Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[Spin]

loooool pats fans discuss what to do with their hernandez jerseys

best answer:

Those of you with #85 Hernandez jerseys from his rookie season, replace the name bar with "Ochocinco", then throw it out.

I'll bet none of them recommended making the #81 into a Russ Francis jersey. Mainly because there were no Patriots fans back then.

 

[kutta]

I've read about 3 of every 10 pages in this thread. Practically everyone vocal in this thread is saying this is a slam dunk. The media really does control most of your thoughts and ideas, you pathetic herd of cattle. There's a reason a person is considered innocent until proven guilty and it's because the horror of a sending an innocent man to prison is thousands times worse than freeing a guilty man. It's also easy to conclude a verdict without seeing all the evidence. I hope none of you have ever been on a jury with a person's fate in your hands. Let's let this trial play out before we condemn someone.

There are several plausible scenarios that could justify AH's innocence. Perhaps he's so deep in gang b.s. that he was forced to murder his buddy. If he doesn't comply then he would be tortured/killed/ or his family tortured/killed. There have probably been thousands of "slam dunk" cases historically where the defendant is legitimately innocent (sometimes not discovered until years later). Being setup should not be ruled out as an explanation for AH's involvement. It's hard for me to understand how dumb he'd have to be to do everything exactly wrong. In fact, it's so ridiculous I think a setup is more likely than AH murdering someone.

Most people who believe that everything is some kind of conspiracy are idiots. They also like to think that they are the smart ones while everyone else is stupid. But yeah, we are all "pathetic herd of cattle." You truly have it all figured out...

So while I just called the majority of posters in here a "pathetic herd of cattle" you, while trying to dispute me, actually call that same group of people, "idiots". I think you just proved my point.

Do you realize that if you believe AH is guilty of conspiring to murder, your belief is in fact, believing in "some kind of conspiracy"?

dude, I don't know if this is trolling, or whatever, but while you have a very valid point -- the guy is obviously guilty if the evidence presented is legit.

maybe at trial we find out it was all made up, but in the meantime I will speculate that he is guilty.

but, don't worry -- I have no plans to incarcerate him.

btw, oj also did it.

I'm not trolling and it's fine to speculate. I'm speaking directly to the posters who are violently adamant that their views - which are inferred by the leaked info - are the "right" view.

Let's put it this way, if I had to bet on his innocence or guilt I'd bet on his guilt but not by a landslide. It's actually pretty close for me....because the leaked info is almost too perfect, and because of that I do put more weight on a setup than I would if there was less obvious evidence.

So one more time for clarity, my point in prodding was to pick a fight with those who are violently adamant they know the truth without even hearing/seeing all the evidence.

I'll tell you what. If you don't think it's a landslide, how about we bet and I give you 5 to 1 odds. I'll take the guilty side, you take the innocent side. I'll do whatever $$ amount you want.

I'll take that bet all day. I'll put $20 up against your $100.

OK. Virtual handshake and it's a bet. We'll have to wait awhile, but I promise I'll pay up if I lose.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

so, you guys will wait out all appeals, right?

because I think manson is still appealing (no homo)

 

[werdnoynek]

so, you guys will wait out all appeals, right?

because I think manson is still appealing (no homo)

 

[PatsWillWin]

Let's put it this way, if I had to bet on his innocence or guilt I'd bet on his guilt but not by a landslide. It's actually pretty close for me....because the leaked info is almost too perfect, and because of that I do put more weight on a setup than I would if there was less obvious evidence.

The damaging evidence was not "leaked." It was described in open court to a judge. It is compelling. Hernandez is almost certainly guilty of murder.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is improperly understood by some.

There are two kinds of innocence: legal innocence and factual innocence. "Innocent until proven guilty" applies only to legal innocence.

When you murder someone, you're still legally innocent until you're finally convicted. But you're factually guilty immediately upon pulling the trigger.

It is not a violation of the "innocent until proven guilty" principle to say that even though he is legally innocent for the time being, Aaron Hernandez very likely killed a man.

You're wrong. Assuming someone is guilty before they have a chance to defend themselves is unfair and a complete violation of the principle.

AH may have killed a man by his own intent.

AH may have killed a man under the orders of someone he was fearful, who threatened to harm/kill/torture his family or AH himself.

AH, by his own intent, may have assisted in murdering a man.

AH, under the power of someone else, may have been ordered to watch and help cover up the murder of a man.

The possibilities are numerous and all share a portion of probability. To bang the table for any option without hearing ALL evidence from BOTH parties is arrogant and lazy.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal status that is meant to protect citizens from the government throwing them in jail or taking their stuff for no reason. It has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with morons on an internet forum saying he is or is not guilty.

