Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Book 7 (1 Viewer)

[Peak]

Why not? Why couldn't there be wizards graveyard, or a plaque dedicated to the late Harry Potter in Hogsmeade? They could even have a statue to tribute him. Just because there's a park doesn't mean he's alive.

You know their gonna have to have a "Harry" walking around the park. The kids will go just to meet Harry, much like kids used to go to Disney World with the goal of meeting Mickey.If Harry's dead, there goes the #1 draw of the theme park. Unless he dies in the book and they have him at the themepark anyways, and then he'd confuse and scare the children.My money is on him living.I'll make any avatar bets / sig bets with any takers.

I agree that Harry will live, but it says right in the article that they will not have lookalikes at the park.

This is why I think it is not 100% accurate that Harry will live. Why put up the notice in the early stages of park development stating that no look-alikes will be roaming the park? If you want to keep people guessing, you would leave this point out. If he were to live, you would think this would be a major selling point as HULK mentioned above.

 

[PIK95]

Why not? Why couldn't there be wizards graveyard, or a plaque dedicated to the late Harry Potter in Hogsmeade? They could even have a statue to tribute him. Just because there's a park doesn't mean he's alive.

You know their gonna have to have a "Harry" walking around the park. The kids will go just to meet Harry, much like kids used to go to Disney World with the goal of meeting Mickey.If Harry's dead, there goes the #1 draw of the theme park. Unless he dies in the book and they have him at the themepark anyways, and then he'd confuse and scare the children.My money is on him living.I'll make any avatar bets / sig bets with any takers.

I agree that Harry will live, but it says right in the article that they will not have lookalikes at the park.

This is why I think it is not 100% accurate that Harry will live. Why put up the notice in the early stages of park development stating that no look-alikes will be roaming the park? If you want to keep people guessing, you would leave this point out. If he were to live, you would think this would be a major selling point as HULK mentioned above.

 

[Sack-Religious]

The cover of the kids version of the British book shows Harry, Ron and Hermione seemingly being sucked into an arch. I think that they somehow go into the Arch and bring Sirius back. But that's just my theory...

UK Kids Good catch and not a bad theory. To me, I can't see the arch on the cover being in the "Death Chamber," though. There are no tattered curtains and the scene is too "bright." Also the jewels, gold etc. appear to be more in line with a Gringott's vault. But again, the brightness of the scene would indicate otherwise. then again the orange/red glow could be caused by fire. IIRC, in HBP, the arch is described as being dark/black behind the curtain. Also, if Harry, Ron and Hermione do attempt to go into the arch to bring Sirius back, it wouldn't make sense for them to be sucked into it. IMO, if there's going to be communication with Sirius it'll probably be with the mirror Sirius gave Harry in OoTP.I know it was discussed previously in the thread, but what really interests me about the cover is that Ron is apparently holding the Sword of Gryffindor.

 

[TheFanatic]

The cover of the kids version of the British book shows Harry, Ron and Hermione seemingly being sucked into an arch. I think that they somehow go into the Arch and bring Sirius back. But that's just my theory...

UK Kids Good catch and not a bad theory. To me, I can't see the arch on the cover being in the "Death Chamber," though. There are no tattered curtains and the scene is too "bright." Also the jewels, gold etc. appear to be more in line with a Gringott's vault. But again, the brightness of the scene would indicate otherwise. then again the orange/red glow could be caused by fire. IIRC, in HBP, the arch is described as being dark/black behind the curtain. Also, if Harry, Ron and Hermione do attempt to go into the arch to bring Sirius back, it wouldn't make sense for them to be sucked into it. IMO, if there's going to be communication with Sirius it'll probably be with the mirror Sirius gave Harry in OoTP.

I know it was discussed previously in the thread, but what really interests me about the cover is that Ron is apparently holding the Sword of Gryffindor.

Actually you are partly correct here. It does indeed seem to be the sword of Gryffindor, but I would argue that it is not Ron's hand. I would be willing to bet that it is Dobby's hand....

 

[Sack-Religious]

Here I am looking for clues in the gold and jewels and I miss Dobby's hand holding the sword, his other hand on Harry's shoulder and even part of his ear and head behind Harry's shoulder, as well. I suppose it could be another house elf, but I agree that it's more than likely Dobby.

Thanks for pointing that out. double

 

[Mr.Happy]

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Mega Theory

This is one of the most rock solid theories I have read to date.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

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This is one of the most rock solid theories I have read to date.

Interesting idea, but it seems unlikely. The much simpler explanation for Snape being good and still killing Dumbledore is that he swore the oath out of necessity, to avoid showing his allegiance, and he and Dumbledore agreed that Snape would have to kill him in order to save Draco. I'm 99% sure the unexplained argument between Snape and Dumbledore in HBP was about this.

 

[Joseph]

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This is one of the most rock solid theories I have read to date.

Interesting idea, but it seems unlikely. The much simpler explanation for Snape being good and still killing Dumbledore is that he swore the oath out of necessity, to avoid showing his allegiance, and he and Dumbledore agreed that Snape would have to kill him in order to save Draco. I'm 99% sure the unexplained argument between Snape and Dumbledore in HBP was about this.

