HBO Series "The Night Of" (1 Viewer)

[shuke]

Are you referring to the pic that the DA showed the coroner? Was that Andrea's hand or Nas'?

When he stabbed her hand playing the knife game, her hand was palm up.

Could be interpreted as a defensive wound, could be nothing, but thought it was odd that when she did it to herself it was palm down. Then when she wanted Naz to do it, she put her hand palm up. 

I'm sure you guys were distracted during that scene, but the entire time they were talking about a pictures of Nas's hand.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm sure you guys were distracted during that scene, but the entire time they were talking about a pictures of Nas's hand.

I thought it was Nas' hand too, that's why I was asking. 

Like I said earlier the DA started trying to craft evidence when Trevor was crossed off the list. Her case isn't as strong as it first appeared alredy.

 

[The Gator]

I'm sure you guys were distracted during that scene, but the entire time they were talking about a pictures of Nas's hand.

My comment had nothing to do with that 

 

[shuke]

I thought it was Nas' hand too, that's why I was asking. 

Like I said earlier the DA started trying to craft evidence when Trevor was crossed off the list. Her case isn't as strong as it first appeared alredy.

The entire conversation was whether the cut was from breaking into the house or from slipping during stabbing, so yes it was Nas's hand.

 

[Sconch]

The entire conversation was whether the cut was from breaking into the house or from slipping during stabbing, so yes it was Nas's hand.

I really hate that I am posting this but are there really people on gods green smurf that didn't know they were talking about HIS hand???

 

[The Gator]

I really hate that I am posting this but are there really people on gods green smurf that didn't know they were talking about HIS hand???

No, but there are people who think that any hand talk is regarding the last episode and Nas' hand. 

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I really hate that I am posting this but are there really people on gods green smurf that didn't know they were talking about HIS hand???

I don't know... It WAS vague. They could have been discussing whether SHE cut her hand breaking the glass to get back into the house after she was murdered. 

 

[Michael Brown]

As far as I know we still haven't officially ruled out "murder by antlers". 

It's a True Detective homage!

 

[pecorino]

Naz will be acquitted of the murder but end up doing time based on his criminal actions while in the pokey.

 

[packersfan]

Amara Karan

Very nice.

Also enjoying the show a lot but agree with others that Stone turning into Starsky or Hutch at the end of the last episode was a bit much.   

 

[Gustavo Fring]

When stone picked up that pipe in the alley, he was wielding that mechanic's grip I know.  I may not have seen it, but I heard it.  

 

[Funkley]

meh.....still like it but Naz suddenly going tough guy and Stone chasing a felon down the alley was dumb.

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[IC FBGCav]

When stone picked up that pipe in the alley, he was wielding that mechanic's grip I know.  I may not have seen it, but I heard it.  

Stone doesn't have the balls to shoot that angle.

 

[Funkley]

Did you guys notice there is no Taco Tuesday in prison?  Pretty lame amirite? 

Replaced by Salad Toss Saturday.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Stone may be at the point where death isn't that unappealing of an option due to his jacked up feet. This is a hail Mary in an attempt to finally get some professional respect and maybe give himself a real career. If it goes south, then so be it. 

 

[Todem]

Seeing Naz's temper unfold in the last episode can lead us to question if he was capable of murder. The fact is any human being is fully capable of murder. I still think it was the Stepfather some how some way. He was arguing with her step daughters dealer. Something is very fishy there.

3 more episodes. Should be a wild ride in the court room. 

And shaving his head was a bad bad idea for court. Just mindless and reckless. But his transformation has been stark since getting into Rikers Island.

 

[gump]

Stone may be at the point where death isn't that unappealing of an option due to his jacked up feet. This is a hail Mary in an attempt to finally get some professional respect and maybe give himself a real career. If it goes south, then so be it. 

Same thing I was going to say (I swear).  He said last ep he was about to jump out a window.

 

[shuke]

No, but there are people who think that any hand talk is regarding the last episode and Nas' hand. 

Well, yea, when your statement is a direct response to someone referring to said picture.

 

[The Gator]

Well, yea, when your statement is a direct response to someone referring to said picture.

How does my comment say that I was talking about the picture?

I explained i was talking about the knife game from the first episode.

 

[shuke]

How does my comment say that I was talking about the picture?

I explained i was talking about the knife game from the first episode.

Keep looking.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Keep looking.

I think he is genuinely :shuked:

 

[Sinn Fein]

To be fair to @The Gator

One thing I'm waiting to come into play is the defensive wound on her hand. 

Are you referring to the pic that the DA showed the coroner? Was that Andrea's hand or Nas'?

