Henry/ChrisBrown Rankings (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

According to recent news, Tennessee is still the frontrunner for acquiring Henry.So where would you rank them today if you knew for certain that Henry would be in Tenn for the beginning of training camp?

 

[helix]

I think it depends on if THenry gets the extension that he is looking for. If Tenn signs him to LJordan type money (or close), I would rank him a top 20 RB. At that price he will be the feature RB. However, if there in no extension or it is for next to nothing I would put him in the 30-35 RB range. To me that would indicate they just want him as a backup to the fragile CBrown. THenry could be the largest wildcard in this years fantasy redraft (huge boom/bust)-

 

[mojorizin]

Signing Henry tells me one thing and one thing only - I'm not the only one frightened of Chrissy's toes. If Brown looks good and can continue to make the cuts I won't worry about him at all. That said, I don't take Chris Brown unless owners are scared and he falls to me in the late 3rd/4th Round. If the kid can play without pain, he's one of the most undervalued backs out there - this kid was racking up 100+ yards BY HALFTIME, regardless of how silly he looks running. But I'd rather not take the chance of him leaving a hole in my lineup if the value isnt there.Henry is a handcuff or a late round gamble for me, nothing more.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

You should really change the topic line.Saying "once Henry signs" means its inevitable. Quite misleading to go along with no type of link or news.

 

[LHUCKS]

Signing Henry tells me one thing and one thing only - I'm not the only one frightened of Chrissy's toes. If Brown looks good and can continue to make the cuts I won't worry about him at all. That said, I don't take Chris Brown unless owners are scared and he falls to me in the late 3rd/4th Round. If the kid can play without pain, he's one of the most undervalued backs out there - this kid was racking up 100+ yards BY HALFTIME, regardless of how silly he looks running. But I'd rather not take the chance of him leaving a hole in my lineup if the value isnt there.

Henry is a handcuff or a late round gamble for me, nothing more.

so you would rank Brown around the current FBG consensus and you would rank Henry in the backup range(30-50)??

 

[pigskinliquors]

I'll play:Brown: 220 rushes for 957 yds 7 TD's; 36 receptions for 245 yds 1 TD = 168.2 points = RB 21 Henry: 125 rushes for 533 yds 4 TD's; 20 receptions for 135 yds 0 TD= 90.8 points = RB 38edited to add that without Henry, I have Brown as RB 16

 

[Family Matters]

We're just sepculating so it's too tough to say with out knowing how's he sighned, where he's and if he's signed. Right now, he's got just as good of chance to go Jax if Taylor is indeed injured like the rumors suggest.Back to Tenn, if he's signed for starter money then you have to think Brown's injury is more serious than thought. That should elevate Henry to top 20. Otherwise you could be looking at RBBC. After all someone has to run in the 2nd half.On the other hand, if he's signed to Jax then you have to assume Taylor is out for most of the year or more. That would improve Henry's value to at least top 20.

 

[mojorizin]

Signing Henry tells me one thing and one thing only - I'm not the only one frightened of Chrissy's toes.  If Brown looks good and can continue to make the cuts I won't worry about him at all.  That said, I don't take Chris Brown unless owners are scared and he falls to me in the late 3rd/4th Round.  If the kid can play without pain, he's one of the most undervalued backs out there - this kid was racking up 100+ yards BY HALFTIME, regardless of how silly he looks running.  But I'd rather not take the chance of him leaving a hole in my lineup if the value isnt there.

Henry is a handcuff or a late round gamble for me, nothing more.

so you would rank Brown around the current FBG consensus and you would rank Henry in the backup range(30-50)??

Without question. Actually, if I ended up with two solid backs in the first couple of rounds and news out of Tenn had Brown running full speed, I'd bump the #### out of him and take him as my number 3 without hesitation.I'm not interested in Henry if its determined he's the starter or there is a significant question whether he will be. No the turf toe problem will never go away for Brown, but the fact that Henry hasn't looked good in quite a while and his sticks have a bad habit of snapping in two make him a non-factor for me.

Brown has shown that when healthy, he's a game-breaker. Henry, when healthy, is a good back but he's not going to be challenging the 150 yard barrier in several games like we've seen from Brown. Henry may surprise me and be quite serviceable as the starter, but he doesn't possess the explosivity that makes me giggle my butt off on Sunday.

