Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As I was saying, it depends on the charges against HIM.

If he had a warrant out for murder, he would have been actively sought out and arrested.

Not to mention, even if they really do want to charge him, maybe by waiting they think he will screw up and give them even more to go on. Maybe he hires a cleaning crew for some other location, who knows.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

It's true, Patriot players are allowed to execute people all the time in New England.

 

[gianmarco]

Is this the real life?

Is this just fantasy?

Caught in a landslide,

No escape from reality.

Open your eyes,

Look up to the skies and see,

I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,

Because I'm easy come, easy go,

Little high, little low,

Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me.

Mama, just killed a man,

Put a gun against his head,

Pulled my trigger, now he's dead.

Mama, life had just begun,

But now I've gone and thrown it all away.

Mama, ooh,

Didn't mean to make you cry,

If I'm not back again this time tomorrow,

Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters.

Too late, my time has come,

Sent shivers down my spine,

Body's aching all the time.

Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go,

Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth.

Mama, ooh (any way the wind blows),

I don't wanna die,

I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all.

I see a little silhouetto of a man,

Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?

Thunderbolt and lightning,

Very, very frightening me.

(Galileo) Galileo.

(Galileo) Galileo,

Galileo Figaro

Magnifico.

I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me.

He's just a poor boy from a poor family,

Spare him his life from this monstrosity.

Easy come, easy go, will you let me go?

Bismillah! No, we will not let you go.

(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let you go.

(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let you go.

(Let me go) Will not let you go.

(Let me go) Will not let you go.

(Never, never, never let me go) Ah.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(Oh, mama mia, mama mia) Mama mia, let me go.

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me.

So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye?

So you think you can love me and leave me to die?

Oh, baby, can't do this to me, baby,

Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here.

(Oh, yeah, oh yeah)

Nothing really matters,

Anyone can see,

Nothing really matters,

Nothing really matters to me.

Any way the wind blows.

 

[Phenix]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.

Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This thread could use some actual news.

 

[JustinHawkins]

This place could use some actual nice posters too

 

[cstu]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.

Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

 

[KellysHeroes]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.

Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

how come when the police 1st came to Hernandez's home, they only cuffed the other 2 guys and left Hernandez?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Scouts saw warning signs with Hernandez, leading to draft slide

Mike Freeman

I would love to see a list of players scouts think will murder someone in the next 5 years. The warning signs are always there after the fact.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Lol great point rw

 

[dewmass]

Is this the real life?

Is this just fantasy?

Caught in a landslide,

No escape from reality.

Open your eyes,

Look up to the skies and see,

I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,

Because I'm easy come, easy go,

Little high, little low,

Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me.

Mama, just killed a man,

Put a gun against his head,

Pulled my trigger, now he's dead.

Mama, life had just begun,

But now I've gone and thrown it all away.

Mama, ooh,

Didn't mean to make you cry,

If I'm not back again this time tomorrow,

Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters.

Too late, my time has come,

Sent shivers down my spine,

Body's aching all the time.

Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go,

Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth.

Mama, ooh (any way the wind blows),

I don't wanna die,

I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all.

I see a little silhouetto of a man,

Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?

Thunderbolt and lightning,

Very, very frightening me.

(Galileo) Galileo.

(Galileo) Galileo,

Galileo Figaro

Magnifico.

I'm just a poor boy and nobody loves me.

He's just a poor boy from a poor family,

Spare him his life from this monstrosity.

Easy come, easy go, will you let me go?

Bismillah! No, we will not let you go.

(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let you go.

(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let you go.

(Let me go) Will not let you go.

(Let me go) Will not let you go.

(Never, never, never let me go) Ah.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(Oh, mama mia, mama mia) Mama mia, let me go.

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me.

So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye?

So you think you can love me and leave me to die?

Oh, baby, can't do this to me, baby,

Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here.

(Oh, yeah, oh yeah)

Nothing really matters,

Anyone can see,

Nothing really matters,

Nothing really matters to me.

Any way the wind blows.

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

 

[Shawn]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

 

[madd futher]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

 

[RavenLunatic]

My understanding is the other two were not arrested but taken away in separate cars from his house on the first day (Tuesday). Later released. I suppose they were either questioned or they also just invoked their 5th. If not represented by Ropes & Grey then perhaps they are getting advice via Hernandez?

I find it very interesting that the names (or even general interest in the names) of the other two friends are not part of the news story.

 

[Phenix]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.

Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

If he did kill a man, he deserves what he gets, but whats make you special to convict before he is found guilty in the court of law? CBreaking a phone is a long way from pulling a trigger.

 

[Amused to Death]

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

I wonder what Roger Goodell sees.

 

[Shawn]

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

I wonder what Roger Goodell sees.

last I heard Goodell was waiting for it to play out, kind of like most of us should be doing... this thread is full of speculation...

