Has anyone played in a league with the following (1 Viewer)

[scottiev]

Anyone here play in a league where you get points for the # of carries your rb gets? .25 per carry?

a friend was saying that if we have points per reception, we should have points per carry as well

 

[Kleck.]

1 pt. every 5 carries.

 

[sholditch]

I also played in bonus points for 20-25, and 30 carries, and the systems rewards workhorse backs. I think it was a bonus of 5 @ 20 with 3 and 3 being added thereafter, but the WRs were set up that way too. PPR I think was originally established to be a evening factor between RBs and WRs. Seeing as how 20 cpg is typical for a starting back, and about 6-7 catches typical for a WR1, .25 would be a bit low, but considering that RBs still typically see more yardage and TDs than WRs, sounds about right.

 

[zanti8]

i dont like 1 point per reception leagues . but i do like this setup :

.25 per reception

.1 per rush attempt

 

[AbidingDude]

Our league gives points per carry.

Briefly something like

1 pt / Completion

1 pt / rushing attempt

1 pt / reception (2 for receivers)

and

1 pt / yard from scrimmage

for everyone...

We have this scoring system not to balance the draft (there are lots of posts talking about that) but to balance the different roster "sets" that we can start.

Standard 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1K 1D

Power 1QB 3RB 2TE 1K 1D

RunNShoot 1QB 1RB 4WR 1K 1D

I have heard of leagues giving points per reception without giving points per carry, so I dont think it is a must. The only way it might be required if you are trying to balance different roster possibilities. If someone thinks they can balance the draft by changing only 1 positions scoring then they need to take a look at the VBD principles that are all over the web, and well described at footballguys.com.

 

[scottiev]

Thanks guys. I was thinking the same, but this guy keeps saying that

if there is ppr, there should be ppc (pp carry)

.25 per catch and per carry

this will really really favor the rb's in the league

I don't htink this is a good idea. hmm

 

[Chase Stuart]

Inside the position it shouldn't change things too much. The correlation coefficient of the ranking of RBs based on standard scoring and PPR scoring is 0.96, with guys like Westbrook and Chestor Taylor being big movers. The CC of RB ranks with standard scoring and .25PPC is 0.99.

1	Shaun Alexander	364	4572	Larry Johnson	335	4193	LaDainian Tomlinson	318	4034	Tiki Barber	305	3945	Edgerrin James	268	3586	Clinton Portis	244	3327	Rudi Johnson	227	3118	Lamont Jordan	225	2939	Thomas Jones	202	28110	Mike Anderson	201	26111	Steven Jackson	197	26112	Warrick Dunn	188	25813	Willis McGahee	173	25414	Reuben Droughns	172	24915	Willie Parker	172	23619	Cadillac Williams	162	23517	Domanick Davis	167	22516	Corey Dillon	169	22120	Chris Brown	160	21621	Julius Jones	151	21518	Brian Westbrook	165	20425	Jamal Lewis	134	20123	Ronnie Brown	144	19624	DeShaun Foster	143	19422	Tatum Bell	151	19426	Stephen Davis	131	17629	Curtis Martin	115	17027	Ricky Williams	120	16228	Mewelde Moore	118	15731	Kevin Jones	107	15433	Fred Taylor	105	15434	Kevan Barlow	100	14430	Sam Gado	108	14432	Priest Holmes	107	13740	Antowain Smith	89	13135	Marion Barber III	95	13041	Greg Jones	88	12638	Frank Gore	92	12436	Jerome Bettis	95	12337	T.J. Duckett	92	12239	Michael Bennett	90	12243	Chester Taylor	84	11348	Marcel Shipp	71	11042	Michael Pittman	86	10447	Artose Pinner	71	9844	Jonathan Wells	74	9755	J.J. Arrington	63	9145	Chris Perry	73	8852	Aaron Stecker	64	8854	Deuce McAllister	63	8650	Shawn Bryson	65	8146	Mike Alstott	72	8153	Marshall Faulk	64	8051	Tony Fisher	65	8049	Patrick Pass	65	7958	Ladell Betts	54	7656	Verron Haynes	57	7657	Adrian Peterson	56	7559	Maurice Hicks	54	6960	Kyle Johnson	53	54

The big movers would be somone like Westbrook and Lewis. In standard scoring Westbrook beats Lewis by 31, but in .25PPC he wins by just 3 points.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Inside the position it shouldn't change things too much. The correlation coefficient of the ranking of RBs based on standard scoring and PPR scoring is 0.96, with guys like Westbrook and Chestor Taylor being big movers. The CC of RB ranks with standard scoring and .25PPC is 0.99.

R = Fantasy Point Rank

FP = Standard FPs

PPC = Standard FPs plus 0.25 PPC.

