Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)

[jurb26]

All I know is innocent people don't go and destroy all their ####! I have no idea what he's guilty of, but I'm pretty sure it's something.

 

[Banger]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

Especially if they weren't scheduled to come clean and he ordered a rush cleaning job.

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

I'm no millionaire with a mansion, but I don't see anything shady about having maids come to your house on Monday's. Of all the days of the week, Monday's makes the most sense. But, it will be easy enough for detectives to find out.

ordinarily no, but the day you are supposedly involved in a murder I'd say it is. If he's openly destroying evidence it doesn't take a big leap to think he would continue along that line and have people clean up any potential evidence in his house.

 

[hammerva]

Everyone in here is a lawyer, judge and jury. lol

This is about to turn nasty after the recent news.

He's guilty as hell but how much time (if any) he actually serves remains to be seen. If OJ can get off then I won't be shocked if Hernandez does.

Hernandez is a gang-banger, not some movie star, who runs through the airport jumping over luggage.

Yeah but a Bristol, CT gang so he should get full support from the network. We all know that Berman is mobbed up

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

How much would it cost to clean room 708 and forget that you ever saw us.

 

[cstu]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

Still all circumstantial. They cant CONVICT on circumstantial evidence. They can sure arrest though. Although it sure gives the police incentive to dig deeper and deeper

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

I think he's Hernandez's cousin.

 

[Rubi]

Sports Illustrated is reporting the "imminent arrest" of hernandez.

It's on their website as "breaking news"

si.com

 

[JaxBill]

Everybody piling on now - Hernandez questioned in 2007 Gainesville shooting as Freshman.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/open-mike/os-mb-aaron-hernandez-gators-patriots-20130620,0,192937.post

 

[PatsFanCT]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

Especially if they weren't scheduled to come clean and he ordered a rush cleaning job.

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

I'm no millionaire with a mansion, but I don't see anything shady about having maids come to your house on Monday's. Of all the days of the week, Monday's makes the most sense. But, it will be easy enough for detectives to find out.

The millionaires with mansions that I know have their house cleaned on Fridays so that it's clean when people come over on the weekends. But they aren't gangbangers.

Well, when I'm a millionaire with a mansion, I'm having maids show up on Monday. I ain't cleaning up after a weekend of partying. But I'll also have them show up on Friday too. Just because I can.

The only weird part of having maids clean the house is who would hire maids to clean up blood spatter? That's why I don't think the maid service is going to have any relevance.

 

[Sinn Fein]

All I know is innocent people don't go and destroy all their ####! I have no idea what he's guilty of, but I'm pretty sure it's something.

You remind me of my mom when she was giving me the belt "You may not have done this, but you've done something"

 

[jurb26]

All I know is innocent people don't go and destroy all their ####! I have no idea what he's guilty of, but I'm pretty sure it's something.

You remind me of my mom when she was giving me the belt "You may not have done this, but you've done something"

Mother knows best.

 

[LuckyOne]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

Still all circumstantial. They cant CONVICT on circumstantial evidence. They can sure arrest though. Although it sure gives the police incentive to dig deeper and deeper

Simply incorrect. Many convictions are based solely on circumstantial evidence.

 

[HellToupee]

When writing about the five-year, $40 million contract extension given to New England Patriots tight end Adrian Hernandez, we briefly touched on the $50,000 donation Hernandez made to the Myra Kraft Foundation, the charity named after the late wife of Patriots owner Robert Kraft, "out of respect for Robert drafting him, [and] for doing his deal two years early."

Turns out, the gesture was far more emotional than we knew. Monday also marked the team's annual Charity Gala, and when Hernandez presented Kraft with the check, it got a little dusty in the room.

"One of the touching moments since I've owned the team -- knowing that this is our charitable gala tonight -- Aaron came into my office, a little teary-eyed, and presented me with a check for $50,000 to go to the Myra Kraft Giving Back Fund," Kraft told Mike Rodak of ESPN Boston. "I said 'Aaron, you don't have to do this, you've already got your contract.' And he said, 'No, it makes me feel good and I want to do it.'

"That made me feel good because part of the thing that we learned early on is that we have a lot of young men who come into this business, and they come from humble financial homes, and part of what we try to do is make them understand is that there is a psychic income involved in giving back both your time and your financial resources, if you can do that."

Hernandez understood the value of that "psychic income."

"He changed my life," Hernandez said of Kraft. "Now I'm able to basically have a good chance to be set for life, and have a good life. I have a daughter on the way, I have a family that I love. It's just knowing that they're going to be OK ... Knowing that my kids and my family will be able to have a good life, go to college, it's just an honor that he did that for me. He gave me this opportunity. The $50,000 to help his foundation, obviously, is basically like saying 'thank you' and it means a lot to me.