 

[Amused to Death]

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

I wonder what Roger Goodell sees.

last I heard Goodell was waiting for it to play out, kind of like most of us should be doing... this thread is full of speculation...

I'm sure that's it. He's a great guy that way.

 

[heidbrink]

Does Connecticut have the death penalty?

 

[KCitons]

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

I wonder what Roger Goodell sees.

last I heard Goodell was waiting for it to play out, kind of like most of us should be doing... this thread is full of speculation...

This entire forum is based on speculation. Whether it's which rookie to take in the draft or what quarterback cracks the top ten. To expect a bunch of speculation junkies to stop, just because it's a murder investigation, is ridiculous.

 

[cstu]

Does Connecticut have the death penalty?

On April 11, 2012, the Connecticut House of Representatives voted to repeal capital punishment for future cases (leaving past death sentences in place). The Connecticut Senate had already voted for the bill, and on April 25 Governor Dannel Malloy signed the bill into law.[10] That made Connecticut the 17th state in the US without a death penalty, and the fifth state to abolish capital punishment in five years.

 

[cstu]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.

Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

If he did kill a man, he deserves what he gets, but whats make you special to convict before he is found guilty in the court of law? CBreaking a phone is a long way from pulling a trigger.

I never said he pulled the trigger but common sense says he was there when the murder happened. Instead of going to the police to report the murder he did everything possible to cover it up - that's accessory to murder.

I'm not convinced the prosecution will be able to prove accessory because he was smart enough not to drive the vehicle used in the murder to his home. He can claim that he didn't provide assistance to the murderer(s) after the murder happened (which would be why he destroyed the surveillance system and had the house cleaned).

 

[Norman Paperman]

Does Connecticut have the death penalty?

No, but Texas does.

HTH

 

[KellysHeroes]

Does Connecticut have the death penalty?

No, but Texas does.

HTH

New England in general stopped using it if they still even have it

 

[Norman Paperman]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

If he did kill a man, he deserves what he gets, but whats make you special to convict before he is found guilty in the court of law? CBreaking a phone is a long way from pulling a trigger.

I never said he pulled the trigger but common sense says he was there when the murder happened. Instead of going to the police to report the murder he did everything possible to cover it up - that's accessory to murder.

I'm not convinced the prosecution will be able to prove accessory because he was smart enough not to drive the vehicle used in the murder to his home. He can claim that he didn't provide assistance to the murderer(s) after the murder happened (which would be why he destroyed the surveillance system and had the house cleaned).

That seems contradictory. Destroying the evidence would be aiding and abetting the killer(s) - presumably.

What may be interesting will be if the prosecutors can prove that AH is the person who destroyed the security system and phone.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

It's called "Will you do the Fandango?"

By Scaramouche, Scaramouche.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

It's called "Will you do the Fandango?"

By Scaramouche, Scaramouche.

No, it's called "one of the worst songs ever" by a guy with Aids and 3 nobodies.

 

[Phenix]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

It's called "Will you do the Fandango?"

By Scaramouche, Scaramouche.

No, it's called "one of the worst songs ever" by a guy with Aids and 3 nobodies.

You sound foolish! AIDS and Three No bodies? You obviously are 5 years old.

They were one of the best selling rock Bands of all time.

Nobodies? HA!

 

[GregR]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

How many innocent people destroy their phone and security system? I see a lot of people being extreme naive in this thread.

So that means he killed a man? I see a lot of people convicting on circumstantial evidence in this thread.

If he did kill a man, he deserves what he gets, but whats make you special to convict before he is found guilty in the court of law? CBreaking a phone is a long way from pulling a trigger.

I never said he pulled the trigger but common sense says he was there when the murder happened. Instead of going to the police to report the murder he did everything possible to cover it up - that's accessory to murder.

I'm not convinced the prosecution will be able to prove accessory because he was smart enough not to drive the vehicle used in the murder to his home. He can claim that he didn't provide assistance to the murderer(s) after the murder happened (which would be why he destroyed the surveillance system and had the house cleaned).

That seems contradictory. Destroying the evidence would be aiding and abetting the killer(s) - presumably.

What may be interesting will be if the prosecutors can prove that AH is the person who destroyed the security system and phone.

Yes, that could end up being an important part of how things play out if there isn't enough evidence to tie him to the murder directly.

I'd think that since both were destroyed will make it tough on AH. (ETA: Also combined with the house having been cleaned assuming it wasn't scheduled prior to the murder.) When it comes to reasonable doubt, there's probably a lot more reasonable doubt to "I dropped my phone" than there is to "I dropped my phone AND the hard drive accidentally flew out of where it was bolted into the security system and smashed on the floor."

Not sure what the defense could go with besides saying someone else destroyed them. And barring evidence of that (like a neighbor seeing someone breaking in the house), I don't know that you'd convince a jury.

