Henry/ChrisBrown Rankings (1 Viewer)

[diesel7982]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

A committee does nothing for the Titans. They know they arent a playoff caliber team this season. They need to decide whether or not Brown can be "the guy" or whether Henry(if hes dealt for) will need to assume that role. A committee approach will lead to them not having a clear picture of what either RB can do. They might end up with a similar # of carries over the season, but on a game to game basis, it'll be one guy or the other.

 

[Chessmaster]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

No, it's not. Jeff Fisher has never used RBBC. If Brown is too dinged up to play, Henry will start IF HE HAS BEEN TRADED THERE. If Brown is healthy enough to play, he will start and get 20 carries. It's very simple, see??

 

[JohnnyU]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

No, it's not. Jeff Fisher has never used RBBC. If Brown is too dinged up to play, Henry will start IF HE HAS BEEN TRADED THERE. If Brown is healthy enough to play, he will start and get 20 carries. It's very simple, see??

...have I ever said that Brown runs too upright?

 

[LHUCKS]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

No, it's not. Jeff Fisher has never used RBBC. If Brown is too dinged up to play, Henry will start IF HE HAS BEEN TRADED THERE. If Brown is healthy enough to play, he will start and get 20 carries. It's very simple, see??

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team. Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board.

 

[Chessmaster]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

No, it's not. Jeff Fisher has never used RBBC. If Brown is too dinged up to play, Henry will start IF HE HAS BEEN TRADED THERE. If Brown is healthy enough to play, he will start and get 20 carries. It's very simple, see??

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team. Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board.

What is the difference in bringing Henry in this year and Antowain Smith last year?? Both Henry and Smith are semi-productive pound it out backs with little-to-no upside. I'm sure many predicted when Smith was signed last year that it would be RBBC, Smith having come off another decent season for the Pats. I don't see Henry as any different from Antowain Smith last year. He will be the backup.*edit* he (Henry) will be the backup IF he goes there. It isn't close to a sure thing at the moment.

*edit2* And just to note it, the Titans probably considered themselves a contender entering last season. So, if they would have ever gone RBBC, it would have been last season when they had a chance of contending early on. This season is a lost cause almost, so going with a one-year fill in like Henry makes absolutely no sense when you have a possible stud like Brown. LHUCKS, find a new job.

 

[Jason Wood]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYSMike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee. Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.My $0.02

 

[LHUCKS]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings.

Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown.

Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.

I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

No, it's not. Jeff Fisher has never used RBBC. If Brown is too dinged up to play, Henry will start IF HE HAS BEEN TRADED THERE. If Brown is healthy enough to play, he will start and get 20 carries. It's very simple, see??

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team.

Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board.

What is the difference in bringing Henry in this year and Antowain Smith last year?? Both Henry and Smith are semi-productive pound it out backs with little-to-no upside. I'm sure many predicted when Smith was signed last year that it would be RBBC, Smith having come off another decent season for the Pats. I don't see Henry as any different from Antowain Smith last year. He will be the backup.

*edit* he (Henry) will be the backup IF he goes there. It isn't close to a sure thing at the moment.

*edit2* And just to note it, the Titans probably considered themselves a contender entering last season. So, if they would have ever gone RBBC, it would have been last season when they had a chance of contending early on. This season is a lost cause almost, so going with a one-year fill in like Henry makes absolutely no sense when you have a possible stud like Brown. LHUCKS, find a new job.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I see it this way - Henry > A. Smith.

 

[Chessmaster]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I see it this way - Henry > A. Smith.

SLIGHTLY, Henry is better than Antowain Smith. But not by much. Henry isn't young, and he is nothing more than a serviceable, below-average option at this point. When you have a potential fireball like Brown, you don't choose serviceable to below-average options, no matter how injury riddled their past. At least, you don't if you have any brains.

 

[diesel7982]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

Fisher lets the OC call the plays, but that doesnt mean he doesnt dictate personnel and philosophy. Looking at what Fisher has done in the past is EXACTLY what we should be doing at this point.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Between the 2 backs..............I see Chris Brown moving deeper into the the draft while Travis Henry will move up. It'll be similar to how Lee Suggs and Willie Green were in drafts where they'd be drafted in the same rounds as nobody is really sure what to expect.The reason for the moves I have stated is Brown has been drafted the past month or so as a starter. With Henry in Tennessee (speculation), he would no longer be the dominant back, totally RBBC to start the season (obviously one could get hurt). Henry will move up the draft charts because people are concerned about where he's going to be. If he stays in Buffalo.........then he's definately backing up McGAhee. But in Tennessee, or Jax (if Fred's not able to go) he's going to be a lot more involved in the offense. If Henry is falling to far in current drafts, he probably holds some decent value this upcoming season.