 

[Jason Wood]

LHUCKS,Interesting question. Ultimately I think it behooves the Titans to run A LOT this year. They have a relatively stable offensive line returning, unproven receivers and a new offensive system. With that in mind, assuming Henry were on the roster, I would probabl project him for about 220-240 carries with minimal work as a receiver, and would slot Chris Brown as another 100 carry back only I would think Chow would utilize him in the receiving game a lot more than currently forecast. Brown, if healthy, is a special talent so it could honestly be an RBBC situation too. However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

 

[pigskinliquors]

LHUCKS,

Interesting question. Ultimately I think it behooves the Titans to run A LOT this year. They have a relatively stable offensive line returning, unproven receivers and a new offensive system. With that in mind, assuming Henry were on the roster, I would probabl project him for about 220-240 carries with minimal work as a receiver, and would slot Chris Brown as another 100 carry back only I would think Chow would utilize him in the receiving game a lot more than currently forecast.

Brown, if healthy, is a special talent so it could honestly be an RBBC situation too. However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

I think a healthy Brown plays the dominate role at TN, while Henry is the back-up; getting approximately one third the carries of Brown. I also don't believe that Henry will be going to TN.

Edited to add that IF Brown's injury is hindering him; you can switch my numbers for Henry and Brown.

my .02

 

[cscmtp]

I have no idea how this will play out. In one dynasty leauge, i have both Chris Brown and Henry as my #3 and #4 RBs. If Henry does get traded to Tennessee, i just hope they don't do RBBC. At least Portis and McAllister are locks for my #1 and #2 RBs...so i'm not TOO worried. And when healthy, both backs are much better than most people seem to remember around here.

 

[diesel7982]

If Henry is dealt for, the Titans will still give Chris Brown a majority of the carries as long as his health isnt detiorating. This stems from wanting to see if Brown can make it through an entire season; whether or not he warrants an extension after this season(he'll be an RFA), and to showcase him in case they do decide to let him go as an RFA by trade or tender offer.Henry, if traded for, will be an insurance policy in the event Brown's health goes south, or if he leaves after the 2005 season. Henry is a known quantity. A solid, but unspectacular runner, who puts the ball on the ground too much but will play through nearly any injury. If Brown doesnt show he can be "the guy" this year, they'll give Henry his money and he'll be the starter in '06. If Brown does show he can be "the guy", Henry will be a backup this year and an UFA in '06.

 

[Family Matters]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Good point. This is why he wants out of Buff. Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?It does happen to players sometimes. It's happened before. Maybe he just refuses to in Buff.

 

[Buckna]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Good point. This is why he wants out of Buff. Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?It does happen to players sometimes. It's happened before. Maybe he just refuses to in Buff.

IMHO, it has more to do with how Buffalo has treated Henry than whether he is willing to take a part time role. Obviously every guy wants to be the starter, but I think he would be willing to go somewhere with a clean slate even if it means maybe being a backup guy.

 

[pigskinliquors]

If Henry is dealt for, the Titans will still give Chris Brown a majority of the carries as long as his health isnt detiorating.

This stems from wanting to see if Brown can make it through an entire season; whether or not he warrants an extension after this season(he'll be an RFA), and to showcase him in case they do decide to let him go as an RFA by trade or tender offer.

Henry, if traded for, will be an insurance policy in the event Brown's health goes south, or if he leaves after the 2005 season. Henry is a known quantity. A solid, but unspectacular runner, who puts the ball on the ground too much but will play through nearly any injury.

If Brown doesnt show he can be "the guy" this year, they'll give Henry his money and he'll be the starter in '06. If Brown does show he can be "the guy", Henry will be a backup this year and an UFA in '06.

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?

Because it's his best option for a substantial amount of playing time.McGahee > Chris Brown

 

[JohnnyU]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Good point. This is why he wants out of Buff. Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?It does happen to players sometimes. It's happened before. Maybe he just refuses to in Buff.

IMHO, it has more to do with how Buffalo has treated Henry than whether he is willing to take a part time role. Obviously every guy wants to be the starter, but I think he would be willing to go somewhere with a clean slate even if it means maybe being a backup guy.

I hope you are right

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Good point. This is why he wants out of Buff. Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?It does happen to players sometimes. It's happened before. Maybe he just refuses to in Buff.