The difficulty with a lot of these theories is how does Rowling explain what happened without adding countless pages of flashback? Without over complicating the story with that theory, there's already a bunch of stuff outside of the main action of book 7 that will need to be explained. I guess it remains to be seen, but I'd be surprised if that theory turns out to be the case.

 

[snorlax]

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This is one of the most rock solid theories I have read to date.

I just finished reading that whole thing, and I agree that it's pretty good.

 

[thayman]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Nagini being a Horcrux. I agree that it could be a possibility, but I'm not sure if live objects can be a Horcrux and I'm not sure what significant death/killing would have resulted in Voldemort making Nagini a horcrux. Especially since Nagini came into Voldemort's services in what appears to have been a much later timeframe than the original Horcruxes were created.

Plus, why would you place a part of your soul in something that is mortal? Take soul, cut out six parts, place in inanimate objects, hide objects and weave protections against them being discovered or touched.A living host is too unpredictable.

This was addressed in HBP. It's DD thinks that the snake is a Horcux, Voldemort's unnatural ability to control the snake more so than a normal parseltounge, adds to this.

 

[KarmaPolice]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Nagini being a Horcrux. I agree that it could be a possibility, but I'm not sure if live objects can be a Horcrux and I'm not sure what significant death/killing would have resulted in Voldemort making Nagini a horcrux. Especially since Nagini came into Voldemort's services in what appears to have been a much later timeframe than the original Horcruxes were created.

Plus, why would you place a part of your soul in something that is mortal? Take soul, cut out six parts, place in inanimate objects, hide objects and weave protections against them being discovered or touched.A living host is too unpredictable.

This was addressed in HBP. It's DD thinks that the snake is a Horcux, Voldemort's unnatural ability to control the snake more so than a normal parseltounge, adds to this.

wasn't the theory that he was going to create the last one with harry's death? he might've had to use a living thing out of desperation at that point after the AK curse backfired on harry.

 

[TheFanatic]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Nagini being a Horcrux. I agree that it could be a possibility, but I'm not sure if live objects can be a Horcrux and I'm not sure what significant death/killing would have resulted in Voldemort making Nagini a horcrux. Especially since Nagini came into Voldemort's services in what appears to have been a much later timeframe than the original Horcruxes were created.

Plus, why would you place a part of your soul in something that is mortal? Take soul, cut out six parts, place in inanimate objects, hide objects and weave protections against them being discovered or touched.A living host is too unpredictable.

This was addressed in HBP. It's DD thinks that the snake is a Horcux, Voldemort's unnatural ability to control the snake more so than a normal parseltounge, adds to this.

wasn't the theory that he was going to create the last one with harry's death? he might've had to use a living thing out of desperation at that point after the AK curse backfired on harry.

That doesn't make much sense as LV didn't kill harry and thus he couldn't use that to shatter his soul. Also, he was in no shape to do so, was he?

 

[KarmaPolice]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Nagini being a Horcrux. I agree that it could be a possibility, but I'm not sure if live objects can be a Horcrux and I'm not sure what significant death/killing would have resulted in Voldemort making Nagini a horcrux. Especially since Nagini came into Voldemort's services in what appears to have been a much later timeframe than the original Horcruxes were created.

Plus, why would you place a part of your soul in something that is mortal? Take soul, cut out six parts, place in inanimate objects, hide objects and weave protections against them being discovered or touched.A living host is too unpredictable.

This was addressed in HBP. It's DD thinks that the snake is a Horcux, Voldemort's unnatural ability to control the snake more so than a normal parseltounge, adds to this.

wasn't the theory that he was going to create the last one with harry's death? he might've had to use a living thing out of desperation at that point after the AK curse backfired on harry.

That doesn't make much sense as LV didn't kill harry and thus he couldn't use that to shatter his soul. Also, he was in no shape to do so, was he?

he couldn't use that, but that maybe was his intent when he went to harry's to kill him. since 7 is such an important # to him, he would want that # of horcruxes. i was under the assumption that he wouldn't made the snake one after the fact, but maybe he had nagini as a sidekick in his prime as well??

 

[saintsfan]

So, what is the consensus on Snape?

I have a difficult time believing that Dumbledore could have been THAT wrong about Snape. It would totally diminish Dumbledore's character if he were that wrong. It makes him look like an old fool. I have a hard time buying that. Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore for a reason. Dumbledore is the only one that's seen through Tom Riddle's line of BS since the beginning.

I know about the clues that have been given about Dumbledore not making alot of mistakes, but when he makes one, it's huge. I also remember that Rowling went to great lengths to point out Dumbledore's aging throughout the book series, but this seems like too big a mistake for Dumbledore to have made.

 

[TheFanatic]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on Nagini being a Horcrux. I agree that it could be a possibility, but I'm not sure if live objects can be a Horcrux and I'm not sure what significant death/killing would have resulted in Voldemort making Nagini a horcrux. Especially since Nagini came into Voldemort's services in what appears to have been a much later timeframe than the original Horcruxes were created.

Plus, why would you place a part of your soul in something that is mortal? Take soul, cut out six parts, place in inanimate objects, hide objects and weave protections against them being discovered or touched.A living host is too unpredictable.

