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Help settle a dispute - who has the better record? (1 Viewer)
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Eric
Footballguy
They're equal. A tie is half win, half loss, so Team B essentially has a 6-7 record.
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
Team A. that was easy.
Eric
Footballguy
I'm interested in hearing your logic for this conclusion.
Perfect Tommy
Footballguy
They are equal records. That was easy. There is no other possible answer. I had somebody in my league argue one season that his 9-2-3 was better than my 10-3-1. Needless to say he lost the claim and I beat him in tie breaks.
Perfect Tommy
Footballguy
Actually, your math is off.Team A won 6 of 13, 45.15%Team B won 5 of 13, 38.46%.But of course, that doesn't matter unless your league stipulates that a tie counts as a double loss.thehornet said:
thehornet
Footballguy
ya forgot about the ties. corrected percentages would put both teams at 46.15. gotta go head to head to figure out winner
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bigmurd
Footballguy
Agreed. Team B won 5 +0.5 + 0.5 = 6 total.
Trig2U
Footballguy
In the NFL ties count as one-half win and one-half loss. As a couple of posts have already pointed outy, that translates into both teams having identical 6-7 records (.4615 pct).
Sounds like you need to go to the tiebreaker.
(In my league we count ties as both a win and a loss. In this scenario that would give team B the advantage, with a percentage of .4666).
Sounds like you need to go to the tiebreaker.
(In my league we count ties as both a win and a loss. In this scenario that would give team B the advantage, with a percentage of .4666).
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Neither should make the playoffs so it should not matter.
Actually there is chance that these two plus another could go it is so tight. Next game will decide which of the three go.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
My opinion is most wins is better record, but its really up to the definition in the rule books. If there's not one, that Commish is in trouble.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
There doesn't have to be anything in the rule book for that. I thought everyone knew how ties are calcuated. The records are identical. Common math sense says so.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
But wouldn't more losses be a worse record?Gotta count ties as 1/2 win, 1/2 loss. Records are the same, go to next tie-breaker.
Most people say they are equal.
I believe that Wins are the most important in the entire equation, even more than losses.
This is why I believe that team A is the better team. Although I understand the arguement for them being equal, and I also understand that team A has more losses. Wins are bigger than losses though.
In my mind, Wins>Ties>Losses.
I believe that Wins are the most important in the entire equation, even more than losses.
This is why I believe that team A is the better team. Although I understand the arguement for them being equal, and I also understand that team A has more losses. Wins are bigger than losses though.
In my mind, Wins>Ties>Losses.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
"Better record" = neither (fact)
Better team, up to you to decide
Better team, up to you to decide
And they are right. Both teams are one game below .500. These two teams are tied. It is that way in the NFL, NBA and MLB. No pro sport in this country would send either team anywhere without a tie breaker being utilized.
100% wrong.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
burd
Footballguy
FF is all about scoring more points than your opponent to earn the win ... agreed? If you don't put more weight behind actual wins than "half wins", you're basically punishing Team A for not getting more "half wins" .. whatever that means.in the "real world", a tie is a half a win/loss. but in FF, a tie is a no win/no loss ... that's why they call it a "tie".
Godsbrother
Footballguy
But Team A has scored less than his opponent more times than Team B. Why are you punishing Team B for losing less often?It is a "glass half empty/half full" argument. The two records are equal -- go to the next tie-breaker.burd said:
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I believe that the standings are determined by winning percentage. Therefore, 1-7 is better than 0-0-8. This isnt hockey or soccer. If you havent won a game, you cant be better than a team that has. 6-7 equals winning percentage of 46.15%5-6 equals winning percentage of 45.45%Ties do not factor into winning percentage. You see this in baseball all the time where one team has played more games.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
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Go to the tie breaker
Go to the tie breaker
No, you don't. If you look at the standings and Team A is 80-60 and Team B is 79-59, Team B is ZERO games behind Team A. i.e. they are tied in the standings.
ChromeWeasel
Footballguy
What do your rules say?If you dont have a rule for this, then you should default to the NFL standard. That means its a tie because a tie is 1/2 win and 1/2 loss. Fix your rules in the offseason so this isnt a question.If you do have a rule for this, why are you posting here?Frankly, all the opinions in this thread are worthless. The NFL is very clear about how they handle ties. Unless you want to change their standards you should generally default to what the NFL does.
Team Legacy
Footballguy
The mere fact that there ARE opinions on both sides, presents an opportunity to clear it up in the rules.
There can be NO room for interpretation "Mr. 100% wrong guy" in Fantasy Football, if it's not in the rules, it's broke.
There can be NO room for interpretation "Mr. 100% wrong guy" in Fantasy Football, if it's not in the rules, it's broke.
Why would you not use the clearly defined rules of the sport?? I can see over-riding those rules if the league wants too. But in this case, the rule is clear and specific in every sport out there. It's like having to spell out the fact that the team with the most points wins. It just doesn't pass any sort of logic test.
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
The teams are tied. The owners will have to settle this in the octagon.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Jack Burton
Footballguy
It depends on how you calculate it. team A won 6 of 13 games = 46%. Team B won 5 of 13 games= 38.5 %.your calculating 5 of 11 for team B, why?
shadyridr
Footballguy
Team A lost 7 of 13 (54%). Team B lost 6 of 13 (46%). In other words I dont know why everyone's just focusing on the wins when a loss is the opposite of a win. Why say having more wins is more important? So by saying a team with more wins is better you are also saying the team with more losses is better. Thats nonsense. Getting a win is equally good as getting a loss would be bad. ITS A TIE
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TheAristocrat
Footballguy
Why can't we all agree that we must love each other first before we can debate the important issues of the day. Without love, we'd just be blindly yelling at each other! Spread the joy!
Wow! I am amazed at how todays schools are failing in teaching basic math.Both teams have played 13 games.To get the "winning percentage" for ANY team - you do the following math:1. Divide wins by total games played (Team A (6/13) - 46.15%; Team B (5/13) - 38.5%)2. Divide non-losses by total games played (Team A (6/13) - 46.15%; Team B (7/13) - 53.8%)3. Add the two numbers together and divide by 2 (Team A - 46.15%; Team B 46.15%)This formula is the ONLY way to determine winning percentage. A 6-7 team is better than a 5-6 team, but in this case the team is not 5-6, but rather 5-6-2. You cannot simply ignore the two ties as if they do not exist, or that the team did not play those games.ETA: In keeping with the spirit of the day, have a fabulous and blessed day!!
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bryhamm
Footballguy
For you they don't. In all of professional sports they do.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
99.666% to be exact.Ned said:
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Can't the teams involved come to an amicable agreement on who is the better team? It is just fantasy football, after all.I don't think a schtick has ever grown old as quickly as this one...
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Same record. Like has been said, any other answer is wrong.
toppshelff
Footballguy
Same record. Go to tiebreaker. Did the teams play head to head during the season? Our rules go to this as next decider.