IMHO, it has more to do with how Buffalo has treated Henry than whether he is willing to take a part time role. Obviously every guy wants to be the starter, but I think he would be willing to go somewhere with a clean slate even if it means maybe being a backup guy.

yep, that's part of the equation as well. Henry wants to give the finger to the Bills.

 

[goonsquad]

For a team that supposedly has so little confindence in Brown, Tennessee sure did pass on a lot of solid RB talent in the middle rounds of the draft.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?

Because it's his best option for a substantial amount of playing time.McGahee > Chris Brown

but Chris Brown > Henry

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?

Because it's his best option for a substantial amount of playing time.McGahee > Chris Brown

but Chris Brown > Henry

not when he's on the sidelines on crutches

 

[fridayfrenzy]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?

Because it's his best option for a substantial amount of playing time.McGahee > Chris Brown

but Chris Brown > Henry

not when he's on the sidelines on crutches

Thats the same for any RB. healthy Brown > healthy Henry

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS,

However, Henry doesn't seem well suited for a part-time role.

Why would he thne go to another team to do what he refuses to do in Buff?

Because it's his best option for a substantial amount of playing time.McGahee > Chris Brown

but Chris Brown > Henry

not when he's on the sidelines on crutches

Thats the same for any RB. healthy Brown > healthy Henry

Yes, but Chris Brown is not just "any RB."

 

[fridayfrenzy]

According to recent news, Tennessee is still the frontrunner for acquiring Henry.

So where would you rank them today if you knew for certain that Henry would be in Tenn for the beginning of training camp?

Whats your recent news? How recent is it?Can I see a link?

 

[LHUCKS]

According to recent news, Tennessee is still the frontrunner for acquiring Henry.

So where would you rank them today if you knew for certain that Henry would be in Tenn for the beginning of training camp?

Whats your recent news? How recent is it?Can I see a link?

go to rotoworld...I'm busy at work right now

 

[fridayfrenzy]

LINK

Nothing new.

 

[mojorizin]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks? Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle. His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%. Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago? Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job? Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC? Steal short yardage? Third Downs? What can Henry still accomplish on a football field? Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back. If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap). What's yours?

 

[LHUCKS]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks? Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle. His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%. Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago? Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job? Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC? Steal short yardage? Third Downs? What can Henry still accomplish on a football field? Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back. If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap). What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

 

[wannabee]

Since it is a "Hucks thread about C. Brown, I thought we needed a , or two.Sorry ... could not resist.

 

[mojorizin]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

I understand the question, but I think you already have your mind made up. Every reply you've made makes it pretty obvious you expect Henry to see serious time - why else ask how it changes Brown's ranking (it doesn't)? Why else comment that its the best chance for significant playing time? Why else point out Chris Brown on the sidelines in crutches?You think Henry may have a pretty good year - I wanna know WHY. Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

 

[LHUCKS]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

 

[mojorizin]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

That wasn't a question you insufferable fantasy football elitist boob! Honestly, I don't mean to say that you are running off at the piehole. I just mean in general. The one and only thing that really interests me in this hobby and this forum in particular, is the train of thought used to come to our conclusions. Anyone can say "Player A will have a great year" and have at least a given percentage chance of success. At the same time, that same person may miss on 25 other players. You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

 

[diesel7982]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

 

[JohnnyU]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

I agree and also add that for someone who dislikes Chris Brown so much, he either starts a lot of Chris Brown threads, or posts in them frequently. You would think that any thread with Chris Brown in it wouldn't interest LHUCKS, since he thinks he already knows everything he needs to know about Chris Brown. Of course there is Henry in this thread, so I'm aware that he is of interest to a lot of people, but I'm talking about all the Chris Brown threads that LHUCKS seems interested in.

 

[goonsquad]

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.

The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

 

[LHUCKS]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

 

[LHUCKS]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

I agree and also add that for someone who dislikes Chris Brown so much, he either starts a lot of Chris Brown threads, or posts in them frequently. You would think that any thread with Chris Brown in it wouldn't interest LHUCKS, since he thinks he already knows everything he needs to know about Chris Brown. Of course there is Henry in this thread, so I'm aware that he is of interest to a lot of people, but I'm talking about all the Chris Brown threads that LHUCKS seems interested in.