This was addressed in HBP. It's DD thinks that the snake is a Horcux, Voldemort's unnatural ability to control the snake more so than a normal parseltounge, adds to this.

wasn't the theory that he was going to create the last one with harry's death? he might've had to use a living thing out of desperation at that point after the AK curse backfired on harry.

That doesn't make much sense as LV didn't kill harry and thus he couldn't use that to shatter his soul. Also, he was in no shape to do so, was he?

he couldn't use that, but that maybe was his intent when he went to harry's to kill him. since 7 is such an important # to him, he would want that # of horcruxes. i was under the assumption that he wouldn't made the snake one after the fact, but maybe he had nagini as a sidekick in his prime as well??

No, he says to Prof Slughorn that having your soul in 7 pieces would make it the most powerful. He doesn't say anything about 7 horcruxes. That would be 1 piece in himself and 6 others in horcruxes....

 

[KarmaPolice]

So, what is the consensus on Snape?I have a difficult time believing that Dumbledore could have been THAT wrong about Snape. It would totally diminish Dumbledore's character if he were that wrong. It makes him look like an old fool. I have a hard time buying that. Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore for a reason. Dumbledore is the only one that's seen through Tom Riddle's line of BS since the beginning.I know about the clues that have been given about Dumbledore not making alot of mistakes, but when he makes one, it's huge. I also remember that Rowling went to great lengths to point out Dumbledore's aging throughout the book series, but this seems like too big a mistake for Dumbledore to have made.

This is one of the main reasons I think that Snape is on the good side. DD's been wrong before about things like when to tell Harry about the prophecy, not telling harry why he was keeping him at a distance in book 5, etc.. but for him to be wrong about Snape would be too huge of a mistake, IMO.

 

[saintsfan]

So, what is the consensus on Snape?I have a difficult time believing that Dumbledore could have been THAT wrong about Snape. It would totally diminish Dumbledore's character if he were that wrong. It makes him look like an old fool. I have a hard time buying that. Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore for a reason. Dumbledore is the only one that's seen through Tom Riddle's line of BS since the beginning.I know about the clues that have been given about Dumbledore not making alot of mistakes, but when he makes one, it's huge. I also remember that Rowling went to great lengths to point out Dumbledore's aging throughout the book series, but this seems like too big a mistake for Dumbledore to have made.

This is one of the main reasons I think that Snape is on the good side. DD's been wrong before about things like when to tell Harry about the prophecy, not telling harry why he was keeping him at a distance in book 5, etc.. but for him to be wrong about Snape would be too huge of a mistake, IMO.

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?The thing is, the HBP, more than any other book, shows you why Voldemort fears Dumbledore. Dumbledore is no fool. Everyone was taken in by Tom Riddle, but Dumbledore saw right through him. So, Voldemort, the greatest Dark Wizard of all time can't fool Dumbledore, but Snape can? It doesn't make any sense. Also, the exchange at the end between Dumbledore and Snape makes no sense. If Snape really doublecrossed Dumbledore, it would sound almost like Dumbledore was begging for his life. Simply put, Dumbledore wouldn't beg for his life. Dumbledore did not fear death. That was pointed out continuously. Also, if Dumbledore didn't know exactly what was about to happen, why would he freeze Harry like that?Dumbledore acted like he knew precisely what was about to happen the entire time. My feeling is that he acted that way because he DID know what was about to happen and he let it happen.

 

[TheFanatic]

So, what is the consensus on Snape?

I have a difficult time believing that Dumbledore could have been THAT wrong about Snape. It would totally diminish Dumbledore's character if he were that wrong. It makes him look like an old fool. I have a hard time buying that. Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore for a reason. Dumbledore is the only one that's seen through Tom Riddle's line of BS since the beginning.

I know about the clues that have been given about Dumbledore not making alot of mistakes, but when he makes one, it's huge. I also remember that Rowling went to great lengths to point out Dumbledore's aging throughout the book series, but this seems like too big a mistake for Dumbledore to have made.

This is one of the main reasons I think that Snape is on the good side. DD's been wrong before about things like when to tell Harry about the prophecy, not telling harry why he was keeping him at a distance in book 5, etc.. but for him to be wrong about Snape would be too huge of a mistake, IMO.

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?The thing is, the HBP, more than any other book, shows you why Voldemort fears Dumbledore. Dumbledore is no fool. Everyone was taken in by Tom Riddle, but Dumbledore saw right through him. So, Voldemort, the greatest Dark Wizard of all time can't fool Dumbledore, but Snape can? It doesn't make any sense. Also, the exchange at the end between Dumbledore and Snape makes no sense. If Snape really doublecrossed Dumbledore, it would sound almost like Dumbledore was begging for his life. Simply put, Dumbledore wouldn't beg for his life. Dumbledore did not fear death. That was pointed out continuously. Also, if Dumbledore didn't know exactly what was about to happen, why would he freeze Harry like that?

Dumbledore acted like he knew precisely what was about to happen the entire time. My feeling is that he acted that way because he DID know what was about to happen and he let it happen.

