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[Andy Dufresne]

The Carolina/first round QB issue will be interesting to watch unfold. We have some quality panther fans on this board that swear on their first born that Carolina will not take a QB in the first, and until I hear differently, I'll defer to them.

Carolina guys swearing on their first borns, eh? Wonder how their sisters feel about that. :badumpbump:

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The Carolina/first round QB issue will be interesting to watch unfold. We have some quality panther fans on this board that swear on their first born that Carolina will not take a QB in the first, and until I hear differently, I'll defer to them.

Carolina guys swearing on their first borns, eh? Wonder how their sisters feel about that. :badumpbump:

Retired from FBG: October 25, 2006(Except for draft talk bad redneck jokes )

 

[Pip's Invitation]

27. Philadelphia Eagles - Sidney Rice - WR - USC

If the Iggles re-sign Stallworth, which I think they will, there's very little chance they take a WR on the first day, much less in the first round. Management likes Brown/Stallworth as the starters and likes the potential of Baskett and Avant. I think it's virtually assured the pick will be on defense, where the needs are much more pressing. Most likely LB or S, but D-Line is a possibility because Reid loves to use high picks there.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

My problem with Johnson being a "once in a lifetime" prospect is that in recent years it seems like one of those types of WR seems to come up every other season. For example, Braylon Edwards, Larry Fitzgerald, and Charles Rogers all got that tag and have obviously had mixed results.

Edwards and Rogers were NEVER categorized that way. And I'd say Fitzgerald has lived up to his end of the deal.

Rogers was, Edwards wasn't.

I guess my memory is bad about Rogers. I don't remember it that way.

I'd agree that Rogers was thought of as a "once in a lifetime" prospect when came out.

 

[-OZ-]

What can I tell you? Most of those guys were drafted too high for their skill level (esp. Terrell, TWill, & MWill) and none have the apparent skill that CJ does.

MWill was considered a "can't miss" WR. The only question at the time was how bad the year off was going to hurt, and that was more of a concern for the short term. Prior to his tactical error (following Clarett), he was discussed in much the same way we now discuss CJ.

 

[-OZ-]

My problem with Johnson being a "once in a lifetime" prospect is that in recent years it seems like one of those types of WR seems to come up every other season. For example, Braylon Edwards, Larry Fitzgerald, and Charles Rogers all got that tag and have obviously had mixed results.

Edwards and Rogers were NEVER categorized that way. And I'd say Fitzgerald has lived up to his end of the deal.

Rogers was, Edwards wasn't.

So to recap, there have been three "once in a lifetime" WRs in the past few years. What's the measuring life here?

 

[kook178]

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What can I tell you? Most of those guys were drafted too high for their skill level (esp. Terrell, TWill, & MWill) and none have the apparent skill that CJ does.

MWill was considered a "can't miss" WR. The only question at the time was how bad the year off was going to hurt, and that was more of a concern for the short term. Prior to his tactical error (following Clarett), he was discussed in much the same way we now discuss CJ.

He was "can't miss" before the layoff. Much less so after.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

So to recap, there have been three "once in a lifetime" WRs in the past few years. What's the measuring life here?

A mosquito, I guess.The only one I considered can't miss was Fitz. But then I wasn't paying as much attention 5 or so years ago like I am now.

 

[Chaos Commish]

What can I tell you? Most of those guys were drafted too high for their skill level (esp. Terrell, TWill, & MWill) and none have the apparent skill that CJ does.

MWill was considered a "can't miss" WR. The only question at the time was how bad the year off was going to hurt, and that was more of a concern for the short term. Prior to his tactical error (following Clarett), he was discussed in much the same way we now discuss CJ.

Ah but Williams never had near the measureables of Johnson. Those hated measureables are far more important than some want to believe.

 

[EBF]

I was always concerned about Mike Williams' speed. I even heard chatter about him being moved to TE. That's not good.

Rogers and Fitzgerald are the only two guys who legitimately had similar hype to CJ2 coming out. Fitzgerald is a star. Rogers is a bust. I think Johnson is closer to Fitzgerald in terms of playing style and personality. There's no evidence to suggest that he has the kind of character problems that cost Rogers his career.

Braylon Edwards was never in the same league as these guys. The reason he went so high is because he was the right player in the right draft at the right time. If he had been in the 2004 draft, he would've gone much lower. Keep in mind that Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, and Carnell Williams were also top five picks in 2005. That says a lot of about the lack of elite players at the top of that particular crop.