Hernandez already is what he is - a killer or not. The legal system will determine his legal status. You don't have to wait for it to do so.

 

[ghostguy123]

"You're wrong. Assuming someone is guilty before they have a chance to defend themselves is unfair and a complete violation of the principle. "

----Umm, I am pretty sure the Prosecuters and detective assume he is guilty, hence the charges.

----I assume he is guilty because professional prosecuters found enough evidence after a ton of man hours were spent collecting evidence that led to the charges.

But regardless of who assumes what, it needs to be PROVEN in court. THAT is the principle.

Hell, OJ, got off, and everyone continues to assume he did it.....cause he did.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

loooool pats fans discuss what to do with their hernandez jerseys

best answer:

Those of you with #85 Hernandez jerseys from his rookie season, replace the name bar with "Ochocinco", then throw it out.

I'll bet none of them recommended making the #81 into a Russ Francis jersey. Mainly because there were no Patriots fans back then.

My Stephen Starring No. 81 jersey has taken on a whole new meaning.

 

[GregR]

Question for our resident lawyers.

When they go to trial, on the murder charge, will the jury's only choice be guilty or not guilty of 1st degree murder? Or can they find him guilty of a lesser charge if they think he's the gunman but it was 2nd degree or manslaughter?

 

[ghostguy123]

Question for our resident lawyers.

When they go to trial, on the murder charge, will the jury's only choice be guilty or not guilty of 1st degree murder? Or can they find him guilty of a lesser charge if they think he's the gunman but it was 2nd degree or manslaughter?

The jury can only find the defendant either guilty or not guilty of specific charges presented to them. They can't decide "hey, we dont wanna get him for murder, but manslaughter sounds more fitting, cause he isn't innocent".

 

[GregR]

Never mind, found the answer to my question. Wasn't sure what it was called, but found it under the term Lesser Included Offenses. They can find him guilty of a lesser form of murder.

A lesser included offense, in criminal law, is a crime for which all of the elements necessary to impose liability are also elements found in a more serious crime. It is also used in non-criminal violations of law, such as certain classes of traffic offenses.

For example, the common law crime of larceny requires the taking and carrying away of tangible property from another person, with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of that property. Robbery, under the common law, requires all of the same elements, plus the use of force or intimidation to accomplish the taking. Therefore, larceny is a lesser included offense in the offense of robbery, as every robbery includes a larceny as part of the crime. Assault is also a lesser included offense of robbery, just as battery is necessarily a lesser included offense to murder, and false imprisonment is usually a lesser included offense to kidnapping.

In the case of traffic offenses, serious misconduct while operating a motor vehicle can result in a charge of reckless driving, which could, in egregious cases, be punishable as a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment as well as a potential fine. However, if the person charged proves to the court their actions were not as serious to constitute recklessness, may in some jurisdictions qualify as the lesser-included offense of improper driving, which is not a crime and is only punishable by a fine.

Merger doctrineUnder the merger doctrine as this term is used in criminal law, lesser included offenses generally merge into the greater offense. Therefore, a person who commits a robbery can not be convicted of both the robbery and the larceny that was part of it.

Solicitation to commit a crime and attempt to commit a crime, although not strictly speaking lesser included offenses, merge into the completed crime. As an important exception, the crime of conspiracy does not merge into the completed crime.

In the United States, even if any of the states were to eliminate the merger doctrine, a conviction for both an offense and any of its lesser-included offenses, not tried in the same case, might be found to be prohibited by the Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution as interpreted by the U.S. Supreme Court in Blockburger v. United States, 284 U.S. 299 (1932).

Use in jury proceedingsIn criminal jury trials, the court is permitted (but not required) to instruct jurors that they can find the defendant guilty of the most serious crime charged, or of a lesser included offense of that crime (in English law, this is termed an alternative verdict).

In murder cases, however, where a convicted defendant may face capital punishment, the United States Supreme Court has held that the court must instruct the jury that they may find the defendant guilty of a lesser included offense such as voluntary manslaughter.[1] The reasoning for this ruling is that jurors, given the options of convicting a less culpable killer or letting him go free, might opt to convict of a more serious crime than the facts warrant. Therefore, they must have at least one option that falls in between these extremes.

