HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

so what's up with the random winters? like it's just winter once every few years?

Yah. Summers and winters last years, not months, and the number of years they last vary.

I don't remember it actually being explained, but I just always assumed they were on a planet with an erratic orbit.

Actually, it would be a planet with an erratic wobble. Years are fairly regular - Bran is described as being 7 years old in a Summer that was 9 years long. It is the seasons, which are caused by the orientation of a planet's axis that are irregular.

In a fantasy world where fire and ice and summer and winter are mined so metaphorically, I don't think it's a safe assumption to assume that the seasons are a naturalistic phenomenon understood the way we understand science. I'd wager that if it's explained at all, it would be explained in the context of the conflict between the "two true Gods."

The series gets into Greek type Gods???

Not exactly like a Greek Pantheon but there are lots of competeing religions.In Westeros, the common religions are the old gods and the new gods. The Starks and the North in general worship the old gods. The godswood in Winterfell is where the white tree with red leaves is. It is a sacred grove/forest that all acastles used to have. Most of the weirwood trees (white with red leaves) have been cut down in the South. They are the gods of nature.In the South and East and West they worship the Seven or the new gods. When Caitlyn (Tully) Stark is making that creepy thing for Bran when he is in a coma, it is a 7 pointed star with each of the Seven gods on it-The FatherThe Mother The WarriorThe MaidThe StrangerThe CroneThe SmithThe Greyjoys people from the Iron Islands, Theon is the only one we are likely to meet in season one worship The Drowned God.In Essos across the Narrow Sea they, including the Dothraki(The Great Stallion), worship other gods.The "two true gods" are R'hllor and The Great Other.Get the idea that we have not even scratched the surface of the tip of the ice berg yet?

Damn. That's all fine. When I talk about "Greek" I mean we aren't going to see like their version of Zeus etc. interacting with the people like we do in greek mythology, right?

 

[mad sweeney]

Im trying to not read this thread because I will eventually read the series BUT I missed something in the show and deleted it by accidentIt was the scene where Stark was talking with the Queens brother. Did he say that he was there when Starks parents died in the castle. Did I miss that backstory in one of the other episodes.And I think the Queen of the huns is absolutely stunning

Jaime Lannister was and is a member of the Kingsguard, an elite group of 7 knights who guard the royal family.He was present when the former King Aerys Targaryen (the father of the two Targaryen siblings now with the Dothraki)executed Neds Father (Rickard) and older brother (Brandon). It is actually a little more complicated than a straight execution but let's just call it an execution. I believe a flashback/dream sequence of this event was filmed. Later during the war that put Robert on the throne Jaime assassinated Aerys.

It was more than just an execution. The king was crazed (thus the name Mad King Aerys) and more or less tortured them to death by roasting one of them over a bonfire in the throne room while the other was forced to watch while bound up in such way that his struggles strangled him (I think). It was a little more personal than just having their heads lopped off.

 

[TeamDingo]

Damn. That's all fine. When I talk about "Greek" I mean we aren't going to see like their version of Zeus etc. interacting with the people like we do in greek mythology, right?

We will eventually see some $#!+, it will be much much much much more subtle than what you describe. With out going into spoiler's: a general statement is that the presence of the arcane and the divine increases incrementally each book.

 

[mad sweeney]

so what's up with the random winters? like it's just winter once every few years?

Yah. Summers and winters last years, not months, and the number of years they last vary.

I don't remember it actually being explained, but I just always assumed they were on a planet with an erratic orbit.

Actually, it would be a planet with an erratic wobble. Years are fairly regular - Bran is described as being 7 years old in a Summer that was 9 years long. It is the seasons, which are caused by the orientation of a planet's axis that are irregular.

In a fantasy world where fire and ice and summer and winter are mined so metaphorically, I don't think it's a safe assumption to assume that the seasons are a naturalistic phenomenon understood the way we understand science. I'd wager that if it's explained at all, it would be explained in the context of the conflict between the "two true Gods."

The series gets into Greek type Gods???