R Player Name         FP  PPC1 Shaun Alexander     364 4572 Larry Johnson       335 4193 LaDainian Tomlinson 318 4034 Tiki Barber         305 3945 Edgerrin James      268 3586 Clinton Portis      244 3327 Rudi Johnson        227 3118 Lamont Jordan       225 2939 Thomas Jones        202 28110 Mike Anderson      201 26111 Steven Jackson     197 26112 Warrick Dunn       188 25813 Willis McGahee     173 25414 Reuben Droughns    172 24915 Willie Parker      172 23619 Cadillac Williams  162 23517 Domanick Davis     167 22516 Corey Dillon       169 22120 Chris Brown        160 21621 Julius Jones       151 21518 Brian Westbrook    165 20425 Jamal Lewis        134 20123 Ronnie Brown       144 19624 DeShaun Foster     143 19422 Tatum Bell         151 19426 Stephen Davis      131 17629 Curtis Martin      115 17027 Ricky Williams     120 16228 Mewelde Moore      118 15731 Kevin Jones        107 15433 Fred Taylor        105 15434 Kevan Barlow       100 14430 Sam Gado           108 14432 Priest Holmes      107 13740 Antowain Smith      89 13135 Marion Barber III   95 13041 Greg Jones          88 12638 Frank Gore          92 12436 Jerome Bettis       95 12337 T.J. Duckett        92 12239 Michael Bennett     90 12243 Chester Taylor      84 11348 Marcel Shipp        71 11042 Michael Pittman     86 10447 Artose Pinner       71 9844 Jonathan Wells      74 9755 J.J. Arrington      63 9145 Chris Perry         73 8852 Aaron Stecker       64 8854 Deuce McAllister    63 8650 Shawn Bryson        65 8146 Mike Alstott        72 8153 Marshall Faulk      64 8051 Tony Fisher         65 8049 Patrick Pass        65 7958 Ladell Betts        54 7656 Verron Haynes       57 7657 Adrian Peterson     56 7559 Maurice Hicks       54 6960 Kyle Johnson        53 54

The big movers would be somone like Westbrook and Lewis. In standard scoring Westbrook beats Lewis by 31, but in .25PPC he wins by just 3 points.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Inside the position it shouldn't change things too much. The correlation coefficient of the ranking of RBs based on standard scoring and PPR scoring is 0.96, with guys like Westbrook and Chestor Taylor being big movers. The CC of RB ranks with standard scoring and .25PPC is 0.99.

R = Fantasy Point Rank

FP = Standard FPs

PPC = Standard FPs plus 0.25 PPC.

R Player Name         FP  PPC1 Shaun Alexander     364 4572 Larry Johnson       335 4193 LaDainian Tomlinson 318 4034 Tiki Barber         305 3945 Edgerrin James      268 3586 Clinton Portis      244 3327 Rudi Johnson        227 3118 Lamont Jordan       225 2939 Thomas Jones        202 28110 Mike Anderson      201 26111 Steven Jackson     197 26112 Warrick Dunn       188 25813 Willis McGahee     173 25414 Reuben Droughns    172 24915 Willie Parker      172 23619 Cadillac Williams  162 23517 Domanick Davis     167 22516 Corey Dillon       169 22120 Chris Brown        160 21621 Julius Jones       151 21518 Brian Westbrook    165 20425 Jamal Lewis        134 20123 Ronnie Brown       144 19624 DeShaun Foster     143 19422 Tatum Bell         151 19426 Stephen Davis      131 17629 Curtis Martin      115 17027 Ricky Williams     120 16228 Mewelde Moore      118 15731 Kevin Jones        107 15433 Fred Taylor        105 15434 Kevan Barlow       100 14430 Sam Gado           108 14432 Priest Holmes      107 13740 Antowain Smith      89 13135 Marion Barber III   95 13041 Greg Jones          88 12638 Frank Gore          92 12436 Jerome Bettis       95 12337 T.J. Duckett        92 12239 Michael Bennett     90 12243 Chester Taylor      84 11348 Marcel Shipp        71 11042 Michael Pittman     86 10447 Artose Pinner       71 9844 Jonathan Wells      74 9755 J.J. Arrington      63 9145 Chris Perry         73 8852 Aaron Stecker       64 8854 Deuce McAllister    63 8650 Shawn Bryson        65 8146 Mike Alstott        72 8153 Marshall Faulk      64 8051 Tony Fisher         65 8049 Patrick Pass        65 7958 Ladell Betts        54 7656 Verron Haynes       57 7657 Adrian Peterson     56 7559 Maurice Hicks       54 6960 Kyle Johnson        53 54The big movers would be somone like Westbrook and Lewis. In standard scoring Westbrook beats Lewis by 31, but in .25PPC he wins by just 3 points.