I just reread the entire series and I have to say that this is false. There is a line about how Dumbledore looking surprised by Snape and something in his voice (may have even been fear) that wasn't as confident as he was when he was talking to Malfoy and the rest of the Death Eaters before Snape showed up....I have a theory here as to why Dumbledore didn't just collapse dead. Belletrix said to Harry when he tried to do the Crusciatus Curse that he couldn't do it right because he had to mean it. Snape could've said the curse for AK but not meant it and thus just pushed DD off the rampart....Just a thought that occurred to me while typing the above paragraph....

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I just reread the entire series and I have to say that this is false. There is a line about how Dumbledore looking surprised by Snape and something in his voice (may have even been fear) that wasn't as confident as he was when he was talking to Malfoy and the rest of the Death Eaters before Snape showed up....

I have a theory here as to why Dumbledore didn't just collapse dead. Belletrix said to Harry when he tried to do the Crusciatus Curse that he couldn't do it right because he had to mean it. Snape could've said the curse for AK but not meant it and thus just pushed DD off the rampart....Just a thought that occurred to me while typing the above paragraph....

I believe, and this is from memory so please excuse if I get it wrong, that Dumbledore's voice is described as pleading. I think he is also saying, Please... Severus. As I posted above I think that Dumbledore has asked Snape to kill him, which is the only way to save Draco (who will be killed by Voldemort if he does not accomplish his task) and Snape himself from the Unbreakable Vow.

 

[saintsfan]

So, what is the consensus on Snape?

I have a difficult time believing that Dumbledore could have been THAT wrong about Snape. It would totally diminish Dumbledore's character if he were that wrong. It makes him look like an old fool. I have a hard time buying that. Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore for a reason. Dumbledore is the only one that's seen through Tom Riddle's line of BS since the beginning.

I know about the clues that have been given about Dumbledore not making alot of mistakes, but when he makes one, it's huge. I also remember that Rowling went to great lengths to point out Dumbledore's aging throughout the book series, but this seems like too big a mistake for Dumbledore to have made.

This is one of the main reasons I think that Snape is on the good side. DD's been wrong before about things like when to tell Harry about the prophecy, not telling harry why he was keeping him at a distance in book 5, etc.. but for him to be wrong about Snape would be too huge of a mistake, IMO.

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?The thing is, the HBP, more than any other book, shows you why Voldemort fears Dumbledore. Dumbledore is no fool. Everyone was taken in by Tom Riddle, but Dumbledore saw right through him. So, Voldemort, the greatest Dark Wizard of all time can't fool Dumbledore, but Snape can? It doesn't make any sense. Also, the exchange at the end between Dumbledore and Snape makes no sense. If Snape really doublecrossed Dumbledore, it would sound almost like Dumbledore was begging for his life. Simply put, Dumbledore wouldn't beg for his life. Dumbledore did not fear death. That was pointed out continuously. Also, if Dumbledore didn't know exactly what was about to happen, why would he freeze Harry like that?

Dumbledore acted like he knew precisely what was about to happen the entire time. My feeling is that he acted that way because he DID know what was about to happen and he let it happen.

I just reread the entire series and I have to say that this is false. There is a line about how Dumbledore looking surprised by Snape and something in his voice (may have even been fear) that wasn't as confident as he was when he was talking to Malfoy and the rest of the Death Eaters before Snape showed up....I have a theory here as to why Dumbledore didn't just collapse dead. Belletrix said to Harry when he tried to do the Crusciatus Curse that he couldn't do it right because he had to mean it. Snape could've said the curse for AK but not meant it and thus just pushed DD off the rampart....Just a thought that occurred to me while typing the above paragraph....

I don't remember this at all. Dumbledore called for Snape. How could he have been surprised that Snape showed up? In fact, that's the ONLY person Dumbledore wanted to see when he got back to the castle. Maybe his tone with Snape was a pleading tone. I'm not disputing that, but doesn't that strike you as slightly odd? It was made abundantly clear that Dumbledore does not fear death. Why would he have pleaded for his life? It only makes sense if he was pleading for Snape, not to save him, but to do it.

Not only that, but why would he freeze Harry? He was weakened, but I think he could have easily fought Draco, so the only spell he had time for was a freezing spell on Harry? It doesn't add up. If he was so weak he couldn't fight, why wouldn't he want to have Harry as his ace in the hole, so to speak? He didn't want Harry to interfere. That's why he froze him.

Also, the scene with Harry chasing Snape was strange. Snape seemed to be giving Harry advice on what he needed to do. "Blocked again and again until you learn to close your mind and shut your mouth..." This doesn't strike you as a bit odd? Why would a guy who just killed Dumbledore and outed himself as Voldemort's man be giving Harry Potter advice on how he needed to improve?

I won't dispute that Rowling may be putting all of these clues in here to throw us off. I mean, let's face it, one of the ONLY mysteries left is Snape and what his story is and why Dumbledore trusts him. We know that Harry will defeat Voldemort, we just don't know how, so to me, that's not a huge mystery at this point.

 

[iamsmilin]

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[TheFanatic]

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Holly ####!!!! That looks really impressive!!!!