In the case in which the jury has the option of convicting a defendant accused of a violation of law where there is a lesser included offense, if the jury acquits the defendant of the more serious offense but is otherwise unable to reach a verdict (i.e., is hung) on the lesser included offense, the defendant may be retried if the prosecutor chooses, but only for the lesser included offense. If the jury finds the defendant not guilty of the lesser included offense, there would be no need to make a determination on the more serious offense, as acquittal of a lesser included offense automatically constitutes acquittal of the more serious offense.

 

[ghostguy123]

Never mind, answered my own question. Wasn't sure what it was called, but finally found it under the term Lesser Included Offenses. So a jury can convict him of 2nd degree or of manslaughter if they think those are proven but 1st degree isn't, and the jury must be instructed of this in murder cases according to a Supreme Court ruling.

A buffet of options for the jury, how lovely.

That "lesser charge" still means no more football and AH will be another Ray Caruth footnote in NFL lore.

 

[thatguythere]

This was posted in the FFA thread:

found this on reddit:

The charges:

• Murder
• Carrying a firearm without a license
• Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
• Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:

• Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
• 5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
• Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
• Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
• Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
• Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
• Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
• Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
• The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
• A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
• hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
• Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
• at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
• 9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
• 9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ### up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ### up"
• The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
• Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
• the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
• the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
• at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
• Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
• They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
• during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
• he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
• At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
• at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
• at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
• Surveilance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
• between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
• cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the muder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
• Hernandez's own Surveilance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
• Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
• autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
• two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistend with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
• at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
• they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
• all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
• later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
• one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving boston and arriving back at home.
• He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
• At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the murder weapon.
• Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
• Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crimescene
• They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
• The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
• further search warrant of Hernandezs's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity .762 hungarian semi auto rifle, 32 round clip fully loaded. Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
• Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernnadez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
• hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperanting until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
• the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

EDIT: there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)

I think they could have probably left this one out and this would still have came across as believable.....maybe they brought in George Wilbur...

 

[domvin]

I've read about 3 of every 10 pages in this thread. Practically everyone vocal in this thread is saying this is a slam dunk. The media really does control most of your thoughts and ideas, you pathetic herd of cattle. There's a reason a person is considered innocent until proven guilty and it's because the horror of a sending an innocent man to prison is thousands times worse than freeing a guilty man. It's also easy to conclude a verdict without seeing all the evidence. I hope none of you have ever been on a jury with a person's fate in your hands. Let's let this trial play out before we condemn someone.

There are several plausible scenarios that could justify AH's innocence. Perhaps he's so deep in gang b.s. that he was forced to murder his buddy. If he doesn't comply then he would be tortured/killed/ or his family tortured/killed. There have probably been thousands of "slam dunk" cases historically where the defendant is legitimately innocent (sometimes not discovered until years later). Being setup should not be ruled out as an explanation for AH's involvement. It's hard for me to understand how dumb he'd have to be to do everything exactly wrong. In fact, it's so ridiculous I think a setup is more likely than AH murdering someone.

Most people who believe that everything is some kind of conspiracy are idiots. They also like to think that they are the smart ones while everyone else is stupid. But yeah, we are all "pathetic herd of cattle." You truly have it all figured out...

So while I just called the majority of posters in here a "pathetic herd of cattle" you, while trying to dispute me, actually call that same group of people, "idiots". I think you just proved my point. Do you realize that if you believe AH is guilty of conspiring to murder, your belief is in fact, believing in "some kind of conspiracy"?

dude, I don't know if this is trolling, or whatever, but while you have a very valid point -- the guy is obviously guilty if the evidence presented is legit.

maybe at trial we find out it was all made up, but in the meantime I will speculate that he is guilty.

but, don't worry -- I have no plans to incarcerate him.

btw, oj also did it.

I'm not trolling and it's fine to speculate. I'm speaking directly to the posters who are violently adamant that their views - which are inferred by the leaked info - are the "right" view.Let's put it this way, if I had to bet on his innocence or guilt I'd bet on his guilt but not by a landslide. It's actually pretty close for me....because the leaked info is almost too perfect, and because of that I do put more weight on a setup than I would if there was less obvious evidence.

So one more time for clarity, my point in prodding was to pick a fight with those who are violently adamant they know the truth without even hearing/seeing all the evidence.

I'll tell you what. If you don't think it's a landslide, how about we bet and I give you 5 to 1 odds. I'll take the guilty side, you take the innocent side. I'll do whatever $$ amount you want.

I'll take that bet all day. I'll put $20 up against your $100.

You must not have seen his defense attorney. He is trying the liar liar pants on fire argument...... And that AH is a homeowner.

 

[Amused to Death]

A second man is being held in connection with Odin Lloyd murder case


One of the other two men allegedly with Aaron Hernandez and Odin Lloyd at the time of Lloyd’s death possibly is in police custody.

