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Does Wayne have more than Harrison?
Fine H.K. - targets = criteria.Wayne has had 76 targets on the yearHarrison has had 79 targets on the yearThe less targeted WR = the #2 guy. You stand on a poorly defensible position more often than I do - and that's my claim to fame. 
See, this is exactly why I despise the target stat, as well as the catch %...I think three of Wayne's RZ targets were actually just Manning chucking it out of the back of the endzone. Now you can say that it doesn't matter because Manning was still looking in Wayne's general direction, but I think on all but one of those (the fade that Wayne couldn't grab), he looked at Harrison first only to find him double covered.
I am no expert, but I think the target numbers may be a bit misleading. I seem to remember a few wayne targets where he was the second or third read and Manning chucked the ball out of bounds in his general direction. Sure, that counts as a target, but it is not a realistic opportunity for Wayne to improve his stats.
Nope. Harrison is #1, and that will not change until he retires. He runs routes in seams that Wayne cannot. Marvin is unstoppable in the red zone. Reggie is very good, but still relies on mostly deeper post passes. When Marvin draws a true stop CB like Bailey, then Peyton is smart enough to look for easier pickin's. End of story.
Hate to nit-pick on Wayne, but he usually makes that catch in the back of the end zone (he made the same grab at denver last week). Bet he wishes he had it back.
But he didn't - Harrison did. Harrison is more efficient all over the field, including the red zone.
Agreed.But, H.K. will still try to convince you that Wayne is the clear #1 b/c he had more targets the last four weeks.Even under HIS argument, he's got an indefensible position. He asked what kind of #1 has fewer targets? Well, Harrison has more targets this year than Wayne, even WITH Wayne getting more targets the last four weeks.He says going forward - well, fine - going forward, Harrision has been more efficient and has had more targets - Harrison is the #1.The most reasonable position is that Wayne = 1b, and the longshot/stretch position is that Wayne = 1a and Harrison = 1b.Not that Wayne = #1 and Harrison = #2 <--- that argument = "go sit in the corner and quietly study until class is dismissed"
Here's an intersting read from Joe Bryant on the upgrade/downgrade e-mail:But he didn't - Harrison did. Harrison is more efficient all over the field, including the red zone.Agreed.But, H.K. will still try to convince you that Wayne is the clear #1 b/c he had more targets the last four weeks.
Even under HIS argument, he's got an indefensible position. He asked what kind of #1 has fewer targets? Well, Harrison has more targets this year than Wayne, even WITH Wayne getting more targets the last four weeks.
He says going forward - well, fine - going forward, Harrision has been more efficient and has had more targets - Harrison is the #1.
The most reasonable position is that Wayne = 1b, and the longshot/stretch position is that Wayne = 1a and Harrison = 1b.
Not that Wayne = #1 and Harrison = #2 <--- that argument = "go sit in the corner and quietly study until class is dismissed"
Harrison supporters have been o\/\/ned!
Here's an intersting read from Joe Bryant on the upgrade/downgrade e-mail:
Harrison supporters have been o\/\/ned!
The difference between me and anyone else, is my ability to recognize what people see as impossible well before it happens.
Here's an intersting read from Joe Bryant on the upgrade/downgrade e-mail:But he didn't - Harrison did. Harrison is more efficient all over the field, including the red zone.Agreed.But, H.K. will still try to convince you that Wayne is the clear #1 b/c he had more targets the last four weeks.
Even under HIS argument, he's got an indefensible position. He asked what kind of #1 has fewer targets? Well, Harrison has more targets this year than Wayne, even WITH Wayne getting more targets the last four weeks.
He says going forward - well, fine - going forward, Harrision has been more efficient and has had more targets - Harrison is the #1.
The most reasonable position is that Wayne = 1b, and the longshot/stretch position is that Wayne = 1a and Harrison = 1b.
Not that Wayne = #1 and Harrison = #2 <--- that argument = "go sit in the corner and quietly study until class is dismissed"Harrison supporters have been o\/\/ned!
The difference between me and anyone else, is my ability to recognize what people see as impossible well before it happens.
In my opinion there has been no passing of the torch yet. They'll keep interchanging weeks when they'll be productive. That being said I would love it if Wayne really does become the sole #1 and I like the trend going forward.
#3 is reserved foir consistent players. You can't have 8 yard games and be a #3 WR.
Tell that to Chad JohnsonOr does the extra 3 yards he got in week 3 make that much of a difference?
I noticed that too...
He was only thrown to twice, wasn't he?
I think Harrison's such an experienced veteran that he understood that he wasn't in the gameplan this week-- no receivers were. It was a running the ball, burn the clock plan. Wayne would have been quiet if not for that spectacular catch (an end-of-year highlight imo) so I don't think Harrison did anything wrong. I start both every week (took a hit at RB to do it, but that was my strategerie) so I'm not really biased. I think that when the game is on the line, Manning and Harrison are dialed in. The Colts adapt well to the other team (in the regular season, anyway). If they're going to let the Colts run the ball...Manning doesn't feel the need to get great stats. If Champ Bailey is going to shut down one guy (or one side of the field), they'll exploit the other. If another team chooses to double both receivers and they have an excellent run D...you can bet whatever healthy tight end they have on the field will get unbelievable stats for one week. I wouldn't get too down on Harrison with two AFC teams just a game behind the Colts.
Yes - go sit in the corner with LHUCKS - you all will love each other's company.
Harrison is not #3 and Wayne is not #10 on the current 250 going forward, so these comments are outdated.cr8f said:
He's been unhappy before and when Peyton threw him a bunch of passes snapped out of it.They should use him more imo.
This is indeed disturbing news. Seems very unlike the charecter we have known Marvin Harrison to be thus far in his career.
Peyton Manning to Moss? Please gawd make this happen!!
I do think there were several people who believed Reggie Wayne would become WR1 for the Colts this year during the preseason.
This has no chance of happening. There is no way Moss would put in the time that manning Expects from his WR. Manning would want no part of that bum.This is indeed disturbing news. Seems very unlike the charecter we have known Marvin Harrison to be thus far in his career.Peyton Manning to Moss? Please gawd make this happen!!
OK, you got it.
beat me to it.