 

[diesel7982]

I was always concerned about Mike Williams' speed. I even heard chatter about him being moved to TE. That's not good.

Rogers and Fitzgerald are the only two guys who legitimately had similar hype to CJ2 coming out. Fitzgerald is a star. Rogers is a bust. I think Johnson is closer to Fitzgerald in terms of playing style and personality. There's no evidence to suggest that he has the kind of character problems that cost Rogers his career.

Braylon Edwards was never in the same league as these guys. The reason he went so high is because he was the right player in the right draft at the right time. If he had been in the 2004 draft, he would've gone much lower. Keep in mind that Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, and Carnell Williams were also top five picks in 2005. That says a lot of about the lack of elite players at the top of that particular crop.

Agreed, but thats not to say hes not a great player. We obviously saw some immaturity this season, but for a guy whos had an ACL injury, hes had what you could almost call an Amazing first two years given the level of QB play hes had.

 

[dparker713]

What can I tell you? Most of those guys were drafted too high for their skill level (esp. Terrell, TWill, & MWill) and none have the apparent skill that CJ does.

MWill was considered a "can't miss" WR. The only question at the time was how bad the year off was going to hurt, and that was more of a concern for the short term. Prior to his tactical error (following Clarett), he was discussed in much the same way we now discuss CJ.

MWilliams speed was questioned as soon as he tried to declare for the draft. He was never considered the complete package. As soon as the draftniks got at him they started to pick him apart.CRogers was rated highly, but many teams had Andre Johnson ranked ahead of him. They were both considered very good prospects, but not graded out as high as LFitz. On a totally different topic, is Levi Brown mobile? If Coughlin is staying and the Giants are going to keep their basic offensive philosophy, they'll only be drafting linemen that are able to pull and trap effectively. Their line tends to stay away from massive players and looks for guys that can get out in front of the play and lead block.

 

[Colin Dowling]

My current Excel sheet is as follows...1. Oakland - Jamarcus Russell - QB - LSU2. Detroit Lions - Calvin Johnson - WR - GTech3. Cleveland Browns - Joe Thomas - OT - Wisconsin4. Tampa Bay Bucaneers - Gaines Adams - DE - Clemson5 .Arizona Cardinals - Alan Branch - DT - Michigan6 . Washington Redskins - Teddy Ginn - WR - Ohio State7. Minnesota Vikings - Brady Quinn - QB - Notre Dame8. Houston Texans - Adrian Peterson - RB - Oklahoma9. Miami Dolphins - Brian Brohm - QB - Louisville10. Atlanta Falcons - Reggie Nelson - S - Florida11. San Fransisco 49ers - Patrick WIllis - LB - Missississississississipi 12. Buffalo Bills - Leon Hall - CB - Michigan13. St. Louis Rams - Quintin Moses - DE - Georgia14. Carolina Panthers - Darrelle Revis - CB - Pitt15. Pittsburgh Steelers - Justin Blalock - OT - Texas16. Green Bay Packers - Marshaun Lynch - RB - Cal17. Jacksonville Jaguars - Laron Landry - S - LSU18. Cincinatti Bengals - Amobi Okoye - DT - Louisville19. Tennessee Titans - Jamal Anderson - DE - Arkansas20. New York Giants - Levi Brown - OT - PEnn State21. Denver Broncos - Antoine Cason - CB - Arizona22. Dallas Cowboys - Lamar Woodley - OLB - LSu23. Kansas City Chiefs - Dwayne Jarrett - WR - USC 24. New England Pats - Fred Bennett - CB - USC25. New Orleans - Marcus McCauley - CB - Fresno26. New York Jets - Michael Bush - RB - Louisville 27. Philadelphia Eagles - Sidney Rice - WR - USC28. New England Pats - Quinn Pitcock - DT - OSU29. Indianapolis Colts - Glenn Dorsey - DT - LSU30. Baltimore Ravens - Victor Abiarimi - DE - ND31. Chicago Bears - Paul Poluszny - LB - PSU32. San Diego Chargers - Robert Meachem - WR - UT

This is from post #1.What post # is the updated version?