Not exactly like a Greek Pantheon but there are lots of competeing religions.In Westeros, the common religions are the old gods and the new gods. The Starks and the North in general worship the old gods. The godswood in Winterfell is where the white tree with red leaves is. It is a sacred grove/forest that all acastles used to have. Most of the weirwood trees (white with red leaves) have been cut down in the South. They are the gods of nature.In the South and East and West they worship the Seven or the new gods. When Caitlyn (Tully) Stark is making that creepy thing for Bran when he is in a coma, it is a 7 pointed star with each of the Seven gods on it-The FatherThe Mother The WarriorThe MaidThe StrangerThe CroneThe SmithThe Greyjoys people from the Iron Islands, Theon is the only one we are likely to meet in season one worship The Drowned God.In Essos across the Narrow Sea they, including the Dothraki(The Great Stallion), worship other gods.The "two true gods" are R'hllor and The Great Other.Get the idea that we have not even scratched the surface of the tip of the ice berg yet?

Damn. That's all fine. When I talk about "Greek" I mean we aren't going to see like their version of Zeus etc. interacting with the people like we do in greek mythology, right?

Spoiler

No, there's no personification of the gods like that, but there is magic and supernatural stuff going on that many may claim is the direct touch of certain gods

These religions also have their historical counterparts. The Old Gods are the pagan gods, The Seven are Christianity (many facets of the same god) and have a bit of a Papal style religious hierarchy/political presence, and R'hllor I think is sort of Muslim oriented with the "One true god"/with us or against us/Great Satan/death for non-submission type of conquest feel to it.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Im trying to not read this thread because I will eventually read the series BUT I missed something in the show and deleted it by accidentIt was the scene where Stark was talking with the Queens brother. Did he say that he was there when Starks parents died in the castle. Did I miss that backstory in one of the other episodes.And I think the Queen of the huns is absolutely stunning

Jaime Lannister was and is a member of the Kingsguard, an elite group of 7 knights who guard the royal family.He was present when the former King Aerys Targaryen (the father of the two Targaryen siblings now with the Dothraki)executed Neds Father (Rickard) and older brother (Brandon). It is actually a little more complicated than a straight execution but let's just call it an execution. I believe a flashback/dream sequence of this event was filmed. Later during the war that put Robert on the throne Jaime assassinated Aerys.

It was more than just an execution. The king was crazed (thus the name Mad King Aerys) and more or less tortured them to death by roasting one of them over a bonfire in the throne room while the other was forced to watch while bound up in such way that his struggles strangled him (I think). It was a little more personal than just having their heads lopped off.

And were Ned's father and brother also members of the Kingsguard? Why were they executed? Only answer this if we missed it already. If we are meant to be in the dark right now, that's cool.

 

[mad sweeney]

Im trying to not read this thread because I will eventually read the series BUT I missed something in the show and deleted it by accidentIt was the scene where Stark was talking with the Queens brother. Did he say that he was there when Starks parents died in the castle. Did I miss that backstory in one of the other episodes.And I think the Queen of the huns is absolutely stunning

Jaime Lannister was and is a member of the Kingsguard, an elite group of 7 knights who guard the royal family.He was present when the former King Aerys Targaryen (the father of the two Targaryen siblings now with the Dothraki)executed Neds Father (Rickard) and older brother (Brandon). It is actually a little more complicated than a straight execution but let's just call it an execution. I believe a flashback/dream sequence of this event was filmed. Later during the war that put Robert on the throne Jaime assassinated Aerys.

It was more than just an execution. The king was crazed (thus the name Mad King Aerys) and more or less tortured them to death by roasting one of them over a bonfire in the throne room while the other was forced to watch while bound up in such way that his struggles strangled him (I think). It was a little more personal than just having their heads lopped off.

And were Ned's father and brother also members of the Kingsguard? Why were they executed? Only answer this if we missed it already. If we are meant to be in the dark right now, that's cool.

It's just backstory that I don't think ruins anything but I'll put it in spoilers just in case

Spoiler

No, they were not. I'll let someone else provide the details because I don't want to screw it up but basically they were ranking members of a family involved with the rebellion against Aerys and there was bad blood even further because Aerys' son Prince Rhaegar had kidnapped Brandon and Ned's sister, Lyanna and she died shortly thereafter under mysterious circumstances. So it was kind of a wartime execution by an insane king over real enemies who only became enemies because he was insane. That's arough gist of it anyways. Aerys killed a lot of people outside of his own House.

 

[TeamDingo]

Im trying to not read this thread because I will eventually read the series BUT I missed something in the show and deleted it by accidentIt was the scene where Stark was talking with the Queens brother. Did he say that he was there when Starks parents died in the castle. Did I miss that backstory in one of the other episodes.And I think the Queen of the huns is absolutely stunning

Jaime Lannister was and is a member of the Kingsguard, an elite group of 7 knights who guard the royal family.He was present when the former King Aerys Targaryen (the father of the two Targaryen siblings now with the Dothraki)executed Neds Father (Rickard) and older brother (Brandon). It is actually a little more complicated than a straight execution but let's just call it an execution. I believe a flashback/dream sequence of this event was filmed. Later during the war that put Robert on the throne Jaime assassinated Aerys.