 

[jurb26]

Have 2 guys who aren't even on the same team yet ever been discussed this much before?

 

[bagger.]

According to recent news, Tennessee is still the frontrunner for acquiring Henry.

So where would you rank them today if you knew for certain that Henry would be in Tenn for the beginning of training camp?

It would make both pretty poor total yearly point producers, but they should have a nice PPG.I would significantly bump Brown down, most likely out of the top 25. With Henry coming in you are now not only dealing with the risk of Brown losing production to injury, but due to Henry taking production away from him.

The other issue is where you would draft either of them and where their ADP will be.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Have 2 guys who aren't even on the same team yet ever been discussed this much before?

Well, just think if it does, then you'll be prepared way ahead of anyone else. If it doesn't happen.........then it doesn't happen. Back to the drawing board.

 

[919]

According to recent news, Tennessee is still the frontrunner for acquiring Henry.

So where would you rank them today if you knew for certain that Henry would be in Tenn for the beginning of training camp?

Whats your recent news? How recent is it?Can I see a link?

If a Titan, Henry can be an asset

 

[LHUCKS]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS, find a new job.

:11:

 

[diesel7982]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

LHUCKSWhile I don't agree with Jason at all, having watched the Titans/Oilers for the last decade, I wanted to quote this to ask why you are "good posting" Woodrow here when what he said was pretty much contradicting this post:

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team.

Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board

 

[fridayfrenzy]

The dilemma lies in the fact that if the Titans only want Henry as a backup or RBBC back, then thats all they are gong to be willing t opay in a long term contract. Henry is a UFA next offseason and could potentially get more money if he waits, so what does he do? Sign another long term contract where he has to battle all the time to even play or wait in the wings with Buffalo this season and then pounce on a starter opportunity next year. There seems to be much that has to happen before the Henry trade goes through.If I was the Titan's FO, which I am not, I would sign one of the numerous FA RBs like Wheatley, Hearst, Zereoue, George, etc. for cheap and see what Brown can do before the Titans waste more cap money by signing a guy like Henry to add to their backfield.

 

[LHUCKS]

If I was the Titan's FO, which I am not, I would sign one of the numerous FA RBs like Wheatley, Hearst, Zereoue, George, etc. for cheap and see what Brown can do before the Titans waste more cap money by signing a guy like Henry to add to their backfield.

Didn't they try that last year?

 

[LHUCKS]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

LHUCKSWhile I don't agree with Jason at all, having watched the Titans/Oilers for the last decade, I wanted to quote this to ask why you are "good posting" Woodrow here when what he said was pretty much contradicting this post:

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team.

Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board

Because he's making the point that a new OC adds a layer of complexity that can increase the percentage chance that a RBBC prediction comes to fruition.

 

[Chessmaster]

If I was the Titan's FO, which I am not, I would sign one of the numerous FA RBs like Wheatley, Hearst, Zereoue, George, etc. for cheap and see what Brown can do before the Titans waste more cap money by signing a guy like Henry to add to their backfield.

Didn't they try that last year?

Hey Hucks, instead of trying to be cute, why don't you answer diesel's post???? Wood's "good post" was a contradiction to what you have said previously, yet you good post it???Methinks you are just trying to cause trouble....

 

[Chessmaster]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

LHUCKSWhile I don't agree with Jason at all, having watched the Titans/Oilers for the last decade, I wanted to quote this to ask why you are "good posting" Woodrow here when what he said was pretty much contradicting this post:

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team.

Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board

Because he's making the point that a new OC adds a layer of complexity that can increase the percentage chance that a RBBC prediction comes to fruition.

That doesn't change the fact that you stated earlier that Jeff Fisher was the man who would decide whether this would be RBBC. You cannot reverse your stance. So Wood's post about Heimerdinger leaving is irrelevant to YOUR stance, since YOU STATED that it was Fisher who would decide about the RBBC.Are you really a hypocrite, or do you just play one on this board, LHUCKS??

 

[LHUCKS]

If I was the Titan's FO, which I am not, I would sign one of the numerous FA RBs like Wheatley, Hearst, Zereoue, George, etc. for cheap and see what Brown can do before the Titans waste more cap money by signing a guy like Henry to add to their backfield.

