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There was no excuse for how the Jets came out for the Chiefs game last year. Terribly flat, and no injuries to complain about yet. The Jaguars game was another one that New York easily could have won -- they lost in OT.The Ravens game was another example of horrible Herm coaching. The Jets allowed only 13 points to Baltimore, but Edwards' conservative coaching gave the Jets no chance to win that one.
Blanket statements like this are never accurate. You should watch some film of the 2004 Steelers or the 2005 Bears.
How many games exactly did Ben Roethlisberger start/miss in 2004?And how many quarterbacks did the Bears lose exactly? By my count, they lost one, and eventually got him BACK.
I haven't said he's all that good. I've merely stated that he's better than most people (or, more accurately, fans, because he gets respect among NFL people) give him credit for. I also think he has a good shot at being better than #### Vermeil was for the Chiefs. You know, zero playoff wins in one playoff appearance doesn't cut it with me.
You probably don't remember this, but both rookie QBs were expected to be third stringers ala Brooks Bollinger.
I don't think Herm has the Football knowledge Vermiel has in his Pinky.To me, KC was the best and possibly only place Herm could succeed given the Offense already established and defense on it's way - at least the systems were established....
I could care less if he doesn't have any football knowledge, so long as he gets better results than Vermeil did.As stated, that wouldn't be difficult. If and when that day comes, I'm going to care even less about how 'smart' Edwards is.
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not being sarcastic - I just found this funny.But they weren't.The fact remains that the Jets lost their #1 and #2 quarterback to injury. Neither the Steelers in 2004 or Bears in 2005 can stake the claim to going through that experience, which is much tougher than anything they did go through.
From all that I have read during Herm's head coaching tenure, he has a very bad rap from all fans, not just Jets fans.
Huh?
Was Detmer injured or was he selectively replaced? I don't remember.If he was injured, then that's one example, and even then, it's frail. McNabb lead the team to 7 wins and 11 weeks of the season had already been played.
It's simplistic, of course, but it's pretty much how I feel. Carroll was a very good DC for the Jets. He also was a good HC, but I really think the fake spike doomed him in. If that game goes differently, the Jets would have been the favorite to win the division that year. As it was, he was done after that.Carroll won 27 games in three years in NE. The three prior years Parcells won 27 games; the following three years Belichick won 25.
We still have two teams the last two seasons, both who managed to get byes in the playoffs. All I asked for Herm is to not quit on the team and give a run at 8 wins. He had a bad 2005. He had a good 2004. He's an average HC.
I swear I am not trying to be combative. Would you say that about Andy Reid? He had a bad 05 and a great 04 and a good record over the last 4 or 5 years.
I think Reid's a great HC. I didn't watch enough Eagles games to really comment on Reid's 2005 performance. Obviously the team didn't do well. Reid has 54 wins the last five seasons; Edwards has 39. It's not always that cut and dry, but an average of three more wins per season means Reid gets a bit more slack than Herm. Reid also is know as a brilliant offensive mind; Herm doesn't have that reputation or resume.I'll let the Eagles fans chime in on how Reid did in 2005, but he would have had to really bomb to be considered an average HC in my mind.
Hank Stram first 5 years:| 1960 dtx | 8 6 0 | 0 0 |
Carroll should never have been fired. I thought so then, I think so now. that dammed spike game. The Jets weren't fooled, at least the DB's weren't. They just got beat, period. If you look at that tape, it's obvious. That play would have worked, fake spike or not. that game was lost earlier, on that same drive, but spilt beans. Carroll got shafted. He was a good NFL coach. Herm?It's simplistic, of course, but it's pretty much how I feel. Carroll was a very good DC for the Jets. He also was a good HC, but I really think the fake spike doomed him in. If that game goes differently, the Jets would have been the favorite to win the division that year. As it was, he was done after that.Carroll won 27 games in three years in NE. The three prior years Parcells won 27 games; the following three years Belichick won 25.
Obviously Carroll's success at USC has been well documented.
Herm doesn't have the strategic ability of Carroll, but he's really a master motivator. He might be the best in the league. And he's a perfect fit for the college game since he's very into getting to know the players and I'd imagine he'd be an excellent recruiter. Put pom-poms in his hands and he'd be a great cheerleader.
this guy has no clue. He does get players motivated, but his strengths start and end right there. On the flip side, some vets don't like his preacher approach either. I post on a Chief's message board. I am not allowed to post about Edwards. Chiefs fans understandably want to see the glass hal full, but they know better, and realllllly don't want to hear what an idiot Edwards actually is. I understand that. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd want to think Edwards won't screw up the offense, and will improve the D too. But.... he will screw up the offense, and get in Gunther's way, as he tries to make that defense playoff worthy.
this is funny. almost sig-worthy.
what he saidCarroll should never have been fired. I thought so then, I think so now. that dammed spike game. The Jets weren't fooled, at least the DB's weren't. They just got beat, period. If you look at that tape, it's obvious. That play would have worked, fake spike or not. that game was lost earlier, on that same drive, but spilt beans. Carroll got shafted. He was a good NFL coach. Herm?It's simplistic, of course, but it's pretty much how I feel. Carroll was a very good DC for the Jets. He also was a good HC, but I really think the fake spike doomed him in. If that game goes differently, the Jets would have been the favorite to win the division that year. As it was, he was done after that.Carroll won 27 games in three years in NE. The three prior years Parcells won 27 games; the following three years Belichick won 25.
Obviously Carroll's success at USC has been well documented.
Herm doesn't have the strategic ability of Carroll, but he's really a master motivator. He might be the best in the league. And he's a perfect fit for the college game since he's very into getting to know the players and I'd imagine he'd be an excellent recruiter. Put pom-poms in his hands and he'd be a great cheerleader.
You want to group people that think Edwards stinks as bitter Jets fans? Go ahead. In two years, there will be more company.... another million that will learn what a tool Hermie is as a HC.....and they will be Chiefs fans.
Herm is a tool.
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I never said he was Bill Walsh.But given some of the posts in this thread, you'd think he was a rock at the beach. It's a joke.
Good stuff. Need a job?
