Helmet to helmet hits (1 Viewer)

[GregR_2]

...Apparently they are, because it is an illegal hit. If you hit a WR facemask-to-facemask, it is also an illegal hit. I can't help it that you don't see the point.

That wording is really off and implies the rules are different than they are. It could be illegal to hit a WR or QB facemask to facemask, or it could be perfectly legal. The player being a receiver, or a QB isn't really the determining factors of whether it's a penalty. It's what their situation is at the moment and how you went about hitting them.The determining factors are things like how defenseless the player is, how violent and unnecessary the contact is, whether the defensive player launched himself, whether the defensive player lowered his head to use his helmet as a weapon, etc.You could get called for a penalty for facemask to facemask contact if you launch yourself at a left tackle while he's engaged in a block and unable to defend himself. And you can legally bring down a QB or WR and have your helmets bounce off each others... you just can't do it when either is in a defenseless position. If the QB or WR is running the ball and your facemasks hit on a normal tackle, that isn't a penalty.QB and WR are two of the positions that most often are considered to be in defenseless positions so the most likely to have a hit run afoul. But they aren't alone. A ball carrier who has been held up and his progress stopped, or a player on the ground are other players equally protected by these contact rules.

 

[Hoosier16]

That's not true. Facemask-to-facemask on the QB is a penalty.

I still don't see your point. Are players getting concussions from that?

Apparently they are, because it is an illegal hit. If you hit a WR facemask-to-facemask, it is also an illegal hit. I can't help it that you don't see the point.

Ah, I see now. I was having trouble with the faulty logic. You're saying that if it's illegal, it must cause concussions.

 

[GroveDiesel]

It'd be interesting to see if there was a correlation between the rise of the West Coast Offense and concussions. The WCO relies heavily on the types of passes that tend to lead to big hits on receivers.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Saw a suggestion I agreed with on Twitter. If a helmet to helmet occurs and knocks a player out of a game, the offending player should be removed as well. I know Cribbs wasn't considered a defenseless receiver because he was running with the ball, but he was held up and Harrison took a cheap, unnecessary shot. Then he does it again?

On a day like today, where Cribbs, Massaquoi, Heap, and Jackson all suffer helmet to helmet hits, I hope will serve as a spark to immediately make a move to more seriously protect players.

Harrison isn't even remorseful:

"“I thought Cribbs was asleep,” said Harrison, the 2008 NFL Defensive Player of the Year. “A hit like that geeks you up — it geeks everybody up — especially when you find out that the guy is not really hurt — he’s just sleeping. He’s knocked out, but he’s going to be OK. The other guy, I didn’t hit that hard, to be honest with you. When you get a guy on the ground, it’s a perfect tackle.”

There needs to be a culture change. That's a disgusting and uneducated attitude.

You are delusional.

Me and the certified athletic trainer who has training related to sports concussions are, but your unbiased and enlightened opinion are not delusional. I get it.

 

[bryhamm]

Saw a suggestion I agreed with on Twitter. If a helmet to helmet occurs and knocks a player out of a game, the offending player should be removed as well. I know Cribbs wasn't considered a defenseless receiver because he was running with the ball, but he was held up and Harrison took a cheap, unnecessary shot. Then he does it again?

On a day like today, where Cribbs, Massaquoi, Heap, and Jackson all suffer helmet to helmet hits, I hope will serve as a spark to immediately make a move to more seriously protect players.

Harrison isn't even remorseful:

"“I thought Cribbs was asleep,” said Harrison, the 2008 NFL Defensive Player of the Year. “A hit like that geeks you up — it geeks everybody up — especially when you find out that the guy is not really hurt — he’s just sleeping. He’s knocked out, but he’s going to be OK. The other guy, I didn’t hit that hard, to be honest with you. When you get a guy on the ground, it’s a perfect tackle.”

There needs to be a culture change. That's a disgusting and uneducated attitude.

You are delusional.

Me and the certified athletic trainer who has training related to sports concussions are, but your unbiased and enlightened opinion are not delusional. I get it.

I was talking about the part that I bolded, and nothing else. So your "certified athletic trainer who has training related to sports concussions" is irrelevant.

 

[NinerFan49]

There is a perfect game for you to watch in place of the NFL. It's called soccer. You're welcome.

Really dumb comment.

No it's not. NFL football is an extremely physical and violent sport and every player in the league knew that when the started playing. Perhaps fans who can't handle it should watch another sport rather than push the NFL to continue to pass more rules that further weaken the sport we've loved for decades.

By that line of reasoning (or lack thereof), clotheslining players should still be allowed.Maybe you don't care about players sustaining brain damage, but others do. The idea that there is absolutely no way that anything can be done to make the game less dangerous in terms of preventing dangerous hits to the head is dumb.In today's Monday Night Countdown show, Steve Young made the point that when players go in for the "killer shot" and put their arms in front of them to strike with the forearms first, it's almost impossible for that to result in a helmet-to-helmet hit. It's when players go in to strike with the shoulder near a player's head that you end up getting a lot of H-2-H hits.

 

[NinerFan49]

Ive seen the replay a couple of times. I dont think the defender gave jackson a cheap shot at all? Looks like he hit desean with his helmet and chest into deseans chest.

Uh-huh....and both players got concussions (Jackson's a bad one) from a shoulder to chest hit?

Yes, whiplash can cause a concussion. Even a bad one. Slow mo replays show it was definitely not a direct helmet to helmet hit. Defender's helmet hit shoulder pads at the same time his own shoulder pads hit. There's a very little bit of contact with the helmet on DeSean's but not a hth type of hit. Both players were at full speed straight at each other. No one walks away from any hit like that without damage.

Wrong. I've watched the replay a lot of times. The defender's helmet did hit the receiver's helmet. It probably was not what the defender intended to do. It looked as if he tried to hit with the shoulder first, which he did (so under the current rules, it was not a dirty hit). But after that, his helmet hit the receiver's helmet.