Gator started the conversation just about her hand - nothing to do with the photo.  Saints chimed in about the photo...Gator was never talking about the photo of Naz's hand on the black guy's penis.

 

[Neo]

I'm struggling through this series.  I don't know what everyone sees in this show but to me it's pretty meh....and I'm a big Turturro fan.   Naz is a tough guy now?  Cmon. 

 

[Apple Jack]

You have to be or at least act tough in there or they will eat you alive. Or so we've always been told. Both his and Turturro's zero ####s to give attitude work just fine.

 

[Charlie Harper]

I'm struggling through this series.  I don't know what everyone sees in this show but to me it's pretty meh....and I'm a big Turturro fan.   Naz is a tough guy now?  Cmon. 

Also, keep in mind there's only 8? episodes. They don't have a lot of time to slow play his turn.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

meh.....still like it but Naz suddenly going tough guy and Stone chasing a felon down the alley was dumb.

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You realize that a) the show has covered months in real-time, not days and b) it's been well-established that people don't always make the greatest decisions in this show. Just like real life! The main character's poor decision-making is what sets up the entire show!

 

[strykerpks]

Replaced by Salad Toss Saturday.

Those are my favorite Saturdays

 

[leftcoastguy7]

One of those 8 balls opens up in him and it's game over Naz

 

[Daywalker]

Naz, Turturro then Turturro's feet would probably be top 3 for screen time.

We even got treated to a scene with a support group for skin diseases.  Every Turturro scene involves his jacked up feet.  This is insane.

If this show didn't have the HBO umbrella no one would be talking about it.  Show is embarrassingly bad.

 

[Daywalker]

I like how Turturro told Naz he can't know what happened because he needs to be flexible.   

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm struggling through this series.  I don't know what everyone sees in this show but to me it's pretty meh....and I'm a big Turturro fan.   Naz is a tough guy now?  Cmon. 

For me I think it's 1. insightful because it's a statement on the system  and an explanation of it, and 2. it's a twist on the old mystery concept. Usually a mystery must be solved because someone faces jeopardy. Here a mystery is not being solved and someone has already suffered. Also the best mysteries involve protagonists who are hiding something, the crime puzzle becomes a personal moral quandary, that's what's happening here. There are several moral quandaries going on here. 

 

[shadyridr]

You realize that a) the show has covered months in real-time, not days and b) it's been well-established that people don't always make the greatest decisions in this show. Just like real life! The main character's poor decision-making is what sets up the entire show!

I didnt get the impression that the show covered months in real-time

 

[Funkley]

You realize that a) the show has covered months in real-time, not days and b) it's been well-established that people don't always make the greatest decisions in this show. Just like real life! The main character's poor decision-making is what sets up the entire show!

Sure. But I don't like the show that much that I feel compelled to fill in the gaps for them. If they are going for the effect that you suggest, then give us a little context or transition. All I saw is that in relatively little tv time, Naz went from the verge of death to one of Freddy's thugs. Cutting his hair? Sure, makes sense but give us an idea why it occurred to him. Or, he was "someone else" the whole time and we are seeing that now. But then why was he such a punk and afraid of his shadow at the beginning? 

It started out so good, I just don't want to see it get lame because all the characters aren't believable from one moment to the next.

 

[shadyridr]

It definitely wasn't months as Stone just took the cat out of the pound and they said they would keep the cat 10 days I think before putting it down.

 

[Funkley]

It definitely wasn't months as Stone just took the cat out of the pound and they said they would keep the cat 10 days I think before putting it down.

good point

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I didnt get the impression that the show covered months in real-time

It's had to.  The average length of time to get to trial in New York for capital murder is years and while it's clearly not been years, it's had to have been at least several months.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

It definitely wasn't months as Stone just took the cat out of the pound and they said they would keep the cat 10 days I think before putting it down.

Ah, I stand corrected.  Good point.  But that was 10 days for the cat once it was in.  It's had to have been about a month since the night of the murder I would think.

 

[jamny]

And have those two guys been waiting months for a response from Naz' dad about getting the cab back?

 

[shadyridr]

Ah, I stand corrected.  Good point.  But that was 10 days for the cat once it was in.  It's had to have been about a month since the night of the murder I would think.

I think everyone was referring to Naz turning from scaredy cat to thug which definitely was not months real time. More like days

 

[Neo]

Also, keep in mind there's only 8? episodes. They don't have a lot of time to slow play his turn.

Exactly, 8 episodes and they spend more time showing Stone with his cat and his feet...if you are going to say months pass by, every episode put a date or something in every episode title for some clarity.  Just seems to move like molasses and honestly at this point I could care less about Naz, nothing about him has me feeling bad for him at this point.  All the characters are blah IMO.  