Didn't they try that last year?

Hey Hucks, instead of trying to be cute, why don't you answer diesel's post???? Wood's "good post" was a contradiction to what you have said previously, yet you good post it???Methinks you are just trying to cause trouble....

because you're violating the "be excellent" principle....and I did answer his post.

 

[LHUCKS]

That doesn't change the fact that you stated earlier that Jeff Fisher was the man who would decide whether this would be RBBC.  You cannot reverse your stance.  So Wood's post about Heimerdinger leaving is irrelevant to YOUR stance, since YOU STATED that it was Fisher who would decide about the RBBC.

Are you really a hypocrite, or do you just play one on this board, LHUCKS??

welcome to the LHUCKS ignore list. To everybody else, I'm in Houston at firm training and don't have access at night, so I'll pick this up tomorrow morning.

 

[mojorizin]

I'm a bit at a loss to understand why so many are pointing to a RBBC here. Brown, a kid that lit the world on fire before the toe kept him out (heck, even with the toe problem he was nothing but a yardage machine in the first halves he would play). Henry, a guy thats broken his leg TWICE in a year, that was already losing his job to McGahee (bad knee and all) because of subpar performance. Who pays top dollar or a third round pick for a guy in Henry's state? If they were so concerned about Brown, my answer would have come from the draft - not a guy that may be done after 4 years. There are more questions surrounding Henry than there are Brown, for Pete's sake.There has got to be more to this toe injury.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Great, another Henry thread.I've never seen a marginal player recieve so much interest.NFL coaches/management obviously don't think too much of Henry, why does everyone in FF?Off to start a Mike Anderson thread, he blew up a few years ago, he is obviously a pro-bowl caliber stud.

 

[Chessmaster]

That doesn't change the fact that you stated earlier that Jeff Fisher was the man who would decide whether this would be RBBC.  You cannot reverse your stance.  So Wood's post about Heimerdinger leaving is irrelevant to YOUR stance, since YOU STATED that it was Fisher who would decide about the RBBC.

Are you really a hypocrite, or do you just play one on this board, LHUCKS??

welcome to the LHUCKS ignore list.

hrm, I guess you really are a hypocrite, since you can't defend yourself without attacking me.

 

[mojorizin]

That doesn't change the fact that you stated earlier that Jeff Fisher was the man who would decide whether this would be RBBC.  You cannot reverse your stance.  So Wood's post about Heimerdinger leaving is irrelevant to YOUR stance, since YOU STATED that it was Fisher who would decide about the RBBC.

Are you really a hypocrite, or do you just play one on this board, LHUCKS??

welcome to the LHUCKS ignore list.

hrm, I guess you really are a hypocrite, since you can't defend yourself without attacking me.

NewGuy = Fiesty

 

[bostonfred]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

LHUCKSWhile I don't agree with Jason at all, having watched the Titans/Oilers for the last decade, I wanted to quote this to ask why you are "good posting" Woodrow here when what he said was pretty much contradicting this post:

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team.

Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board

It's really not contradictory. LHUCKS' point is that Brown has too much risk, of both RBBC and injury. If you were coming up with a list of pros and cons, it might look something like thisro:

- He's really good when healthy

- Fisher has never used RBBC

Con:

- He's been injured a lot already

- Fisher's non-RBBC past is irrelevant because he's never had two backs this good

- Chow may be the one who decides if it's RBBC anyway, so Fisher's past may not matter

LHUCKS is trying to find the negative case for players so he can avoid busts. When someone cites another negative case, it helps him.

Edit to add: I don't know if LHUCKS has articulated it like that in this or any other Chris Brown thread, but I know him and his posts well enough to know that's what he does. Also, I'm not "defending" LHUCKS - I think he's putting too much stock in a thin case for RBBC when Henry is still on the Bills. But I think people are reaching for points to win in the flame war instead of trying to discuss the pros and cons of Brown.

 

[LHUCKS]

All this discussion about Fisher's tendencies against RBBC misses a fairly major point:

FISHER IS A DEFENSIVE COACH WHO LETS HIS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR CALL THE PLAYS

Mike Heimerdinger wasn't into RBBC, and even that is up for debate because he had Eddie George for most of his time in Tennessee.

Ultimately, IF Travis Henry gets traded to Tennessee, it will be NORM CHOW's tendencies and evaluation of the talent that determines whether it's Brown, Henry or RBBC.

To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong about whether Brown will be the workhorse if healthy, but there seems to be quite a few declarations about Fisher and RBBC that really don't hold that much water IMHO.

