Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[Bruce Hammond]

Brighter than you if you think someone is going to risk their entire business -- and prosecution -- for some payoff from a guy they have no ties or loyalty to. You must not own a business, and you probably watch too many TV dramas. My god your line of thinking is really out there.

 

[KCitons]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

At this point, the cleaning crew can take the money AND still talk to the police. Unless they are afraid AH is going to kill them.

Not if they want that 2nd payment baby.

And the ol " I was afraid for my life" thing could pop up if they truly do get the truth squeezed out of em.

Have there been other search warrants served on others involved in the case? Still shocked no one is talking about who the other guys are involved. I know AH is the celebrity but for as much as every new commentator likes to portray how much evidence is being collected there seems to be another side of story missing.

Not sure. I was under the impression that the two guys were visiting from out of town. (hence the rental cars)

Beyond that, there have been reports of 3 search warrants being served.

 

[ghostguy123]

Have we figured out yet if some of these rental cars were LEASED vehicles?? Just thought of that for some reason.

If not he shoukd be arrested for stupidly renting a bunch of cars.

 

[cstu]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

If he did kill a man, he deserves what he gets, but whats make you special to convict before he is found guilty in the court of law? CBreaking a phone is a long way from pulling a trigger.

I never said he pulled the trigger but common sense says he was there when the murder happened. Instead of going to the police to report the murder he did everything possible to cover it up - that's accessory to murder.

I'm not convinced the prosecution will be able to prove accessory because he was smart enough not to drive the vehicle used in the murder to his home. He can claim that he didn't provide assistance to the murderer(s) after the murder happened (which would be why he destroyed the surveillance system and had the house cleaned).

That seems contradictory. Destroying the evidence would be aiding and abetting the killer(s) - presumably.

What may be interesting will be if the prosecutors can prove that AH is the person who destroyed the security system and phone.

Destroying the evidence would be obstruction, a much lesser charge than accessory. Smart move on his part to be honest but it makes him look very guilty.

 

[ghostguy123]

There are two ways to handle it when someone says something shockingly stupid:

1) Ignore them.

2) Mock the comment, then ignore them.

Under no circumstance should you continue to engage -- or the whole thread becomes people arguing with stupid.

HTH

We're just trying to get into the mindset of Hernandez. Gotta be stupid to think stupid, and think stupid to be stupid, right?? Maybe?? Beuller?? Bueller??

I never read books, like, ever. Watch a lot of movies and read a lot of random crap.

When it comes out, this might be a book I read.

 

[KellysHeroes]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.

And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

Trust me. If the police are pressuring you to answer truthfully and threatening charges if you don't, you're spilling the beans. There's absolutely no upside in them lying for AH at this point.

does anyone know what type of confidentiality clauses these cleaning services have? Might not be as simple as a police detective rolling up to the place and getting their questions answer, might have to get some paperwork filed before they can do so.

Plus everything that was collected from the cleaning service was most likely destoried or disgraded after police got involved and will be pretty hard for police to retrieve.

Finally, what type of personel would be working for a place like this? Illegals from another country and or people with questionable characters that really wouldn't make good witness in a court of law.

 

[kutta]

Travis Alexander was murdered on June 4th, 2008. Jodi Arias was arrested on July 15th, 2008 - six weeks later. She was convicted of murder on May 8th, 2013 - five years later. And they had her blood, pictures, and bloody palm prints at the scene.

These things take time.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

If he did kill a man, he deserves what he gets, but whats make you special to convict before he is found guilty in the court of law? CBreaking a phone is a long way from pulling a trigger.

I never said he pulled the trigger but common sense says he was there when the murder happened. Instead of going to the police to report the murder he did everything possible to cover it up - that's accessory to murder.

I'm not convinced the prosecution will be able to prove accessory because he was smart enough not to drive the vehicle used in the murder to his home. He can claim that he didn't provide assistance to the murderer(s) after the murder happened (which would be why he destroyed the surveillance system and had the house cleaned).

That seems contradictory. Destroying the evidence would be aiding and abetting the killer(s) - presumably.

What may be interesting will be if the prosecutors can prove that AH is the person who destroyed the security system and phone.

Destroying the evidence would be obstruction, a much lesser charge than accessory. Smart move on his part to be honest but it makes him look very guilty.

I think it will be easy to prove when his phone was destoried but it might get a little tricky to prove when the security system was destoried and who did these things. Hernandez can calm multiple things, like the other guys destoried these key pieces of evidence or he claim that the security system was destoried anytime before the murder.