 

[ghostguy123]

Sucks to get in trouble for destroying your own security system.

Although I guess it would suck more to be caught on tape and go to prison because of your own security system.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

It's called "Will you do the Fandango?"

By Scaramouche, Scaramouche.

No, it's called "one of the worst songs ever" by a guy with Aids and 3 nobodies.

You sound foolish! AIDS and Three No bodies? You obviously are 5 years old.

They were one of the best selling rock Bands of all time.

Nobodies? HA!

Yes, I'm the 5 year old. You act like selling albums makes an artist great. The Backstreet Boys sold a bunch of albums, too. You must be a big fan.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

I'm sure the police have interviewed the housecleaning people by now and know whether the cleaning was previously scheduled or called for on Monday. At some point that will come out. It would also be interesting to know what the cleaning people were told clean up. I don't think client/cleaning lady confidentiality is in the law. Was it beer bottles and general mess, or was it more along the lines of tracked in blood from shoes?

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm sure the police have interviewed the housecleaning people by now and know whether the cleaning was previously scheduled or called for on Monday. At some point that will come out. It would also be interesting to know what the cleaning people were told clean up. I don't think client/cleaning lady confidentiality is in the law. Was it beer bottles and general mess, or was it more along the lines of tracked in blood from shoes?

Depends if AH had the foresight to pay them one Hell of a tip and say it was previously scheduled, and that they cleaned up a routine mess.

My guess is he did not.

 

[Raider Nation]

Scouts saw warning signs with Hernandez, leading to draft slide

Mike Freeman

I would love to see a list of players scouts think will murder someone in the next 5 years. The warning signs are always there after the fact.

Sure, but on the other hand, what reason would Mike Freeman have to ask scouts about their pre-draft thoughts on Hernandez before something crazy like this happens?

 

[Bruce Hammond]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Correct. Cleaning service is breaking the law and can be prosecuted as well for lying to impede an investigation. Records (phone, work orders, etc.) can be subpoenaed... no business in their right mind would take a payoff to lie.

 

[Phantom Knight]

What may be interesting will be if the prosecutors can prove that AH is the person who destroyed the security system and phone.

Yes, that could end up being an important part of how things play out if there isn't enough evidence to tie him to the murder directly.

I'd think that since both were destroyed will make it tough on AH. (ETA: Also combined with the house having been cleaned assuming it wasn't scheduled prior to the murder.) When it comes to reasonable doubt, there's probably a lot more reasonable doubt to "I dropped my phone" than there is to "I dropped my phone AND the hard drive accidentally flew out of where it was bolted into the security system and smashed on the floor."

Not sure what the defense could go with besides saying someone else destroyed them. And barring evidence of that (like a neighbor seeing someone breaking in the house), I don't know that you'd convince a jury.

Depending upon the timeline - which we can only speculate at to this point - AH very well might be able to claim that one of his two buddies (before the police arrived) destroyed the security system. A bit more a stretch, but especially if it turns out that one of the other two was the trigger man, he might also claim that the trigger man broke his phone because it had incriminating evidence to that effect.

 

[kutta]

This could be catchy, what tune is it to?

Really???

It's called "Will you do the Fandango?"

By Scaramouche, Scaramouche.

No, it's called "one of the worst songs ever" by a guy with Aids and 3 nobodies.

You sound foolish! AIDS and Three No bodies? You obviously are 5 years old.

They were one of the best selling rock Bands of all time.

Nobodies? HA!

Yes, I'm the 5 year old. You act like selling albums makes an artist great. The Backstreet Boys sold a bunch of albums, too. You must be a big fan

We should stop the hijack. You are obviously fishing and it's dirtying up the thread.

 

[ghostguy123]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

 

[ghostguy123]

I forgot, every small business does everything legit, and every employee of every business is a stand up class act.

Not saying it is likely or anything, just saying there is a very real possibility they handed them a stack if cash to say they cleaned up a regular mess with the promise of some more cash when its over.

They could have called for a cleaning crew bright an early Monday morning, but if the awesome employees they sent out cleaned up "a routine mess" then they have nothing with regards to the cleaning crew, just more questions and circumstantial stuff.

 

[KellysHeroes]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Correct. Cleaning service is breaking the law and can be prosecuted as well for lying to impede an investigation. Records (phone, work orders, etc.) can be subpoenaed... no business in their right mind would take a payoff to lie.

I doubt that, it just adds to the suspicion and I doubt a typicial cleaning service can remove DNA evidence if its on a carpet or something. In fact, if the cleaning crew testesifies that didn't see any evidence of a murder or struggle if could be in his favor.

 

[KCitons]

What may be interesting will be if the prosecutors can prove that AH is the person who destroyed the security system and phone.

Yes, that could end up being an important part of how things play out if there isn't enough evidence to tie him to the murder directly.

