Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[Maurile Tremblay]

But I don't think Hernandez was the triggerman.

It seems to me that he's one of the three most likely people in the world to have been the triggerman.

A 33 percent chance he did it means there's a 66 percent chance he didn't. Don't forget the girlfriend too. That makes 4 likely triggermen.

A 25 percent chance he did it won't get him convicted of murder, however.

He doesn't need to be convicted of murder. Conspiracy to commit murder carries the same punishment as murder. Accessory after the fact and/or obstruction of justice can also carry serious penalties.

The media has reported that Hernandez destroyed his cell phone, erased his security videos, and had a cleaning service scrub his place clean. His attorney issued a statement blasting the media for being inaccurate about an arrest warrant having been issued, but he didn't say anything about the media being wrong about tampering with evidence. He also didn't say that the media was wrong about Hernandez and two other guys being seen with Lloyd before his death, neighbors hearing gun shots, then Hernandez and two other guys being spotted returning to Hernandez's place just afterwards.

It's possible that none of that will turn out to be correct, but if so, it's a bit odd that Hernandez's attorney didn't mention any of that stuff — only the warrant.

If what's been reported is true, obstruction charges sound like a slam dunk, and some kind of conspiracy or accessory charge may be a pretty good bet well.

He need not have pulled the trigger in order to spend significant time in prison.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

There's nothing more irritating than watching the rampant display of belief in the "given" truth. The number of sycophants I witness daily gives me little hope that humans will survive in the long run. It's sad. We have had so much potential.

corrected

Yeah, but we're still around, so technically we still have a chance.

 

[jmo87usc]

Worst SP thread ever?

no way grass hopper, this is one of the best, when this breaks lots of posters will be eating crow. This will not end well

I disagree. There will be very few "eating crow". The opinion of many is that AH was involved and will be severely punished, but only a small minority are being extrememly adamant about his fate being already sealed.

The other half are optimistic that the due process will work in his favor. Not necessarily that he is innocent, but he will not be convicted to the highest degree due to lawyers and lack of proof.

It's been a pretty healthy discussion. It just goes in circles and no one has any real proof. Just opinions. It will be interesting to look back on this once we know the verdict.

 

[PatsFanCT]

But I don't think Hernandez was the triggerman.

It seems to me that he's one of the three most likely people in the world to have been the triggerman.

A 33 percent chance he did it means there's a 66 percent chance he didn't. Don't forget the girlfriend too. That makes 4 likely triggermen.

A 25 percent chance he did it won't get him convicted of murder, however.

25 percent chance doesn't get him arrested or charged with murder. Nevermind a conviction

Doesn't need to be the shooter to go down for murder. If there is enough circumstantial evidence, they can charge three of them, four if you like the GF here, with conspiracy to commit murder. Then it becomes as simple as 4 go out, 3 come back, 1 is dead - then let the jury weigh in on it. Given all of the circumstantial evididence including the fact they were together, nobody has offered a story about why the victim was missing, shots heard by neighbors, video of AH and his buddies showing up shortly after shots fired, phone destroyed, security system destroyed, cleaning company called...

I don't think it's unreasonable for a jury to conclude, based on that evidence, that one of them was a shooter, and they acted in concert, and convict them all. If nothing else it might persuade one of them to talk, because, I don't think you can leave that narrative in the minds of the jurors, and have them naturally wonder why nobody is offering a different explanation - protections against testifying notwithstanding.

This case is probably too high profile to simply shrug your shoulders. In the absence of other compelling suspects or alibis, the DA will ultimately pursue this angle, without a witness or weapon.

Hernandez' defensive team would LOVE to have you on the jury. Just to laugh at you when he walked.

 

[cstu]

But I don't think Hernandez was the triggerman.

It seems to me that he's one of the three most likely people in the world to have been the triggerman.

A 33 percent chance he did it means there's a 66 percent chance he didn't. Don't forget the girlfriend too. That makes 4 likely triggermen.

A 25 percent chance he did it won't get him convicted of murder, however.

25 percent chance doesn't get him arrested or charged with murder. Nevermind a conviction

Doesn't need to be the shooter to go down for murder. If there is enough circumstantial evidence, they can charge three of them, four if you like the GF here, with conspiracy to commit murder. Then it becomes as simple as 4 go out, 3 come back, 1 is dead - then let the jury weigh in on it. Given all of the circumstantial evididence including the fact they were together, nobody has offered a story about why the victim was missing, shots heard by neighbors, video of AH and his buddies showing up shortly after shots fired, phone destroyed, security system destroyed, cleaning company called...

I don't think it's unreasonable for a jury to conclude, based on that evidence, that one of them was a shooter, and they acted in concert, and convict them all. If nothing else it might persuade one of them to talk, because, I don't think you can leave that narrative in the minds of the jurors, and have them naturally wonder why nobody is offering a different explanation - protections against testifying notwithstanding.

