Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

Since a person is dead and we only know of a warrant served on Hernandez's home, I'm gonna go with murder, accessory to murder, or something along those lines.

- A body shot in the back of the head and his car one mile from the crime scene.

- His destroyed surveillance recording and phone as well as the hiring of a cleaning crew the morning after the murder.

- Video of men walking into his home between 3 and 3:30 am.

There's enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. I imagine the police have a lot more evidence that we don't know about yet.

Or... Lloyd had his own car from Aaron and he was out buying drugs for them. Deal goes sour drug dealer or someone kills him for the money, Aaron doesn't want evidence that he was sent out to buy drugs for the group with Aaron's money. But if that is the case he just made it a LOT harder to be proven innocent. There are a few scenario where I could see Hernandez being innocent. not gonna go on a tangent with them, just know there is still a small hope that he won't be guilty of murder, or even possibly obstruction. Don't say 100% chance he goes to jail, because that stat is 100% false! I would say until we know more there is no 100% way to be certain he shot the guy, and since he possibly destroyed the videos before they were searching him, it could possibly not hold up as obstruction... I am holding him on my dynasty holding onto that small grain of hope until I hear more... Would suck to have dropped him then have one of the goon friends confess the next day/week/month and have someone snatch him off of waivers before you can. Depending on roster size i can see how in some leagues it may be necessary to cut him, but in large roster leagues and, especially, in dynasty leagues... What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is that not the way it works around here now?

"innocent until proven guilty" is second only to "Freedom of Speech" as the most misued legal principal by the general public in discussions,

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principal that applies only for the purposes of the criminal trial. It is a legal standard/assumption that the defendant is "innocent" in a criminal proceeding until the State proves "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he is guilty. The jury is instructed to assume the defendant is innocent - it is only a protection from a wrongful conviction - until proven otherwise.

It has nothing to do with the court of public opinion or a message board discussion or whether Hernandez is in fact actually innocent or guilty at the present time in reality.

It's fairly obvious based on what has been reported that Hernandez is heavily involved here. Any outlandish defenses being offered are not plausible. This of course doesn't mean he'll ultimately be found guilty of anything here - but it doesn't look good right now.

 

[Banemorth]

The player hasn’t left the house since returning from a meeting with his lawyer on Friday. Two women departed in the late morning, returning in the middle of the afternoon. Another woman arrived roughly 45 minutes later, and all three left at 5:20 p.m. — taking with them a dog.

Sounds like Hernendez is planning to be away from home for awhile...

Hey look! A real update!

Yeah it sounds like he's getting his affairs in order here.

 

[Phenix]

ghostguy -> please do everyone a favor and stop.

May as well. hernandez is going to prison, football career over.

Why is anyone even following this thread anymore?? It's done, prison, career, all of it.

Peace

Ghostguy never does anything wrong, its always others.

Since a person is dead and we only know of a warrant served on Hernandez's home, I'm gonna go with murder, accessory to murder, or something along those lines.

- A body shot in the back of the head and his car one mile from the crime scene.

- His destroyed surveillance recording and phone as well as the hiring of a cleaning crew the morning after the murder.

- Video of men walking into his home between 3 and 3:30 am.

There's enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. I imagine the police have a lot more evidence that we don't know about yet.

Or... Lloyd had his own car from Aaron and he was out buying drugs for them. Deal goes sour drug dealer or someone kills him for the money, Aaron doesn't want evidence that he was sent out to buy drugs for the group with Aaron's money. But if that is the case he just made it a LOT harder to be proven innocent. There are a few scenario where I could see Hernandez being innocent. not gonna go on a tangent with them, just know there is still a small hope that he won't be guilty of murder, or even possibly obstruction. Don't say 100% chance he goes to jail, because that stat is 100% false! I would say until we know more there is no 100% way to be certain he shot the guy, and since he possibly destroyed the videos before they were searching him, it could possibly not hold up as obstruction... I am holding him on my dynasty holding onto that small grain of hope until I hear more... Would suck to have dropped him then have one of the goon friends confess the next day/week/month and have someone snatch him off of waivers before you can. Depending on roster size i can see how in some leagues it may be necessary to cut him, but in large roster leagues and, especially, in dynasty leagues... What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is that not the way it works around here now?