Nothing updated yet. If I had to note some things that are "off", the most glaring would be that I have Jarrett too low. Frankly, he and Ginn could be in different spots and I wouldn't blink.Woodley's school is wrong. Thanks for pointing that out.I think that Dorsey is a hair low. HE could end up in Philly, KC, or Dallas even.I stand by Calvin going #2. I'd love to see the Titans offer up their 1st, 2nd, and a few more picks (they have 11, IIRC) to get in to Calvin range.

 

[Gr00vus]

32. San Diego Chargers - Robert Meachem - WR - UT

There's a possibility G Chris Dielman leaves SD as a free agent this offseason. What sort of OL options would be available at this pick?

 

[Colin Dowling]

32. San Diego Chargers - Robert Meachem - WR - UT

There's a possibility G Chris Dielman leaves SD as a free agent this offseason. What sort of OL options would be available at this pick?

The options available at 1.32 - assuming Brown, Blalock and Thomas are gone - aren't likely to be noticably better then a round later. Aaron Sears, Doug Free, and Joe Staley are likely to grade out closer to 60th overall then 30th overall. The top two "true" guards - Josh Beekman (BC) and Ben Grubbs (Auburn) are slotted in the 70-80 range overall right now and neither has great size as both are likely to measure at 6'3 or less.

 

[Arm Chair Express]

[4. Backus is being well paid at LT, negating THomas as a selection.

With the 6 guys that have been out hurt on the O-Line this year, why would this pick be negated? Backus is a good but not great player who could be moved to RT to solidify that end. I also think Gaines Adams would be a better pick here. We need a pass rusher more than a receiver. Furrey had a good year in the number 2 spot and the jury is still out on Mike Williams who started getting playing time in the last couple of weeks.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The options available at 1.32 - assuming Brown, Blalock and Thomas are gone - aren't likely to be noticably better then a round later. Aaron Sears, Doug Free, and Joe Staley are likely to grade out closer to 60th overall then 30th overall. The top two "true" guards - Josh Beekman (BC) and Ben Grubbs (Auburn) are slotted in the 70-80 range overall right now and neither has great size as both are likely to measure at 6'3 or less.

While that's true, the talent REALLY tails off after them, so can't you see these guys going higher than they should based on available talent.For example, Staley & Sears have to be considered by the Raiders as an option at 2.1. If they wait until 3.1, they could be dafting some pretty thin talent at the position.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

The options available at 1.32 - assuming Brown, Blalock and Thomas are gone - aren't likely to be noticably better then a round later. Aaron Sears, Doug Free, and Joe Staley are likely to grade out closer to 60th overall then 30th overall. The top two "true" guards - Josh Beekman (BC) and Ben Grubbs (Auburn) are slotted in the 70-80 range overall right now and neither has great size as both are likely to measure at 6'3 or less.

While that's true, the talent REALLY tails off after them, so can't you see these guys going higher than they should based on available talent.For example, Staley & Sears have to be considered by the Raiders as an option at 2.1. If they wait until 3.1, they could be dafting some pretty thin talent at the position.

Compare this to last year, when the Texans were able to wait until the 3rd for Charles Spencer AND Eric Winston.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Compare this to last year, when the Texans were able to wait until the 3rd and Charles Spencer AND Eric Winston.

Man that sucks about Spencer. I feel bad for the Texans with his situation and the Browns for the Bently debacle. They're trying to do the right thing, but Fate hates them apparently.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Compare this to last year, when the Texans were able to wait until the 3rd and Charles Spencer AND Eric Winston.

Man that sucks about Spencer. I feel bad for the Texans with his situation and the Browns for the Bently debacle. They're trying to do the right thing, but Fate hates them apparently.

The football gods hate the Browns, Lions, and Texans, but these teams also bring it on themselves. Spencer was going to be a good one, and was part of a pretty nice draft for the Texans if you overlook the decision to take Williams (who should still end up being a very nice player)

 

[Getinthemix]

Compare this to last year, when the Texans were able to wait until the 3rd and Charles Spencer AND Eric Winston.

Man that sucks about Spencer. I feel bad for the Texans with his situation and the Browns for the Bently debacle. They're trying to do the right thing, but Fate hates them apparently.