It was more than just an execution. The king was crazed (thus the name Mad King Aerys) and more or less tortured them to death by roasting one of them over a bonfire in the throne room while the other was forced to watch while bound up in such way that his struggles strangled him (I think). It was a little more personal than just having their heads lopped off.

And were Ned's father and brother also members of the Kingsguard? Why were they executed? Only answer this if we missed it already. If we are meant to be in the dark right now, that's cool.

Ned's father was Lord of Winterfell, Brandon was his heir. It has been hinted at but not yet been revealed but it is not really spoiler, it will be revealed.

Spoiler

The Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen kidnapped Lyanna Stark Ned's sister and Robert baratheon's betrothed, they visit her crypt in the first episode. Brandon comes to the capitol and calls Rhaegar out and Aerys accuses him of treason and threatning the Royals. Rickard demands a trial by combat and Aerys chooses fire as his champion and burns Rickard alive forcing a bound Brandon to watch with a sword just out of reach. As he struggles to reach the sword he is strangled by his bindings.

To tie in with the religion question.They were not members of the Kingsguard. By definiton members of the Kingsguard have always been Knights and as worshipers of the old gods, Starks can not be Knights as there is a religious (Seven/new gods) component to knighthood just as there was a Christian component in Europe.Also the Kingsguard is a sworn brotherhood for life. You give up all claims to land and ever having a wife. So Jaime is not the Lannister heir even though he is the oldest son.

 

[mad sweeney]

Im trying to not read this thread because I will eventually read the series BUT I missed something in the show and deleted it by accidentIt was the scene where Stark was talking with the Queens brother. Did he say that he was there when Starks parents died in the castle. Did I miss that backstory in one of the other episodes.And I think the Queen of the huns is absolutely stunning

Jaime Lannister was and is a member of the Kingsguard, an elite group of 7 knights who guard the royal family.He was present when the former King Aerys Targaryen (the father of the two Targaryen siblings now with the Dothraki)executed Neds Father (Rickard) and older brother (Brandon). It is actually a little more complicated than a straight execution but let's just call it an execution. I believe a flashback/dream sequence of this event was filmed. Later during the war that put Robert on the throne Jaime assassinated Aerys.

It was more than just an execution. The king was crazed (thus the name Mad King Aerys) and more or less tortured them to death by roasting one of them over a bonfire in the throne room while the other was forced to watch while bound up in such way that his struggles strangled him (I think). It was a little more personal than just having their heads lopped off.

And were Ned's father and brother also members of the Kingsguard? Why were they executed? Only answer this if we missed it already. If we are meant to be in the dark right now, that's cool.

Ned's father was Lord of Winterfell, Brandon was his heir. It has been hinted at but not yet been revealed but it is not really spoiler, it will be revealed.

Spoiler

The Crown Prince Rhaegar Targaryen kidnapped Lyanna Stark Ned's sister and Robert baratheon's betrothed, they visit her crypt in the first episode. Brandon comes to the capitol and calls Rhaegar out and Aerys accuses him of treason and threatning the Royals. Rickard demands a trial by combat and Aerys chooses fire as his champion and burns Rickard alive forcing a bound Brandon to watch with a sword just out of reach. As he struggles to reach the sword he is strangled by his bindings.

To tie in with the religion question.They were not members of the Kingsguard. By definiton members of the Kingsguard have always been Knights and as worshipers of the old gods, Starks can not be Knights as there is a religious (Seven/new gods) component to knighthood just as there was a Christian component in Europe.Also the Kingsguard is a sworn brotherhood for life. You give up all claims to land and ever having a wife. So Jaime is not the Lannister heir even though he is the oldest son.

Where did the Stark deaths fall in regards to the timeline of the rebellion?

 

[scoobygang]

These religions also have their historical counterparts. The Old Gods are the pagan gods, The Seven are Christianity (many facets of the same god) and have a bit of a Papal style religious hierarchy/political presence, and R'hllor I think is sort of Muslim oriented with the "One true god"/with us or against us/Great Satan/death for non-submission type of conquest feel to it.