"innocent until proven guilty" is second only to "Freedom of Speech" as the most misued legal principal by the general public in discussions,

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principal that applies only for the purposes of the criminal trial. It is a legal standard/assumption that the defendant is "innocent" in a criminal proceeding until the State proves "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he is guilty. The jury is instructed to assume the defendant is innocent - it is only a protection from a wrongful conviction - until proven otherwise.

It has nothing to do with the court of public opinion or a message board discussion or whether Hernandez is in fact actually innocent or guilty at the present time in reality.

It's fairly obvious based on what has been reported that Hernandez is heavily involved here. Any outlandish defenses being offered are not plausible. This of course doesn't mean he'll ultimately be found guilty of anything here - but it doesn't look good right now.

Wrong, the right to have guns is #1. You know since the law was clearly made when we had militia and muskets

 

[KCitons]

Here is some news.

‏@kathrynsotnik10m

Developing---MA state police suiting up to enter a body of water near Aaron Hernandez home. pic.twitter.com/JeHk3oYuWT

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Where's that great overhead image of Hernandez's house in relation to the industrial park? Seems like it would be good enough to ID the body of water, but I can't find the image now.

 

[tdmills]

Lets just say he's done forever, what would be the cap hit for the Patriots? He just signed a good extension not too long ago.

 

[bigmarc27]

Here is some news.

‏@kathrynsotnik10m

Developing---MA state police suiting up to enter a body of water near Aaron Hernandez home. pic.twitter.com/JeHk3oYuWT

Assume that means the murder weapon wasn't in one of the ten bags they brought out.

 

[Banemorth]

Where's that great overhead image of Hernandez's house in relation to the industrial park? Seems like it would be good enough to ID the body of water, but I can't find the image now.

I don't see a whole lot in the way of bodies of water near his house:

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=22+Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive+%22North+Attleboro%22++ma&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e466c1f5db8e61:0xf32156ee58ea7994,22+Ronald+C+Meyer+Dr,+North+Attleborough,+MA+02760&gl=us&ei=wFDIUZCIKtKu4APtsoDIAg&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA

 

[KCitons]

Here is some news.

‏@kathrynsotnik10m

Developing---MA state police suiting up to enter a body of water near Aaron Hernandez home. pic.twitter.com/JeHk3oYuWT

Assume that means the murder weapon wasn't in one of the ten bags they brought out.

You would think if AH would go through all the trouble of destroying cell phone and security system, he isn't going to keep the gun.

 

[KCitons]

Where's that great overhead image of Hernandez's house in relation to the industrial park? Seems like it would be good enough to ID the body of water, but I can't find the image now.

I don't see a whole lot in the way of bodies of water near his house:

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=22+Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive+%22North+Attleboro%22++ma&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e466c1f5db8e61:0xf32156ee58ea7994,22+Ronald+C+Meyer+Dr,+North+Attleborough,+MA+02760&gl=us&ei=wFDIUZCIKtKu4APtsoDIAg&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA

That Twitter pic, looks more like a creek. Or a large puddle in a ditch.

 

[Banemorth]

Where's that great overhead image of Hernandez's house in relation to the industrial park? Seems like it would be good enough to ID the body of water, but I can't find the image now.

I don't see a whole lot in the way of bodies of water near his house:

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=22+Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive+%22North+Attleboro%22++ma&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e466c1f5db8e61:0xf32156ee58ea7994,22+Ronald+C+Meyer+Dr,+North+Attleborough,+MA+02760&gl=us&ei=wFDIUZCIKtKu4APtsoDIAg&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA

That Twitter pic, looks more like a creek. Or a large puddle in a ditch.

Once you zoom out a bit there's apparently a ton of lakes and ponds near there. I wonder which one they're searching.

 

[KCitons]

Where's that great overhead image of Hernandez's house in relation to the industrial park? Seems like it would be good enough to ID the body of water, but I can't find the image now.

I don't see a whole lot in the way of bodies of water near his house:

https://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&q=22+Ronald+C.+Meyer+Drive+%22North+Attleboro%22++ma&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x89e466c1f5db8e61:0xf32156ee58ea7994,22+Ronald+C+Meyer+Dr,+North+Attleborough,+MA+02760&gl=us&ei=wFDIUZCIKtKu4APtsoDIAg&ved=0CC0Q8gEwAA

That Twitter pic, looks more like a creek. Or a large puddle in a ditch.