"He didn't need to give me the amount that he gave me, and knowing that he thinks I deserve that, he trusts me to make the right decisions, it means a lot. It means he trusts my character, and the person I am, which means a lot, cause my mother, that's how she wanted to raise me. They have to trust you to give you that money. I just feel a lot of respect and I owe it back to him. Not only is it $50,000, cause that's not really, that's just the money that really doesn't mean much, with the amount given, it's more, I have a lot more to give back, and all I can do is play my heart out for them, make the right decisions, and live life as a Patriot."

Hernandez will turn 23 in November -- he's got an amazing future ahead of him in one of the league's most incendiary offenses, and quite a few years in which to enjoy catching passes from a fairly decent quarterback in Tom Brady. But more than the football stuff, Hernandez seemed to grasp a deeper meaning behind the contract extension, which isn't always the case. It's a testament to the culture Kraft has established since he became the team's majority owner in 1994. He had been involved in the franchise's ownership since 1985, but bought out former owner James Orthwein to keep the team from moving to St. Louis. Many thought Kraft overpaid at the time. Now, his $175 million investment seems like one of the more ridiculous bargains in sports history.

Hernandez hopes to be a similar bargain -- he's been inspired not only by Kraft's generosity, but by the spirit behind it.

"This is a place that not only did it change my future from them paying me, but it just changed me as a person," he said. "You can't come here and act reckless and do your own stuff, and was one of the persons that I came here, I might've acted the way I wanted to act, but you get changed by Bill Belichick's way. You get changed by the Patriots' way.

"Now that I'm a Patriot, I have to start living like one, and making the right decisions for them."

 

[cstu]

Everybody piling on now - Hernandez questioned in 2007 Gainesville shooting as Freshman.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/blogs/open-mike/os-mb-aaron-hernandez-gators-patriots-20130620,0,192937.post

Jag's Nelson, 3 Florida players questioned about club shooting

Published Tuesday, October 02, 2007

GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) Jacksonville Jaguars safety Reggie Nelson and three Florida football players have been questioned about a shooting outside a Gainesville nightclub following the Gators' loss to Auburn, police said Monday.

Nelson's agent, Hadley Engelhard, confirmed that Nelson was at The Venue on Saturday night but said he left three hours before the shooting.

"He wasn't even there," Engelhard said. "He knows nothing. He's not a witness. He wasn't involved in any altercation. It's much ado about nothing."

Gainesville police spokesman Sgt. Keith Kameg said Nelson is "not a suspect. He's just a guy we wanted to talk to."

A number of people who witnessed the shooting told officers Nelson was "around the victims throughout the night," Kameg said.

Nelson, an All-American at Florida last season and a first-round draft pick by the Jaguars in April, agreed to meet with police Sunday morning.

Kameg said three Florida players also were questioned, but he declined to release their names.

"Their names came up from people in a crowd," Kameg said. "We wanted to verify some stories."

According to police, Corey Smith, 28, and Justin Glass, 19, were driving in traffic around 2:30 a.m. when a man walked up and started shooting.

Smith was shot in the upper body. Glass was shot in the arm. Their conditions were not immediately available Monday.

Nelson, meanwhile, spoke to the Jaguars about the incident Monday in hopes of setting the record straight. The Jaguars were off Sunday, which allowed Nelson to attend the game in nearby Gainesville.

"Based on the information we have gathered from authorities, Reggie and others, we're confident that Reggie was not involved in the unfortunate incident in which it's reported that two people were shot early Sunday in Gainesville," Jaguars team spokesman Dan Edwards said.

 

[Faust]

Live updates on Aaron Hernandez investigation

 

[ghostguy123]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

Still all circumstantial. They cant CONVICT on circumstantial evidence. They can sure arrest though. Although it sure gives the police incentive to dig deeper and deeper

Of murder, no, but there's enough evidence to prove obstruction and accessory.

obstruction yes. Accessory dont think so. Need real evidence for that

 

[LuckyOne]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

Still all circumstantial. They cant CONVICT on circumstantial evidence. They can sure arrest though. Although it sure gives the police incentive to dig deeper and deeper

Of murder, no, but there's enough evidence to prove obstruction and accessory.

obstruction yes. Accessory dont think so. Need real evidence for that

Still incorrect

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

 

[ghostguy123]

obstruction yes. Accessory dont think so. Need real evidence for that

Still incorrect

Do you have any examples where people were convicted of murder with no evidence or testimony from witnesses who saw the actual crime, or a confession?