The R'Hallor/Great Other Fire/Ice stuff is clearly a riff on Manichaeism.

 

[Socrates11]

Absolutely loving this show and plan to read the books. Big fan of the Imp, and feel Jon Snow is going to be a major player somewhere down the line. Also see Darseaus, whatever her name is who married the horseclan king, really growing into her role/power.

One of the few shows that makes me impatient to see the next one.

 

[mad sweeney]

These religions also have their historical counterparts. The Old Gods are the pagan gods, The Seven are Christianity (many facets of the same god) and have a bit of a Papal style religious hierarchy/political presence, and R'hllor I think is sort of Muslim oriented with the "One true god"/with us or against us/Great Satan/death for non-submission type of conquest feel to it.

The R'Hallor/Great Other Fire/Ice stuff is clearly a riff on Manichaeism.

I don't know anything really about Manichaeism but from a quick glance it doesn't seem like it was prevalent around the time of the WoRs, not that that excludes it. But his clear allusions to the dominant religions of the times makes me think more of the Muslim conquests than a dying smaller sect. Could easily be an amalgam of both and others to boot. Probably plenty of info on it in the ice/fire forums though. If I'm bored I'll go take a look later.

 

[scoobygang]

I don't know anything really about Manichaeism but from a quick glance it doesn't seem like it was prevalent around the time of the WoRs, not that that excludes it. But his clear allusions to the dominant religions of the times makes me think more of the Muslim conquests than a dying smaller sect. Could easily be an amalgam of both and others to boot. Probably plenty of info on it in the ice/fire forums though. If I'm bored I'll go take a look later.

Yeah, neither was nativist paganism, which predated the Wars of the Roses by over a millenia. You're being way, way too reductive if you think Martin's only influence was the Wars of the Roses. Yeah, that's in there. As is the history of the Borgias during the Italian renassaince. As is the history of Rome(Hadrian's Wall) and the Norman Conquest (Aegon the Great). And of course the strong resemblance of the Dothraki to the Mongols (who hadn't threatened Europe in 150 years by the time of the Wars of the Roses, which is a lot more contemporaneous than the barbarian hordes like the Huns who hadn't threatened Europe for 800 years by then).

 

[mad sweeney]

I don't know anything really about Manichaeism but from a quick glance it doesn't seem like it was prevalent around the time of the WoRs, not that that excludes it. But his clear allusions to the dominant religions of the times makes me think more of the Muslim conquests than a dying smaller sect. Could easily be an amalgam of both and others to boot. Probably plenty of info on it in the ice/fire forums though. If I'm bored I'll go take a look later.

Yeah, neither was nativist paganism, which predated the Wars of the Roses by over a millenia. You're being way, way too reductive if you think Martin's only influence was the Wars of the Roses. Yeah, that's in there. As is the history of the Borgias during the Italian renassaince. As is the history of Rome(Hadrian's Wall) and the Norman Conquest (Aegon the Great). And of course the strong resemblance of the Dothraki to the Mongols (who hadn't threatened Europe in 150 years by the time of the Wars of the Roses, which is a lot more contemporaneous than the barbarian hordes like the Huns who hadn't threatened Europe for 800 years by then).

I'm not being reductive, as the bolded part shows. Paganism has long been associated with Celtic-ness and the British Isles, making it far more prevalent as an older religion of the realm than it might somewhere else.

 

[pantherclub]

Do Dragons ever show up in the books?

 

[mad sweeney]

Do Dragons ever show up in the books?

Spoiler

Yes

 

[TeamDingo]

Where did the Stark deaths fall in regards to the timeline of the rebellion?

just to be safe

Spoiler

http://www.towerofthehand.com/essays/johnny/roberts_rebellion.html

 

[pantherclub]

Do Dragons ever show up in the books?

Spoiler

Yes

thanks

 

[mad sweeney]

Do Dragons ever show up in the books?

Spoiler

Yes

Spoiler

Have you been watching the series? Seen any lingering shots on things that might become dragons, remembering that dragons are the sigil of House Taragryen?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Pantherclub's post isn't very subtle for the spoiler avoiding crowd.

 

[Abrantes]

Pantherclub's post isn't very subtle for the spoiler avoiding crowd.

The spoiler tag in the reply doesn't help much, despite the effort.

 

[mad sweeney]

Pantherclub's post isn't very subtle for the spoiler avoiding crowd.

The spoiler tag in the reply doesn't help much, despite the effort.

I got a little distracted on what was or wasn't in spoiler tags.