The football gods hate the Browns, Lions, and Texans, but these teams also bring it on themselves. Spencer was going to be a good one, and was part of a pretty nice draft for the Texans if you overlook the decision to take Williams (who should still end up being a very nice player)

Was there a setback wtih Spencer? Other than the knee injury at the beginning of the season?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Was there a setback wtih Spencer? Other than the knee injury at the beginning of the season?

It was apparently a terrible injury:Link

Texans rookie Charles Spencer has a metal plate and about eight screws in his knee. The fracture that ended his season after just two starts has healed.

That doesn't mean the Texans will have their starting left offensive tackle back any time soon, though. In fact, what appeared to be a bright NFL future for Spencer is now in question because of cartilage around his knee that was damaged as a result of the injury.

"It's certainly an injury that threatens a guy's career, especially a guy like Spencer," said Dr. Walter Lowe, the team physician who performed Spencer's surgery Sept. 18.

Among the 17 players who landed on injured reserve this season, Spencer has the injury — a fracture of the tibial plateau — that most concerns the Texans. Most fractures of the tibial plateau aren't serious, but Spencer's is unique in the way it occurred.

"We have combed the land as far as athletes go, and it's an injury that's not common," Texans athletic trainer Kevin Bastin said. "Doctors see them, but not in professional athletes. When people jump from a high building and land on their feet, this is what happens."

Spencer was a pleasant surprise during training camp, making exceptional progress and winning the starting job. The Texans were confident they had finally found a young player to take over a position that has been a revolving door since the franchise's inaugural season.

But Spencer was injured against the Indianapolis Colts in Week 2.

"It is like if you would drive a spike through the top of your leg bone and you split the cartilage," Bastin said. "The fracture has healed, but typically there is not blood supply to our cartilage. So that is the concern going forward. When Dr. Lowe brought it back together, were we fortunate enough for that cartilage to continue to survive and live, or did it die off?

"When it dies off, it's gone, and we can't put that back. So that's what we're in limbo with."

It will take another month or so before the doctors can determine how the cartilage is doing. Arthritis could develop on the joint surface, leaving Spencer with an arthritic knee. Some football players continue to play through such pain, but the Texans have taken a number of measures to try to prevent such problems.

Either way, the uncertainty leaves the Texans looking for a left tackle. Coach Gary Kubiak made it clear the team will not go into the offseason expecting any of its injured players to return.

Last offseason, the Texans made the mistake of waiting for running back Domanick Williams (formerly Domanick Davis) to return from a knee injury. They bypassed Reggie Bush in the draft and didn't seek a starter in free agency. Before the season, Williams was placed on injured reserve.

"I'm sure counting on Charles, and I hope he's there ready to go full speed. Because if he is, we're going to be better," Kubiak said. "But we've got to operate assuming that may not happen."

Spencer, who's running on a treadmill in the pool and lifting weights, weighs 320 pounds — more than 30 pounds less than when he started the season.

"This was a big disappointment," Spencer said. "It was kind of a weird fracture. But it happened for a reason. I'll be out there next year."

Lowe and Bastin said Spencer is an exemplary patient, as diligent in his rehab as Kailee Wong was last season when the veteran linebacker underwent two major knee surgeries that threatened his career. Wong beat the odds, returning midway through this season.

"We didn't know Charles well when he had surgery," Lowe said. "He was a young guy, and he's very quiet. But after working with him the past three months, he is every bit as motivated and in tune to his injury as Kailee was.

"Because of that, he has such a better chance to overcome this and return to the field, hopefully in time for the regular season."

 

[Getinthemix]

Thanks Andy

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[Buckna]

As a Texans fan... on that Spencer article.

How far would Quinn fall? Who knows, but I don't think the Texans would take him. QB is a need, but I just get this feeling Kubiak is going to be getting a veteran as a short-term stopgap from somewhere. To be honest, the Texans could go any number of ways with their pick, about the only positions without an immediate pressing need are LB, WR and TE. D'line is a possibility, but we do get Seth Payne back from injury and he's a solid DT when he can manage to stay healthy. The problem is, he can't stay healthy. FS & CB2 are major issues that led directly to us losing a few games last year. RB: everybody knows about.

It still remains to be seen whether Kubiak is a believer in the system generated RB's like Denver or if they simply believed they had a healthy Dominick Davis on the team and didn't need a RB last April.

 

[Gr00vus]

32. San Diego Chargers - Robert Meachem - WR - UT

There's a possibility G Chris Dielman leaves SD as a free agent this offseason. What sort of OL options would be available at this pick?

