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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

What a ####### idiot. If this jackass was stupid enough to pull the trigger I hope they get him for at least 2nd degree and it sticks. Cmon man... you've got life by the balls and you pull this ####? :wallbang:
some people are just stupid and can't help themselves. just because he's good at football and a millionaire doesn't mean he's smart.

from these other articles posted it sounds like he's always lived on the edge/over it and because he was good they turned their heads maybe thinking/hoping he'd change.

 
I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.
Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.
are you fishing or just completely clueless?
I'll take clueless for 10000 Alex.

ETA: To his credit he's stuck to his owner bias throughout this ordeal. I'd be surprised if Hernandez isn't still on his team while he's lock up doing life.
1. It seems you're the clueless one here, because...

2. My "bias" was that everyone jumped on the guilty train as soon as the cops searched his house, creating crazy speculatory circumstances based on absolutely nothing. I was in the innocent until proven guilty party. When it came out that the dead guy was in Hernandez' car, and three of the four ended up back at Hernandez' house, I conceded it wasn't looking good for him, and have my doubts about him getting out of this thing clean.

However, nobody knows what happened, and convicting him in the media on the little information we have is a bit premature.

It's ok to not like me, or the Pats, or any Pats fan, but at least read the comments before you decide to make yourself look like an idiot.
I was referring to ghostguy. HTH

 
I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.
Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.
are you fishing or just completely clueless?
I'll take clueless for 10000 Alex.

ETA: To his credit he's stuck to his owner bias throughout this ordeal. I'd be surprised if Hernandez isn't still on his team while he's lock up doing life.
1. It seems you're the clueless one here, because...

2. My "bias" was that everyone jumped on the guilty train as soon as the cops searched his house, creating crazy speculatory circumstances based on absolutely nothing. I was in the innocent until proven guilty party. When it came out that the dead guy was in Hernandez' car, and three of the four ended up back at Hernandez' house, I conceded it wasn't looking good for him, and have my doubts about him getting out of this thing clean.

However, nobody knows what happened, and convicting him in the media on the little information we have is a bit premature.

It's ok to not like me, or the Pats, or any Pats fan, but at least read the comments before you decide to make yourself look like an idiot.
I was referring to ghostguy. HTH
It does. Thanks

 
I don't think he's fishing with that, he's just uninformed.
Seriously?? You can not convict someone of murder without actual evidence. Ever hear of reasonable doubt?? Circumstantial is called that for a reason.
are you fishing or just completely clueless?
I'll take clueless for 10000 Alex.

ETA: To his credit he's stuck to his owner bias throughout this ordeal. I'd be surprised if Hernandez isn't still on his team while he's lock up doing life.
1. It seems you're the clueless one here, because...

2. My "bias" was that everyone jumped on the guilty train as soon as the cops searched his house, creating crazy speculatory circumstances based on absolutely nothing. I was in the innocent until proven guilty party. When it came out that the dead guy was in Hernandez' car, and three of the four ended up back at Hernandez' house, I conceded it wasn't looking good for him, and have my doubts about him getting out of this thing clean.

However, nobody knows what happened, and convicting him in the media on the little information we have is a bit premature.

It's ok to not like me, or the Pats, or any Pats fan, but at least read the comments before you decide to make yourself look like an idiot.
I was referring to ghostguy. HTH
It does. Thanks
:hifive:

 
Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?
Destroying the phone and surveillance system looks bad, but having maids clean your house Monday makes sense. He has buddies in town for the weekend (which would also explain the multiple car rentals), so he has the maids come in on Monday.
Yep - that was it. lol - Good Lord, a Pats player could walk up, punch an 80 year old nun in the face unprovoked, have the entire thing video taped, and there would be NE fans in here defending him, saying the old lady had it coming. You guys are funny.
My cleaning ladies come on a Monday. :shrug:
Maybe Hernandez has a guy come over every month to smash his cell phone and home security system too?
You just gave me a business idea ...

 
They tried to convict Casey Anthony on an entirely circumstantial case. They failed, but they knew it was possible to do.
All the evidence against OJ was circumstantial as well. I believe most murder cases rely on circumstantial evidence since most murderers try not to perform in front of witnesses.