Once you zoom out a bit there's apparently a ton of lakes and ponds near there. I wonder which one they're searching.

The one with a gun in it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

That big empty area behind Hernandez's house is where the industrial park is located. So they might have passed the small body of water at the corner of Mt. Hope and Landry on the way home.

 

[Touchdown There]

Let's see a show of hands: How many FBG's have had their home's searched?

We have ALL had our electronic data illegally searched and seized (replicated) into government hard drives.

 

[KCitons]

That big empty area behind Hernandez's house is where the industrial park is located. So they might have passed the small body of water at the corner of Mt. Hope and Landry on the way home.

Judging from that map. If they drove past either of those bodies of water, they would have to backtrack to get to AH's house. (only one entrance to his street) If they left the complex from the south on Landry and traveled west, there is a creek that intersects Landry.

Let's see a show of hands: How many FBG's have had their home's searched?

We have ALL had our electronic data illegally searched and seized (replicated) into government hard drives.

Wrong thread.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Since a person is dead and we only know of a warrant served on Hernandez's home, I'm gonna go with murder, accessory to murder, or something along those lines.

- A body shot in the back of the head and his car one mile from the crime scene.

- His destroyed surveillance recording and phone as well as the hiring of a cleaning crew the morning after the murder.

- Video of men walking into his home between 3 and 3:30 am.

There's enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. I imagine the police have a lot more evidence that we don't know about yet.

You would make a horrible detective.

Nothing you said is enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. They would need a whole lot more evidence to even arrest him for 1st degree murder.

They obviously have plenty more info than anyone here, and I doubt anyone here would be surprised if it came out that one of the other guys involved shot him, and Hernandez helped him try to cover it up. If that's the case, Hernanez will get charged with something much less that 1st degree murder.

 

[jurb26]

Since a person is dead and we only know of a warrant served on Hernandez's home, I'm gonna go with murder, accessory to murder, or something along those lines.

- A body shot in the back of the head and his car one mile from the crime scene.

- His destroyed surveillance recording and phone as well as the hiring of a cleaning crew the morning after the murder.

- Video of men walking into his home between 3 and 3:30 am.

There's enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. I imagine the police have a lot more evidence that we don't know about yet.

You would make a horrible detective.

Nothing you said is enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. They would need a whole lot more evidence to even arrest him for 1st degree murder.

They obviously have plenty more info than anyone here, and I doubt anyone here would be surprised if it came out that one of the other guys involved shot him, and Hernandez helped him try to cover it up. If that's the case, Hernanez will get charged with something much less that 1st degree murder.

Yeah, if that's the case he will get a much lesser charge than 1st degree murder. He will still effectively ruin his football career if he is charged with what you say, though.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld details:

Police are in scuba gear searching water near Aaron Hernandez's house on Monday.
Like most everything else in the case, what the police are searching for is a mystery. Per reporter Rich Hollenberg, police have "set up a tent in the area," and appear to be settling in for a long day. It has now been six days since the body of Odin Lloyd was found. To the best out of knowledge, neither Hernandez nor the two associates alleged to have been with him at the time of the murder have been charged with a crime despite the torrent of searches at Hernandez's home.

Source: Rich Hollenberg on Twitter

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Rotoworld details:

Police are in scuba gear searching water near Aaron Hernandez's house on Monday.
Like most everything else in the case, what the police are searching for is a mystery. Per reporter Rich Hollenberg, police have "set up a tent in the area," and appear to be settling in for a long day. It has now been six days since the body of Odin Lloyd was found. To the best out of knowledge, neither Hernandez nor the two associates alleged to have been with him at the time of the murder have been charged with a crime despite the torrent of searches at Hernandez's home.

Source: Rich Hollenberg on Twitter

i assume a gun is the "mystery" item being searched for

 

[RUSF18]

That "pending warrant" sure is taking its time.

What is the rush? I don't know the statue of limitations on filing for an obstruction of justice charge, but I would guess they probably got no less than six months and more likely up to a year, maybe two.