 

[Abrantes]

Catching up a bit here. Despite having HBO, I'm forced to download the episodes and watch them later, since the series will only premiere next Sunday down here and I didn't feel like waiting. As a fan of the books, I'm thrilled with the quality of the show so far, and it should only get better as we move away from the need to manage new character introductions and plot points.

This third episode definitely had more to digest. I'm watching the series with my brother, who's new to the story, and while he assures me that he can follow the story, a lot of background and useful contextual details are only mentioned in passing, or not at all. I'm sure it will get worked out in due time.

Love most of the casting and the visuals, but Varys looks and acts nothing like I imagined. With all the descriptions of his powdery, scented presence with numerous rings and jewels, I figured he'd be a lot more ostentatious. His two-faced persona (well, more than two faces, to be accurate) leads me to picture him with a fake smile, but he just seemed grim here. That and the design for the White Walkers are two big things that felt off, though it's mostly just fanboy stuff. I can live with it if the series continues to impress.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Khalisisi means queen in darthraki?

 

[mad sweeney]

Khalisisi means queen in darthraki?

Pretty much. Her husband as Drogo and he is a Khal, a clan chief. His clan is pretty much the biggest badass clan around. Khaleesi is the feminine version but I don't know if it normally means 'queen' so much as 'wife of khal'.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don't know anything really about Manichaeism but from a quick glance it doesn't seem like it was prevalent around the time of the WoRs, not that that excludes it. But his clear allusions to the dominant religions of the times makes me think more of the Muslim conquests than a dying smaller sect. Could easily be an amalgam of both and others to boot. Probably plenty of info on it in the ice/fire forums though. If I'm bored I'll go take a look later.

Yeah, neither was nativist paganism, which predated the Wars of the Roses by over a millenia. You're being way, way too reductive if you think Martin's only influence was the Wars of the Roses. Yeah, that's in there. As is the history of the Borgias during the Italian renassaince. As is the history of Rome(Hadrian's Wall) and the Norman Conquest (Aegon the Great). And of course the strong resemblance of the Dothraki to the Mongols (who hadn't threatened Europe in 150 years by the time of the Wars of the Roses, which is a lot more contemporaneous than the barbarian hordes like the Huns who hadn't threatened Europe for 800 years by then).

I'm not being reductive, as the bolded part shows. Paganism has long been associated with Celtic-ness and the British Isles, making it far more prevalent as an older religion of the realm than it might somewhere else.

Even so, I wouldn't carry the Westeros = Britain thing too far. Martin said that Westeros is about the size of South America and I don't think he meant that in an "it's England on steroids" way. Just the sheer size of the continent makes it possible to have many more climates than an island the size of GB (which is why showing Kings Landing in a more Mediterranean style didn't bother me at all). He's plucked ideas from just about everywhere/time and made more up out of whole cloth. Not that you're doing this, but too many fans seem to be reaching for an overlay in both geography and culture.

 

[shuke]

What is with this "White Walkers" stuff? Was this name for The Others used in the books and I missed it?

Also, what book included the backstory about the mad king killing Ned's father? Did Ned and Jaime actually have that conversation? I don't remember it but have only read the first three.

 

[Abrantes]

What is with this "White Walkers" stuff? Was this name for The Others used in the books and I missed it?

Also, what book included the backstory about the mad king killing Ned's father? Did Ned and Jaime actually have that conversation? I don't remember it but have only read the first three.

The white walkers are the Others, yeah. I only used that name 'cause that's what they've been called in the series so far. Don't think they've called them Others yet.

Spoiler

Jaime tells the story of Ned's father's death to Catelyn in A Clash of Kings in his dungeon. The Ned/Jaime scene wasn't in the books.

 

[parrot]

What is with this "White Walkers" stuff? Was this name for The Others used in the books and I missed it?

"White Walkers" is used in the books though I think they're referred to as "The Others" more often. It's been suggested that the series developers stayed away from calling them "The Others" due to Lost's use of that name.

 

[Mjolnirs]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.

Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

 

[thecatch]

Just plowed through the first book in an embarrassingly short amount of time after being intrigued by the first episode of this series. The way Martin uses short chapters from the perspective of different characters really makes you want to read "just one more chapter." Good stuff.

 

[Vrana]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

Just reading this vague statement made me mad again. Worst chapter ever.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

Just reading this vague statement made me mad again. Worst chapter ever.

Referring to a chapter in a Storm of Swords I assume?