I don't dislike Chris Brown at all. I find his situations to be the most interesting from a fantasy perspective which is why you find me always discussing him. I find it unchallenging to start an LT thread and talk about how great he is.

 

[LHUCKS]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

wasn't trying to incite at all...calling it like I see it. Read the tone of my posts and the progression of this thread. My tone doesn't change until some of the Chris Brown owners get hot and bothered...it's all right here.I get annoyed when Brown owners derail my topics/threads(which has happened once again), but I have nothing against Chris Brown. This is fantasy football people, not a soap opera. Those that are best at it have objective perspectives.

 

[JohnnyU]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

 

[LHUCKS]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

 

[Chessmaster]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

Exactly. Tennesse has to find out what it can get out of Brown, who definitely preformed well last season. It has no incentive to do RBBC with Henry, a guy with one year left on his contract, who is 28 and at this point has no upside.The Titans aren't going to win this year, so their best bet is to see what they have in Brown so they know how to tender him next year. Giving substantial carries to a 28-year old non-factor isn't a good move at all

 

[diesel7982]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

wasn't trying to incite at all...calling it like I see it. Read the tone of my posts and the progression of this thread. My tone doesn't change until some of the Chris Brown owners get hot and bothered...it's all right here.I get annoyed when Brown owners derail my topics/threads(which has happened once again), but I have nothing against Chris Brown. This is fantasy football people, not a soap opera. Those that are best at it have objective perspectives.

I agree. Thats why I call him Chris Brown, not "Chrissy".

 

[JohnnyU]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

 

[LHUCKS]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

wasn't trying to incite at all...calling it like I see it. Read the tone of my posts and the progression of this thread. My tone doesn't change until some of the Chris Brown owners get hot and bothered...it's all right here.I get annoyed when Brown owners derail my topics/threads(which has happened once again), but I have nothing against Chris Brown. This is fantasy football people, not a soap opera. Those that are best at it have objective perspectives.

I agree. Thats why I call him Chris Brown, not "Chrissy".

Is that what's setting these guys off? sheesh...why don't we bust out our Malibu Barbies and play on the swing set.

 

[diesel7982]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

wasn't trying to incite at all...calling it like I see it. Read the tone of my posts and the progression of this thread. My tone doesn't change until some of the Chris Brown owners get hot and bothered...it's all right here.I get annoyed when Brown owners derail my topics/threads(which has happened once again), but I have nothing against Chris Brown. This is fantasy football people, not a soap opera. Those that are best at it have objective perspectives.

I agree. Thats why I call him Chris Brown, not "Chrissy".

Is that what's setting these guys off? sheesh...why don't we bust out our Malibu Barbies and play on the swing set.

Most likely not. Im just saying for someone feigning objectivity, you aren't masking it well.

 

[mojorizin]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

I assumed it was more based upon the belief that Brown was bound for the injury list than it was Henry's being a physical force (not that this couldn't happen - anything can). Personally, I think a healthy Brown has the very real possibility of cracking the Top 10. During the first half of the season prior to the toe problems he was outperforming nearly every back in the league (two backs that were outperforming him were last shining moments Curtis Martin and Tiki Barber - both of whom I considered aberrations. Even then Barber I dont believe could outrush Brown). The injury bug however makes me avoid Brown unless he's great value. Henry is up around #40, but ends up in the 20s if Brown goes down predraft.

 

[diesel7982]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

This is correct. Fisher will not and has not used a committee when his main back is healthy.

 

[LHUCKS]

Its the thought process that interests me when all of us make our decisions - its the only way to separate skillful analysis and running off at the piehole.

I don't reply to questions of this tone.

You typically have your stuff together for better or worse, thats why I want to know whats going on in your head on this particular decision. We all get just as many wrong as we do right. I want to know WHY. WHY are we wrong on certain players and right on others - is there a way to reduce the wrongs?

OK. Well I haven't made a particular decision in this instance, but if you put a gun to my head at this point in time I'd probably downgrade Chris Brown and rank him around #28 and I'd probably rank Henry around the low 30's. These rankings would be based on player cheatsheets, not projection rankings. Why:

I believe Tennessee would settle on a committee aproach by midseason, with a chance of it happening even earlier. Unless of course Brown comes down with a major injury, or an injury that would cause him to miss a string of games(either of which have a good chance of happening.) In that case Henry would probably grab the vast majority of touches.