 

[Sack-Religious]

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Wow - Looks very good.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

I think that was the fight when Hogwart's started - slytherin didn't what the mudbloods to be accepted into the school. as the years passed, it would be really hard to keep slytherin as being only pure-bloods. it's been said a couple of times that there really isn't many pure blood families left in the wizarding world. not all the slytherins are bad, we just focus on the Malfoys and Crabbe/Goyle type of students but we don't know a lot about the rest of the students in slytherin.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

IMO this has something to do with the night that Harry's parents got killed, or something related to that. it's been hinted at that somebody else was at godic's hollow that night and there is a reason that DD was in possession of James' invisibility cloak. we know that snape was in love with harry's mom, so it would make sense that after he found out that voldemort was going after the potter's (b/c of the info that snape gave him), he tried to help (maybe only to save Lily?). JK has also said a couple of times that voldemort would've let lily live if she had stepped aside that night, and i've always found that statement curious - doesn't seem like it would be in voldemort's nature to let her live.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

I think that was the fight when Hogwart's started - slytherin didn't what the mudbloods to be accepted into the school. as the years passed, it would be really hard to keep slytherin as being only pure-bloods. it's been said a couple of times that there really isn't many pure blood families left in the wizarding world. not all the slytherins are bad, we just focus on the Malfoys and Crabbe/Goyle type of students but we don't know a lot about the rest of the students in slytherin.

Right. However, IRRC, Slytherin only wanted purebloods admitted to Hogwarts, but compromised and said that he'd only accept purebloods to his house. Then again, that may have changed over the years because as you said, the amount of pure blood families has diminished since Hogwarts was established. But I think recall something in the Sorting Hat's song in OoTP about it, I think. Sorry if my post was misinterpreted, I wasn't saying all Slytherin's are bad, just that they might all be pure bloods. Then again, Voldemort himself isn't a pure blood, so I guess that answers the question right there, doesn't it.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

IMO this has something to do with the night that Harry's parents got killed, or something related to that. it's been hinted at that somebody else was at godic's hollow that night and there is a reason that DD was in possession of James' invisibility cloak. we know that snape was in love with harry's mom, so it would make sense that after he found out that voldemort was going after the potter's (b/c of the info that snape gave him), he tried to help (maybe only to save Lily?). JK has also said a couple of times that voldemort would've let lily live if she had stepped aside that night, and i've always found that statement curious - doesn't seem like it would be in voldemort's nature to let her live.

That could very well be.I actually meant to put something similar to your post in mine, but got sidetracked. I've thought that it could have been Dumbledore at Godric's Hollow under the cloak, but him not doing anything to sace Lily or James seems as contrary to his nature as it would be for Voldemort to spare Lily.

We've heard that there is no blocking the AK curse, but what if Dumbledore (arguably the most powerful wizard maybe ever) was there and used some sort of "Love" blocking spell (only known to him) to spare Harry because of the prophecy. Perhaps that's the reason he feels so close to Harry and that it was his responsibility to protect him, since he couldn't/wouldn't save his parents. This may also go with the statements made about Dumbledore being rather cleverer than most wizards and consequently, his mistakes are proportionately bigger. I dunno, this just kind of came to me as I was typing.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

IMO this has something to do with the night that Harry's parents got killed, or something related to that. it's been hinted at that somebody else was at godic's hollow that night and there is a reason that DD was in possession of James' invisibility cloak. we know that snape was in love with harry's mom, so it would make sense that after he found out that voldemort was going after the potter's (b/c of the info that snape gave him), he tried to help (maybe only to save Lily?). JK has also said a couple of times that voldemort would've let lily live if she had stepped aside that night, and i've always found that statement curious - doesn't seem like it would be in voldemort's nature to let her live.

That could very well be.I actually meant to put something similar to your post in mine, but got sidetracked. I've thought that it could have been Dumbledore at Godric's Hollow under the cloak, but him not doing anything to sace Lily or James seems as contrary to his nature as it would be for Voldemort to spare Lily.

We've heard that there is no blocking the AK curse, but what if Dumbledore (arguably the most powerful wizard maybe ever) was there and used some sort of "Love" blocking spell (only known to him) to spare Harry because of the prophecy. Perhaps that's the reason he feels so close to Harry and that it was his responsibility to protect him, since he couldn't/wouldn't save his parents. This may also go with the statements made about Dumbledore being rather cleverer than most wizards and consequently, his mistakes are proportionately bigger. I dunno, this just kind of came to me as I was typing.

1. To my knowlege, DD can make himself invisible so he wouldn't have needed the cloak. That's why I think maybe Snape was there helping in some way. 2. I like the idea of the love blocking spell. MAYBE DD had to train Snape to do it since snape loved lily in a way that dumbledore didn't? maybe the shocker is that b/c of that snape basically saved harry's life and that's why DD trusts him.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Rowling has gone to great lengths to convince us of both because I think that's the biggest spoiler of all. What is Snape's story? Why does he hate Harry so much? Why is Dumbledore so convinced that Snape is on their side?

Harry is too much like his father for Snape to take. They James Potter and Severus Snape hated each other with almost unrivaled ferocity. That leads to most of the hate. The fact that Dumbledore has enlisted Snape to help protect the son of the person who tormented him for 7 years sure doesn't help. I also think that Snape sees a bit of himself in Harry and that makes it worse.I do want to know what Snape did to make Dumbledore so convinced that he flipped sides.

Somewhat unrelated question. If Slytherin house only accepts pure-bloods, how did Snape get put in Slytherin?

