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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)

:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
I think they have plenty. I also think they pretty clearly need a witness.

I've given up on him with the Patriots. The very best case scenario for Hernandez has him getting a nice vacation from Gooddell. Other than pure curiosity, I'm more concerned about fantasy teams if anything. I think he's done in NE.
Even if he pleas out and does minimal time, but its widely accepted he was there when an execution style killing happened... I can't see any fan base accepting him.

 
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
I think they have plenty. I also think they pretty clearly need a witness.

I've given up on him with the Patriots. The very best case scenario for Hernandez has him getting a nice vacation from Gooddell. Other than pure curiosity, I'm more concerned about fantasy teams if anything. I think he's done in NE.
Even if he pleas out and does minimal time, but its widely accepted he was there when an execution style killing happened... I can't see any fan base accepting him.
Please, if it comes down to police proving and him admitting that he was there he'll hire a PR specialist and tell us that he was victim / scared for his life and couldn't prevent the death.

 
KellysHeroes, how many leagues do you own Hernandez in?
none and only sent out 1 trade for him which was rejected, haven't made any other effects in any league. I'm a jets fan so I wouldn't mind seeing the pats lose one of their best weapons and some cap space to go w/ it but I know its not going to happen. This yr is a huge ? but 2014 and so on will be as if nothing happened.

 
Just read this. If true then Hernandez is ####ed.

Report: Odin Lloyd was shot multiple times Posted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2013, 10:14 AM EDTWe’ve noticed over the past few days an interesting theory regarding the death of Odin Lloyd. Some have speculated about a Jayson Williams-type situation, with Lloyd accidentally shot at the home of Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez. Then, instead of owning up to the incident, those involved opted to try to cover it all up.But there’s a significant difference. As the Boston Globe reported on Thursday night, Lloyd was shot not just once — and the shooting didn’t occur in Hernandez’s home.“He was killed where they found the body,” an unnamed law enforcement official told the Globe.He was shot multiple times.”
Wouldn't he be way more ####ed if it was actually the first scenario, and they tried to cover up a murder that happened in his home?
No. If it happened in his home he could claim that he freaked out and took the body somewhere when he wasn't in his right mind. It currently looks like he drove to a secluded location to execute someone.

 
KellysHeroes, how many leagues do you own Hernandez in?
none and only sent out 1 trade for him which was rejected, haven't made any other effects in any league. I'm a jets fan so I wouldn't mind seeing the pats lose one of their best weapons and some cap space to go w/ it but I know its not going to happen. This yr is a huge ? but 2014 and so on will be as if nothing happened.
Misguided view IMO. This wasn't steroids, pot, a bar fight. This was murder.

 
KellysHeroes, how many leagues do you own Hernandez in?
This yr is a huge ? but 2014 and so on will be as if nothing happened.
I don't understand why people keep stating this - someone was killed execution style. This isn't getting into a bar brawl or carrying a weapon, this is as serious as it gets. It's taking forever because the police are being careful not to overlook something or screw up. This isn't just going to blow by.

 
...I wouldn't mind seeing the pats lose one of their best weapons and some cap space to go w/ it but I know its not going to happen.
That's an insanely naive statement. None of us have any idea what will happen to him. He could end up with murder charges, and much more - landing him in jail for years, or he could get out of this with not much more than a drop in public opinion.

 
KellysHeroes, how many leagues do you own Hernandez in?
none and only sent out 1 trade for him which was rejected, haven't made any other effects in any league. I'm a jets fan so I wouldn't mind seeing the pats lose one of their best weapons and some cap space to go w/ it but I know its not going to happen. This yr is a huge ? but 2014 and so on will be as if nothing happened.
Misguided view IMO. This wasn't steroids, pot, a bar fight. This was murder.
Beat me to it.

 
KellysHeroes, how many leagues do you own Hernandez in?
none and only sent out 1 trade for him which was rejected, haven't made any other effects in any league. I'm a jets fan so I wouldn't mind seeing the pats lose one of their best weapons and some cap space to go w/ it but I know its not going to happen. This yr is a huge ? but 2014 and so on will be as if nothing happened.
Misguided view IMO. This wasn't steroids, pot, a bar fight. This was murder.
Beat me to it.
Ya but you said it better. ;)

 
Sounds like the police just showed up to take out AH's trash.