According to the Boston Globe, 27-year-old Carlos Ortiz is being held at the Hartford Correctional Center “in connection to the [Lloyd] case.” Bail has been set for Ortiz at $1.5 million. The records in Ortiz’s case have been sealed, according to Nick Underhill of MassLive.com.

According to the Hartford Courant, Ortiz has waived extradition to Massachusetts. He was due in court Wednesday on a charge of violating probation, and he has a record of convictions for larceny and criminal mischief.

Evidence summarized by prosecutor Bill McCauley at the Wednesday arraignment of Aaron Hernandez strongly suggests that someone in the car other than Hernandez and Lloyd informed police that Hernandez spoke to Lloyd of being upset with something Lloyd had said to others about Hernandez two nights earlier, and that Hernandez believed he couldn’t “trust” the victim.

This implies that one or both of the other two men in the car already have cooperated with police.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/27/another-man-is-being-held-in-connection-with-odin-lloyd-murder-case/

 

[DoubleG]

Note to self: if I ever want to get a job involving the NFL, fantasy football or sports in general, be sure to take several criminal law classes first.

 

[Max Power]

This was posted in the FFA thread:

found this on reddit:

The charges:

• Murder
• Carrying a firearm without a license
• Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
• Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:

• Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
• 5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
• Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
• Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
• Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
• Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
• Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
• Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
• The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
• A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
• hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
• Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
• at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
• 9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
• 9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ### up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ### up"
• The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
• Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
• the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
• the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
• at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
• Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
• They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
• during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
• he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
• At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
• at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
• at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
• Surveilance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
• between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
• cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the muder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
• Hernandez's own Surveilance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
• Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
• autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
• two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistend with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
• at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
• they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
• all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
• later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
• one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving boston and arriving back at home.
• He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
• At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the murder weapon.
• Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
• Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crimescene
• They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
• The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
• further search warrant of Hernandezs's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity .762 hungarian semi auto rifle, 32 round clip fully loaded. Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
• Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernnadez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
• hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperanting until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
• the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

EDIT: there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)

I think they could have probably left this one out and this would still have came across as believable.....maybe they brought in George Wilbur...

They can still do forensics on the tires and match the exact set to the crime scene. But I agree, stating its a FWD doesnt do much for the case.

 

[Sabertooth]

Breaking News: Hernandez was released in my dynasty league this morning in favor of Jake Ballard.

Shark move.

Well the shark move would have been dumping him for a future 1st or 2nd while you had the chance and then grabbing Ballard (what I did.)

i traded him last year for Romo in a super flex

 

[Phenix]

I see why this Robin Sax chick on NFL AM is an analyst and not a real lawyer anymore. Proof looks do not make a good lawyer, lol.

 

[Phenix]

This was posted in the FFA thread:

found this on reddit:

The charges:

• Murder
• Carrying a firearm without a license
• Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
• Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2

The evidence:

• Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
• 5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
• Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
• Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
• Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
• Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
• Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
• Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernadez's Fiance
• The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
• A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
• hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
• Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
• at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
• 9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
• 9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ### up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ### up"
• The man he was texting and one other showed up at hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
• Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
• the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on survelliance, phone records and cell tower
• the went from Hernadez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
• at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking mariujana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
• Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
• They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
• during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together friday night.
• he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
• At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
• at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
• at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
• Surveilance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
• between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
• cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the muder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
• Hernandez's own Surveilance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
• Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
• autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
• two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistend with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
• at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
• they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
• all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
• later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
• one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving boston and arriving back at home.
• He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
• At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the murder weapon.
• Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
• Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crimescene
• They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
• The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a florida gunstore. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
• further search warrant of Hernandezs's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity .762 hungarian semi auto rifle, 32 round clip fully loaded. Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
• Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernnadez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
• hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperanting until a call from hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
• the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.

EDIT: there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)

They will find the murder weapon soon enough, then they will get a plea from Hernandez with in seconds.

This evidence couldn't be more damning.

 

[lbouchard]

Breaking News: Hernandez was released in my dynasty league this morning in favor of Jake Ballard.

Shark move.