 

[Shawn]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

Trust me. If the police are pressuring you to answer truthfully and threatening charges if you don't, you're spilling the beans. There's absolutely no upside in them lying for AH at this point.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The mob pays people to shut up all the time, why couldn't Hernandez do the same? Not saying it is the case but definitely a possibility.

 

[Acrobat7]

these quote pyramids make it impossible to read this thread on a mobile device! /rant over

 

[KellysHeroes]

Travis Alexander was murdered on June 4th, 2008. Jodi Arias was arrested on July 15th, 2008 - six weeks later. She was convicted of murder on May 8th, 2013 - five years later. And they had her blood, pictures, and bloody palm prints at the scene.

These things take time.

Thats a good point but this will be totally different. Arias was a case that the american media ate up of a woman crying victim, then cried rape and abuse, then admitted to being driven crazy... lead by a defense that postponed EVERY!!! step in the legal process. Hernandez's defense team will want to get this over with quickly especially if all the police hit him w/ is obstruction; which is why I say he'll plea bargin out.

 

[kutta]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

Trust me. If the police are pressuring you to answer truthfully and threatening charges if you don't, you're spilling the beans. There's absolutely no upside in them lying for AH at this point.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The mob pays people to shut up all the time, why couldn't Hernandez do the same? Not saying it is the case but definitely a possibility.

Hernandez is a professional football player. His money doesn't carry the same weight as the mob threatening to kill your family if you talk.

 

[KCitons]

I don't remember how many bags of evidence the police took out of his house the first day. But, 10 bags the second time sounds like a lot of evidence. Even if each bag has one article, that seems like a lot of evidence to take from one location.

I also believe that the search warrant needs to be specific in the type of items that the police can confiscate. So, if they were looking for a gun or bloody clothes and found drugs, the warrant wouldn't effect the drugs.

So, if they've taken 20 bags of evidence, it's going to take some time to process. I would also assume that they took DNA from AH. And, we don't know the other 2 sites that they served warrants on.

There is a ton of things that could turn this thing either for, or against, Hernandez.

 

[Shawn]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

Trust me. If the police are pressuring you to answer truthfully and threatening charges if you don't, you're spilling the beans. There's absolutely no upside in them lying for AH at this point.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The mob pays people to shut up all the time, why couldn't Hernandez do the same? Not saying it is the case but definitely a possibility.

Hernandez is a professional football player. His money doesn't carry the same weight as the mob threatening to kill your family if you talk.

How about him and his giant goon friends threatening to kill them and their family...

 

[dickey moe]

That "pending warrant" sure is taking its time.

 

[Penguin]

The police had quite a bit on Jodi Arias but didn't arrest her for over a month

 

[squistion]

That "pending warrant" sure is taking its time.

What is the rush? I don't know the statue of limitations on filing for an obstruction of justice charge, but I would guess they probably got no less than six months and more likely up to a year, maybe two.

They are dealing with a celebrity. The blowback of making an arrest that wouldn't hold up is causing them to proceed cautiously to make sure it won't be later claimed that the press coverage caused them to make a hasty decision and to file charges that could not be substantiated. And Hernandez is not going anywhere in the meantime, they know where they can find him.

 

[cstu]

That "pending warrant" sure is taking its time.

The police don't have to read him his Miranda rights until he's arrested. They are also hoping he'll slip up and they'll be able to get more evidence about what happened.

No need to rush the arrest.

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

Travis Alexander was murdered on June 4th, 2008. Jodi Arias was arrested on July 15th, 2008 - six weeks later. She was convicted of murder on May 8th, 2013 - five years later. And they had her blood, pictures, and bloody palm prints at the scene.

These things take time.

Great post Kutta, that said i don't think it will allow Hernandez to play in 2013 with this hanging over him.

 

[stumpie71]

That "pending warrant" sure is taking its time.

The police don't have to read him his Miranda rights until he's arrested. They are also hoping he'll slip up and they'll be able to get more evidence about what happened.

No need to rush the arrest.

Exactly, there is no need to rush at this point. It doesn't look good that a second search warrant was executed. While it doesn't have to state explicitly what is being sought, some type of information must have been given (someone might be talking) to the police to lead back for some unknown (to us) reason.

If any information can be recovered from the security system it will show approximately when it was destroyed, time stamps can be easily recovered.

 

[ghostguy123]

Travis Alexander was murdered on June 4th, 2008. Jodi Arias was arrested on July 15th, 2008 - six weeks later. She was convicted of murder on May 8th, 2013 - five years later. And they had her blood, pictures, and bloody palm prints at the scene.