They are dealing with a celebrity. The blowback of making an arrest that wouldn't hold up is causing them to proceed cautiously to make sure it won't be later claimed that the press coverage caused them to make a hasty decision and to file charges that could not be substantiated. And Hernandez is not going anywhere in the meantime, they know where they can find him.

"Fine, it's a sculpture of limitations..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8gfaFqFpI

 

[Bad_Mo]

Travis Alexander was murdered on June 4th, 2008. Jodi Arias was arrested on July 15th, 2008 - six weeks later. She was convicted of murder on May 8th, 2013 - five years later. And they had her blood, pictures, and bloody palm prints at the scene.

These things take time.

They certainly do if the crime is conducive to media hype.

However, there are murder trials that go much quicker. The Arias trial is unique on many different levels.

 

[Faust]

Twitter Picture Links:

Developing---MA state police suiting up to enter a body of water near Aaron Hernandez home.

Police in wetsuits search stream near Hernandez home. They've set up tent in area of stream.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Still waiting for the much ballyhooed arrest warrant to be served.

What a joke.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Still waiting for the much ballyhooed arrest warrant to be served.

What a joke.

It's possible that they told Hernandez that they had an obstruction of justice warrant ready to serve him if he doesn't cooperate.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so no arrest warrant issued?

Police are in scuba gear searching water near Aaron Hernandez's house on Monday.
Like most everything else in the case, what the police are searching for is a mystery. Per reporter Rich Hollenberg, police have "set up a tent in the area," and appear to be settling in for a long day. It has now been six days since the body of Odin Lloyd was found. To this point, neither Hernandez nor the two associates alleged to have been with him at the time of Lloyd's murder have been charged with a crime despite the torrent of searches at Hernandez's home.

 

[Phenix]

Still waiting for the much ballyhooed arrest warrant to be served.

What a joke.

Maybe they don't have anything, and that's why he is not arrested. They wouldn't be searching this hard if they had the smoking gun, literally.

Maybe Hernandez did a good job covering this up, or maybe he didn't do it. But there is a reason he is not arrested yet. Police want nothing more then to be the arresting officer in the Aaron Hernandez case.

 

[KCitons]

Just a wild guess, but that one picture has a for sale sign in the yard. I think it is a DHD real estate sign. Did a quick search of properties they had listed in AH's zip code, the closest match to a body of water puts the police search near the intersection of Mt Hope and Mt Hope.

 

[bucsbaby]

between the locksmith and now the scuba gear, anyone else think one or both of the two guys taken away previously are cooperating/talking with police?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

ghostguy -> please do everyone a favor and stop.

Everyone engaging him please stop too

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I think it was Lester Munson on Mike and Mike this morning addressing what is taking so long with arresting Hernandez. To paraphrase, he was saying that it might take a week or two in his mind at this point. He was saying that he thinks what is going on is that they are trying to conclude both the obstruction charge and the murder investigation before making an arrest since Hernandez isn't going anywhere. That way they have everything wrapped together. Also, it's pressuring Hernandez to come in and cooperate before they finally place the arrest.

*Again, I'm trying to remember/paraphrase what he said this morning and differentiate that with what I've read/hear elsewhere but I think that was the jist so correct me if I'm wrong those of you that heard what I'm referencing.

 

[Dippa]

Just a wild guess, but that one picture has a for sale sign in the yard. I think it is a DHD real estate sign. Did a quick search of properties they had listed in AH's zip code, the closest match to a body of water puts the police search near the intersection of Mt Hope and Mt Hope.

They just put out a new picture and I think the street sign says "Kristen Circle", which looks right on Google Maps. Looks like it's maybe the creek behind Hernandez' house.

http://t.co/O5vYv3TeOg

 

[KCitons]

Maybe they did a search of everything from Mt Hope east to Kristen Circle

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just a wild guess, but that one picture has a for sale sign in the yard. I think it is a DHD real estate sign. Did a quick search of properties they had listed in AH's zip code, the closest match to a body of water puts the police search near the intersection of Mt Hope and Mt Hope.

They just put out a new picture and I think the street sign says "Kristen Circle", which looks right on Google Maps. Looks like it's maybe the creek behind Hernandez' house.

http://t.co/O5vYv3TeOg

So, guessing this is the classic "throw gun in the river" scenario?