If you do, I will be happy to conceed defeat on this point

 

[moderated]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

are you fishing or just completely clueless?

 

[Banger]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

a jury can doubt the evidence and it may not be as strong as physical evidence but they absolutely use circumstantial evidence as pieces to a puzzle that points towards guilt. whether those pieces are strong enough is another matter.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

I haven't read this thread but from living in the area, I don't get the sense there is much support for Hernandez or any significant presence of Hernandez "apologists". Most people seem to believe it looks pretty bleak for him and that he seems to be pretty dumb. Not saying he was involved but with circumstances pushing towards that end of the spectrum it is pretty stupid to be involved in a murder 1 mile from your house with a rental car in your name at the scene.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

You've heard of Scott Peterson, haven't you?

 

[cstu]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

Check out this story - Calvin Harris.

 

[LuckyOne]

obstruction yes. Accessory dont think so. Need real evidence for that

Still incorrect

Do you have any examples where people were convicted of murder with no evidence or testimony from witnesses who saw the actual crime, or a confession?

If you do, I will be happy to conceed defeat on this point

First, you said accessory not murder. Second, Google it and take your pick

 

[Pipes]

Dirtbag.

Give him the chair. No trial.

LOL...Raider fan still bitter about the tuck rule.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

Destroying the phone and surveillance system looks bad, but having maids clean your house Monday makes sense. He has buddies in town for the weekend (which would also explain the multiple car rentals), so he has the maids come in on Monday.

Yep - that was it. lol - Good Lord, a Pats player could walk up, punch an 80 year old nun in the face unprovoked, have the entire thing video taped, and there would be NE fans in here defending him, saying the old lady had it coming. You guys are funny.

My cleaning ladies come on a Monday.

 

[LuckyOne]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

You've heard of Scott Peterson, haven't you?

Big example in textbooks. Also, Timothy McVeigh

 

[Hang 10]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

Especially if they weren't scheduled to come clean and he ordered a rush cleaning job.

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.

And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.

I'm no millionaire with a mansion, but I don't see anything shady about having maids come to your house on Monday's. Of all the days of the week, Monday's makes the most sense. But, it will be easy enough for detectives to find out.

The millionaires with mansions that I know have their house cleaned on Fridays so that it's clean when people come over on the weekends. But they aren't gangbangers.

Well, when I'm a millionaire with a mansion, I'm having maids show up on Monday. I ain't cleaning up after a weekend of partying. But I'll also have them show up on Friday too. Just because I can.

The only weird part of having maids clean the house is who would hire maids to clean up blood spatter? That's why I don't think the maid service is going to have any relevance.

Hernandez: "Hey, could you girls come a little early this week and bring an extra absorbent mop...oh and paper towels...a ####load of paper towels. "

 

[cstu]

There was a murder and Hernandez was there when it happened. Someone is going to be charged for it and Hernandez has done enough suspicious things (destruction of surveillance system/phone and hiring of cleaners) that he's looks like a viable suspect.

I would expect the police to arrest him and try to get him to roll over on the person who did it (if it wasn't him). I don't think there's any way he gets off scot free without being charged unless he signs a deal to testify.

 

[werdnoynek]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

are you fishing or just completely clueless?

I'll take clueless for 10000 Alex.

ETA: To his credit he's stuck to his owner bias throughout this ordeal. I'd be surprised if Hernandez isn't still on his team while he's lock up doing life.

 

[ghostguy123]

OJ case apparently clouding my judgement.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

They tried to convict Casey Anthony on an entirely circumstantial case. They failed, but they knew it was possible to do.

 

[Pipes]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

You've heard of Scott Peterson, haven't you?

Drew Peterson too...that's 2 and we haven't gotten out of the Peterson's yet.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

I would imagine all info on cell phone would still reside on the servers of his provider...so all texts, emails, etc. should still be available. If they don't have them the NSA may....

they have everything

Gotta take it for what is worth since I am some anon dude on the internet but during 2003-2007 I designed and sold technology to each of the major telco's that records every piece of data that comes in and out - from an IP standpoint. They are able to rewind that data over 45 days much like a VCR. Destroying your cell phone does nothing other than to eliminate your current GPS location.

 

[Donnybrook]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

 

[Inspiration]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

Destroying the phone and surveillance system looks bad, but having maids clean your house Monday makes sense. He has buddies in town for the weekend (which would also explain the multiple car rentals), so he has the maids come in on Monday.