 
I would imagine all info on cell phone would still reside on the servers of his provider...so all texts, emails, etc. should still be available. If they don't have them the NSA may....
they have everything
Gotta take it for what is worth since I am some anon dude on the internet but during 2003-2007 I designed and sold technology to each of the major telco's that records every piece of data that comes in and out - from an IP standpoint. They are able to rewind that data over 45 days much like a VCR. Destroying your cell phone does nothing other than to eliminate your current GPS location.
It would destroy anything on the SD card — pictures of the body, etc.

 
obstruction yes. Accessory dont think so. Need real evidence for that
Still incorrect
Do you have any examples where people were convicted of murder with no evidence or testimony from witnesses who saw the actual crime, or a confession?

If you do, I will be happy to conceed defeat on this point
Here's a case:

The United States case of People v. Scott 176 Cal. App. 2d 458 (1960) held that "circumstantial evidence, when sufficient to exclude every other reasonable hypothesis, may prove the death of a missing person, the existence of a homicide and the guilt of the accused".[9]
More from it:

L. Ewing Scott was convicted of the murder of his wife Evelyn, who disappeared from her home May 16, 1955. He was indicted by the Los Angeles County Grand Jury in October, 1956, for murder, for nine offenses of forgery and four offenses of grand theft. The count charging murder was tried; the others were removed from the trial calendar and were not tried. The trial to a jury resulted in a conviction of murder of the first degree and pursuant to a verdict fixing the penalty appellant was sentenced to life imprisonment. He appeals from the judgment and an order denying his motion for a new trial.

The principal contention is that there was insufficient evidence to establish the corpus delicti. The evidence was wholly circumstantial. It is not claimed that in a trial for murder the death of a missing person and the use of criminal means to accomplish death cannot be proved by circumstantial evidence, provided it is sufficient to preclude every reasonable theory of innocence of the accused. The principle is well established. If it were not so we would have to hold the evidence insufficient to support the verdict.
 
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I would imagine all info on cell phone would still reside on the servers of his provider...so all texts, emails, etc. should still be available. If they don't have them the NSA may....
they have everything
Gotta take it for what is worth since I am some anon dude on the internet but during 2003-2007 I designed and sold technology to each of the major telco's that records every piece of data that comes in and out - from an IP standpoint. They are able to rewind that data over 45 days much like a VCR. Destroying your cell phone does nothing other than to eliminate your current GPS location.
It would destroy anything on the SD card — pictures of the body, etc.
Yeah but he had already uploaded those to Facebook. YOLO!

 
They tried to convict Casey Anthony on an entirely circumstantial case. They failed, but they knew it was possible to do.
All the evidence against OJ was circumstantial as well. I believe most murder cases rely on circumstantial evidence since most murderers try not to perform in front of witnesses.
Anything is circumstantial with enough lies and no eye witnesses. They had OJ on DNA.

 
Prediction: Hernandez is charged with murder and eventually pleads to obstruction of justice. His surveillance video goes the way of Ray Lewis' suit. Unlike Lewis, who got a $250,000 fine from Paul Tagliabue as a first-time offender, Hernandez gets a significant game penalty somewhere between Roethlisburger's 4 gamer for sexual assault (reduced from 6 games) and Donte' Stallworth's indefinite suspension for killing a pedestrian with his car (ended up as one season).

Goodell isn't Tags, so I will put the over/under on Hernandez's suspension at 8 games.

 
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Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?
I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.
Especially if they weren't scheduled to come clean and he ordered a rush cleaning job.
Why would they clean the house Monday? When was the guy shot?
I believe he was killed late Sunday night into the early morning hours of Monday. So, having cleaning crews come Monday Daytime looks pretty suspect to me.
And it should be easy enough to determine when he scheduled the cleaning crew. If it was scheduled Monday morning = suspicious. If he had it set up days or weeks before = just coincidence.
I'm no millionaire with a mansion, but I don't see anything shady about having maids come to your house on Monday's. Of all the days of the week, Monday's makes the most sense. But, it will be easy enough for detectives to find out.
The millionaires with mansions that I know have their house cleaned on Fridays so that it's clean when people come over on the weekends. But they aren't gangbangers.
Well, when I'm a millionaire with a mansion, I'm having maids show up on Monday. I ain't cleaning up after a weekend of partying. But I'll also have them show up on Friday too. Just because I can.

The only weird part of having maids clean the house is who would hire maids to clean up blood spatter? That's why I don't think the maid service is going to have any relevance.
Small amounts of blood that they tracked in on their shoes or left on a faucet handle (as opposed to big, visible splatters if that's what you were thinking). Soil from the site the body was dumped that a lab might be able to trace back to that location. Evidence of other activities, like drug use, that you might want to conceal.

I think one can easily come up with some legitimate ways it might help keep evidence from being uncovered.