 

[Dippa]

Just a wild guess, but that one picture has a for sale sign in the yard. I think it is a DHD real estate sign. Did a quick search of properties they had listed in AH's zip code, the closest match to a body of water puts the police search near the intersection of Mt Hope and Mt Hope.

They just put out a new picture and I think the street sign says "Kristen Circle", which looks right on Google Maps. Looks like it's maybe the creek behind Hernandez' house.

http://t.co/O5vYv3TeOg

So, guessing this is the classic "throw gun in the river" scenario?

Seems like that's what they're looking for. Cops have metal detectors...https://twitter.com/PetesWire/status/349201584196042752/photo/1

 

[Sinn Fein]

I wonder how much all of this is going to end up costing the Massachusetts' taxpayers in the end.

 

[bigmarc27]

I wonder how much all of this is going to end up costing the Massachusetts' taxpayers in the end.

A guy was murdered. What do you think police detectives do?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I wonder how much all of this is going to end up costing the Massachusetts' taxpayers in the end.

A guy was murdered. What do you think police detectives do?

So you don't know either, huh?

More or less just curious - but I suspect more man-hours are going into this case, than other murders. Its not my dime here.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Lets just say he's done forever, what would be the cap hit for the Patriots? He just signed a good extension not too long ago.

I don't think there'd be a cap hit. If he's unavailable to play football because he's incarcerated, that's a breach of his duties to the Patriots and entitles the team to recover the portion of his signing bonus that hasn't already been earned (and counted against the cap).

Article 4, Section 9(a).

(If the team simply cuts him right now before he becomes unavailable, it would take a $12,510,000 cap hit. But that's not going to happen.)

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I wonder how much all of this is going to end up costing the Massachusetts' taxpayers in the end.

I wonder how much it is costing corporate America with all of us looking for updates all the time.

 

[GregR]

Lets just say he's done forever, what would be the cap hit for the Patriots? He just signed a good extension not too long ago.

I don't think there'd be a cap hit. If he's unavailable to play football because he's incarcerated, that's a breach of his duties to the Patriots and entitles the team to recover the portion of his signing bonus that hasn't already been earned (and counted against the cap).

Article 4, Section 9(a).

(If the team simply cuts him right now before he becomes unavailable, it would take a $12,510,000 cap hit. But that's not going to happen.)

Ian Rappaport reported that the "failure to report" clause that would let the team not pay his annual salaries if he is suspended or in jail, wasn't included in his contract for the payment of his annual salaries. So the team may be on the hook for $2.5m for his 2013 and 2014 salaries, which are guaranteed so would have to be paid even if cut.

 

[Shawn]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

It's called "Will you do the Fandango?"

By Scaramouche, Scaramouche.

No, it's called "one of the worst songs ever" by a guy with Aids and 3 nobodies.

You sound foolish! AIDS and Three No bodies? You obviously are 5 years old.

They were one of the best selling rock Bands of all time.

Nobodies? HA!

Yes, I'm the 5 year old. You act like selling albums makes an artist great. The Backstreet Boys sold a bunch of albums, too. You must be a big fan.

Sorry Jello, but Bohemian Rhapsody is one of the best rock songs of all time. And I am not even that big of a Queen fan overall.

This guy's obviously trolling...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Lets just say he's done forever, what would be the cap hit for the Patriots? He just signed a good extension not too long ago.

I don't think there'd be a cap hit. If he's unavailable to play football because he's incarcerated, that's a breach of his duties to the Patriots and entitles the team to recover the portion of his signing bonus that hasn't already been earned (and counted against the cap).

Article 4, Section 9(a).

(If the team simply cuts him right now before he becomes unavailable, it would take a $12,510,000 cap hit. But that's not going to happen.)

Ian Rappaport reported that the "failure to report" clause that would let the team not pay his annual salaries if he is suspended or in jail, wasn't included in his contract for the payment of his annual salaries. So the team may be on the hook for $2.5m for his 2013 and 2014 salaries, which are guaranteed so would have to be paid even if cut.

Before 2011, that clause was often included in individual player contracts. It no longer needs to be. It's now part of the CBA.