These things take time.

Great post Kutta, that said i don't think it will allow Hernandez to play in 2013 with this hanging over him.

How bout if this happens. Lets say this whole thing takes up most of the year, and Goodell has him suspended the entire time, lets say the entire 2013 season. After that, he is not charged with anything that carries any Jail time, so he is a free man, and was just suspended the entire 2013 season.

DO you think Goodell will consider the 2013 season as part of the suspension, or will be enforce a separate suspension when all is said and done, regardless of the outcome?

Would be kinda crappy to be suspended a whole year, not be fouind guilty of anything, and then face more suspension.

 

[Onions]

The real mystery is which Hernandez jersey ghostguy owns, the home blue or the road white.

 

[ghostguy123]

The real mystery is which Hernandez jersey ghostguy owns, the home blue or the road white.

Are you serious?? I hate the Patriots.

I just use some common sense to know that this isn't some done deal where he never plays again.

 

[KCitons]

The real mystery is which Hernandez jersey ghostguy owns, the home blue or the road white.

Are you serious?? I hate the Patriots.

I just use some common sense to know that this isn't some done deal where he never plays again.

Which part of your common sense is concerned that police have served warrants on his twice?

This doesn't happen every day, to every person. Only happens to criminals. Serious criminals.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Posted also in the Hernandez dynasty value thread, but I'll add it here as well:

I've updated my Footballguys dynasty rankings, and I have Hernandez at TE30. I was tempted to remove him altogether, but i'll wait on that to see just how long he is away. Six other staffers have updated rankings on 6/19 or after (the day the news broke), and they all have him between TE3 and TE10.

My TE30 ranking assumes:

1) He does not play in 2013.

2) He most likely does not play in 2014.

3) There is a better than 50-50 chance he goes to prison for multiple years, convicted on a charge relating to murder (ie, conspiracy, accessory, murder itself -- not just obstruction).

4) He may receive a lifetime ban from the NFL.

5) If he does return to the NFL at some point, it will not be as a Patriot with Brady throwing him the ball.

As the picture becomes clearer in one direction or another I'll adjust, either by moving him back up some if I've over-reacted or by removing him completely if some of the more dire negative possibilities become closer to fact. At this point though, I'd not recommend investing in him as more than an afterthought end-of-bench guy, because I view the negative outcomes as more likely than him regaining fantasy relevance.

In any case, he'll never again be on any of my own rosters.

 

[ghostguy123]

The real mystery is which Hernandez jersey ghostguy owns, the home blue or the road white.

Are you serious?? I hate the Patriots.

I just use some common sense to know that this isn't some done deal where he never plays again.

Which part of your common sense is concerned that police have served warrants on his twice?

This doesn't happen every day, to every person. Only happens to criminals. Serious criminals.

So what you are saying is, 100% chance he goes to prison, and 0% chance he ever plays again.

Gotcha.

Do you think I am saying I don't think he did it or that I think it's a given he is a fantasy star again?? If you are interpretting what I am saying as such, you are incredibly mistaken.

 

[ghostguy123]

In any case, he'll never again be on any of my own rosters.

This is PERFECTLY acceptable. I can easily appreciate never wanting to own him again. However, I am easily waiting till we know the final outcome in which case I can deal him if he gains a ton of value again.

 

[domvin]

Brighter than you if you think someone is going to risk their entire business -- and prosecution -- for some payoff from a guy they have no ties or loyalty to. You must not own a business, and you probably watch too many TV dramas. My god your line of thinking is really out there.

Being on staff, you shouldnt state someone is not very bright.... Nor use God in that form. You wont be on staff for long

 

[ghostguy123]

Brighter than you if you think someone is going to risk their entire business -- and prosecution -- for some payoff from a guy they have no ties or loyalty to. You must not own a business, and you probably watch too many TV dramas. My god your line of thinking is really out there.

Being on staff, you shouldnt state someone is not very bright.... Nor use God in that form. You wont be on staff for long

Not in todays society. When one person complains it is treated like 1 million.

 

[squistion]

Brighter than you if you think someone is going to risk their entire business -- and prosecution -- for some payoff from a guy they have no ties or loyalty to. You must not own a business, and you probably watch too many TV dramas. My god your line of thinking is really out there.

Being on staff, you shouldnt state someone is not very bright.... Nor use God in that form. You wont be on staff for long

Actually in this case, Bruce was being kind to the poster IMO. The poster claimed essentially the cleaning people were not very bright. Saying they were brighter than the poster for not risking their entire business and going to jail for someone they have no ties or loyalty to seemed spot on to me.

