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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

HERNANDEZ SUMMARY

Hernandez was involved in an incident in Providence RI. A gun was involved but it wasn’t his. He was mentioned in the police report.
*Hernandez was being harassed by a Jets fan and decided it would be best to leave. When police arrived, another patron discarded a gun and fled the scene. Police detained several people who were following Hernandez.

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
What was the publicly and visibly part?

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
Too early to say anything about anything.

I think the Simpson case is off base, but the Lewis case is close.

Both Lewis and Hernandez faced or are facing Obstruction charges.

Both Obstruction scenarios involved destroying evidence (and with Hernandez maybe more, remains to be seen).

Both involved murder.

Lewis pleaded guilty to Obstruction. Yes (if the the post above is correct) the two suspects got off, but then again how much of that was helped by Lewis' own obstruction? We can never know. How much of Lewis' own participation (if any) played a role in those murders can possibly never be known, but it's possible he helped prevent a provable case against himself being made.

Lewis was allowed to go on and be almost as big of a star as there is in the NFL; winning two championships and an almost certain HOF bust.

The Hernandez situation is too early to compare, but the Pats are certainly yearly contenders for Championships, we know that much. The Goodell power to sit as investigator (with no right of the accused to see the whole evidence), to judge, be the sole juror, and then decide and execute the sentence was partly created because of the Lewis situation. Here we are again, and will the resulting suspension be greater or less than that imposed for the other criminal charges or non-criminal behavior that have resulted in one year suspensions? There is so much to play out but I'd say this is the Lewis situation reborn as of right now.

 
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Sorry if this information has already come out here..

But I heard that both his home seurity system and cell phone have been intentionally destroyed..

I assume he had a servalance system backed up to hard drive that needed to be destroyed to eliminate incriminating evidence.. And I guess there might have been incriminating evidence on his phone? GPS?
Wow. Thanks. The initial reports said his cell phone was accidentally dropped in the toilet, and he slipped and broke his security system. I'm starting to think he may have had something to do with this.
Yeah, that looks bad.

 
Ray's white suit from the night of the murders was never found. Really what Ray pleaded to was lying to police. He then testified against the other two guys that he was with them when they bought the knives, etc. Does it look bad that Ray tossed his suit? Yeah, but it doesn't mean he stabbed anyone.

The two other guys got off because they were acting in self defense. It was a fight outside a bar. It's highly possible if Ray didn't take the plea he would have gotten off too. No prints on the knives found at the scene.

A lot of parallels IMO.

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
Unfortunately, we don't have all the information. We don't know what connection Odin Lloyd had to Hernandez's associates. We don't even know who they are. If we assume for a second that Hernandez wasn't the shooter, why is he protecting these guys. Are they his childhood friends? Are they so mobbed up that he wouldn't dare snitch on them? If Hernandez was their #1 suspect, why would the police not have arrested him by now?

 
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People see what happened with Lewis and somehow associate that a completely independent case with different facts and circumstances and evidence will somehow come to a similar conclusion. They are using a cherry-picked sample size of one as a comparison. IMO a better way to estimate what may happen with Hernandez is to guess as to the results of 1,000 cases that have similar criminal circumstances to where this one is at this point in time. I imagine that less than 5% of those cases had results as positive for the defendant as what occurred with Ray Lewis. Many want to hope for Ray Lewis results for Hernandez when a Rae Carruth outcome seems significantly more likely based on what has been reported as facts up to this point in time.

 
Hes involved somehow, plain and simple. Did he actually pull the trigger, who knows but I doubt it. But I'm pretty sure I know whats going to happen next.

Hes going to be arrested, hes going to realize that he has a hell of a lot more to lose than the other thugs, he'll plea bargin out of jail time (either snitch or pay off the other guys), depending on how long this all takes he could miss half to all of the regular season with legal time plus suspension.

2014 comes and everyone has forgotten and forgiven.