I'd think that since both were destroyed will make it tough on AH. (ETA: Also combined with the house having been cleaned assuming it wasn't scheduled prior to the murder.) When it comes to reasonable doubt, there's probably a lot more reasonable doubt to "I dropped my phone" than there is to "I dropped my phone AND the hard drive accidentally flew out of where it was bolted into the security system and smashed on the floor."

Not sure what the defense could go with besides saying someone else destroyed them. And barring evidence of that (like a neighbor seeing someone breaking in the house), I don't know that you'd convince a jury.

Depending upon the timeline - which we can only speculate at to this point - AH very well might be able to claim that one of his two buddies (before the police arrived) destroyed the security system. A bit more a stretch, but especially if it turns out that one of the other two was the trigger man, he might also claim that the trigger man broke his phone because it had incriminating evidence to that effect.

Then AH will tell the police which friend it was that destroyed the security system and that one would be the murderer. They then have reason to put pressure on the friend. Telling him that AH snitched on him about destroying the security system. With all loyalties lost, the friend is now free to spill the beans about AH's part in the crime.

At this point, I'm guessing nobody is saying a word. Which is why there hasn't been an arrest of AH or the other two guys.

I'm also skeptical that the random criminal would be able to destroy the security system effectively. In addition to network backups, I would guess the system had a dvr with a standard hard drive recording on loop. Smashing the entire system, after the fact is no guarantee of destroying the evidence. Actually, you wouldn't need to destroy anything except the hard drive. Again, not an easy thing to do.

 

[KCitons]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

And the cleaning crew isn't knowingly trying to hide a crime where they could get 25 to life.

 

[squistion]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch) being an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution. Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

 

[ghostguy123]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.

And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

 

[KCitons]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.

And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

At this point, the cleaning crew can take the money AND still talk to the police. Unless they are afraid AH is going to kill them.

 

[ghostguy123]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

At this point, the cleaning crew can take the money AND still talk to the police. Unless they are afraid AH is going to kill them.

Not if they want that 2nd payment baby.

And the ol " I was afraid for my life" thing could pop up if they truly do get the truth squeezed out of em.

 

[squistion]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.

And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

And, once again, what does this low paid cleaning crew have to gain by lying to the authorities? No crime to be paid extra and agree to keep quiet to the police but then tell the truth when the time comes. If they were paid off I doubt Hernandez would later sue them for breach of contract.

And they (the cleaners) can't be sure that one of Hernandez cohorts will not accept an immunity deal to avoid prosecution and (let's say) give specifics of a crime scene with a description of the evidence they cleaned up. This low paid cleaning crew would then also be facing a obstruction of justice charge carrying up to a 7 year sentence, not worth anything that Hernandez might have paid them.

 

[ghostguy123]

One hell of a tip or not, when Johnny Law is asking you questions you're telling the truth.

Ummmmm, hernandez isn't.

Well, gee, maybe that is because he was possibly involved in murder, tampering with evidence and/or obstruction of justice.

The cleaning people have nothing to gain by lying for him and a lot to lose - it is no crime to be hired to clean up and scrub down a house even if there is something that looks like blood (not saying that was the case). If they were to lie, however, they would also be facing obstruction charges and (although it is a stretch, an accessory after the fact by trying to help him avoid prosecution). Sorry, but to compare the two borders on the absurd.

You are putting a lot more faith in a low paid cleaning crew than me then.And again, I didn't say it was likely at all, but a real possibility. Also a possibility they roll over and change their story to the actual truth also. Who the Hell knows.

It won't be possible to get facts about any of this till a trial or till its all over, if ever.

But discounting it like its not possible is a bit shortsighted. People get paid off. It happens. In this case all they would have to say is it didn't look like blood or a struggle that they cleaned up. With the security footage gone, not hard to get away with that.

And, once again, what does this low paid cleaning crew have to gain by lying to the authorities? No crime to be paid extra and agree to keep quiet to the police but then tell the truth when the time comes. If they were paid off I doubt Hernandez would later sue them for breach of contract.

And they (the cleaners) can't be sure that one of Hernandez cohorts will not accept an immunity deal to avoid prosecution and (let's say) give specifics of a crime scene with a description of the evidence they cleaned up. This low paid cleaning crew would then also be facing a obstruction of justice charge carrying up to a 7 year sentence, not worth anything that Hernandez might have paid them.

Yes, anyone with any sense is well aware of the risk they would be taking.

You simply aren't getting it. It is realistic possibility. That is all.

I also, and sorry to steroetype, don't think a house cleaning service is generally made up of societies brightest.

 

[RavenLunatic]

Have there been other search warrants served on others involved in the case? Still shocked no one is talking about who the other guys are involved. I know AH is the celebrity but for as much as every new commentator likes to portray how much evidence is being collected there seems to be another side of story missing.