 

[Shawn]

Since a person is dead and we only know of a warrant served on Hernandez's home, I'm gonna go with murder, accessory to murder, or something along those lines.

- A body shot in the back of the head and his car one mile from the crime scene.

- His destroyed surveillance recording and phone as well as the hiring of a cleaning crew the morning after the murder.

- Video of men walking into his home between 3 and 3:30 am.

There's enough evidence for a 1st degree murder charge. I imagine the police have a lot more evidence that we don't know about yet.

Or... Lloyd had his own car from Aaron and he was out buying drugs for them. Deal goes sour drug dealer or someone kills him for the money, Aaron doesn't want evidence that he was sent out to buy drugs for the group with Aaron's money. But if that is the case he just made it a LOT harder to be proven innocent. There are a few scenario where I could see Hernandez being innocent. not gonna go on a tangent with them, just know there is still a small hope that he won't be guilty of murder, or even possibly obstruction. Don't say 100% chance he goes to jail, because that stat is 100% false! I would say until we know more there is no 100% way to be certain he shot the guy, and since he possibly destroyed the videos before they were searching him, it could possibly not hold up as obstruction... I am holding him on my dynasty holding onto that small grain of hope until I hear more... Would suck to have dropped him then have one of the goon friends confess the next day/week/month and have someone snatch him off of waivers before you can. Depending on roster size i can see how in some leagues it may be necessary to cut him, but in large roster leagues and, especially, in dynasty leagues... What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Is that not the way it works around here now?

"innocent until proven guilty" is second only to "Freedom of Speech" as the most misued legal principal by the general public in discussions,

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principal that applies only for the purposes of the criminal trial. It is a legal standard/assumption that the defendant is "innocent" in a criminal proceeding until the State proves "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he is guilty. The jury is instructed to assume the defendant is innocent - it is only a protection from a wrongful conviction - until proven otherwise.

It has nothing to do with the court of public opinion or a message board discussion or whether Hernandez is in fact actually innocent or guilty at the present time in reality.

It's fairly obvious based on what has been reported that Hernandez is heavily involved here. Any outlandish defenses being offered are not plausible. This of course doesn't mean he'll ultimately be found guilty of anything here - but it doesn't look good right now.

I totally agree it doesn't look good right now, I just hate hearing people saying he will never play again when they have NO IDEA. That is all I was getting at.

 

[GregR]

Lets just say he's done forever, what would be the cap hit for the Patriots? He just signed a good extension not too long ago.

I don't think there'd be a cap hit. If he's unavailable to play football because he's incarcerated, that's a breach of his duties to the Patriots and entitles the team to recover the portion of his signing bonus that hasn't already been earned (and counted against the cap).

Article 4, Section 9(a).

(If the team simply cuts him right now before he becomes unavailable, it would take a $12,510,000 cap hit. But that's not going to happen.)

Ian Rappaport reported that the "failure to report" clause that would let the team not pay his annual salaries if he is suspended or in jail, wasn't included in his contract for the payment of his annual salaries. So the team may be on the hook for $2.5m for his 2013 and 2014 salaries, which are guaranteed so would have to be paid even if cut.

Before 2011, that clause was often included in individual player contracts. It no longer needs to be. It's now part of the CBA.

By what term is a player's annual salary referred to in the CBA? The section you mention says: "...may be

required to forfeit signing bonus, roster bonus, option bonus and/or reporting bonus, and no other Salary, for each League Year in which a Forfeitable Breach occurs".

I didn't think annual salary was referred to by any of those terms.

Edit to add: Page 149 differentiates between them, referring to what we call annual salary as Paragraph 5 salary, and then noting "Additional Compensation" which it says includes roster and reporting bonuses, so those terms wouldn't refer to annual salary.

 

[matttyl]

Maybe this has already been asked/answered, but I didn't want to look back on 29 pages of this thread to see.....

Lets say that Hernandez is smarter than all of us think he is, and the Police can't pin anything on him, AT ALL. He's not charged, arrested, put on trial.....nothing.

Will he then ever suit up for the Pats, or any other NFL team again? I saw a rumor that the Pats may have already told him "it's over", but can they do that if nothing is pinned on him?

 

[KCitons]

Maybe this has already been asked/answered, but I didn't want to look back on 29 pages of this thread to see.....