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
Unfortunately, we don't have all the information. We don't know what connection Odin Lloyd had to Hernandez's associates. We don't even know who they are. If we assume for a second that Hernandez wasn't the shooter, why is he protecting these guys. Are they his childhood friends? Are they so mobbed up that he wouldn't dare snitch on them? If Hernandez was their #1 suspect, why would the police not have arrested him by now?
The best answer I've heard is... What's the rush? They know where he lives and where he works. There might also be some discussion about the what the exact charge is on the warrant. It's better to cross the t's and dot the i's than rush it in this situation.

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
Unfortunately, we don't have all the information. We don't know what connection Odin Lloyd had to Hernandez's associates. We don't even know who they are. If we assume for a second that Hernandez wasn't the shooter, why is he protecting these guys. Are they his childhood friends? Are they so mobbed up that he wouldn't dare snitch on them? If Hernandez was their #1 suspect, why would the police not have arrested him by now?
The best answer I've heard is... What's the rush? They know where he lives and where he works. There might also be some discussion about the what the exact charge is on the warrant. It's better to cross the t's and dot the i's than rush it in this situation.
Just thought they might not want a killer walking the street no matter how famous he is. But I know what you are saying it is very important for the police to get it right the first time.

 
Was this a love triangle gone bad? As in Hernandez also likes tight ends? Serious question.
Serious answer...No.

How many love triangles, straight or otherwise, do you see multiple people involved with murder? If the guy ended up dead and no one but Hernandez and his fiancee were around...maybe. However, the guy doesn't seem like he'd be into other dudes to me.
Why not?
Because he doesn't have a lisp?

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
Unfortunately, we don't have all the information. We don't know what connection Odin Lloyd had to Hernandez's associates. We don't even know who they are. If we assume for a second that Hernandez wasn't the shooter, why is he protecting these guys. Are they his childhood friends? Are they so mobbed up that he wouldn't dare snitch on them? If Hernandez was their #1 suspect, why would the police not have arrested him by now?
The best answer I've heard is... What's the rush? They know where he lives and where he works. There might also be some discussion about the what the exact charge is on the warrant. It's better to cross the t's and dot the i's than rush it in this situation.
It's either that or the rapidly disappearing evidence...

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
I disagree.

1. He may not have been the one to destroy the phone and security system - could have been one of his friends. He is under no obligation to make that known now.

2. If he did destroy the phone and security records - he may have eliminated significant evidence against him in a murder trial - I'd say that is a pretty good trade-off.

3. He or his associates may have destroyed the evidence to protect one of the associates.

4. Near as I can tell, we haven't seen him do anything since this all became public to suggest he is worried about a conviction - going to the Patriots facilities, getting gas, etc.

The most likely scenario is that one of the three killed Lloyd - but I have no idea who pulled the trigger. Do you?

 
Couple of what I believe are corrections in red.

HERNANDEZ SUMMARY

So many different repots have come out that I figured I’d offer my own paraphrased version. Many things (old and new) have come to light. We’ll start from oldest to most recent.

While Hernandez was still in college he was investigated regarding a shooting (nothing happened.)

He has been busted several times on marijuana charges.

AH was never busted nor charged for marijuana that I've ever heard. He did fail drug tests given to football players while at U of Florida. He admitted he failed 1 drug test in college, but others say it was 5-6.

Draft scouting reports have come out that he was off many team’s boards entirely due to gang related activity.

Hernandez is accused of being in a cab with a man in Florida and shooting that man in the face. That man has filed suit twice and had it dismissed both times. This is because he refused to cooperate with police and tell him WHO shot him. This man is a convicted drug dealer.

They were not in a cab, they were driving a car. Someone reading the above might get the impression the case was thrown out by the judge twice... it wasn't. The case was filed about a week before the current shooting, and then withdrawn by the plaintiff to fix an error in the description of the medical procedures he went through. It was then resubmitted and has NOT been dismissed, it is still active unless I have totally missed it. But don't read any meaning as to the merits (or not) of the case because it was dismissed once.

Hernandez was involved in an incident in Providence RI. A gun was involved but it wasn’t his. He was mentioned in the police report.