IMO this has something to do with the night that Harry's parents got killed, or something related to that. it's been hinted at that somebody else was at godic's hollow that night and there is a reason that DD was in possession of James' invisibility cloak. we know that snape was in love with harry's mom, so it would make sense that after he found out that voldemort was going after the potter's (b/c of the info that snape gave him), he tried to help (maybe only to save Lily?). JK has also said a couple of times that voldemort would've let lily live if she had stepped aside that night, and i've always found that statement curious - doesn't seem like it would be in voldemort's nature to let her live.

That could very well be.I actually meant to put something similar to your post in mine, but got sidetracked. I've thought that it could have been Dumbledore at Godric's Hollow under the cloak, but him not doing anything to sace Lily or James seems as contrary to his nature as it would be for Voldemort to spare Lily.

We've heard that there is no blocking the AK curse, but what if Dumbledore (arguably the most powerful wizard maybe ever) was there and used some sort of "Love" blocking spell (only known to him) to spare Harry because of the prophecy. Perhaps that's the reason he feels so close to Harry and that it was his responsibility to protect him, since he couldn't/wouldn't save his parents. This may also go with the statements made about Dumbledore being rather cleverer than most wizards and consequently, his mistakes are proportionately bigger. I dunno, this just kind of came to me as I was typing.

1. To my knowlege, DD can make himself invisible so he wouldn't have needed the cloak. That's why I think maybe Snape was there helping in some way. 2. I like the idea of the love blocking spell. MAYBE DD had to train Snape to do it since snape loved lily in a way that dumbledore didn't? maybe the shocker is that b/c of that snape basically saved harry's life and that's why DD trusts him.

1. Yeah, I forgot about that until I re-read earlier posts.2. Together, we might be onto something here. Snape could have known that Voldemort was going to kill the Potter's since he was a Death Eater. It would prove his trustworthiness to Dumbledore, further show him that the "light" arts are more powerful than the dark and possibly cause him to dislike Harry even more because his blocking spell saved Harry, but not Lily. I like it, anyway.

 

[Peak]

What if Harry is really Snape's kid? He could have used the invisibility cloak and was there when voldy attacked Lilly. Snape is hard on Harry because he is really his son, but in no way resembles Snape. Add the fact that only Snape and Lilly knew this, everyone suspects Harry acts like James. It would make sense as to why Snape is on DD's side, since voldy killed the love of his life and his son's mother.

Enter Maury Povich and the Paternity Testers.

 

[Joseph]

What if Harry is really Snape's kid? He could have used the invisibility cloak and was there when voldy attacked Lilly. Snape is hard on Harry because he is really his son, but in no way resembles Snape. Add the fact that only Snape and Lilly knew this, everyone suspects Harry acts like James. It would make sense as to why Snape is on DD's side, since voldy killed the love of his life and his son's mother.Enter Maury Povich and the Paternity Testers.

I can picture the confrontation now..."Harry, Dumbledore never told you what REALLY happened to your father.""He told me enough, he told me you were involved in giving Lord Voldemort their hiding place and leading to their death.""No, I am your father! Now join me, and we can rule the world as father and son!""NO" - Harry jumps off the Astronomy tower only to be saved by his heretofore unknown "sister" Hermione.I have a feeling that plot twist would get some pretty poor reviews...

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

What if Harry is really Snape's kid? He could have used the invisibility cloak and was there when voldy attacked Lilly. Snape is hard on Harry because he is really his son, but in no way resembles Snape. Add the fact that only Snape and Lilly knew this, everyone suspects Harry acts like James. It would make sense as to why Snape is on DD's side, since voldy killed the love of his life and his son's mother.Enter Maury Povich and the Paternity Testers.

I can picture the confrontation now..."Harry, Dumbledore never told you what REALLY happened to your father.""He told me enough, he told me you were involved in giving Lord Voldemort their hiding place and leading to their death.""No, I am your father! Now join me, and we can rule the world as father and son!""NO" - Harry jumps off the Astronomy tower only to be saved by his heretofore unknown "sister" Hermione.I have a feeling that plot twist would get some pretty poor reviews...

I suddenly had a mental image of Voldemort using the Cruciatus curse on Harry, with Snape looking pensively back and forth between the two of them and finally picking up Voldemort and throwing him down some bottomless pit.

 

[KarmaPolice]

What if Harry is really Snape's kid? He could have used the invisibility cloak and was there when voldy attacked Lilly. Snape is hard on Harry because he is really his son, but in no way resembles Snape. Add the fact that only Snape and Lilly knew this, everyone suspects Harry acts like James. It would make sense as to why Snape is on DD's side, since voldy killed the love of his life and his son's mother.Enter Maury Povich and the Paternity Testers.

I can picture the confrontation now..."Harry, Dumbledore never told you what REALLY happened to your father.""He told me enough, he told me you were involved in giving Lord Voldemort their hiding place and leading to their death.""No, I am your father! Now join me, and we can rule the world as father and son!""NO" - Harry jumps off the Astronomy tower only to be saved by his heretofore unknown "sister" Hermione.I have a feeling that plot twist would get some pretty poor reviews...