Edited to add: good catch shady on the cat / months aspect.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I think everyone was referring to Naz turning from scaredy cat to thug which definitely was not months real time. More like days

Perhaps, but I'm still in the camp that he did it.  So in that, him "turning" might not be a turn at all.  He's smart as hell, has a past that is getting pealed back slowly and if you want to say that he was too wuick to be a brute in prison then you can also say he had it in him already and it was part of the plan.  Of course, just wild speculation on my part.

But I'm still leaning towads he did it but has this entire persona that makes him look innocent, Stone sacrifices himself for him thinking he was innocent to the end and in the final scenes we find out that not only was he guilty but he might just be a long time bad guy.

 

[jamny]

Perhaps, but I'm still in the camp that he did it.  So in that, him "turning" might not be a turn at all.  He's smart as hell, has a past that is getting pealed back slowly and if you want to say that he was too wuick to be a brute in prison then you can also say he had it in him already and it was part of the plan.  Of course, just wild speculation on my part.

But I'm still leaning towads he did it but has this entire persona that makes him look innocent, Stone sacrifices himself for him thinking he was innocent to the end and in the final scenes we find out that not only was he guilty but he might just be a long time bad guy.

If that turns out to be the case then they overdid the meek and timid Naz that we were introduced to.

 

[Agent 47]

Perhaps, but I'm still in the camp that he did it.  So in that, him "turning" might not be a turn at all.  He's smart as hell, has a past that is getting pealed back slowly and if you want to say that he was too wuick to be a brute in prison then you can also say he had it in him already and it was part of the plan.  Of course, just wild speculation on my part.

But I'm still leaning towads he did it but has this entire persona that makes him look innocent, Stone sacrifices himself for him thinking he was innocent to the end and in the final scenes we find out that not only was he guilty but he might just be a long time bad guy.

I just don't see how he could've done it and not had any blood on him beyond the little bit on his hand.

They swabbed him to "prove" he had sex with the girl, if they found any evidence doing that they should've found more blood.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Perhaps, but I'm still in the camp that he did it.  So in that, him "turning" might not be a turn at all.  He's smart as hell, has a past that is getting pealed back slowly and if you want to say that he was too wuick to be a brute in prison then you can also say he had it in him already and it was part of the plan.  Of course, just wild speculation on my part.

But I'm still leaning towads he did it but has this entire persona that makes him look innocent, Stone sacrifices himself for him thinking he was innocent to the end and in the final scenes we find out that not only was he guilty but he might just be a long time bad guy.

If that was the case - he was the killer, and had that kind of rage in him, I think it would have been better to start the show with him waking up in the kitchen, and left out all of the build up prior to that.  Just have him wake up, her be dead, and everyone left wondering how we got there.

I am not saying he did not do it definitively, but the lack of blood seems odd to me, combined with the prelude where he looks like a fish out of water, and I am in the camp where he is not everything he appears, but is also not the killer.  Add in the throw-away line from his attorney about how the system will take an innocent kid and turn him into a criminal - and I think that is what we are seeing.

 

[shadyridr]

Perhaps, but I'm still in the camp that he did it.  So in that, him "turning" might not be a turn at all.  He's smart as hell, has a past that is getting pealed back slowly and if you want to say that he was too wuick to be a brute in prison then you can also say he had it in him already and it was part of the plan.  Of course, just wild speculation on my part.

But I'm still leaning towads he did it but has this entire persona that makes him look innocent, Stone sacrifices himself for him thinking he was innocent to the end and in the final scenes we find out that not only was he guilty but he might just be a long time bad guy.

Even if he did do it, why pretend to be a scaredy cat in prison

 

[RUSF18]

If that was the case - he was the killer, and had that kind of rage in him, I think it would have been better to start the show with him waking up in the kitchen, and left out all of the build up prior to that.  Just have him wake up, her be dead, and everyone left wondering how we got there.

Disagree. The setup in that entire first episode, knowing what was eventually going to happen, made it so interesting and tense. Remove that and I don't think anyone cares in particular plus they would just assume he did it. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Disagree. The setup in that entire first episode, knowing what was eventually going to happen, made it so interesting and tense. Remove that and I don't think anyone cares in particular plus they would just assume he did it. 

Right - it was tense and interesting because it was set up to show he did not do it.  There was no reason for a "false pretense" from Naz before the crime - no reason for him to be acting other than the way he would normally act.  Once he got arrested, sure, you can make a case that he could put on an act of being a naive kid in a big city - but before that, he had no reason to be anything other than who he was.

