Harrison Slightly Underrated (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

YEAR:Final rank @ WR positoin

1999 1

2000 2

2001 1

2002 1

2003 5

2004 5

2005 9

2006 1

Top 10 for 8 years in a row, and Top 5 7 out of 8.

Ranked WR #7 by footballguys in redraft and his ADP has him at WR #6

WHERE IS THE LOVE??? Is it because he is not as big as TO?

 

[JayMan]

YEAR:Final rank @ WR positoin1999 1 2000 2 2001 1 2002 1 2003 5 2004 5 2005 9 2006 1 Top 10 for 8 years in a row, and Top 5 7 out of 8. Ranked WR #7 by footballguys in redraft and his ADP has him at WR #6WHERE IS THE LOVE??? Is it because he is not as big as TO?

(offshoot from the Holt thread)... same year-in, year-out consistency that makes Marvin the one of the top 2-3 choices... virtualy no risk, lots of upside

 

[Hobbes]

I have had both Holt and Harrison in my dynasty league for a long time now and you will not hear me complain one bit about either one of them...

 

[duaneok66]

NO ONE is a bigger Harrison fan than me, BUT there is some risk, HE HAS to start sliding sometime . . .

that being said, anyone should feel relatively comfortable picking him in the top 5 . . .

 

[SSOG]

Harrison's definitely underrated in redraft, although I think he's a little bit overrated in dynasty.

 

[LBH]

As a Reggie Wayne owner I can tell you I watched Wayne get tackled inside the 5 yard line more than a few times. I think it was real close to Harrison being the #2. I also own Harrison in another league, and I do agree hes a little underrated because of his age and because many people know he could be 2nd to Wayne as early as this year

 

[TheLastDispatch]

he went to high school with my cousin, who's now a teacher there. great guy and great WR. he actually invited all the teachers form his high school out to one of his playoff games a few years ago.. offered to pay for flights and everything.

he might not get as much love just because he's not the kinda guy that's always in the public eye, like owens and CJ.

 

[stevegamer]

Harrison has been due to be replaced by Wayne for the last 3 years or so.

It's not important which one is the #1 vs #2 on Indy, if they are both quality players where you get them.

I know some people in my league let Marvin slide last year, I was a spot or 2 away from having him as my #2 WR. If he slips again like that, I'll be very happy.

 

[Tau837]

YEAR:Final rank @ WR positoin1999 1 2000 2 2001 1 2002 1 2003 5 2004 5 2005 9 2006 1 Top 10 for 8 years in a row, and Top 5 7 out of 8. Ranked WR #7 by footballguys in redraft and his ADP has him at WR #6WHERE IS THE LOVE??? Is it because he is not as big as TO?

Well, he has clearly taken a step back in the past few years. Of the 8 years you cited above, look at the numbers:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+				 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1999 ind |  16 |	 1	  4	4.0	0 |   115   1663  14.5   12 || 2000 ind |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |   102   1413  13.9   14 || 2001 ind |  16 |	 1	  3	3.0	0 |   109   1524  14.0   15 || 2002 ind |  16 |	 2	 10	5.0	0 |   143   1722  12.0   11 || 2003 ind |  15 |	 1	  3	3.0	0 |	94   1272  13.5   10 || 2004 ind |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	86   1113  12.9   15 || 2005 ind |  15 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	82   1146  14.0   12 || 2006 ind |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	95   1366  14.4   12 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

 

[JayMan]

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

All good points... so, this year, given the chance in noPPR redraft leagues you will pick Johnson, Smith, Holt, Wayne, Fitzgerald and Owens prior to taking Harrison because you think they offer less risk and have at least an equal if not higher ceiling, right?... just asking, looking for opinions...

 

[Bri]

There was an effort to old Rice's game that was just graceful when he was younger. I think Harrison has something similar going on and I mean that with world's of respect for that player.

 

[jurb26]

This is really weird. I feel like I just flashed back in time. Yes, Holt is overrated and Harrison is underrated.

 

[salmonstud]

As a Reggie Wayne owner I can tell you I watched Wayne get tackled inside the 5 yard line more than a few times. I think it was real close to Harrison being the #2. I also own Harrison in another league, and I do agree hes a little underrated because of his age and because many people know he could be 2nd to Wayne as early as this year

Footballguys agree with you....Wayne currently #6 in non PPR over Harrison at #7.I've been waiting for Wayne to overtake Harrison for the last few years....but Harrison just keeps on cooking. It would be a coin flip for me who to take at the bottom of the 2nd/early 3rd in a start 3 WR league between Harrison & Wayne. I hate to bet against Harrison again.

 

[Packers4ever]

So would anyone draft both of them on one team.

 

[SSOG]

So would anyone draft both of them on one team.

If both were the highest-rated player on my board when I was picking, I wouldn't think twice about it.

 

[Miz4]

So would anyone draft both of them on one team.

If both were the highest-rated player on my board when I was picking, I wouldn't think twice about it.

I will actually plan on doing this if things work out. I'll get the Wayne/Harrison combo in a start 3 wr league. I seems like if you get consistant WR scoring in our league it leads you to the super bowl. It goes against my usual strategy, but I think the RB position has a lot of depth after the first 3 or so and the QB position is wide open. We play start 2 QB, 2RB and 3WR and you need consistant WR production.

 

[Family Matters]

YEAR:Final rank @ WR positoin1999 1 2000 2 2001 1 2002 1 2003 5 2004 5 2005 9 2006 1 Top 10 for 8 years in a row, and Top 5 7 out of 8. Ranked WR #7 by footballguys in redraft and his ADP has him at WR #6WHERE IS THE LOVE??? Is it because he is not as big as TO?