The options available at 1.32 - assuming Brown, Blalock and Thomas are gone - aren't likely to be noticably better then a round later. Aaron Sears, Doug Free, and Joe Staley are likely to grade out closer to 60th overall then 30th overall. The top two "true" guards - Josh Beekman (BC) and Ben Grubbs (Auburn) are slotted in the 70-80 range overall right now and neither has great size as both are likely to measure at 6'3 or less.

Thanks. What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick? I could see the Chargers bringing in someone to compete with Kiel at SS. Also they may be in the market for an ILB if Edwards leaves and Godfrey retires - Cooper and Wilhelm have been groomed to step into the starting lineup, but they'll need some depth behind them if that happens, if not someone to out and out compete for a starting job.I assume it's your opinion that Meacham would simply be the best player available at that pick, and I could see the Chargers going that way if that's the case, I just wanted to explore what the other options may be.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick?

Interesting question. We've heard of safeties converted to LB before (Urlacher, Thomas Davis in Carolina) but I can't think of a linebacker moved to safety. I wonder if Jon Beason or Earl Everett could play strong. As far as safety prospects, the names that could be available that make sense at that 32 spot the Chargers are in could be Eric Weddle or Michael Griffin (unlikely). They could reach for Brandon Merriweather as the next in a series of guys with black marks on their character that turn out to be studs for the Chargers.

In the 2nd and higher are guys like John Wendling from Wyoming and Aaron Rouse from Virginia.

 

[C & C]

What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick?

Interesting question. We've heard of safeties converted to LB before (Urlacher, Thomas Davis in Carolina) but I can't think of a linebacker moved to safety. I wonder if Jon Beason or Earl Everett could play strong.

I'm not sure of any others, but Carnell Lake moved from LB in college to Safety in the pros.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick?

Interesting question. We've heard of safeties converted to LB before (Urlacher, Thomas Davis in Carolina) but I can't think of a linebacker moved to safety. I wonder if Jon Beason or Earl Everett could play strong. As far as safety prospects, the names that could be available that make sense at that 32 spot the Chargers are in could be Eric Weddle or Michael Griffin (unlikely). They could reach for Brandon Merriweather as the next in a series of guys with black marks on their character that turn out to be studs for the Chargers.

In the 2nd and higher are guys like John Wendling from Wyoming and Aaron Rouse from Virginia.

Quincy Black played the exact same S/LB hybrid position as Urlacher at UNM - he should be an LB in the NFL.

 

[Colin Dowling]

32. San Diego Chargers - Robert Meachem - WR - UT

There's a possibility G Chris Dielman leaves SD as a free agent this offseason. What sort of OL options would be available at this pick?

The options available at 1.32 - assuming Brown, Blalock and Thomas are gone - aren't likely to be noticably better then a round later. Aaron Sears, Doug Free, and Joe Staley are likely to grade out closer to 60th overall then 30th overall. The top two "true" guards - Josh Beekman (BC) and Ben Grubbs (Auburn) are slotted in the 70-80 range overall right now and neither has great size as both are likely to measure at 6'3 or less.

Thanks. What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick? I could see the Chargers bringing in someone to compete with Kiel at SS. Also they may be in the market for an ILB if Edwards leaves and Godfrey retires - Cooper and Wilhelm have been groomed to step into the starting lineup, but they'll need some depth behind them if that happens, if not someone to out and out compete for a starting job.I assume it's your opinion that Meacham would simply be the best player available at that pick, and I could see the Chargers going that way if that's the case, I just wanted to explore what the other options may be.

There are 4 top tier safeties in this draft. One or more should be avail at 1.32

 

[Gr00vus]

There are 4 top tier safeties in this draft. One or more should be avail at 1.32

Andy Dufresne Posted Yesterday, 11:48 AMAs far as safety prospects, the names that could be available that make sense at that 32 spot the Chargers are in could be Eric Weddle or Michael Griffin (unlikely). They could reach for Brandon Merriweather as the next in a series of guys with black marks on their character that turn out to be studs for the Chargers.In the 2nd and higher are guys like John Wendling from Wyoming and Aaron Rouse from Virginia.