This case is probably too high profile to simply shrug your shoulders. In the absence of other compelling suspects or alibis, the DA will ultimately pursue this angle, without a witness or weapon.

Hernandez' defensive team would LOVE to have you on the jury. Just to laugh at you when he walked.

Pretend this isn't a football player you are a fan of...Four men leave a club together and one is found shot to death an hour later. None of the three men have an alibi as to where they between the club and the time of death. Sorry, but I'd vote guilty for all of them.

 

[KCitons]

Serious question, why are all the court documents being sealed? Is it just because of the high profile?

 

[Anarchy99]

Serious question, why are all the court documents being sealed? Is it just because of the high profile?

I think everyone involved in this case from law enforcement to the court clerks to the DA to the judge, etc. doesn't want the chance of things to bite them in the butt downstream and hear cries of an unfair trial, a mistrial, mass information spread through the media, etc. Who knows, there may be other people involved somehow doing things that may be embarrassing or damaging that they don't really want out in miss circulation (say interviews with Pats players, intel from informants, witnesses that were someplace they really weren't supposed to be, etc. as wild possibilities).

 

[Tool]

But I don't think Hernandez was the triggerman.

It seems to me that he's one of the three most likely people in the world to have been the triggerman.

A 33 percent chance he did it means there's a 66 percent chance he didn't. Don't forget the girlfriend too. That makes 4 likely triggermen.

A 25 percent chance he did it won't get him convicted of murder, however.

25 percent chance doesn't get him arrested or charged with murder. Nevermind a conviction

Doesn't need to be the shooter to go down for murder. If there is enough circumstantial evidence, they can charge three of them, four if you like the GF here, with conspiracy to commit murder. Then it becomes as simple as 4 go out, 3 come back, 1 is dead - then let the jury weigh in on it. Given all of the circumstantial evididence including the fact they were together, nobody has offered a story about why the victim was missing, shots heard by neighbors, video of AH and his buddies showing up shortly after shots fired, phone destroyed, security system destroyed, cleaning company called...

I don't think it's unreasonable for a jury to conclude, based on that evidence, that one of them was a shooter, and they acted in concert, and convict them all. If nothing else it might persuade one of them to talk, because, I don't think you can leave that narrative in the minds of the jurors, and have them naturally wonder why nobody is offering a different explanation - protections against testifying notwithstanding.

This case is probably too high profile to simply shrug your shoulders. In the absence of other compelling suspects or alibis, the DA will ultimately pursue this angle, without a witness or weapon.

Hernandez' defensive team would LOVE to have you on the jury. Just to laugh at you when he walked.

Pretend this isn't a football player you are a fan of...Four men leave a club together and one is found shot to death an hour later. None of the three men have an alibi as to where they between the club and the time of death. Sorry, but I'd vote guilty for all of them.

Thank you for apologizing.

 

[yellowdog]

Per espn radio, Aaron Hernandez taken from his home in cuffs.

 

[unckeyherb]

Taken out of house in cuffs, per M&M

 

[RalphMouth]

arrested development

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

arrested development

Nice

 

[Max Power]

Did they know what the charge is?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

surprised it took so long. we finally get the money shot of AH in cuffs.

 

[yellowdog]

Did they know what the charge is?

No

 

[jmo87usc]

I really hope they forgot to read his Miranda Rights....says wishful new Hernandez owner.

 

[KCitons]

So with the court docs sealed, will the charges be released?

 

[Amused to Death]

And there goes his 2013 season...

 

[Raiderfan32904]

ABC News in boston says he's being charged with accessory to the crime of murder. but that's not been confirmed yet.

 

[gump]

Lester Munson really laying it on thick about how Prosecutors love the Perp Walk in a high profile case...regardless of charges.

 

[Warrior]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

 

[jurb26]

AH detained.

Taken away in handcuffs this morning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000214815/article/aaron-hernandez-taken-from-home-in-handcuffs?akmobile=ios-tablet&akcarrier=other

 

[thriftyrocker]

ABC News in boston says he's being charged with accessory to the crime of murder. but that's not been confirmed yet.

This link from ABC says still just obstruction http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/sports&id=9152561

Big diff between accessory before the fact vs. after the fact.

 

[jmo87usc]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

Is there such a crowd? Or are you confusing it with the "He did something, but hopefully he gets off" crowd?

 

[Warrior]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

Is there such a crowd? Or are you confusing it with the "He did something, but hopefully he gets off" crowd?

I'm likely confusing them.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Would imagine that they've got things pretty tight if they did the perp walk.