And geez...not everyone is offended by an expression using the almighty.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Posted also in the Hernandez dynasty value thread, but I'll add it here as well:

I've updated my Footballguys dynasty rankings, and I have Hernandez at TE30. I was tempted to remove him altogether, but i'll wait on that to see just how long he is away. Six other staffers have updated rankings on 6/19 or after (the day the news broke), and they all have him between TE3 and TE10.

My TE30 ranking assumes:

1) He does not play in 2013.

2) He most likely does not play in 2014.

3) There is a better than 50-50 chance he goes to prison for multiple years, convicted on a charge relating to murder (ie, conspiracy, accessory, murder itself -- not just obstruction).

4) He may receive a lifetime ban from the NFL.

5) If he does return to the NFL at some point, it will not be as a Patriot with Brady throwing him the ball.

As the picture becomes clearer in one direction or another I'll adjust, either by moving him back up some if I've over-reacted or by removing him completely if some of the more dire negative possibilities become closer to fact. At this point though, I'd not recommend investing in him as more than an afterthought end-of-bench guy, because I view the negative outcomes as more likely than him regaining fantasy relevance.

In any case, he'll never again be on any of my own rosters.

I highly doubt he plays at all in the next 2 years, and think it's even less likely that he plays with the Pats ever again.

 

[KCitons]

The real mystery is which Hernandez jersey ghostguy owns, the home blue or the road white.

Are you serious?? I hate the Patriots.

I just use some common sense to know that this isn't some done deal where he never plays again.

Which part of your common sense is concerned that police have served warrants on his twice?

This doesn't happen every day, to every person. Only happens to criminals. Serious criminals.

So what you are saying is, 100% chance he goes to prison, and 0% chance he ever plays again.

Gotcha.

Do you think I am saying I don't think he did it or that I think it's a given he is a fantasy star again?? If you are interpretting what I am saying as such, you are incredibly mistaken.

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.

Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

 

[ghostguy123]

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.

Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

At 40% odds, I can agree with that, which is why I am not selling at 5% the price.

 

[ghostguy123]

Brighter than you if you think someone is going to risk their entire business -- and prosecution -- for some payoff from a guy they have no ties or loyalty to. You must not own a business, and you probably watch too many TV dramas. My god your line of thinking is really out there.

Being on staff, you shouldnt state someone is not very bright.... Nor use God in that form. You wont be on staff for long

Actually in this case, Bruce was being kind to the poster IMO. The poster claimed essentially the cleaning people were not very bright. Saying they were brighter than the poster for not risking their entire business and going to jail for someone they have no ties or loyalty to seemed spot on to me.

And geez...not everyone is offended by an expression using the almighty.

Right, and pretty sure he was saying it to ME, also, haha. I am not offended in the slightest.

And no, I did not "claim" anything. I am merely stating some things that are possible and plausible regarding this situation.

Anyone talking in absolutes regarding this whole thing is misguided. We are nowhere even near Hernandez being on trial for anything, and even if that does happen, still no guarantee of jail time. The only guarantee here is that nothing is guaranteed.

 

[PatsFanCT]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Wait, I think I missed the part where we found out what Hernandez told the police. Repost please.

 

[ghostguy123]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Wait, I think I missed the part where we found out what Hernandez told the police. Repost please.

From what we know, he has told them nothing. I think that would fall under the catagory of not telling the truth, or simply not saying anything at all.

WHo knows, maybe he cried like Chunk from Goonies and told them his life story.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.

Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

At 40% odds, I can agree with that, which is why I am not selling at 5% the price.

What is with these crazy percentages when nobody knows what happened? Prison at 67%? For real? Lol.

 

[PatsFanCT]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Wait, I think I missed the part where we found out what Hernandez told the police. Repost please.

From what we know, he has told them nothing. I think that would fall under the catagory of not telling the truth, or simply not saying anything at all.

WHo knows, maybe he cried like Chunk from Goonies and told them his life story.

You do realize that we know absolutely nothing, right?

 

[ghostguy123]

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.

Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

At 40% odds, I can agree with that, which is why I am not selling at 5% the price.

What is with these crazy percentages when nobody knows what happened? Prison at 67%? For real? Lol.

As an owner of a player, I like to put my own made up odds on what I think will happen. Not sure how else you can rank something

Say for example someone sends me an offer for him. What else exactly do I have to go by other than pure made up speculation??

 

[ghostguy123]

You do realize that we know absolutely nothing, right?