Well the shark move would have been dumping him for a future 1st or 2nd while you had the chance and then grabbing Ballard (what I did.)

i traded him last year for Romo in a super flex

I don't see the relevance.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

someone said it earlier, anyone would have given his left nut to be this guy two weeks ago. he was on top of the world, magabuck contract extension. living in a mansion at age 23. probably had some costly workout supplements and a strict diet to stay in game shape. built like a beast, his body was his temple, and his key to independent wealth till he got old and gray. celebrity for life, no money worries....

now, he's being fed cut canned green beans and wonder bread for dinner. and he can say bye to his relatively cheap pot habit. the world will forget about him soon enough, and he'll get old and gray in another way. he'll have all the time in the world to think about just how stupid he was. what a waste.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

someone said it earlier, anyone would have given his left nut to be this guy two weeks ago. he was on top of the world, magabuck contract extension. living in a mansion at age 23. probably had some costly workout supplements and a strict diet to stay in game shape. built like a beast, his body was his temple, and his key to independent wealth till he got old and gray. celebrity for life, no money worries....

now, he's being fed cut canned green beans and wonder bread for dinner. and he can say bye to his relatively cheap pot habit. the world will forget about him soon enough, and he'll get old and gray in another way. he'll have all the time in the world to think about just how stupid he was. what a waste.

People like him never think about how wrong they were, they only ever think about how wronged they were.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

One AFC executive believes that Bill Belichick was the only coach willing to take a fourth-round flier on Aaron Hernandez back in 2010.

The executive says that Hernandez was a clear second-round talent at the time, but his off-field issues raised serious red flags. Many teams completely removed him from their draft board. Although Hernandez appeared to keep his nose clean through three seasons with the Patriots, we're now learning of other incidents prior to Wednesday's murder charge. A Connecticut man has filed a civil suit in Florida alleging Hernandez shot him in the face in February, he reportedly had a run-in with a Jets fan in May in which a gun was involved and a picture has surfaced of him standing in a mirror holding a gun. Hernandez also had failed drug tests while with the Gators and is rumored to have gang ties.

Source: Boston Globe

 

[dickey moe]

Breaking News: Hernandez was released in my dynasty league this morning in favor of Jake Ballard.

Shark move.

Well the shark move would have been dumping him for a future 1st or 2nd while you had the chance and then grabbing Ballard (what I did.)

i traded him last year for Romo in a super flex

I don't see the relevance.

He posts frequently (and often at inopportune times) about trades that always end up in his favor.

 

[matttyl]

Ok, call me "ignorant" or whatever, but what will the murder weapon actually do for the prosecution?

I mean, if everything they have currently is being deemed "circumstantial", wouldn't saying "here's the gun used in the murder" also be? Just because they have it, and even if it has AH's prints on it (I would assume the gun is owned by him, or at least has been held by him at sometime in the past), they can't 100% say that AH actually used the gun when it was fired and killed him, can they?

I mean, I own guns, I'm sure they have my prints on them from handling them previously, but someone could take them from where they are now and kill someone with them and hide them - that doesn't mean that I'm a killer. Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

All that being said, I personally believe that he's fully guilty of these charges.

 

[jonboltz]

Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

I'd imagine that murder would be a whole lot easier to get away with if we needed video or witness testimony of the event.

 

[steveski]

Ok, call me "ignorant" or whatever, but what will the murder weapon actually do for the prosecution?

I mean, if everything they have currently is being deemed "circumstantial", wouldn't saying "here's the gun used in the murder" also be? Just because they have it, and even if it has AH's prints on it (I would assume the gun is owned by him, or at least has been held by him at sometime in the past), they can't 100% say that AH actually used the gun when it was fired and killed him, can they?

I mean, I own guns, I'm sure they have my prints on them from handling them previously, but someone could take them from where they are now and kill someone with them and hide them - that doesn't mean that I'm a killer. Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

All that being said, I personally believe that he's fully guilty of these charges.

Maybe if there are no prints from the other people in the car then it would prove that he was the one who pulled the trigger.

 

[Faust]

from NFL.com

Matt Light: I never embraced anything Hernandez stood for

By Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

The New England Patriots have put a lid on all matters involving Aaron Hernandez since he was first connected to the death of Odin Lloyd. As a result, it's been difficult to find first-hand knowledge of Hernandez's relationship with teammates and coaches over the past three years.

Former Patriots left tackle Matt Light has now weighed in, telling Tom Archdeacon of the Dayton Daily News that Hernandez always had his own agenda apart from the Patriots. "I never talk about other guys," Light said, "but I will say I have never embraced -- never believed in -- anything Aaron Hernandez stood for."

Light apparently wasn't alone in his uneasiness with Hernandez. Appearing on NFL Network Wednesday, the Boston Globe's Ben Volin pointed out that Hernandez never fit the Patriots' locker room culture. Volin relayed one incident from Hernandez's rookie year when the tight end "went way out of line" and "lashed out at" Wes Welker in an expletive-filled overreaction to locker-room chiding.