Lets say that Hernandez is smarter than all of us think he is, and the Police can't pin anything on him, AT ALL. He's not charged, arrested, put on trial.....nothing.

Will he then ever suit up for the Pats, or any other NFL team again? I saw a rumor that the Pats may have already told him "it's over", but can they do that if nothing is pinned on him?

I guess you would have to pretend that you are Robert Kraft. (or any other owner) and decide for yourself. Is AH innocent, or did he "get away with" murder due to destroying evidence. I think this is where the NFL investigators come into play. While the courts have to presume innocence prior to a conviction, the private sector is free to use information that would not be permissible in court.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe this has already been asked/answered, but I didn't want to look back on 29 pages of this thread to see.....

Lets say that Hernandez is smarter than all of us think he is, and the Police can't pin anything on him, AT ALL. He's not charged, arrested, put on trial.....nothing.

Will he then ever suit up for the Pats, or any other NFL team again? I saw a rumor that the Pats may have already told him "it's over", but can they do that if nothing is pinned on him?

There is no law that says the Pats have to let Hernandez play for them again. They can try to suspend him with cause (and no pay), at which point the NFLPA could step in and try to prevent that (see Owens, Terrell, PHI). NE could always just release him outright (and as MT just cited, ain't gonna happen at this point as currently constituted due to the huge cap hit).

But you are dreaming if you think he will not be charged or implicated in the goings on. His best outcome is probably coming forward, squealing on the other two guys, and arguing that it's a first offense for a reduced charge and lots of probation and community service.

 

[matttyl]

Maybe this has already been asked/answered, but I didn't want to look back on 29 pages of this thread to see.....

Lets say that Hernandez is smarter than all of us think he is, and the Police can't pin anything on him, AT ALL. He's not charged, arrested, put on trial.....nothing.

Will he then ever suit up for the Pats, or any other NFL team again? I saw a rumor that the Pats may have already told him "it's over", but can they do that if nothing is pinned on him?

I guess you would have to pretend that you are Robert Kraft. (or any other owner) and decide for yourself. Is AH innocent, or did he "get away with" murder due to destroying evidence. I think this is where the NFL investigators come into play. While the courts have to presume innocence prior to a conviction, the private sector is free to use information that would not be permissible in court.

It may be Roger's call before it ever gets to Kraft, though.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Nothing found in stream.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/06/24/outside-aaron-herandez-north-attleborough-home-media-vigil-continues-today/4cvyDOtvuoZrbY0ESPWdaP/story.html

NORTH ATTLEBOROUGH — A State Police search of a stream near the home of New England Patriots player Aaron Hernandez did not result in the recovery of evidence in the murder of Hernadez’s acquaintance, Odin L. Lloyd.

State Police, including one trooper wearing a wetsuit and carrying what appeared to be a metal detector, descended on the wooded area along Homeward Lane, a short distance from Hernandez’s home on Ronald C. Meyer Drive this morning.

But shortly before noon, one of the investigators emerged and reported nothing had been found. When asked what they were looking for, the investigator, who declined to be identified by name, would only say “evidence.”

 

[GregR]

Maybe this has already been asked/answered, but I didn't want to look back on 29 pages of this thread to see.....

Lets say that Hernandez is smarter than all of us think he is, and the Police can't pin anything on him, AT ALL. He's not charged, arrested, put on trial.....nothing.

Will he then ever suit up for the Pats, or any other NFL team again? I saw a rumor that the Pats may have already told him "it's over", but can they do that if nothing is pinned on him?

I guess you would have to pretend that you are Robert Kraft. (or any other owner) and decide for yourself. Is AH innocent, or did he "get away with" murder due to destroying evidence. I think this is where the NFL investigators come into play. While the courts have to presume innocence prior to a conviction, the private sector is free to use information that would not be permissible in court.

Yes, two ways it could go.

One is the Patriots decide to cut him, and 31 other teams decide they don't want to sign him. Up to you how likely you think that is to happen.

Second is Goodell suspends him for violating the personal conduct policy. Appeals would also go to Goodell. AH would have to try to go to court to get them to override the CBA that gives Goodell the ability to do that. Up to you how likely you think a suspension would be, and whether it would be lifetime or he'd have the ability to come back from it.