Wrong about the committee approach. It's either Brown when healthy, or Henry when Brown can't play. Otherwise, it's Henry on 3rd down (maybe), with the occasional series replacement.

we shall see. I think Brown will most likely be given the opportunity to get 20 carries a game in the beginning of the season, but I would bet against that experiment lasting for long.

I didn't realize that was funny, but you use the emoction in a lot of threads where someone disagrees with you. You are right about one thing, Brown will get 20 carries a game, and like I said, if he gets hurt, Henry gets those carries until Brown is able to play again. Then it's 20 carries a game again for Brown. Oh, I almost forgot.....

I don't at most opinions...just the ones that give me a chuckle.I disagree with the notion that Chris Brown jumps right back into 20 carries a game after coming off of injury. If Henry performs solidly, which I expect he will, I'd say a committee at the very least...this happens every year in the NFL.

Heck, a committe is still a possibility for Week #1 if Brown continues to get dinged up in the preseason.

 

[Chessmaster]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

wasn't trying to incite at all...calling it like I see it. Read the tone of my posts and the progression of this thread. My tone doesn't change until some of the Chris Brown owners get hot and bothered...it's all right here.I get annoyed when Brown owners derail my topics/threads(which has happened once again), but I have nothing against Chris Brown. This is fantasy football people, not a soap opera. Those that are best at it have objective perspectives.

I agree. Thats why I call him Chris Brown, not "Chrissy".

Is that what's setting these guys off? sheesh...why don't we bust out our Malibu Barbies and play on the swing set.

Most likely not. Im just saying for someone feigning objectivity, you aren't masking it well.

Exactly. LHUCKS has an agenda, and that agenda is pumping himself up and trying to make himself feel superior.

 

[JohnnyU]

What's your bottom line here, 'Hucks?  Knowing in advance that you aren't the biggest Chrissy fan out there, what affect are you expecting from the inclusion of Henry?

If we think Brown is a danger to again miss significant time with the toe, he isn't going to play regardless - it doesn't matter if its Travis Henry, Travis Taylor or Travis Bickle.  His ranking plummets upon hearing word that he isn't going to be 100%.  Doesn't make a difference who the heir apparent is, I don't take him.

On the other hand, do you think Henry is going to be capable of playing at the level he was 2 seasons ago?  Do you think he flat overtakes Brown for the job?  Are you predicting Henry to be good enough to cause a RBBC?  Steal short yardage?  Third Downs?  What can Henry still accomplish on a football field?  Are consistent broken legs any more of a risk than turf toe?

My standpoint is already that I take a healthy Brown and don't look back.  If he's not, I avoid Henry unless he's a later round steal (I'll still take him at the right price, no doubt about it - but I'm not going out to get him - he has to fall in my lap).  What's yours?

The point of this thread was to get some perspective on where people will rank Henry and Brown given the parameters I have set...of course the angry Chrissy mob always ensues whenever you talk about him so the point in both the title and my original post has been lost.The question is where will you rank them?

Perhaps if you didnt try to incite them with every post you make about Brown, this wouldnt happen.

wasn't trying to incite at all...calling it like I see it. Read the tone of my posts and the progression of this thread. My tone doesn't change until some of the Chris Brown owners get hot and bothered...it's all right here.I get annoyed when Brown owners derail my topics/threads(which has happened once again), but I have nothing against Chris Brown. This is fantasy football people, not a soap opera. Those that are best at it have objective perspectives.

I agree. Thats why I call him Chris Brown, not "Chrissy".

Is that what's setting these guys off? sheesh...why don't we bust out our Malibu Barbies and play on the swing set.

Most likely not. Im just saying for someone feigning objectivity, you aren't masking it well.

LHUCKS wants to come across as knowledgeable and objective, but can't seem to get out of his own way when it comes to Chris Brown. I finally agree with LHUCKS that Brown seems to be injury prone, thus the reason Tennessee is entertaining the idea of bringing in Henry. However, what LHUCKS doesn't want to admit, is that Chris Brown is a hell of a RB when on the field, and that it is not out of realm of possibility that Brown could stay on the field most of the year. Now he wants to persuade you that if Tenn gets Henry, it's RBBC by God.