 
Prediction: Hernandez is charged with murder and eventually pleads to obstruction of justice. His surveillance video goes the way of Ray Lewis' suit. Unlike Lewis, who got a $250,000 fine from Paul Tagliabue as a first-time offender, Hernandez gets a significant game penalty somewhere between Roethlisburger's 4 gamer for sexual assault (reduced from 6 games) and Donte' Stallworth's indefinite suspension for killing a pedestrian with his car (ended up as one season).

Goodell isn't Tags, so I will put the over/under on Hernandez's suspension at 8 games.
Pretty good prediction. It seems very difficult to nail down celebrities or high profile cases these days.

 
Prediction: Hernandez is charged with murder and eventually pleads to obstruction of justice. His surveillance video goes the way of Ray Lewis' suit. Unlike Lewis, who got a $250,000 fine from Paul Tagliabue as a first-time offender, Hernandez gets a significant game penalty somewhere between Roethlisburger's 4 gamer for sexual assault (reduced from 6 games) and Donte' Stallworth's indefinite suspension for killing a pedestrian with his car (ended up as one season).

Goodell isn't Tags, so I will put the over/under on Hernandez's suspension at 8 games.
Really will depends on what else comes out of the woodwork. I could easily see a full year here - based on this, the florida shooting, and the providence gun incident. Assuming these reports are credible, when you throw in the drug and gang background, the NFL wants no part of this story.

 
MT, have you updated your projections for Hernandez yet?
Upside: Found Not Guilty / Not enough evidence to go to trial

Likely scenario: Cops a deal, cooperates and assists with the investigation re: convicting the triggerman

Worst Case: 25 To Life.

 
Media swarms Hernandez; investigation continues

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League Editor

Three days after a body was found in the North Attleboro, Mass., woods, there are still more questions than answers regarding Aaron Hernandez's connection to a homicide investigation.

The New England Patriots tight end's every movement was tracked Thursday in a dizzying array of speculative reports, with a helicopter chase thrown in.

Yes, the circus arrived near Boston on day three as the investigation picked up steam. Boston news helicopters tracked Hernandez's movements from his home to the Patriots facility, and then to an office building in Boston that houses Hernandez's lawyers. The 24 hour news cycle wants answers in real time, but there's still a mountain of information we don't know. It's impossible to know how long this process could play out.

Despite conflicting reports about Hernandez's potential arrest, local prosecutors reiterated to NFL.com that the case is under investigation. No one has publicly been named a suspect. (Or ruled out.) The police would not confirm or deny any reports about Hernandez.

With so much floating around, here's what we absolutely know about the investigation:

» The body of Odin Lloyd, 27, was found at about 5:30 p.m. on Monday. An autopsy confirmed his death was a homicide, authorities said. Lloyd's family told The Associated Press that Lloyd had connections to Hernandez, although they would not elaborate. Lloyd was a semi-pro football player.

» SI.com reported that a vehicle rented in Hernandez's name appeared to be a key piece of evidence in the case. Authorities also have asked for help finding a silver mirror cover from a vehicle that might be connected to the case. No other information has been released.

» Authorities were seen at Hernandez's residence on Tuesday. SI.com reported that they searched Hernandez's home.

» Michael Fee, a lawyer at Ropes and Gray, released a statement regarding Hernandez and the investigation.

"Out of respect for that process, neither we nor Aaron will have any comment about the substance of that investigation until it has come to a conclusion," Fee said in the statement.

» The Patriots and the NFL both indicated that they do not anticipate commenting publicly on the matter at this time.

» It's unclear who Aaron Hernandez was visiting or why he was at Gillette Stadium Thursday. NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports via a team source that no coaches are present because of vacation. Owner Robert Kraft and other team executives were also not at Gillette. Players are gone. The only people in the building were a few rookies.

» A separate civil suit alleges that Hernandez shot an acquaintance in the face on February 13 in Florida. That suit was re-filed Thursday. More details can be seen here.

» NFL.com's Ian Rapoport obtained on Thursday a May police report from when a New York Jets fan confronted Hernandez in Providence, R.I., and officers were called to disperse the gathering crowd. Hernandez was trying to walk away, the report said, but the man kept taunting him.

While Hernandez was returning to his vehicle, an unknown man was seen dropping a gun under a car. You can read the police report here.
 
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And now FBG's joins the circus with a critical email "update". LOFL
I imagine subscribers would be pretty pissed if Joe didn't send out any info about what is going on with this. There's a lot of them that don't have time to come read the board all the time.
They don't have to read the board. Everybody knows about this. There were ####### helicopters following the guy's every move. We are going to know if his dog has diarrhea.