My $0.02

LHUCKSWhile I don't agree with Jason at all, having watched the Titans/Oilers for the last decade, I wanted to quote this to ask why you are "good posting" Woodrow here when what he said was pretty much contradicting this post:

That may be Fisher's past, but he's never had both Henry and Brown on the same team.

Different analysis from a different set of factors can result in a different conclusion and expected outcome.

I think the risk for a RBBC would be at an alltime high if Henry comes on board

It's really not contradictory. LHUCKS' point is that Brown has too much risk, of both RBBC and injury. If you were coming up with a list of pros and cons, it might look something like thisro:

- He's really good when healthy

- Fisher has never used RBBC

Con:

- He's been injured a lot already

- Fisher's non-RBBC past is irrelevant because he's never had two backs this good

- Chow may be the one who decides if it's RBBC anyway, so Fisher's past may not matter

LHUCKS is trying to find the negative case for players so he can avoid busts. When someone cites another negative case, it helps him.

Edit to add: I don't know if LHUCKS has articulated it like that in this or any other Chris Brown thread, but I know him and his posts well enough to know that's what he does. Also, I'm not "defending" LHUCKS - I think he's putting too much stock in a thin case for RBBC when Henry is still on the Bills. But I think people are reaching for points to win in the flame war instead of trying to discuss the pros and cons of Brown.

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

 

[LHUCKS]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

 

[Chessmaster]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

LOL, so you ask others for a prediction, but you yourself cannot offer one. Typical LHUCKS.

 

[JohnnyU]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

LOL, so you ask others for a prediction, but you yourself cannot offer one. Typical LHUCKS.

You may be new (or is it another alias?), but I like your style. That was funny.

 

[pigskinliquors]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

Since this entire thread is hypothetical, how about: The Titans sign Henry to a one year deal; and give up a 3rd round pick for him.

League format = standard FBG's

Competition Level = WTF?

Also, assume both Brown and Henry start the season "healthy."

 

[Chessmaster]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

Since this entire thread is hypothetical, how about: The Titans sign Henry to a one year deal; and give up a 3rd round pick for him.

League format = standard FBG's

Competition Level = WTF?

Also, assume both Brown and Henry start the season "healthy."

Unlike LHUCKS, I am not a lemming, so I'll offer my prediction here:Chris Brown, 285 carries, 1400 yards, 9 TDs,

Travis Henry, 100 carries, 390 yards, 3 TDs

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

Since this entire thread is hypothetical, how about: The Titans sign Henry to a one year deal; and give up a 3rd round pick for him.

League format = standard FBG's

Competition Level = WTF?

Also, assume both Brown and Henry start the season "healthy."

Unlike LHUCKS, I am not a lemming, so I'll offer my prediction here:Chris Brown, 250 carries, 1400 yards, 9 TDs,

Travis Henry, 100 carries, 390 yards, 3 TDs

A 5.6 YPC average for Brown. I dont think so.

 

[Chessmaster]

Exactly B-Fred, except for the part I bolded. This thread is based on the hypothetical that Henry ends up in Tennessee, I have not changed my rankings yet and I am not assuming that Henry will end up in Tennessee. I think there is a strong chance, but I'm not assuming. The most recent news suggests that the Titans are still the frontrunner for Henry and I was curious as to where people might rank the two given the hypothetical.

I thought the point of this thread was to see how we would change our rankings IF Henry goes to TN?LHUCKS: can you give firm predictions on where you rank Brown now (including his projected stats) and what you think they'll be IF Henry goes there? You have asked others to do it and it should be the minimum contribution you would make to your own thread.

I can't give a "firm prediction", until I have the hypothetical details of the signing, league format and competition level.

Since this entire thread is hypothetical, how about: The Titans sign Henry to a one year deal; and give up a 3rd round pick for him.

League format = standard FBG's

Competition Level = WTF?

Also, assume both Brown and Henry start the season "healthy."

Unlike LHUCKS, I am not a lemming, so I'll offer my prediction here:Chris Brown, 250 carries, 1400 yards, 9 TDs,

Travis Henry, 100 carries, 390 yards, 3 TDs

A 5.6 YPC average for Brown. I dont think so.

just realized that and changed it.