Andy gives some prospects here, are there others? Would any of these guys be a potential upgrade over Kiel?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

One thing I find interesting is how we all have these DT's ranked high in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Last year, there was a buzz around the DT's as well. How many went in the first two rounds? Three: Ngata (12), Bunkley (14), McCargo (26). None went in the second.

Where did the other guys go?

3rd

68 Claude Wroten Rams DT Louisiana State

73 Dusty Dvoracek Bears DT Oklahoma

4th

107 Gabriel Watson Cardinals DT Michigan

123 Domata Peko Bengals DT Michigan State

124 Barry Cofield Giants DT Northwestern

134 Kyle Williams Bills DT Louisiana State

133 Orien Harris Steelers DT Miami (FL)

5th

153 Anthony Montgomery Redskins DT Minnesota

169 Jesse Mahelona Titans DT Tennessee

6th

177 Jon Lewis Cardinals DT Virginia Tech

181 Babatunde Oshinowo Browns DT Stanford

182 Montavious Stanley Cowboys DT Louisville

183 Johnny Jolly Packers DT Texas A&M

196 Kedric Golston Redskins DT Georgia

7th

204 LaJuan Ramsey Eagles DT USC

206 Le Kevin Smith Patriots DT Nebraska

212 Fred Evans Dolphins DT Texas State

220 Titus Adams Jets DT Nebraska

225 Chase Page Chargers DT North Carolina

226 Rodrique Wright Dolphins DT Texas

If I remember right, Wroten, Watson, Harris (and I think Mahelona and Lewis) were all projected to go in the 1st or 2nd at one time or another. My point is that either a) this year's crop of DT's are way better than last's, or b) we're doing it again.

Food for thought.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Food for thought.

Only Gabe Watson and Kyle Williams' long falls were particularly surprising, but Watson was a polarizing player anyway. Williams was a steal for the Bills. Anyhoo, this crop is different for two reasons. Primarily, this class is still shallow, but also these "mid round" DTs are "better athletes" than last years. Williams and Watson fell because one wasn't perceived as much of an athlete and the other needed to lose weight. McBean, Alford, Mebane, Tyler are all very explosive athletes in peak condition. Marcus Thomas is Claude Wroten, but a better athlete. McBean is the one who impressed me. I'm guessing you read the thread in the IDP forum. I knew nothing about this guy, watched him once and coveted. I also like that Alford, McBean and Thomas look like excellent (and I mean so excellent they may be better off) at DE in a 3-4. The versatility has to help. No one saw Watson and Williams like that last year. Good stuff Andy. It is food for thought cause it got me thinking.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The best tackle in the draft is Justin Harrell, and whoever snags him in the 2nd round is going to get a big time player. He had a season ending injury (torn pec, IIRC) but has a tremendous motor and a lot of fire to go along with his significant skill set.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The best tackle in the draft is Justin Harrell, and whoever snags him in the 2nd round is going to get a big time player. He had a season ending injury (torn pec, IIRC) but has a tremendous motor and a lot of fire to go along with his significant skill set.

Opinions are all over the board about Harrell. No debating that he's tough as nails though as he played against Florida with a torn tendon in his bicep.

 

[Chaos Commish]

The best tackle in the draft is Justin Harrell, and whoever snags him in the 2nd round is going to get a big time player. He had a season ending injury (torn pec, IIRC) but has a tremendous motor and a lot of fire to go along with his significant skill set.

Opinions are all over the board about Harrell. No debating that he's tough as nails though as he played against Florida with a torn tendon in his bicep.

Harrell needs to put on muscle, and the injury isn't allowing it. He's another very nice athlete at 6-4 and 300, and another nice candidate for that 3-4 DE. But he's soft. He made a couple huge plays, interceptions of all things, in 05, but he wasn't as good as Mahelona in run support or pass rushing. He's just fallen further behind and Mahelona is nothing special. I don't see any reason to think Harrell is. I expect him to bust in camp.

 

[Mister CIA]

What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick?

Interesting question. We've heard of safeties converted to LB before (Urlacher, Thomas Davis in Carolina) but I can't think of a linebacker moved to safety.

Going back a few years, Darren Woodson.

 

[TME]

What would the pickings be like for safties or LBs to be converted to safties at that pick?

Interesting question. We've heard of safeties converted to LB before (Urlacher, Thomas Davis in Carolina) but I can't think of a linebacker moved to safety.

Going back a few years, Darren Woodson.

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