Hernandez was widely viewed as a second-round talent entering the 2010 NFL Draft, but dropped to the fourth round due to failed drug tests and rumors of "hanging around the wrong people" at the University of Florida and in Connecticut. One AFC front-office executive opined to the Boston Globe that the Patriots were likely the only team willing to roll the dice on Hernandez at the cost of a fourth-round pick.

Follow Chris Wesseling on Twitter @ChrisWesseling.

 

[massraider]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

 

[Fantasy Fool]

Ok, call me "ignorant" or whatever, but what will the murder weapon actually do for the prosecution?

I mean, if everything they have currently is being deemed "circumstantial", wouldn't saying "here's the gun used in the murder" also be? Just because they have it, and even if it has AH's prints on it (I would assume the gun is owned by him, or at least has been held by him at sometime in the past), they can't 100% say that AH actually used the gun when it was fired and killed him, can they?

I mean, I own guns, I'm sure they have my prints on them from handling them previously, but someone could take them from where they are now and kill someone with them and hide them - that doesn't mean that I'm a killer. Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

All that being said, I personally believe that he's fully guilty of these charges.

They basically need one or both of the 2 guys that were with AH the night of the shooting, to flip on AH and say he pulled the trigger. And since we have still not even heard the names of these 2 men, and the fact they were picked up the 1st day after the murder, leads me to believe they have already turned on AH and will testify against him.

 

[Faust]

Report: Second man being held in connection with Odin Lloyd murder

By John Breech | CBSSports.com

June 27, 2013 9:12 am ET

One of the well-established facts of the Odin Lloyd murder case is there were three people with Lloyd on the night of his death. One of those people is Aaron Hernandez -- who's now facing six charges in connection with Lloyd's death, including murder -- but the identities of the other two men remain a mystery.

According to the Boston Globe, a 27-year-old man named Carlos Ortiz is being held at the Hartford (Conn.) Correctional Center related to the Lloyd case. According to Connecticut's Department of Correction website, Ortiz is being held on a $1.5 million bond.

Ortiz was arrested on Wednesday, according to the Hartford Courant, and has waived extradition to Massachusetts. Ortiz was taken into custody for violating a probation warrant, according to the Providence (R.I.) Journal.

During Hernandez's arraignment on Wednesday, the prosecution mentioned that Hernandez reached out to two men on the night of Lloyd's death. However, officials have yet to confirm if Ortiz was one of those men.

 

[The_Man]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

In a related note, Boston Police now looking into Hernandez's connection to the Marathon bombing, Whitey Bulger, the Isabella Stewart Gardner heist, the Boston Strangler, and the decision to trade Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

wow! the hits keep coming. unreal!

 

[massraider]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

wow! the hits keep coming. unreal!

The fact that they worked at a cleaning company certainly is a delicious coincidence, isn't it?

 

[meyerj31]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

In a related note, Boston Police now looking into Hernandez's connection to the Marathon bombing, Whitey Bulger, the Isabella Stewart Gardner heist, the Boston Strangler, and the decision to trade Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen.

lololol

 

[GregR]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

Just speculating here, but given that the prosecutor gave an account of conversations within the car with Lloyd which implies one or both of the other two men talked... perhaps one of them gave info on this other shooting as well as part of their deal to talk.

 

[PatsFanCT]

little late to the party here....so I may not be aware of some details....but one of the first things I was thinking is that AH wouldn't be the one actually pulling the trigger, he would have one of his boys do it....the eventual connection from the victim to AH would be pretty easy.....so you know he is going to be questioned...they were out in public together, etc....you would think that one of his buddies would be the trigger man since AH is the money maker/gravy train of the "operation"......

"yo Aaron...I got this man....I'll do this for you...you just keep ballin".....

now I know him being there still puts him in some deep ####, and he will get some charges for obstruction, etc....but if he didn't do it and his boys back up a story of he didn't want us to do it and tried to stop it....he could get some lesser charges that get him out of prison and back on a field pretty quick.....where he then "takes care of his boys" as best as he can while they are in prison....

They have intent, Aaron was driving. They have fear in the text messages. It doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, they're all getting the same charge in the eyes of the law.

I've seen this a couple times already. What is this "fear" you speak of?

Its a inference drawn from two texts he sent:

(Might be Paraphrasing)

1. I'm with NFL

2. Just so you know

The inference being - if I don't show up tomorrow, you know who killed me.

That's not how I read it. Hey, I'm with a star football player, just so you know... As in, yeah, this is cool.

Please stop. Really, is that how you read it? And that is why you have lost credibility in your posting on this specific subject.

You really are an idiot. Stop stalking me and move on.