Will be interesting to see if it's obstruction with the possiblity of more charges, or if they went ahead and included those today.

 

[unckeyherb]

Lester Munson really laying it on thick about how Prosecutors love the Perp Walk in a high profile case...regardless of charges.

Yeah I thought was weird. Sounded like someone peed in his cheerios this morning.

 

[Max Power]

Would imagine that they've got things pretty tight if they did the perp walk.

Will be interesting to see if it's obstruction with the possiblity of more charges, or if they went ahead and included those today.

My gut feeling is that there has to be more than just obstruction. We all knew those charges were likely coming anyway and there was no "rush" to bring him in for that alone. I'd guess they pieced together enough evidence for an additional charge.

 

[unckeyherb]

Would imagine that they've got things pretty tight if they did the perp walk.

Will be interesting to see if it's obstruction with the possiblity of more charges, or if they went ahead and included those today.

My gut feeling is that there has to be more than just obstruction. We all knew those charges were likely coming anyway and there was no "rush" to bring him in for that alone. I'd guess they pieced together enough evidence for an additional charge.

agreed

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Would imagine that they've got things pretty tight if they did the perp walk.

Will be interesting to see if it's obstruction with the possiblity of more charges, or if they went ahead and included those today.

My gut feeling is that there has to be more than just obstruction. We all knew those charges were likely coming anyway and there was no "rush" to bring him in for that alone. I'd guess they pieced together enough evidence for an additional charge.

Agreed.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

Is there such a crowd? Or are you confusing it with the "He did something, but hopefully he gets off" crowd?

Because those people are so much more noble, hoping a potential murderer walks to help out their fantasy football teams.

 

[RUSF18]

Was there some kind of struggle? Guy couldn't put his arms through the sleeves of his white T before getting cuffed?

 

[HellToupee]

Lester Munson really laying it on thick about how Prosecutors love the Perp Walk in a high profile case...regardless of charges.

They do.Who doesn't like a great perp walk?

 

[Anarchy99]

Was there some kind of struggle? Guy couldn't put his arms through the sleeves of his white T before getting cuffed?

He was not wearing a shirt on when they put the cuffs on him. Looks like he threw a shirt on after.

 

[Rick James]

I really hope they forgot to read his Miranda Rights....says wishful new Hernandez owner.

If they're not interrogating him, they didn't need to read him the rights.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Was there some kind of struggle? Guy couldn't put his arms through the sleeves of his white T before getting cuffed?

Probably hiding the cuffs?

 

[jurb26]

Sounds like AH already has an All Star defense team lined up. This should get even more interesting/media attention once the charges are laid out....

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://stuffwithstephy.blogspot.com/2013/06/aaron-hernandez-cuffed-and-stuffed.html

 

[Sinn Fein]

Probably won't be suspended though - this is all just a misunderstanding.

 

[HellToupee]

Charges wont be announced until arraignment later today

 

[Shutout]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

Is there such a crowd? Or are you confusing it with the "He did something, but hopefully he gets off" crowd?

Because those people are so much more noble, hoping a potential murderer walks to help out their fantasy football teams.

THis is a big thread so maybe someone did say that. I haven't seen it.

I see it more as a case of there are still people in our country that are willing to not have to have instantaneous gratification on something and are willing to let due process of the law be unfurled so that the person who is innocent until proven guilty actually gets due legal process before we slam the gavel and play judge, jury, and executioner in what could literally be a man's fate.

Its very easy to be catty and toss something out there and make it sound as if the people are saying "hey, let's not send him to the chair this morning" are just being superficial and only making their statements based on the impact it has to a fantasy football team but it is also just as easy to say that the people wanting to announce his automatic guilt, based purely on speculation and based nothing on due process of the law is based on nothing more than the opposite biases of not liking the Patriots, feeling they have something to gain if someone else's player goes to jail, or just wanting to be the guy that says "look at me. Told you so". Sounds pretty bad the other way too, huh?

I hope neither scenario is the case but if they both are, I would rather be on the side saying "I hope you guys jumped the gun in convicting him and, after being given fair due process, we find out who the true guilty parties are and that he is not one of them" much more than being on the side saying "burn the witches and who cares if he is innocent."

 

[Henry Ford]

Welker sitting in Denver laughing his ### off, I'd imagine.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@HubbuchNYP: RT @Giants_101: @HubbuchNYP The fact that they didn't give Hernandez the option to turn himself in is very telling, though. That's damning.

 

[jurb26]

@HubbuchNYP: RT @Giants_101: @HubbuchNYP The fact that they didn't give Hernandez the option to turn himself in is very telling, though. That's damning.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I'm guessing there are a slew of charges coming his way.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

No one in this thread has the power to slam the gavel, or play judge, jury or executioner. We have judges and juries for that. Everyone else is free to look at the evidence as they understand it and make their best guess as to what's going to happen.