I suddenly had a mental image of Voldemort using the Cruciatus curse on Harry, with Snape looking pensively back and forth between the two of them and finally picking up Voldemort and throwing him down some bottomless pit.

:X

 

[Sack-Religious]

I read somewhere recently, and it's probably someone just talking out their ###, but they were saying that Snape and Lily were siblings somehow. I can't see it, but has anyone else heard this?

 

[TheFanatic]

I read somewhere recently, and it's probably someone just talking out their ###, but they were saying that Snape and Lily were siblings somehow. I can't see it, but has anyone else heard this?

How could that be? Aunt Petunia has never mentioned that she had a sister AND a brother that went off with the wizarding lot. Can't be. As for the person wondering how Snape got into Slytherin as he isn't pure blood, remember that Voldie was Slytehrin and he wasn't pure blood either...

 

[Sack-Religious]

I read somewhere recently, and it's probably someone just talking out their ###, but they were saying that Snape and Lily were siblings somehow. I can't see it, but has anyone else heard this?

How could that be? Aunt Petunia has never mentioned that she had a sister AND a brother that went off with the wizarding lot. Can't be. As for the person wondering how Snape got into Slytherin as he isn't pure blood, remember that Voldie was Slytehrin and he wasn't pure blood either...

Like I said, I was just seeing if any of us have heard it. FWIW, Petunia and Lily bear no physical resemblance so I guess it's theoretically possible that they could have shared a parent. Then again Lily and Snape don't share much of a resemblance, either.I was actually the one asking about Snape in Slytherin. Shortly after I also posted that Voldemort was half-blood as well. However, since Voldemort had Salazar Slytherin blood in him maybe that allowed him in. My guess is that while originally Slytherin was only pure-bloods, Slytherin house now takes people with mixed-blood, but not Muggle-borns. So far in all the books there are people in every house, but Slytherin, described as Muggle-born, so maybe that's it.

 

[nysfl2]

I read somewhere recently, and it's probably someone just talking out their ###, but they were saying that Snape and Lily were siblings somehow. I can't see it, but has anyone else heard this?

How could that be? Aunt Petunia has never mentioned that she had a sister AND a brother that went off with the wizarding lot. Can't be. As for the person wondering how Snape got into Slytherin as he isn't pure blood, remember that Voldie was Slytehrin and he wasn't pure blood either...

Like I said, I was just seeing if any of us have heard it. FWIW, Petunia and Lily bear no physical resemblance so I guess it's theoretically possible that they could have shared a parent. Then again Lily and Snape don't share much of a resemblance, either.I was actually the one asking about Snape in Slytherin. Shortly after I also posted that Voldemort was half-blood as well. However, since Voldemort had Salazar Slytherin blood in him maybe that allowed him in. My guess is that while originally Slytherin was only pure-bloods, Slytherin house now takes people with mixed-blood, but not Muggle-borns. So far in all the books there are people in every house, but Slytherin, described as Muggle-born, so maybe that's it.

In the original book, didn't the sorting hat almost put Harry in Slytherin? I don't think that Slytherin has a pure-blood requirement anymore.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Next you guys will have Harry marrying Ginny, but knocking up Hermione after a long night and too many butter beers.

 

[Sack-Religious]

I actually think Ginny's going to die.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I actually think Ginny's going to die.

 

[Das Boot]

Next you guys will have Harry marrying Ginny, but knocking up Hermione after a long night and too many butter beers.

The first will happen, the second DECIDEDLY won't.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I actually think Ginny's going to die.

I'd be surprised. It's too nicely set up right now for the 3 main characters plus Ginny to all end up as brothers and sisters. That's the outcome I'm rooting for anyway.

 

[iamsmilin]

I actually think Ginny's going to die.

I'd be surprised. It's too nicely set up right now for the 3 main characters plus Ginny to all end up as brothers and sisters. That's the outcome I'm rooting for anyway.

I do too. But I think it's a high possiblity. Rowling doesn't hold back on killing people we really like. And I think Voldi killing Ginny will spur Harry's rage.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I actually think Ginny's going to die.

I'd be surprised. It's too nicely set up right now for the 3 main characters plus Ginny to all end up as brothers and sisters. That's the outcome I'm rooting for anyway.

I do too. But I think it's a high possiblity. Rowling doesn't hold back on killing people we really like. And I think Voldi killing Ginny will spur Harry's rage.

He needs to have his rage spurred more than for Voldemort killing his parents, condeming him to a childhood of abuse, and being directly responsible for the deaths of his two primary adult role models and guardians?Harry is already simmering with rage, if anything I think he needs a nudge in the other direction.

 

[iamsmilin]

I actually think Ginny's going to die.

I'd be surprised. It's too nicely set up right now for the 3 main characters plus Ginny to all end up as brothers and sisters. That's the outcome I'm rooting for anyway.

I do too. But I think it's a high possiblity. Rowling doesn't hold back on killing people we really like. And I think Voldi killing Ginny will spur Harry's rage.

He needs to have his rage spurred more than for Voldemort killing his parents, condeming him to a childhood of abuse, and being directly responsible for the deaths of his two primary adult role models and guardians?Harry is already simmering with rage, if anything I think he needs a nudge in the other direction.

Does he need it? No. Doesn't mean it won't happen.