Well, he has clearly taken a step back in the past few years. Of the 8 years you cited above, look at the numbers:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+				 |		  Rushing		 |		Receiving		|+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year  TM |   G |   Att  Yards	Y/A   TD |   Rec  Yards   Y/R   TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1999 ind |  16 |	 1	  4	4.0	0 |   115   1663  14.5   12 || 2000 ind |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |   102   1413  13.9   14 || 2001 ind |  16 |	 1	  3	3.0	0 |   109   1524  14.0   15 || 2002 ind |  16 |	 2	 10	5.0	0 |   143   1722  12.0   11 || 2003 ind |  15 |	 1	  3	3.0	0 |	94   1272  13.5   10 || 2004 ind |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	86   1113  12.9   15 || 2005 ind |  15 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	82   1146  14.0   12 || 2006 ind |  16 |	 0	  0	0.0	0 |	95   1366  14.4   12 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

I really don't see any undervalued play here. Get him anywhere from 4 through 6 and be happy. Anything after that and maybe you can talk about value.

 

[JayMan]

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.

The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

I really don't see any undervalued play here. Get him anywhere from 4 through 6 and be happy. Anything after that and maybe you can talk about value.

The fact of the matter that he's ranked WR7 and you would pick him at WR4 (for example) and be happy doesn't means he's underrated?... just asking, looking for opinions...

 

[Family Matters]

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.

The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

I really don't see any undervalued play here. Get him anywhere from 4 through 6 and be happy. Anything after that and maybe you can talk about value.

The fact of the matter that he's ranked WR7 and you would pick him at WR4 (for example) and be happy doesn't means he's underrated?... just asking, looking for opinions...

If you call a difference of a few spots underrated then yes. I just don't see it as more than splitting hairs. In my rankings, the difference between WR1 and WR7 is less than 20 points or 1.25 per game. Just not enough to argue over.

 

[Tau837]

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

All good points... so, this year, given the chance in noPPR redraft leagues you will pick Johnson, Smith, Holt, Wayne, Fitzgerald and Owens prior to taking Harrison because you think they offer less risk and have at least an equal if not higher ceiling, right?... just asking, looking for opinions...

I rank Smith, Johnson, Holt, and Wayne ahead of him. I don't particularly like Owens, so I probably would rank Harrison over him for that reason alone. And I'm not as high on Fitzgerald as some others here... so I'd rank Harrison over him. But like FM said, we're splitting hairs here.As for who I would draft, it depends on where my pick is and what my strategy is given that pick... which will determine if I plan to take my first WR in the second, third, or fourth.

 

[JayMan]

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

All good points... so, this year, given the chance in noPPR redraft leagues you will pick Johnson, Smith, Holt, Wayne, Fitzgerald and Owens prior to taking Harrison because you think they offer less risk and have at least an equal if not higher ceiling, right?... just asking, looking for opinions...

I rank Smith, Johnson, Holt, and Wayne ahead of him. I don't particularly like Owens, so I probably would rank Harrison over him for that reason alone. And I'm not as high on Fitzgerald as some others here... so I'd rank Harrison over him. But like FM said, we're splitting hairs here.As for who I would draft, it depends on where my pick is and what my strategy is given that pick... which will determine if I plan to take my first WR in the second, third, or fourth.

Understood... so, if we're splitting hairs here (less than 2ppg difference) for the top8 or so WRs... we can't say that any of them is overrated and/or underrated and we can't hold it against anyone to pick any of them as WR1 overall... no one would say someone else is a fool if they think any of these 7-8 guys could end as WR1 in '07, right?Interesting thoughts for tierings and going in drafts - if the projected VBD of WR1 over WR8 is only 20Fpts, while it is certainly bigger at the RB/TE positions - no need to pick a WR early then...

 

[Family Matters]

TDs are very close, but catches and yards have obviously dropped. I think you obviously have to look more at the past 4 years than the 4 years prior, for multiple reasons, like Wayne's emergence. And while Harrison was great last year, he will be 35 when the season starts. Within the next few years, I expect another dropoff to a lower tier... will it be this year? It could be.

The past 4 seasons, his average finish was WR5. And his ADP is WR6 and FBG rank is WR7. Maybe I'm just somehow missing the injustice of it all...?

All good points... so, this year, given the chance in noPPR redraft leagues you will pick Johnson, Smith, Holt, Wayne, Fitzgerald and Owens prior to taking Harrison because you think they offer less risk and have at least an equal if not higher ceiling, right?... just asking, looking for opinions...

I rank Smith, Johnson, Holt, and Wayne ahead of him. I don't particularly like Owens, so I probably would rank Harrison over him for that reason alone. And I'm not as high on Fitzgerald as some others here... so I'd rank Harrison over him. But like FM said, we're splitting hairs here.As for who I would draft, it depends on where my pick is and what my strategy is given that pick... which will determine if I plan to take my first WR in the second, third, or fourth.

Understood... so, if we're splitting hairs here (less than 2ppg difference) for the top8 or so WRs... we can't say that any of them is overrated and/or underrated and we can't hold it against anyone to pick any of them as WR1 overall... no one would say someone else is a fool if they think any of these 7-8 guys could end as WR1 in '07, right?Interesting thoughts for tierings and going in drafts - if the projected VBD of WR1 over WR8 is only 20Fpts, while it is certainly bigger at the RB/TE positions - no need to pick a WR early then...

Is that what you're worried about then? Just draft the guy(s) you think are going to lead you to a championship and worry what others think. Besides, you can't always draft to the ADP. If you are on the turn for example, do you not your guy at 2.12/3.01 because his ADP is 3.08? I would take him and not look back if that's the player I wanted.