Yes, a fact I have stated dozens of times in thes threads already.

 

[KCitons]

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.

Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

At 40% odds, I can agree with that, which is why I am not selling at 5% the price.

What is with these crazy percentages when nobody knows what happened? Prison at 67%? For real? Lol.

Yep, calling my shot now.

 

[ghostguy123]

Putting odds and percentages on AH are no different than putting odds and percentages on what you think ANY player will do. None of it is a guarantee, it's all best guess based on what you know.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.


Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

Wait, wat???

Why are we wasting taxpayer dollars on supporting the judicial system? If the police simply limit who they serve subpoenas on to only the guilty folks, we can save a lot of time and money.

I am shocked nobody ever thought of this - I mean why would you need a trial? First witness, Detective Gumshoe.

"Detective, did you serve a subpoena on the defendant?"

"Yes. Yes, I did."

"Your honor, the prosecution rests."

"So noted. Would the defendant please rise? I hereby sentence you to a term, not to exceed 20 years, in the state penal system. Bailiff take the defendant please. Next case."

 

[massraider]

This thread is the proof there are too many TV shows like Law& Order

 

[KCitons]

Not saying anything. Just reminding you of the facts. Police don't serve warrants on homes of innocent people. And they definitely don't serve two of them.


Right now, I would put his odds of prison at 67%

Odds of playing again 40% (depends on the charge)

Wait, wat???

Why are we wasting taxpayer dollars on supporting the judicial system? If the police simply limit who they serve subpoenas on to only the guilty folks, we can save a lot of time and money.

I am shocked nobody ever thought of this - I mean why would you need a trial? First witness, Detective Gumshoe.

"Detective, did you serve a subpoena on the defendant?"

"Yes. Yes, I did."

"Your honor, the prosecution rests."

"So noted. Would the defendant please rise? I hereby sentence you to a term, not to exceed 20 years, in the state penal system. Bailiff take the defendant please. Next case."

I know the whole NSA thing has you a little confused. Acquiring a warrant to search a persons home requires probable cause and is reviewed by a judge. Keep in mind that AH is a celebrity, well funded and could file a law suit if an unlawful search is executed. So, I would guess a judge made sure the police had their ducks in a row. Not just once, but twice.

 

[ghostguy123]

I know the whole NSA thing has you a little confused. Acquiring a warrant to search a persons home requires probable cause and is reviewed by a judge. Keep in mind that AH is a celebrity, well funded and could file a law suit if an unlawful search is executed. So, I would guess a judge made sure the police had their ducks in a row. Not just once, but twice.

Fairly certain many upon many of search warrants and arrests have NOT led to being found guilty of anything. Just sayin.

 

[KCitons]

I know the whole NSA thing has you a little confused. Acquiring a warrant to search a persons home requires probable cause and is reviewed by a judge. Keep in mind that AH is a celebrity, well funded and could file a law suit if an unlawful search is executed. So, I would guess a judge made sure the police had their ducks in a row. Not just once, but twice.

Fairly certain many upon many of search warrants and arrests have NOT led to being found guilty of anything. Just sayin.

What percentage?

 

[ghostguy123]

I know the whole NSA thing has you a little confused. Acquiring a warrant to search a persons home requires probable cause and is reviewed by a judge. Keep in mind that AH is a celebrity, well funded and could file a law suit if an unlawful search is executed. So, I would guess a judge made sure the police had their ducks in a row. Not just once, but twice.

Fairly certain many upon many of search warrants and arrests have NOT led to being found guilty of anything. Just sayin.

What percentage?

More than zero is all I need to know. If you need to know so bad, you do the work and find it.

 

[KCitons]

I know the whole NSA thing has you a little confused. Acquiring a warrant to search a persons home requires probable cause and is reviewed by a judge. Keep in mind that AH is a celebrity, well funded and could file a law suit if an unlawful search is executed. So, I would guess a judge made sure the police had their ducks in a row. Not just once, but twice.

Fairly certain many upon many of search warrants and arrests have NOT led to being found guilty of anything. Just sayin.

What percentage?

More than zero is all I need to know. If you need to know so bad, you do the work and find it.

LOL. They don't issue random search warrants. They are in response to a criminal investigation.

I'm sure Hernandez has nothing to worry about.

 

[ghostguy123]

LOL. They don't issue random search warrants. They are in response to a criminal investigation.

I'm sure Hernandez has nothing to worry about.

Are you lost?? Is anyone on here in the SLIGHTEST saying Hernandez has nothing to worry about??