This will be last post to you about this scenario so feel free to respond with the last word after you read this.

I felt you needed to be called out for your schtick in this thread. I like to think I have been a pretty credible poster in the shark pool and usually refrain from getting involved in a pissing match, but could no longer take your optimism and homeristic approach on this matter.

The fact that I am not the only one to have noticed it or make mention of it bodes well that you were making some posts that were quite simply dumb.

Feel free to link one bub.

Just because you want to be on one side of a debate doesn't mean the other side is dumb. You're obviously not very bright and not worth my time. So I'll tell you again. Stop stalking me.

TIA

 

[matttyl]

Ok, call me "ignorant" or whatever, but what will the murder weapon actually do for the prosecution?

I mean, if everything they have currently is being deemed "circumstantial", wouldn't saying "here's the gun used in the murder" also be? Just because they have it, and even if it has AH's prints on it (I would assume the gun is owned by him, or at least has been held by him at sometime in the past), they can't 100% say that AH actually used the gun when it was fired and killed him, can they?

I mean, I own guns, I'm sure they have my prints on them from handling them previously, but someone could take them from where they are now and kill someone with them and hide them - that doesn't mean that I'm a killer. Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

All that being said, I personally believe that he's fully guilty of these charges.

Maybe if there are no prints from the other people in the car then it would prove that he was the one who pulled the trigger.

Maybe "the shooter" was wearing gloves. Maybe there were no prints on it at all until Hernandez picked up the gun after the murder and carried it into the house.

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe that he did this. I hope he goes away for a long, long time. I'm just saying with all the evidence that they already have - what more is actually having the gun that was used going to do for the prosecution?!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Wild... I didn't post because there was enough groundless speculation going yesterday, but when they linked the ammo used in the Boston killing to the Miami incident my first though was "I bet he's shot other people."

 

[gianmarco]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

 

[RUSF18]

Ok, call me "ignorant" or whatever, but what will the murder weapon actually do for the prosecution?

I mean, if everything they have currently is being deemed "circumstantial", wouldn't saying "here's the gun used in the murder" also be? Just because they have it, and even if it has AH's prints on it (I would assume the gun is owned by him, or at least has been held by him at sometime in the past), they can't 100% say that AH actually used the gun when it was fired and killed him, can they?

I mean, I own guns, I'm sure they have my prints on them from handling them previously, but someone could take them from where they are now and kill someone with them and hide them - that doesn't mean that I'm a killer. Wouldn't they still need someone saying they personally saw Hernandez use that gun and fire it and it killed the victim?

All that being said, I personally believe that he's fully guilty of these charges.

Maybe if there are no prints from the other people in the car then it would prove that he was the one who pulled the trigger.

Maybe "the shooter" was wearing gloves. Maybe there were no prints on it at all until Hernandez picked up the gun after the murder and carried it into the house.

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe that he did this. I hope he goes away for a long, long time. I'm just saying with all the evidence that they already have - what more is actually having the gun that was used going to do for the prosecution?!

I've heard (no idea of the truth of this) that actually having the murder weapon is a difference maker in the eyes of a jury.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Dirtbag.

Give him the chair. No trial.

LOL...Raider fan still bitter about the tuck rule.

I haven't been keeping up. Is this still the dumbest post in the thread or has it been surpassed?

I'm still on page 48, but so far, it's certainly up there.

 

[KCitons]

So AH goes back in front of the judge for another bail hearing today. Will prosecution be allowed to site this new double murder investigation as a reason to deny bail? Or is it mute, since no charges have been filed in that case.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Best case scenario for AH at this point, he was not the shooter, wanted to scare the guy, but one of the other two got trigger happy and shot the Lloyd.

AH agrees to testify against the shooter, and accepts plea of twenty years with possibility of parole.

They were there, out of the car, for like 2-3 minutes. That's not much time to escalate from 'scare' to 'kill'.

 

[Ignoramus]

little late to the party here....so I may not be aware of some details....but one of the first things I was thinking is that AH wouldn't be the one actually pulling the trigger, he would have one of his boys do it....the eventual connection from the victim to AH would be pretty easy.....so you know he is going to be questioned...they were out in public together, etc....you would think that one of his buddies would be the trigger man since AH is the money maker/gravy train of the "operation"......

"yo Aaron...I got this man....I'll do this for you...you just keep ballin".....

now I know him being there still puts him in some deep ####, and he will get some charges for obstruction, etc....but if he didn't do it and his boys back up a story of he didn't want us to do it and tried to stop it....he could get some lesser charges that get him out of prison and back on a field pretty quick.....where he then "takes care of his boys" as best as he can while they are in prison....