Left with about 10 black garbage bags.
Pats reporter said it was paper bags.

After nearly 4 hours, police activity wraps up at home of A. Hernandez. State Police leave with about 10 paper bags.
I'll bet his mom made the boys some lunch.
Correction. They picked up his lawn clippings. The did report the lawn service mowed the other day.

 
KCitons said:
Raider Nation said:
KCitons said:
Sounds like the police just showed up to take out AH's trash.

Left with about 10 black garbage bags.
Pats reporter said it was paper bags.

After nearly 4 hours, police activity wraps up at home of A. Hernandez. State Police leave with about 10 paper bags.
I'll bet his mom made the boys some lunch.
Correction. They picked up his lawn clippings. The did report the lawn service mowed the other day.
New Headline: Police Find and Confiscate 'Grass' at Aaron Hernandez's House.

 
Bucky86 said:
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
:lmao: at Pats haters who actually believe any Pats fan is doing this.

With absolutely no information either way, we can hold out hope, but none of us are "convincing" ourselves of anything. It's funnier seeing all the crazy scenarios people are posting. Almost all of which end with AH being charged with murder and doing time. Sure, it's not looking good, but nobody in this thread knows anything about the murder.

 
they couldn't have found/left with much - Hernandez reportedly has his house cleaned professionally, video surveillance footage destroyed - phone destroyed ....

probably coincidence ....

 
Bucky86 said:
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
:lmao: at Pats haters who actually believe any Pats fan is doing this.

With absolutely no information either way, we can hold out hope, but none of us are "convincing" ourselves of anything. It's funnier seeing all the crazy scenarios people are posting. Almost all of which end with AH being charged with murder and doing time. Sure, it's not looking good, but nobody in this thread knows anything about the murder.
Pretty sure most "Pats" fans are not even holding out hope... Innocent before proven guilty and everything but it seems at the very least Hernandez knows something about the circumstances of this murder and at the most was involved with it. Don't really want that kind of guy of the Patriots. Someone was murdered here and Aaron Hernandez is not being painted as a good guy.

 
Or were you talking about Vick, because I was being a smart ### about that.

 
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KellysHeroes said:
menobrown said:
HellToupee said:
Bucky86 said:
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
:goodposting: Its like they forget there is a dead victim & they are hoping the AH crew beats the rap.
I think for Hernandez to ever play for the Patriots again he'll need to not only legally beat the rap but do so in a fashion unlike OJ. If he beats the charges but is guilty in the public eye I'd be stunned if the Patriots did not release him.
unless they find a smoking gun he won't see jail time, and even then I bet it'll be pinned on one of the other guys. There will need to be a video or pictures of him actually actually doing the killing for him to go down. Once the police have a case prepared Hernandez and his lawyer will look it over and plea bargin (snitch / pay them off to take the fall) on the other guys.

The 2013 season is pretty grim for him though.

But whats the deal with the other guys, are they in holding? have they bailed out? have they been charged with anything?
People are convicted everyday with out the proverbial smoking gun or witness. While I do find it unlikely with his ability to hire exceptional representation, it is still possible and likley. My personal opinion is that he was a witness to this crime, and is trying to hold out for a deal in exchange for his testimony. If this fails, I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.

I do think he will miss both the 13 and 14 season even without a conviction.

 
If a dog killer can play why can't someone who possibly just witnessed a murder and didn't report it play??
Seriously?
Hey... Ray Lewis was allowed to play...
You don't see a difference between the cases?
Giving him a suspension is one thing, banning Herandez while allowing Lewis to have a hall of fame career will be another. As stated above, Lewis was actually charged with murder while AH is charge(?) with obstruction. If he plea bargins out with no jail time and just the obstruction of justice and the league givings him a life long ban he'll have every right to sue them to get reinstated.