 

[Sack-Religious]

Saw an interesting theory in another forum with regards to love and sacrifice. Something similar to the love blocking spell Karma Police and I were discussing earlier. For lack of a better term, I'll call this the Anti-Horcrux theory and reiterate once more that this isn't my theory. It does however take a lot of the thoughts I've been having and put them together nicely.

"We know that a horcrux is created after committing the most evil act: killing another human. The books say that every time a murder is committed, the soul is torn. Creating a horcrux is encasing the bit of torn soul into an object outside of the body.

So the opposite action would have to be the most loving act that someone can commit, and it would combine two souls. What would that act be? All I can think of is:

Sacrificing yourself for a loved one- dying for them

Creating a new life- giving birth to a child

Just having love for someone

Dumbledore reiterates throughout the series that Tom Riddle has never understood love. He says Harry's weapon, his advantage over Voldemort, is his ability to love and be loved. That's supposed to be what allows him to defeat Voldemort. You could argue that it's simpler. Love may just be what drives Harry to go after Voldemort in the first place, but how is that something that Voldemort doesn't understand?

Couldn't loving someone do the opposite of a horcrux, then? Join two souls. If that's true it must happen all the time, naturally. It's like how you never really die, because you live through your loved ones. Voldemort would have overlooked this.

It would be kind of neat if say 7 (or 6, if you want 7 pieces total) people died loving Harry. The final battle would be 1/7 of a soul vs. a soul 7x reinforced. Is that significant? It's not like their SOULS are battling physically, but it would give Harry protection and strength (as we've already seen).

1. Lily

2. James

3. Sirius

4. Dumbledore

I've said earlier that I think Ginny might die and this only furthers that thought. As much as I don't want to see it happen, I think it'll be Ginny and/or another adult figure we've known through all the books who dies. There is also a distinct possibility that Wormtail repays his "life debt" to Harry thus strengthening Harry's soul.

Something else I came across was the Japanese translation of the book title:

While I don't necessarily think it's a spoiler I'll attempt to use spoiler tags for those who choose not to know translated book titles for fear that it may reveal information. If you deem it not to be a spoiler and want to discuss further, without the use of spoiler tags, just let me know and I'll edit the post to remove the tags.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Saw an interesting theory in another forum with regards to love and sacrifice. Something similar to the love blocking spell Karma Police and I were discussing earlier. For lack of a better term, I'll call this the Anti-Horcrux theory and reiterate once more that this isn't my theory. It does however take a lot of the thoughts I've been having and put them together nicely.

"We know that a horcrux is created after committing the most evil act: killing another human. The books say that every time a murder is committed, the soul is torn. Creating a horcrux is encasing the bit of torn soul into an object outside of the body.

So the opposite action would have to be the most loving act that someone can commit, and it would combine two souls. What would that act be? All I can think of is:

Sacrificing yourself for a loved one- dying for them

Creating a new life- giving birth to a child

Just having love for someone

Dumbledore reiterates throughout the series that Tom Riddle has never understood love. He says Harry's weapon, his advantage over Voldemort, is his ability to love and be loved. That's supposed to be what allows him to defeat Voldemort. You could argue that it's simpler. Love may just be what drives Harry to go after Voldemort in the first place, but how is that something that Voldemort doesn't understand?

Couldn't loving someone do the opposite of a horcrux, then? Join two souls. If that's true it must happen all the time, naturally. It's like how you never really die, because you live through your loved ones. Voldemort would have overlooked this.

It would be kind of neat if say 7 (or 6, if you want 7 pieces total) people died loving Harry. The final battle would be 1/7 of a soul vs. a soul 7x reinforced. Is that significant? It's not like their SOULS are battling physically, but it would give Harry protection and strength (as we've already seen).

1. Lily

2. James

3. Sirius

4. Dumbledore

I've said earlier that I think Ginny might die and this only furthers that thought. As much as I don't want to see it happen, I think it'll be Ginny and/or another adult figure we've known through all the books who dies. There is also a distinct possibility that Wormtail repays his "life debt" to Harry thus strengthening Harry's soul.

Something else I came across was the Japanese translation of the book title:

While I don't necessarily think it's a spoiler I'll attempt to use spoiler tags for those who choose not to know translated book titles for fear that it may reveal information. If you deem it not to be a spoiler and want to discuss further, without the use of spoiler tags, just let me know and I'll edit the post to remove the tags.

Actually, I think everything that you posted above it is more revealing than what's in the spoiler box. I like that theory. I think the only thing that makes me doubt it is that Lily and James died protecting Harry, but did the other two? Maybe it's enough that people that love him have died, but DDs and Sirius' deaths weren't directly involved in saving Harry. I'll have to give this one some more thought though...

 

[Challenge Everything]

http://scholastic.com/harrypotter/activiti...k/question4.htm

Interesting results in question 4. Other questions may lead a person to think something is going to happen as well by inadvertantly giving away ideas but just 40 days left.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

http://scholastic.com/harrypotter/activiti...k/question4.htm

Interesting results in question 4. Other questions may lead a person to think something is going to happen as well by inadvertantly giving away ideas but just 40 days left.

I think it's been pretty well established that isn't going to happen (the popular answer to question 4).