 

[Mjolnirs]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

Just reading this vague statement made me mad again. Worst chapter ever.

Referring to a chapter in a Storm of Swords I assume?

Indeed.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

My books arrived today. Should i start in on them or wait until after season 1 is over?

 

[The Flying Elvis]

My books arrived today. Should i start in on them or wait until after season 1 is over?

I would start them now... You should be able to get through the first three episodes of TV within 150-200 pages I think in the book. You'll catch up and pass it pretty quickly. I just picked the series up about two weeks ago and have read all four of them since. Can't wait til the next one in July.

 

[Chadstroma]

Oh, this is Game of Thrones? I like that title MUCH better than A Song of Fire and Ice.

 

[snitwitch]

My books arrived today. Should i start in on them or wait until after season 1 is over?

You're always better off going to the source material first, if the source material is good.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

Just reading this vague statement made me mad again. Worst chapter ever.

Referring to a chapter in a Storm of Swords I assume?

Indeed.

There's another later on that's almost as bad for me.

 

[mad sweeney]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

Just reading this vague statement made me mad again. Worst chapter ever.

Referring to a chapter in a Storm of Swords I assume?

Indeed.

There's another later on that's almost as bad for me.

Which one?

 

[ScottNorwood]

I think I know what you're talking about

Spoiler

The part where Hot Pie bakes a pie

 

[Uruk-Hai]

As I'm rereading the series I just finished the chapter referred to earlier by others, the one that makes you want to throw the book.Knowing it was coming and seeing it happen in slow motion in the lead up chapters is just brutal.

Just reading this vague statement made me mad again. Worst chapter ever.

Referring to a chapter in a Storm of Swords I assume?

Indeed.

There's another later on that's almost as bad for me.

Which one?

Spoiler

Red Viper vs Gregor

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I think I know what you're talking about

Spoiler

The part where Hot Pie bakes a pie

That's the 3rd one

 

[modogg]

Quick question for you guys who have read the book. I see a lot of posts about some horrible stuff coming up that i presume nobody will want to see, and I am also guessing these are major points in the plot. So do you guys think they will be a part of the show? The reason i ask is because the TV audience and the book audience are different in various ways, and I can not think of many TV series that have had multiple significant tragedies happen to the good guys, and still be able to maintain the TV audience. This series has a good push right, and it seems that by reading this thread that it has been pretty accurate to the book, so do you guys see it straying much from that, or will it need to so that it can survive on TV?

and another good episode tonight. I know someone else mentioned it before, but this is one of the few shows on TV where i get upset when i watch it on Sundays, because now I have to wait the whole week for the next episode.

 

[Drifter]

They won't change the awful things that are going to happen. The Sopranos killed many characters people liked.

 

[Moe.]

I wonder if they'll change the name of the series once season 2 starts.

 

[modogg]

They won't change the awful things that are going to happen. The Sopranos killed many characters people liked.

good point. i was thinking of The Walking Dead when i posted that above, but HBO does take pride on going with ground breaking shows. the Walking Dead may garner a different audience on AMC. i think the guys at the Wall may be in trouble, but as long as they don't kill off Arya too soon i'll be alright

 

[untateve]

Quick question for you guys who have read the book. I see a lot of posts about some horrible stuff coming up that i presume nobody will want to see, and I am also guessing these are major points in the plot. So do you guys think they will be a part of the show? The reason i ask is because the TV audience and the book audience are different in various ways, and I can not think of many TV series that have had multiple significant tragedies happen to the good guys, and still be able to maintain the TV audience. This series has a good push right, and it seems that by reading this thread that it has been pretty accurate to the book, so do you guys see it straying much from that, or will it need to so that it can survive on TV?

and another good episode tonight. I know someone else mentioned it before, but this is one of the few shows on TV where i get upset when i watch it on Sundays, because now I have to wait the whole week for the next episode.

If they want to 'maintain the book audience,' they won't make any significant changes.

 

[mad sweeney]

I wonder if they'll change the name of the series once season 2 starts.

Why would they?

 

[gump]

I didn't really think much of this ep. Maybe the constant buildup of 'what til you see what happens soon' made me think it would be more eventful.

King has an illegitmate son - no surprise

Dany taking over the Targaryen family - no surprise

Snow learning and growing into a leader - no surprise

Liked the ending....Are they really going to kidnap Tyrion and start a war between the Starks and Lannisters?

The horse wench in the tub is smoking.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Started reading the book.