 
If a dog killer can play why can't someone who possibly just witnessed a murder and didn't report it play??
Seriously?
Hey... Ray Lewis was allowed to play...
You don't see a difference between the cases?
Giving him a suspension is one thing, banning Herandez while allowing Lewis to have a hall of fame career will be another. As stated above, Lewis was actually charged with murder while AH is charge(?) with obstruction. If he plea bargins out with no jail time and just the obstruction of justice and the league givings him a life long ban he'll have every right to sue them to get reinstated.
Why don't we wait to see what happens before we suggest he only would be charged with obstruction and gets a plea deal.

From what I recall with Lewis, there were several people involved in a bar room brawl and all the participants initially got charged with murder. The defendants argued self defense, and ultimately Lewis agreed to testify against two other men. Nothing really ever came out about who stabbed whom, but there was not a lot of tangible evidence other than Lewis was there (and the bloody suit that was never found).

That's a different situation than a guy getting shot execution style with video evidence putting Hernandez with the deceased, his car at the scene of the crime, the body around the corner from his house, and destroying video system and cell phone . . . not to mention Hernandez arriving home short a passenger 5 minutes after the killing. We will see what the police can thread together (and I suspect they already have both a clearer picture of what really happened, who may have done what, and more evidence than is getting reported by the media). That remains to be seen, of course, but at the moment it's looking more improbable that there was another shooter and the Hernandez crew was not involved at all.

 
If a dog killer can play why can't someone who possibly just witnessed a murder and didn't report it play??
Seriously?
Hey... Ray Lewis was allowed to play...
You don't see a difference between the cases?
Giving him a suspension is one thing, banning Herandez while allowing Lewis to have a hall of fame career will be another. As stated above, Lewis was actually charged with murder while AH is charge(?) with obstruction. If he plea bargins out with no jail time and just the obstruction of justice and the league givings him a life long ban he'll have every right to sue them to get reinstated.
Why don't we wait to see what happens before we suggest he only would be charged with obstruction and gets a plea deal.

From what I recall with Lewis, there were several people involved in a bar room brawl and all the participants initially got charged with murder. The defendants argued self defense, and ultimately Lewis agreed to testify against two other men. Nothing really ever came out about who stabbed whom, but there was not a lot of tangible evidence other than Lewis was there (and the bloody suit that was never found).

That's a different situation than a guy getting shot execution style with video evidence putting Hernandez with the deceased, his car at the scene of the crime, the body around the corner from his house, and destroying video system and cell phone . . . not to mention Hernandez arriving home short a passenger 5 minutes after the killing. We will see what the police can thread together (and I suspect they already have both a clearer picture of what really happened, who may have done what, and more evidence than is getting reported by the media). That remains to be seen, of course, but at the moment it's looking more improbable that there was another shooter and the Hernandez crew was not involved at all.
Not to mention that comparing a Ray Lewis case happening today to a Ray Lewis when it happened a decade ago, it wouldn't be the same punishment. Times have changed, the NFL isn't as forgiving of tarnishing the image as Tagliabue was.

 
I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.
How do you accidentally shoot someone multiple times at 3:30am in the middle of an empty industrial park?

 
I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.
How do you accidentally shoot someone multiple times at 3:30am in the middle of an empty industrial park?
Probably playing shoot the bottle. Fun game. Except when accidents happen.

 
I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.
How do you accidentally shoot someone multiple times at 3:30am in the middle of an empty industrial park?
I think he's saying, accidentally shot and killed him. So then took his dead body to where it was found and shot it a few more times so it would look like he was killed there.

 
I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.
How do you accidentally shoot someone multiple times at 3:30am in the middle of an empty industrial park?
I think he's saying, accidentally shot and killed him. So then took his dead body to where it was found and shot it a few more times so it would look like he was killed there.
Yea, I'm pretty sure that a jury would buy that theory.

 
so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

 
so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"
Leverage. They want someone to talk. Maybe his attorney is negotiating?

 
I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.
How do you accidentally shoot someone multiple times at 3:30am in the middle of an empty industrial park?
I think he's saying, accidentally shot and killed him. So then took his dead body to where it was found and shot it a few more times so it would look like he was killed there.
Yea, I'm pretty sure that a jury would buy that theory.
You do know a jury is made up of 12 people who were not smart enough to get out of jury duty in the first place... right?

