope you are saying that if Bailey was rolled over to Wayne that Manning would have torn them up with Harrison instead of Wayne...that's what you are saying right?

Actually I'm saying that the Broncos obviously wanted no part of that scenario. They weren't letting Bailey get away from Harrison no matter how many TDs Wayne scored, and that should tell you something about which WR the Broncos are more afriad of.

While I respect the opinion that Harrison was the WR that is more dangerous, Bailey did not cover Harrison b/c he was the more dangerous receiver.As several other alluded to, it doesn't matter which WR is lined up on the outside on the right of the O - that is the WR Champ will take.If the Broncos were playing Houston, and Andre Johnson lined up every play on the left side of the O, Champ would work on shutting down Moulds all game long.The reason for that is that the D can concentrate on rushing the QB while he tries to pass to the left - across his body for a right handed QB. Which also gives the DL a good idea how best to pass rush.

 

[Marc Levin]

Looks like complaining about Dodds' rankings finds another poster keerocking their way to a big day by Harrison.

 

[H.K.]

Just read in sports illustrated that we should bench Wayne this week, and this is coming from Wayne himself. He says that Peyton focused on Wayne last week because he hadn't seen many targets so far and that Peyton will focus on Harrison this week to keep him happy.

Genius ploy to keep the defense focused on Harrison. Wayne is brilliant to try and dupe defenses into thinking Harrison is still the primary target. This just solidifies Wayne as the #1 guy.

After a quick look at the play by play on NFL.com, here is what I saw:Harrison 12 targets (3 red zone)Wayne 16 targets (6 red zone)I'll wait for FBG to post the finals and I may have made mistakes because I did it quickly, but targets favored Wayne again this week.

 

[Marc Levin]

H.K. - why do you think more targets automatically means the #1 guy?

Targets are the only important WR function in which Wayne excelled against NE.

88 was 8 catches in 11 targets, 2 for TDs - he also has been much more efficient on the year in the red zone. 9 catches on 12 targets for 5 TDs versus Wayne, who has had 8 catches on 18 targets for 4 TDs.

And if targets are really all that important to you, it took a 15 target game for wayne to get to where he can still closely TRAIL Harrison in targets on the year.

I think you've drastically misread this situation - not sure why you keep bringing up targets as an example of you being right when all the important numbers stand in Harrison's corner.

 

[Marc Levin]

I will give you that Wayne is not #2 - he is 1b. He is def. NOT the #1 versus Harrison as #2.

 

[pizzatyme]

I know a little about the Colts. I know enough to say Marvin is still #1 in Peyton's eyes.

Wayne gets the benefit of having move zone coverage on his side.

#88 usually has the top DB and a safety playing over the top.

Manning to Harrison is like Montana to Rice or Young to Rice

Manning to Wayne is still to come.

 

[H.K.]

H.K. - why do you think more targets automatically means the #1 guy?Targets are the only important WR function in which Wayne excelled against NE.88 was 8 catches in 11 targets, 2 for TDs - he also has been much more efficient on the year in the red zone. 9 catches on 12 targets for 5 TDs versus Wayne, who has had 8 catches on 18 targets for 4 TDs.And if targets are really all that important to you, it took a 15 target game for wayne to get to where he can still closely TRAIL Harrison in targets on the year.I think you've drastically misread this situation - not sure why you keep bringing up targets as an example of you being right when all the important numbers stand in Harrison's corner.

So the #1 WR on a team gets fewer targets than the #2? Seems contradictory, doesn't it?Does Bruce have more targets than Holt? Does Keyshawn have more than SSmith?

 

[H.K.]

After a little more research:

- Wayne has had more passes thrown to him in every game since week three.

- Wayne has 18 red zone targets to Harrison's 13 on the season.

If Harrison is so clearly the #1 option, then why has Wayne received more targets for five straight weeks, and is the primary option in the red zone?

 

[cracKer]

After a little more research:

- Wayne has had more passes thrown to him in every game since week three.

- Wayne has 18 red zone targets to Harrison's 13 on the season.

If Harrison is so clearly the #1 option, then why has Wayne received more targets for five straight weeks, and is the primary option in the red zone?

The issue is not with what they've done in the seasons first eight games, but with what's expected of them going forward You obviously expect them to remain on a similar path with what's happened thus far while others do not.

 

[H.K.]

After a little more research:

- Wayne has had more passes thrown to him in every game since week three.

- Wayne has 18 red zone targets to Harrison's 13 on the season.

If Harrison is so clearly the #1 option, then why has Wayne received more targets for five straight weeks, and is the primary option in the red zone?

The issue is not with what they've done in the seasons first eight games, but with what's expected of them going forward You obviously expect them to remain on a similar path with what's happened thus far while others do not.

Correct, but early targets favored Harrison, now the trends all favor Wayne.

 

[s_ezy]

H.K. - why do you think more targets automatically means the #1 guy?Targets are the only important WR function in which Wayne excelled against NE.88 was 8 catches in 11 targets, 2 for TDs - he also has been much more efficient on the year in the red zone. 9 catches on 12 targets for 5 TDs versus Wayne, who has had 8 catches on 18 targets for 4 TDs.And if targets are really all that important to you, it took a 15 target game for wayne to get to where he can still closely TRAIL Harrison in targets on the year.I think you've drastically misread this situation - not sure why you keep bringing up targets as an example of you being right when all the important numbers stand in Harrison's corner.

So the #1 WR on a team gets fewer targets than the #2? Seems contradictory, doesn't it?Does Bruce have more targets than Holt? Does Keyshawn have more than SSmith?

Houshmandzadeh has out targeted Ocho Cinco in 3 of the last 4 games, and 4 of 6 games he has played in this year; so you are saying that now Houshmandzadeh is Cinn's #1?