So - if this was a show where he was the killer, we would have seen more of his "killer" background come out in the prelude to the murder.  And, if he did it, the show would want to hide that from the viewer for maximum effect.  So, just imo, but by showing us the beginning set-up, we are seeing that he was not a killer/criminal before all this went down, and is undergoing a change now due to the circumstances he finds himself in.

Or, this could be Primal Fear, and he is a sociopath

 

[shuke]

 Add in the throw-away line from his attorney about how the system will take an innocent kid and turn him into a criminal - and I think that is what we are seeing.

For me I think it's 1. insightful because it's a statement on the system  and an explanation of it, 

One of those 8 balls opens up in him and it's game over Naz

Yup to all of these.  I am not really expecting any type of big twist at the end or even a resolution of who did it.

 

[Statorama]

The primer for first timers in prison:

• Don't show emotion
  
• Don't ask or answer about any facts related to why you or someone else is in there.  That information can only hurt you.
  
• NEVER owe anybody for anything.  Nobody is just going to give you something.  If you accept a 'gift' you owe them, and that's a bad spot.
  
• Never gamble.  Most games are setup to take some unsuspecting chump, and are arranged to get you to owe someone.
  
• Never do drugs.  Drugs are everywhere in prison and extremely accessible.  Drugs will cause you to F up and get in someone's debt. (If you're a druggie going in, most prisons can provide a detox cell in PC.  Take advantage of that.)
  
• Handle your business.  If someone steps up take care of it.  Most jail fights last less than 30 seconds but it will seem like forever.  When the guards arrive, follow instructions.  You'll show the rest of the prisoners you won't back down by fighting, and you'll show the guards you're not a troublemaker by following instructions.
  
• Don't be a punk.  You're in prison and scared.  There's a temptation to be under someone's protection.  While no one will mess with you once you're protected, you're owned by whoever is providing the protection.  The service they provide comes at a non-negotiable cost, and is something you can never get out of as long as either of you are alive in there.
  
• Don't mess with someone else's punk.  If you harass someone under protection, you'll find out why you shouldn't.
  
• Don't be a peter gazer in the shower.  That's a pretty clear signal you want to give up those butt cheeks.
  
• It's poor etiquette to use the toilet while your cell mate is in there.  If you positively can't hold it, let your cellie know what's up otherwise you're probably going to get a beat down.
  
• If your cellie gets jumped, back him up.  If you have his back he'll likely have yours if you get in a beef.  Same thing if you sit with a group at lunch or hang with a group.  If something goes down you have to roll with that group if stuff kicks off.
  

There's a group of videos on youtube called Prison Talk hosted by Big Herc that I fully recommend.  Pretty informative view from a guy that's been inside.

 

[Neo]

The primer for first timers in prison:

• Don't show emotion
  
• Don't ask or answer about any facts related to why you or someone else is in there.  That information can only hurt you.
  
• NEVER owe anybody for anything.  Nobody is just going to give you something.  If you accept a 'gift' you owe them, and that's a bad spot.
  
• Never gamble.  Most games are setup to take some unsuspecting chump, and are arranged to get you to owe someone.
  
• Never do drugs.  Drugs are everywhere in prison and extremely accessible.  Drugs will cause you to F up and get in someone's debt. (If you're a druggie going in, most prisons can provide a detox cell in PC.  Take advantage of that.)
  
• Handle your business.  If someone steps up take care of it.  Most jail fights last less than 30 seconds but it will seem like forever.  When the guards arrive, follow instructions.  You'll show the rest of the prisoners you won't back down by fighting, and you'll show the guards you're not a troublemaker by following instructions.
  
• Don't be a punk.  You're in prison and scared.  There's a temptation to be under someone's protection.  While no one will mess with you once you're protected, you're owned by whoever is providing the protection.  The service they provide comes at a non-negotiable cost, and is something you can never get out of as long as either of you are alive in there.
  
• Don't mess with someone else's punk.  If you harass someone under protection, you'll find out why you shouldn't.
  
• Don't be a peter gazer in the shower.  That's a pretty clear signal you want to give up those butt cheeks.
  
• It's poor etiquette to use the toilet while your cell mate is in there.  If you positively can't hold it, let your cellie know what's up otherwise you're probably going to get a beat down.
  
• If your cellie gets jumped, back him up.  If you have his back he'll likely have yours if you get in a beef.  Same thing if you sit with a group at lunch or hang with a group.  If something goes down you have to roll with that group if stuff kicks off.
  

There's a group of videos on youtube called Prison Talk hosted by Big Herc that I fully recommend.  Pretty informative view from a guy that's been inside.

Great stuff, I plan on never having to remember em.