 
I believe that Aaron's Attornys will try and make this into an accidental shooting, and suggest Aaron and the others freaked out, then tried to make it look like a homocide by others. This is just my opinion based on the information that has been released to date.
How do you accidentally shoot someone multiple times at 3:30am in the middle of an empty industrial park?
I think he's saying, accidentally shot and killed him. So then took his dead body to where it was found and shot it a few more times so it would look like he was killed there.
Yea, I'm pretty sure that a jury would buy that theory.
You do know a jury is made up of 12 people who were not smart enough to get out of jury duty in the first place... right?
You do know being a jury on a famous case is wayyyy smarter than not being one -- bling bling --

 
so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"
If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

 
Scouts saw warning signs with Hernandez, leading to draft slideMike Freeman

There have always been many sides to Aaron Hernandez.

Some are literally on his body. "If it is up to me, it is up to me," reads one of the Patriots tight end's many tattoos, this one located near his left forearm. "The difference between the impossible and possible lies in a person's determination," reads another.

There was the Hernandez who was a high school football star. The Hernandez who became the leader of a home that lost its dad. The young man who charmed a coach, Urban Meyer. Meyer and Hernandez would meet every morning at Meyer's house to read the Bible.

The death of his father when Hernandez was 16 led to the player becoming a lost soul. His mother told USA Today in 2009: "It was a rough process, and I didn't know what to do for him. He would rebel. It was very, very hard, and he was very, very angry. He wasn't the same kid, the way he spoke to me. The shock of losing his dad, there was so much anger."

There are those who say privately that Hernandez is a smart, good man. There are others who will give a vastly different side.

What the Hernandez case demonstrates more than anything is the brutal job an NFL team has of predicting the future of not only the player but the human being. No amount of psychological testing or combine questioning can map all facets of a person.

NFL team personnel men interviewed for this story say they believe Hernandez is a troubled individual. One scout read from a small portion of his report on Hernandez written the year Hernandez declared for the draft: "Partly unstable ... there are anger issues, marijuana use ... edgy and very moody."

Part of the conclusion of the report, the scout said, read: "One of the bigger risk, rewards of the draft."

In fact, that is the common theme among many personnel men when asked about Hernandez.

None of this means Hernandez obstructed justice in a murder case or took part in a homicide. He is innocent until proven guilty.

Police are investigating the murder of Odin Lloyd, whose body was found near Hernandez's home. The Patriots tight end also faces a civil action from a man claiming Hernandez shot him in the face in Florida.

An NFL source says the league office is watching the situation closely but no decision from Roger Goodell on whether to suspend Hernandez is coming soon. The source also says the league's own investigative arm, NFL Security, is gathering its own facts on the case.

"We are continuing to monitor developments, and will address the matter at the appropriate time," an NFL spokesman said.

There is no straight line from what Hernandez is alleged to have done in college and his current circumstance. Like Hernandez overall, there are too many angles and curves to decipher; some are smooth and easy to navigate, others are bumpy.

Yet there is a concrete bottom line that cannot be ignored: Numerous teams avoided Hernandez in the draft fearing he was problematic and wasn't worth the risk.

"We stayed away," one team scout said, "because we hated the people he hung out with and how trouble always seemed to find this guy."

Scouts say they believe that Hernandez failed multiple drug tests while at Florida. Hernandez has publicly stated he failed only one. Yet Hernandez was suspended by Florida for one game for failing a drug test and NFL sources vehemently maintain a suspension for marijuana use would only happen if multiple tests were failed.

The failed test or tests are important and became a huge reason for Hernandez slipping into the fourth round in the 2010 draft, when he was by all accounts a first-round talent. The NFL views one failed test as youthful indiscretion but multiple ones as a lack of self-control.

Published reports state that while at Florida, Hernandez was questioned in connection with a shooting outside a popular nightclub. No charges were ever filed.