Hernandez was seen leaving a night club with two men and another whom was later murdered. Hernandez was the driver. The car which he rented was at the scene of the murder. The victim died of multiple gunshot wounds. Neighbors reported hearing the shots and seeing Hernandez report home a short time later. Hernandez destroyed his home security system and his cell phone. Cleaning crews were at his home the next day. Search warrants were executed and police left his house with a box containing unknown items. Hernandez tried to get to Gillette stadium but was asked to leave by stadium personel and not return. There have been several reports that an Arrest Warrant had been issued due to Obstruction of Justice due to him being considered a flight risk. This has been confirmed and denied several times now. He has had one sponsorship deal terminated already.

Several unnamed teammates have said that he became more “brazen” after his extension.

My take – This guy is just bad news. He runs with a bad crowd and he obviously makes bad decisions. I have no doubt that he shot that guy in Florida. Drug dealers aren’t ones to run to the cops. I’m sure he was hoping he’d get paid off by Hernandez and when he didn’t cough up the dough he decided to file a suit. He was at the very least present for the murder and will be found as an accessory to murder. He doesn’t play another game.

We’ll see how close I am.
 
"Unfortunately, we don't have all the information. We don't know what connection Odin Lloyd had to Hernandez's associates. We don't even know who they are. If we assume for a second that Hernandez wasn't the shooter, why is he protecting these guys. Are they his childhood friends? Are they so mobbed up that he wouldn't dare snitch on them? If Hernandez was their #1 suspect, why would the police not have arrested him by now?"

IMO the police are getting expert help on this case to make sure they do everything right. They also are going to try to figure out the exact role of each of the three. There is nothing to be gained by making arrests right now. None of these guys are going to cave and volunteer any information upon questioning. This is called "freezing the suspects" - making them squirm pre-arrest, not knowing when the hammer will come down. We already know based on how the crime went down and subsequent events that these are not the brightest crayons in the box. but at least Hernandez' lawyers will be. I'd guess that Hernandez has more than one cell phone, not just the broken one and is in communication with these guys and others. What these three are most likely to do is talk themselves right into the murder charge through communication to themselves and to others. I'll also guess that one of them will do something real stupid the longer they are 'free' to allow the police to put a real tight bow around this investigation.

 
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PFT:

Report: “Paper” warrant issued for HernandezPosted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2013, 7:55 PM EDT
Friday’s ping-pong of published reports regarding whether an arrest warrant for Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez has, or hasn’t, been issued has culminated in a report from FOX 25 that, indeed, a warrant has been issued.

According to the report, it’s a “paper” warrant on the charge of obstruction of justice. The warrant has not yet been entered into the law-enforcement computer system, which prevents police from acting on it.

“It may be that this is a squeeze tactic,” FOX 25 legal analyst Brad Bailey said. “It may be telling Mr. Hernandez that we have a warrant, a warrant for a crime that has a potential maximum penalty of seven years in prison, is a tactic to get him to come to the table, start talking and start cooperating. And that’s where the lawyers may be saying, OK, we got it. You got our attention. We’re willing to respond.”

The charge most likely has been fueled by reports that police believe Hernandez destroyed his cell phone and home-surveillance system. The goal, apparently, is to cajole someone into telling authorities precisely what happened on the night 27-year-old Odin Lloyd was shot, according to the Boston Globe, multiple times.

Basically, if Hernandez wants to avoid doing time for obstructing justice, he needs to quickly help ensure that justice is done.
 
Anybody else find it interesting that ESPN's home page constantly references ABC as the source? I know ESPN and ABC are one. It's either a way of plugging ABC or creating distance in case the reports are erroneous, a good thing for ESPN to do given its "big story" credibility issues on occasion.

 
Anybody else find it interesting that ESPN's home page constantly references ABC as the source? I know ESPN and ABC are one. It's either a way of plugging ABC or creating distance in case the reports are erroneous, a good thing for ESPN to do given its "big story" credibility issues on occasion.
I'm just happy ESPN is covering something other than the NBA Finals.