 
MT, have you updated your projections for Hernandez yet?
No, I don't have a good handle on how many games he should be expected to play. What seems like a reasonable guess to you all?
Assuming he gets bail, I'd guess 16.
I don't do criminal law, but from watching TV, I'm led to believe that the terms of bail generally include not traveling out of the state.

Also, I think murder cases typically go to trial fairly quickly (compared to civil cases), so it might not wait until after the season. (A lot probably depends on what he ends up being charged with. If it's just obstruction, he might be likely to play 16 games minus whatever Goodell suspends him for.)

 
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Though I don't do criminal law either, If he gets bail, he is very likely to get permission to travel out of state for his job subject to a laundry list of conditions.

 
MT, have you updated your projections for Hernandez yet?
No, I don't have a good handle on how many games he should be expected to play. What seems like a reasonable guess to you all?
Assuming he gets bail, I'd guess 16.
Is this plays in 16 games or misses 16 games?

If you are saying plays in 16 games, you don't think he would be suspended after all that's surfaced this week?
It's such a big case that I think Goodell will wait until it done before he suspends him. I could be wrong but it would be very difficult to give the right suspension at this point.

Edit: Goodell waited to suspend Vick indefinitely until after his plea bargain.

 
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MT, have you updated your projections for Hernandez yet?
No, I don't have a good handle on how many games he should be expected to play. What seems like a reasonable guess to you all?
Assuming he gets bail, I'd guess 16.
Is this plays in 16 games or misses 16 games?

If you are saying plays in 16 games, you don't think he would be suspended after all that's surfaced this week?
It's such a big case that I think Goodell will wait until it done before he suspends him. I could be wrong but it would be very difficult to give the right suspension at this point.
They could give him an initial 8 game suspension and add more later. Of course, the additional suspension might night matter if he were in jail. I think it would make the league look bad if a guy up on some sort of murder or conspiracy charges were allowed to keep playing until the trial played out.

 
I dunno, it looks grim, but destroying evidence will only help his side even if it leads to other charges, and I think the fact that there are 2 other guys involved only helps him considering they are most likely his friends. They admit to the crime and do the hard time while Hernandez dolls out a nice payout.

 
What's weird is that he doesn't look like a thug.
Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Dude is covered in tats.

I never realized he was such a thug, but now it makes more sense why he fell in the draft. I'm sure teams that looked into his character realized he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

 
Almost no chance he plays this year.
This is where I see it at this point. Too much stuff pointing to his involvement for Goodell to look the other way and have the NFL "shield" sullied every week by having Hernandez on the field. Too much to stomach for him. I don't see any way Hernandez plays while this process plays out.

 
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I would imagine all info on cell phone would still reside on the servers of his provider...so all texts, emails, etc. should still be available. If they don't have them the NSA may....
they have everything
Gotta take it for what is worth since I am some anon dude on the internet but during 2003-2007 I designed and sold technology to each of the major telco's that records every piece of data that comes in and out - from an IP standpoint. They are able to rewind that data over 45 days much like a VCR. Destroying your cell phone does nothing other than to eliminate your current GPS location.
It would destroy anything on the SD card — pictures of the body, etc.
True - but you better soak that SD card in some acid/soda or it will be completely recover-able. Additionally everything does not use an SD card.

 
MT, have you updated your projections for Hernandez yet?
No, I don't have a good handle on how many games he should be expected to play. What seems like a reasonable guess to you all?
Assuming he gets bail, I'd guess 16.
Is this plays in 16 games or misses 16 games?

If you are saying plays in 16 games, you don't think he would be suspended after all that's surfaced this week?
It's such a big case that I think Goodell will wait until it done before he suspends him. I could be wrong but it would be very difficult to give the right suspension at this point.
They could give him an initial 8 game suspension and add more later. Of course, the additional suspension might night matter if he were in jail. I think it would make the league look bad if a guy up on some sort of murder or conspiracy charges were allowed to keep playing until the trial played out.
I think they'd suspend him indefinitely, as was done with Vick, and then be able to end it whenever if circumstances warrant.

 
Almost no chance he plays this year. again
Dude broke his cellphone, destroyed his home surveillance system, and had his home scrubbed. #waitingforalltheevidencetocomeout but that screams guilty.
Problem is if he did a good enough job at all of those things guilty can scream all it wants. They have circumstantial evidence and a possible obstruction charge, and I'm not sure you can get obstruction for doing things prior to being contacted (hence why you shred everything before the police arrive).

 

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