Yep - that was it. lol - Good Lord, a Pats player could walk up, punch an 80 year old nun in the face unprovoked, have the entire thing video taped, and there would be NE fans in here defending him, saying the old lady had it coming. You guys are funny.

My cleaning ladies come on a Monday.

Maybe Hernandez has a guy come over every month to smash his cell phone and home security system too?

 

[Hang 10]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

Please let one of them be Tom Brady.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?

Destroying the phone and surveillance system looks bad, but having maids clean your house Monday makes sense. He has buddies in town for the weekend (which would also explain the multiple car rentals), so he has the maids come in on Monday.

Yep - that was it. lol - Good Lord, a Pats player could walk up, punch an 80 year old nun in the face unprovoked, have the entire thing video taped, and there would be NE fans in here defending him, saying the old lady had it coming. You guys are funny.

My cleaning ladies come on a Monday.

Maybe Hernandez has a guy come over every month to smash his cell phone and home security system too?

My guys do that on Thursdays.

 

[Raider Nation]

Dirtbag.

Give him the chair. No trial.

LOL...Raider fan still bitter about the tuck rule.

Either that or I dislike murderers.

 

[jurb26]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

Please let one of them be Tom Brady.

Why, you want the Internet to crash?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

Please let one of them be Tom Brady.

The other is only known by his street name "Hoodie"

 

[PatsFanCT]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

are you fishing or just completely clueless?

I'll take clueless for 10000 Alex.

ETA: To his credit he's stuck to his owner bias throughout this ordeal. I'd be surprised if Hernandez isn't still on his team while he's lock up doing life.

1. It seems you're the clueless one here, because...

2. My "bias" was that everyone jumped on the guilty train as soon as the cops searched his house, creating crazy speculatory circumstances based on absolutely nothing. I was in the innocent until proven guilty party. When it came out that the dead guy was in Hernandez' car, and three of the four ended up back at Hernandez' house, I conceded it wasn't looking good for him, and have my doubts about him getting out of this thing clean.

However, nobody knows what happened, and convicting him in the media on the little information we have is a bit premature.

It's ok to not like me, or the Pats, or any Pats fan, but at least read the comments before you decide to make yourself look like an idiot.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

Please let one of them be Tom Brady.

"You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day"

 

[mikel0254]

Dirtbag.

Give him the chair. No trial.

LOL...Raider fan still bitter about the tuck rule.

Either that or I dislike murderers.

 

[Ignoramus]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

Please let one of them be Tom Brady.

The other is only known by his street name "Hoodie"

I was thinking Tebow, but that's a good answer, too.

 

[Banger]

I would imagine all info on cell phone would still reside on the servers of his provider...so all texts, emails, etc. should still be available. If they don't have them the NSA may....

they have everything

Gotta take it for what is worth since I am some anon dude on the internet but during 2003-2007 I designed and sold technology to each of the major telco's that records every piece of data that comes in and out - from an IP standpoint. They are able to rewind that data over 45 days much like a VCR. Destroying your cell phone does nothing other than to eliminate your current GPS location.

thanks...that's what I figured. Info isn't only kept locally on phone but likely copies, possibly multiple, of everything done on the phone.

 

[[icon]]

What a ####### idiot. If this jackass was stupid enough to pull the trigger I hope they get him for at least 2nd degree and it sticks. Cmon man... you've got life by the balls and you pull this ####? :wallbang:

 

[DaveL]

Have the names of the other two guys Hernandez was with on the night in question been released?

Please let one of them be Tom Brady.

The other is only known by his street name "Hoodie"

I was thinking Tebow, but that's a good answer, too.

Kaiser Soze comes to mind

 

[KellysHeroes]

The Tapes Were Destroyed

- Patriot Way

POTY

didn't the NFL destory the tapes?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.

Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.

are you fishing or just completely clueless?

I'll take clueless for 10000 Alex.

ETA: To his credit he's stuck to his owner bias throughout this ordeal. I'd be surprised if Hernandez isn't still on his team while he's lock up doing life.

1. It seems you're the clueless one here, because...

2. My "bias" was that everyone jumped on the guilty train as soon as the cops searched his house, creating crazy speculatory circumstances based on absolutely nothing. I was in the innocent until proven guilty party. When it came out that the dead guy was in Hernandez' car, and three of the four ended up back at Hernandez' house, I conceded it wasn't looking good for him, and have my doubts about him getting out of this thing clean.

However, nobody knows what happened, and convicting him in the media on the little information we have is a bit premature.

It's ok to not like me, or the Pats, or any Pats fan, but at least read the comments before you decide to make yourself look like an idiot.

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