They have intent, Aaron was driving. They have fear in the text messages. It doesn't matter who pulled the trigger, they're all getting the same charge in the eyes of the law.

I've seen this a couple times already. What is this "fear" you speak of?

Its a inference drawn from two texts he sent:

(Might be Paraphrasing)

1. I'm with NFL

2. Just so you know

The inference being - if I don't show up tomorrow, you know who killed me.

That's not how I read it. Hey, I'm with a star football player, just so you know... As in, yeah, this is cool.

They didn't just happen to meet at an Applebees that night; they've known each other for a year and Lloyd was dating Hernandez' baby momma's sister. Lloyd was picked up at 2:32. The "Just so you know" text went out at 3:22 - one minute before he was executed. The guy wasn't checking in on Foursquare, Columbo.

 

[PatsFanCT]

I've read about 3 of every 10 pages in this thread. Practically everyone vocal in this thread is saying this is a slam dunk. The media really does control most of your thoughts and ideas, you pathetic herd of cattle. There's a reason a person is considered innocent until proven guilty and it's because the horror of a sending an innocent man to prison is thousands times worse than freeing a guilty man. It's also easy to conclude a verdict without seeing all the evidence. I hope none of you have ever been on a jury with a person's fate in your hands. Let's let this trial play out before we condemn someone.

There are several plausible scenarios that could justify AH's innocence. Perhaps he's so deep in gang b.s. that he was forced to murder his buddy. If he doesn't comply then he would be tortured/killed/ or his family tortured/killed. There have probably been thousands of "slam dunk" cases historically where the defendant is legitimately innocent (sometimes not discovered until years later). Being setup should not be ruled out as an explanation for AH's involvement. It's hard for me to understand how dumb he'd have to be to do everything exactly wrong. In fact, it's so ridiculous I think a setup is more likely than AH murdering someone.

Yeah, I was the most optimistic poster in this thread, and even I don't believe any of that. The dude is doing life, and probably no possibility of parole.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing

Source: Hernandez investigated in Boston double-killing

BOSTON (MyFoxBoston.com) -- FOX 25 has learned exclusively that investigators are looking into Aaron Hernandez as a possible suspect in a double murder that happened on July 16, 2012 in downtown Boston.

According to the Boston Police blog from that date, officers responded to the intersection of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street just after 2 a.m. When they arrived, they found three people had been shot, two fatally, as they sat in a car at a traffic light.

The men were identified as Safiro Furtado and Daniel Abreu. The FOX 25 source said the men, who worked at a cleaning company in Dorchester, had just left a bar in the area.

Furtado and Abreu were sitting in the front seat of the vehicle when witnesses said the occupants of a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island plates opened fire on it. The surviving victim was in the back seat. Investigators believed two others in the car fled the scene.

The source said that investigators were looking into Aaron Hernandez's connection to the killing.

On Wednesday, Hernandez was charged with murder in the death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, of Dorchester.

An investigation is ongoing.

Read more: http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22702430/2013/06/27/source-hernandez-investigated-in-boston-double-killing#ixzz2XQSnc7eY

Just speculating here, but given that the prosecutor gave an account of conversations within the car with Lloyd which implies one or both of the other two men talked... perhaps one of them gave info on this other shooting as well as part of their deal to talk.

Quite possible.

 

[Ignoramus]

There are several plausible scenarios that could justify AH's innocence. Perhaps he's so deep in gang b.s. that he was forced to murder his buddy.

You and I have vastly differing definitions of the word "innocence."

 

[Faust]

ESPN.com

Don't expect roster claim for Hernandez

By James Walker | ESPN.com

Former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is one of the top 10 players at his position. He’s young, athletic, versatile and has a world of talent.

And now, any NFL team can claim him for the 2013 season within the next 24 hours.

However, chances are slim that another team will take that risk. New England released Hernandez on Wednesday, the same day he was arrested on murder and gun charges. The other 31 teams have until 4 p.m. ET Thursday to claim Hernandez -- and the rest of his $40 million contract. The safe play for other teams is to let the legal process play itself out.

"I would say almost zero," ESPN's Chris Mortensen said Wednesday on "SportsCenter" of Hernandez's chances of being claimed.

Hernandez's guilt or innocence is yet to be determined. But the immense distraction and potential legal ramifications were enough for the Patriots to distance themselves immediately. We will find out by tomorrow evening if the NFL's other 31 teams will do the same.

 

[jmo87usc]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

It is sad to think that. But at this point it sure sounds like she will be safer without him being a presence in her life.