And the evidence as presented so far looks pretty damning.

I see it more as a case of there are still people in our country that are willing to not have to have instantaneous gratification on something and are willing to let due process of the law be unfurled so that the person who is innocent until proven guilty actually gets due legal process before we slam the gavel and play judge, jury, and executioner in what could literally be a man's fate.

 

[KCitons]

One article I read, said the cops didn't show him any favors either because of the obstruction he did, or that they wanted to treat him the same as any other murder suspect.

 

[steveski]

@HubbuchNYP: RT @Giants_101: @HubbuchNYP The fact that they didn't give Hernandez the option to turn himself in is very telling, though. That's damning.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I'm guessing there are a slew of charges coming his way.

Agreed. Doesn't sound like just an obstruction charge. Then again, I'm a software developer.

 

[Sinn Fein]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

Is there such a crowd? Or are you confusing it with the "He did something, but hopefully he gets off" crowd?

Because those people are so much more noble, hoping a potential murderer walks to help out their fantasy football teams.

THis is a big thread so maybe someone did say that. I haven't seen it.

I see it more as a case of there are still people in our country that are willing to not have to have instantaneous gratification on something and are willing to let due process of the law be unfurled so that the person who is innocent until proven guilty actually gets due legal process before we slam the gavel and play judge, jury, and executioner in what could literally be a man's fate.

Its very easy to be catty and toss something out there and make it sound as if the people are saying "hey, let's not send him to the chair this morning" are just being superficial and only making their statements based on the impact it has to a fantasy football team but it is also just as easy to say that the people wanting to announce his automatic guilt, based purely on speculation and based nothing on due process of the law is based on nothing more than the opposite biases of not liking the Patriots, feeling they have something to gain if someone else's player goes to jail, or just wanting to be the guy that says "look at me. Told you so". Sounds pretty bad the other way too, huh?

I hope neither scenario is the case but if they both are, I would rather be on the side saying "I hope you guys jumped the gun in convicting him and, after being given fair due process, we find out who the true guilty parties are and that he is not one of them" much more than being on the side saying "burn the witches and who cares if he is innocent."

I think you are misreading the situation. First, there is no presumption of innocence in the court of public opinion. Second, I think most people looked at the evidence that was presented in the media, and made a determination that AH was involved, in some way, with a murder. Thats a reasonable assumption given the evidence we know. Its also reasonable to think there is additional evidence that may weigh on people's decisions - pro and con.

It also says nothing as to whether a DA can prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt - but from a public perception standpoint, the burden is now on Hernandez to prove to teh public he was not involved - otherwise, regardless of the outcome at trial, he will be perceived as guilty.

 

[GregR]

Serious question, why are all the court documents being sealed? Is it just because of the high profile?

According to ESPN, the results of the search warrants would normally be made public after 7 days. So it was essentially done to stop that info from being released to the public yet.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

slow-clap for the "he didn't do anything and won't be charged" crowd

Is there such a crowd? Or are you confusing it with the "He did something, but hopefully he gets off" crowd?

Because those people are so much more noble, hoping a potential murderer walks to help out their fantasy football teams.

THis is a big thread so maybe someone did say that. I haven't seen it.

I see it more as a case of there are still people in our country that are willing to not have to have instantaneous gratification on something and are willing to let due process of the law be unfurled so that the person who is innocent until proven guilty actually gets due legal process before we slam the gavel and play judge, jury, and executioner in what could literally be a man's fate.

Its very easy to be catty and toss something out there and make it sound as if the people are saying "hey, let's not send him to the chair this morning" are just being superficial and only making their statements based on the impact it has to a fantasy football team but it is also just as easy to say that the people wanting to announce his automatic guilt, based purely on speculation and based nothing on due process of the law is based on nothing more than the opposite biases of not liking the Patriots, feeling they have something to gain if someone else's player goes to jail, or just wanting to be the guy that says "look at me. Told you so". Sounds pretty bad the other way too, huh?

I hope neither scenario is the case but if they both are, I would rather be on the side saying "I hope you guys jumped the gun in convicting him and, after being given fair due process, we find out who the true guilty parties are and that he is not one of them" much more than being on the side saying "burn the witches and who cares if he is innocent."

I was only signaling out the poster I directly responed to, and in honesty it was tongue in cheek anyway. He stated, that he hopes Hernandez gets off on a techinicality because he just traded for him. If he really feels that way, while he probably has priorites that I think are a little out of whack - it's none of my business.

There is nothing wrong with anyone that wants due process to play out, before they make a final judgment. It's fairly obvious to me that he's involved in this mess, at the very least peripherally - but I can't blame those wanting for it to play out first.