The Boston Globe reports that it didn't take long for some of Hernandez's anger issues to show themselves once he arrived in the NFL. Days after being drafted, Hernandez was at Gillette Stadium, attempting to watch film but had difficulty managing the equipment. When no one responded to his pleas for assistance, he asked receiver Wes Welker, who happened to be walking by. "Rookie, you figure it out," Welker joked.

It's the usual back and forth a rookie receives and most just eat it. Hernandez responded angrily. The Globe reporter tweeted that Hernandez said, "F--- you Wes. I'll f--- you up."

The work ethic to study film only days after getting drafted but the lack of self-control to handle a joking veteran ... there are those sides again.

And there are many of them.
 
Odin Lloyd's mom wants justice; investigation expands to strip clubBy Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer

Though multiple reports state a warrant has been issued for Aaron Hernandez, the Patriots tight end has not been arrested in connection with the recent death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd. Since the Attleboro, Mass., court system is closed for the weekend, it doesn't appear that will change in the next day or two.

If you talk to Lloyd's mother, however, it's clear all she wants is justice for her son's death.

"I want the person that killed my son to be brought to justice," Ursula Ward said, via the Boston Herald. "That's my first-born child, my only boy child, and they took him away from me. ... I wouldn't trade him for all the money in the world. And if money could bring him back, I would give this house up to bring my son back. Nothing can bring my son back."

No matter what role Hernandez might have played in Lloyd's death -- and at this point, it very well could be nothing -- that's a heartbreaking statement from a mother who now has to bury her boy.

“We're glad this involves such a big celebrity,” Lloyd's sister, Olivia Thibow, said, via the Boston Globe. “At least we know something will happen from it.”

Lloyd's family said he had never been in trouble with the law, that he and Hernandez were friends, with Lloyd having dated the sister of Hernandez's fiancée for two years. The family also said they've heard from Lloyd's girlfriend since his death but not from Hernandez.

Meanwhile, police reportedly have expanded their search. The Herald reports that a Rhode Island strip club has been searched in connection with the case.

The owner of Club Desire in Providence, Gerard DiSanto, told the paper that he didn't know if Hernandez was a customer and he didn't know what police were searching for. But at least one other strip club owner in Providence told the paper that Hernandez had been known to frequent his establishment.

It seems as if we've come a long way in the past week with this investigation. Here's what has happened since Lloyd was found dead on Monday:

  • On Tuesday, it was reported that Hernandez had been questioned by police, but he was not believed to be a suspect of any kind. At that point, the reports were that Lloyd might be an associate of Hernandez's.
  • On Wednesday, Hernandez was not ruled out as a suspect, and the vehicle that was rented in his name had become a major piece of the investigation. After searching his home on Tuesday, police returned Wednesday, but Hernandez was not home at the time. Hernandez's attorney, Michael Fee, also released this statement: "It has been widely reported in the media that the state police have searched the home of our client, Aaron Hernandez, as part of an ongoing investigation. Out of respect for that process, neither we nor Aaron will have any comment about the substance of that investigation until it has come to a conclusion."
  • News also emerged Wednesday that Hernandez was to be sued by a man whom he allegedly shot in the face in February. It later came out that Alexander Bradly is a convicted drug dealer.
  • On Thursday, reports emerged that Hernandez was "directly tied" to the homicide."[Hernandez] has not been ruled out. We are not calling him a suspect, but he is definitely not in the clear," a police official close to the investigation told ABC News. Hernandez also apparently turned over to police a cell phone that had been smashed, while his home security system had been destroyed. It was also revealed a cleaning crew reportedly had done work at Hernandez's home early in the week.
  • There were also conflicting reports on whether Hernandez would be arrested. Meanwhile, Sports Illustrated reported Hernandez had been involved in at least two other gun-related incidents. One reportedly occured in Providence last May, when a Jets fan confronted Hernandez and police later found a gun under a car (though it was unclear whose gun it was). The other occurred when he attended Florida in 2007, when he was questioned by police regarding a shooting that happened after a Florida-Auburn game (Hernandez was not considered a suspect in that case).
 
so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"
If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story
what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

 

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