I'm drafting for someone in a league that has stardard scoring and awards one point per carry, a point for a reception, and a point for a completion. It dimishes the signficance of yards gained especially for QBs who get a point for fifty passing yards. I think its a horrible scoring system.

If a QB clicks on short passes, twenty five completions, but only gains 120 yards he'd get, 27 points. Another QB throws for 380 yards on 20 competions, he'd get 27 points.

Its also a bad idea to score for rush attempts/receptions this way as well. Example, if a RB has a two hundred yard rushing game and a twenty yard reception in only ten attempts he'd get (one point per twenty rush/rec yards) 23 points. If a part time RB has twelve carries for 20 yards and catches six balls for twenty yards he'd have 22 points. I do not think it is fair to award for merely running or catching the ball. Players should be awarded for what they do AFTER they get the ball in their hands in my humble opinion.

Just out of curiousity what would those scoring rules, one pt per, REC, Rush Attempt, Completion, do to the rankings based on PROJECTIONS for the upcoming season? We are already on round nine so it won't help me, just curious.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

i played in a league like that one year. don't remember the specifics, but it became all about the running backs. didn't like it.

 

[Brunswick]

One league with PPC and PPR plus Minus points for pass attempts and plus points per completion

Number of Passing TDs 1-10 4.0 points each

Passing Yards 0-24 0

Passing Yards 25-299 1 point for every 25

Passing Yards 300-999 12.0 points for 300, and then 2.0 point for every 20 thereafter

Pass Attempts 1-99 -1.0 point each

Pass Completions 1-99 2.0 points each

Pass Interceptions Thrown 1-4 -3.0 points each

Pass Interceptions Thrown 5-99 -15.0 points for 5, and then -4.0 point for every 1 thereafter

QB Sacked 1-99 -1.0 point each

Passing 2 Pointers 1-99 2.0 points each

Number of Rushing TDs 1-10 6.0 points each

Rushing Yards 0-9 0

Rushing Yards 10-149 1 point for every 10

Rushing Yards 150-999 15.0 points for 150, and then 2.0 point for every 10 thereafter

Rush Attempts 5-24 1 point for every 5

Rush Attempts 25-99 5.0 points for 25, and then 1 point for every 3 thereafter

Rushing 2 Pointers 1-99 2.0 points each

Number of Receiving TDs 1-10 6.0 points each

Receiving Yards 0-19 0

Receiving Yards 20-99 1 point for every 20

Receiving Yards 100-999 5.0 points for 100, and then 1 point for every 15 thereafter

Receptions 1-9 1.0 point each

Receptions 10-99 10.0 points for 10, and then 3.0 point for every 2 thereafter

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

why the need for PPC? can't RBs also get receptions? not like it's WR exclusive ...

 

[AbidingDude]

I'm drafting for someone in a league that has stardard scoring and awards one point per carry, a point for a reception, and a point for a completion.

It dimishes the signficance of yards gained especially for QBs who get a point for fifty passing yards. I think its a horrible scoring system.

If a QB clicks on short passes, twenty five completions, but only gains 120 yards he'd get, 27 points. Another QB throws for 380 yards on 20 competions, he'd get 27 points.

Its also a bad idea to score for rush attempts/receptions this way as well. Example, if a RB has a two hundred yard rushing game and a twenty yard reception in only ten attempts he'd get (one point per twenty rush/rec yards) 23 points. If a part time RB has twelve carries for 20 yards and catches six balls for twenty yards he'd have 22 points. I do not think it is fair to award for merely running or catching the ball. Players should be awarded for what they do AFTER they get the ball in their hands in my humble opinion.

Just out of curiousity what would those scoring rules, one pt per, REC, Rush Attempt, Completion, do to the rankings based on PROJECTIONS for the upcoming season? We are already on round nine so it won't help me, just curious.

The projections don't change that much (at least in the scoring system I posted). I think you make an extreme case with your example (not many 10 carry 200 yard backs in the league), but there will always be extremes in any scoring system that are out of wack. Consider Jerome Bettis's 3 carry 2 TD game this past year. In most normal scoring systems he scored 12 (or 12.something if you have decimals for yardage). That means he scored more then Someone like Portis who ran the ball 25 times for 100 yards and controlled the entire game. That seems out of wack to me.Most of FF is about oportunity. And scoring receptions, carries, and completions represents a little of that. What they do after that always counts and adds to their score. But if you can identify a running back who will get 25 carries a game, then he should be somewhat valuable whether his yardage and TD numbers are impressive that year or not. He is still the teams work horse.

But the best way to see is to look at actual game stats. I play in all kinds of leagues, and they are all have similar results despite different scoring systems.