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

I think Henry comes in to compete but in the final analysis Brown wins out pretty easily. Last year I seem to remember LHUCKS forcasting that A. Smith would give Brown a run for his money, which was, and is, quite a reach. No doubt LHUCKS is very informed and sticks his neck out more than most in his predictions, but he whiffed on that one IMO. Happens to everybody. Henry will certainly bring more skill to the position, but you can't deny what Brown was able to produce before his injury. It's pretty hard to call Brown injury prone based on 1 year as a starter. He was a workhorse in college and was not injury prone then, contrary to popular opinion. If he strings a couple seasons together where injuries affect a consistent performance (like last year) then the tag would be applicable. Not now.

 

[LHUCKS]

I seem to remember LHUCKS forcasting that A. Smith would give Brown a run for his money,

I don't recall saying this. Link?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I seem to remember LHUCKS forcasting that A. Smith would give Brown a run for his money,

I don't recall saying this. Link?

Don't make me go find it.

A. Smith and Stewart are better RBs than Chris Brown...I truly believe that...based on what I've seen in the past two years

I'm not saying Brown wont start the season as the #1, I'm saying there is a good chance he wont start the season as the #1 and even a better chance he wont finish the season as a #1..

 

[LHUCKS]

I seem to remember LHUCKS forcasting that A. Smith would give Brown a run for his money,

I don't recall saying this. Link?

Don't make me go find it.

A. Smith and Stewart are better RBs than Chris Brown...I truly believe that...based on what I've seen in the past two years.

although I can't recall the context I know that I did back off of that statement. A. Smith is certainly more durable, but from a YPC perspective Brown is certainly better. And when I said Brown wouldn't end the season as the #1 I hit the nail on the head. As I've said multiple time before, I was partially correct on Brown and partially incorrect...I personally don't have a problem with that considering muchy of what I said on Brown was months before training camp. My '04 rankings (in my sig) show that before the season started I had Brown ranked about right. Although my Brown ranking may have been a bit high given that he wasn't there when fantasy owners needed him most...during the playoffs.A. Smith in '04

| 2004 ten | 13 | 137 509 3.7 4 | 22 169 7.7 0 |

C. Brown in '04

| 2004 ten | 11 | 220 1067 4.8 6 | 20 147 7.3 0 |

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I seem to remember LHUCKS forcasting that A. Smith would give Brown a run for his money,

I don't recall saying this. Link?

Don't make me go find it.

A. Smith and Stewart are better RBs than Chris Brown...I truly believe that...based on what I've seen in the past two years.

although I can't recall the context I know that I did back off of that statement. A. Smith is certainly more durable, but from a YPC perspective Brown is certainly better.A. Smith in '04

| 2004 ten | 13 | 137 509 3.7 4 | 22 169 7.7 0 |

C. Brown in '04

| 2004 ten | 11 | 220 1067 4.8 6 | 20 147 7.3 0 |

I don't doubt that you backed off that statement cause your rankings from last year show it. I was just providing the evidence that you did in fact say that at one point in time.

 

[Chessmaster]

LHUCKS, just a question.Did your wife cheat on you with Chris Brown?? Because, for an "objective" guy, you sure seem to have quite a bone to pick with this guy for no reason I can tell.

 

[jurb26]

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'll play:

Brown: 220 rushes for 957 yds 7 TD's; 36 receptions for 245 yds 1 TD

= 168.2 points

= RB 21

Henry: 125 rushes for 533 yds 4 TD's; 20 receptions for 135 yds 0 TD

= 90.8 points

= RB 38

edited to add that without Henry, I have Brown as RB 16

As much fun as this thread was, I thought I'd bring it back from the dead.C. Brown's final #'s were:

224 rushes for 851 yds; 25 receptions for 327 yds and 7 total TD's

= 166.8 points

= RB 20

Henry's final #'s were:

88 rushes for 335 yds; 13 receptions for 117 yds and 1 total TD

= 51.2 points

= RB 66

 

[Buckna]

Fun to read this again... I was a believer in Henry in the preseason and much to my chagrin turned out wrong. However the biggest X-factor for me was the substance abuse suspension, I don't think any of us saw that one coming! In hindsight, I still think Chris Brown would of ended up where he did with Henry just a backup...

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I'll play:

Brown: 220 rushes for 957 yds 7 TD's; 36 receptions for 245 yds 1 TD

= 168.2 points

= RB 21

Henry: 125 rushes for 533 yds 4 TD's; 20 receptions for 135 yds 0 TD

= 90.8 points

= RB 38

edited to add that without Henry, I have Brown as RB 16

As much fun as this thread was, I thought I'd bring it back from the dead.

You seem to like doing that today.