 
I think people need to step away from the OJ and Ray Lewis cases here. The only similarities are that they were wealthy athletes with top legal counsel. The actual facts and evidence of each case stands alone and separate from one another. Having good attorneys does not mean Hernandez will get off if he actually did it and he hasn't helped himself any since the murder occurred.

Consider that since the murder was committed, which is the most serious crime (obviously), Hernandez has publicly and visibly committed obstruction of justice, a crime which is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. If he was innocent, why would he do that? Answer: He is not innocent. He either did it or was directly involved in the murder itself, which means he could still be convicted of conspiracy, even if he was not the triggerman. If he was smart, why would he do that? Answer: He is obviously not too smart and risked obstruction to help his friends (accomplices) OR he is smart enough to realize that risking up to 5 years is nothing vs a murder or conspiracy conviction if he committed or assisted with murder.

Occam's Razor states that among competing hypotheses, the most simple one is usually correct: Based on what has transpired, Hernandez' actions and what has been publicly reported, Occam's Razor would say this as the most simple one: Hernandez killed Odin Lloyd. That doesn't make it so, just the most likely IMO.
I disagree.

1. He may not have been the one to destroy the phone and security system - could have been one of his friends. He is under no obligation to make that known now.

2. If he did destroy the phone and security records - he may have eliminated significant evidence against him in a murder trial - I'd say that is a pretty good trade-off.

3. He or his associates may have destroyed the evidence to protect one of the associates.

4. Near as I can tell, we haven't seen him do anything since this all became public to suggest he is worried about a conviction - going to the Patriots facilities, getting gas, etc.

The most likely scenario is that one of the three killed Lloyd - but I have no idea who pulled the trigger. Do you?
No, but really what matters is that he's guilty of accessory to murder at the very least.

 
Rotoworld stating the obvious:

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has the jurisdiction to suspend Aaron Hernandez even before he is convicted of any crime.
Under the Personal Conduct Policy, Goodell suspended Ben Roethlisberger six games in 2010 after he was accused of sexual assault by a 20-year-old female. Goodell's premise was that Big Ben "endangered underage college students by purchasing alcohol for them and damaged the NFL’s reputation." He could also argue Hernandez has damaged the league's reputation. Goodell could conceivably suspended Hernandez until his situation clarifies.

Source: FOX Sports
 
Looks like an arrest warrant has been issued for Hernandez today. From the report I read, it was most likely done for the potential obstruction of justice--as well as to motivate him to fully co-operate with the authorities. Even if he's cleared of being the shooter himself--this warrant might be enough for Goddell to think his involvement is deep enough to suspend. Interesting to see what happens.

 
I'm starting to think he could get out of this without jail time. The police have no idea what happened, specifically, as in who shot the guy. They have no weapon, and no witnesses. I don't see how they convict anyone of murder without someone talking.

They have the most leverage over Hernandez because he has the obstruction charges hanging over his head. Assuming he wasn't the shooter, if he rolls, he can probably plea down to something, maybe even keep it at "just" obstruction and avoid a long prison sentence.

Just spitballin' here, but I just don't see how the cops make a case without a witness.

 
I'm starting to think he could get out of this without jail time. The police have no idea what happened, specifically, as in who shot the guy. They have no weapon, and no witnesses. I don't see how they convict anyone of murder without someone talking.

They have the most leverage over Hernandez because he has the obstruction charges hanging over his head. Assuming he wasn't the shooter, if he rolls, he can probably plea down to something, maybe even keep it at "just" obstruction and avoid a long prison sentence.

Just spitballin' here, but I just don't see how the cops make a case without a witness.
We have no idea what the police know. All we have are a bunch of media reports. And those guys have said more than once that an arrest warrant has been issued. Still no arrest.

Give it time. I was surprised to hear reports about him being a flight risk. (but, now I think that was just another case of misreporting) Hernandez is not going anywhere.

So, no need to hurry through this process. Because this is a high profile case, everyone thinks it should be solved in a 60 minute episode of CSI. There are murder cases all over this country that take months to make arrests.

 

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