Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (4 Viewers)

[Gawain]

There is no clause or special power the NFL has over the cap/bonus implications, correct?

I mean, what happened in the Rae Carruth situation? Did the Panthers just have to suck it up as if their guy were injured?

I believe the Patriots will eventually try to recoup some of the $12.5 million he was paid as a signing bonus or some of the additional money that was guaranteed but not paid as a signing bonus. By releasing him before he was suspended by the league, to the letter of the CBA, they are not entitled to cap relief as he would be recorded as a regular player release and subject to an accelerated cap hit for his unaccounted for signing bonus money. NE would have the option of taking the cap hit all at once or spreading it out over this season and next season.

However, they may be able to file special circumstances or argue that AH voided his contract first by breaking morals or conducting unbecoming clauses in the player conduct section of the CBA (even if it was not written directly into his contract with NE). That's what I was alluding to pages and pages ago that there could have been discussions between the team and the league as to whether they could pursue that at a later date.

But as things stand right now, the Pats will have to eat the cap hit for the remainder of his signing bonus.

8/27/2012: Signed a seven-year, $41.115 million contract. The deal contains $16.4 million guaranteed, including a $12.5 million signing bonus. An annual $500,000 roster bonus is due in years four through seven. An annual $500,000 workout bonus is available in years three through seven. 2013: $1.323 million, 2014: $1.2 million, 2015: $2.3 million, 2016: $5 million, 2017-2018: $6 million, 2019: Free Agent

They better not drag their heels. He's facing the injury suit in Florida and I'm sure will get a wrongful death suit. What does he have? The equity in the house, chattels and whatever may be in the bank. The lawyers will get a big chunk of cash on hand and may have him sign liens. It will be amazing how quickly a few million can disappear.

 

[Donnybrook]

The story get more incrediable every day.

 

[Warrior]

At this point, aside from the victim, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for the 8 month old girl he's now leaving behind fatherless.

As bad as it is to be fatherless, odds are she is better off without him.

Based on what? Has Odin Lloyd been linked to any crime?

Call it an educated guess.

 

[unckeyherb]

So you want to be a gangster.. all that ####
Smoke any mother####er, don't even trip
You be hard as hell, take whatever you want
Punk suckers wanna front -- they get done
Cause you a gangster -- nuttin more nuttin less
Put my boy to the test and catch one in your chest
Since he was young, homeboy won't back down
Cause real gangsters, always hold that frown
Until you lose control, then you sell your soul
To the devil mother####er cause you're way too cold
And all the people hide and just run inside
Cause you keep usin yo' gat commitin homicide
Boy I tell ya, life is way too $hort
Another brother just got smoked
And you killed him -- ain't that a #####?
Cause it really ain't ####

 

[BaBastage]

There are several plausible scenarios that could justify AH's innocence. Perhaps he's so deep in gang b.s. that he was forced to murder his buddy. If he doesn't comply then he would be tortured/killed/ or his family tortured/killed. There have probably been thousands of "slam dunk" cases historically where the defendant is legitimately innocent (sometimes not discovered until years later). Being setup should not be ruled out as an explanation for AH's involvement. It's hard for me to understand how dumb he'd have to be to do everything exactly wrong. In fact, it's so ridiculous I think a setup is more likely than AH murdering someone.

I agree that the trial will play out regardless of what we think at this juncture.

But I think you are far underestimating the ease of which such a solid framing or setup could be done. There are just too many aspects to the evidence involving too many sources that interlock perfectly for a framing to have occurred.

The duress aspect might be plausible. I'll defer back to the post about Occam's Razor. (Given two theories, the simpler of the two is usually the correct one.) In this case, "Dumb Criminal" trumps "vastly complex setup."

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

They have AH with a gun on his hand in the video. It may be too grainy to confirm that its the 45. But in any case, he's not cooperated with the police to tell them where that gun is. Wouldn't this key piece of evidence coupled with his non-cooperation be enough evidence to pin the murder weapon on him. Put another way, couldn't the prosecution say, if you didn't do it, then produce the gun and absolve yourself of guilt. If you don't produce the weapon, everyone assumes your guilt. At some point, he's going to have to produce the weapon if he wants to continue to maintain his innocence, or cop to the guilty plea.

I'm not a lawyer but I doubt it.

you don't prove your innocence in this country, it's the other way around.

they can get him on gun charges and obstruction of justice, but not producing some random gun isn't proof of murder.

 

[QuizGuy66]

If he would murder an associate just for talking to the wrong people, one has to wonder if this isn't the first time Mr. Hernandez has done this.

If he got away with murder previously who was investigating? Barney Fife?

-QG

Sometimes it takes time for murders to be solved. Are you saying that the Boston PD is incompetent?

Looks like I'm wrong on that count. And didn't do it a mile from his house and in front of a zillion security cameras.

But I stand corrected it appears and given that this is FBG it is natural to own up to one's mistaken assessment.

-QG

 

[The_Man]

"sources" had said that once the motive for the killing came out, it would be jaw-dropping. If Hernandez killed this guy to keep him from talking about a previous double murder he committed, that would qualify as jaw-dropping.

Also, don't know if it's been mentioned, this "new evidence" linking Hernandez to the 2012 shooting is obviously (to me) coming from one of the two other guys with him on the night of the Lloyd shooting. I could just see cops grilling a guy, telling him, "We know all this, we know what happened, you have to give us something we don't know if you want to make a deal." And this is the trump card the guy pulled out to get himself a lesser charge.

 

[Snotbubbles]

They have AH with a gun on his hand in the video. It may be too grainy to confirm that its the 45. But in any case, he's not cooperated with the police to tell them where that gun is. Wouldn't this key piece of evidence coupled with his non-cooperation be enough evidence to pin the murder weapon on him. Put another way, couldn't the prosecution say, if you didn't do it, then produce the gun and absolve yourself of guilt. If you don't produce the weapon, everyone assumes your guilt. At some point, he's going to have to produce the weapon if he wants to continue to maintain his innocence, or cop to the guilty plea.

I'm not a lawyer but I doubt it.

you don't prove your innocence in this country, it's the other way around.

they can get him on gun charges and obstruction of justice, but not producing some random gun isn't proof of murder.

See Scott Peterson. They had no murder weapon or direct evidence that he killed his wife. But the jury convicted him based on circumstantial evidence of the way Peterson acted after his wife went missing.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Flat out murdering someone is not something someone with a Super Bowl ring would do. I wonder if losing in 2010 got the best of Hernandez. Ironic that the crazy Plaxico Burress catch could be responsible for this, as well as for derailing Plaxico's career too.

Tell that to Putin.

loool

 

[Kit Fisto]

OJ case taught me anything is possible with good lawyers.

Casey Anthony was guilty as sin, and she got off too.

Not saying AH is innocent, just weird things happen at trial and sometimes evidence or testimony can be dismissed.

To me, it's like this... either he's the dumbest criminal ever and he'll get what he deserves, or there's more to this story that we haven't heard yet. I am eager to hear his side of the story, as ####ed up as it may be.

 

[massraider]

How on earth has the last guy involved (the informant, most people think) not been identified yet? Amazing that hasn't been leaked.

 

[QuizGuy66]

From the first FBG bulletin about Hernandez being questioned:

"The Sun Chronicle of Attleboro, Mass., reported on Tuesday that police identified a rented 2013 Chevrolet Suburban with Rhode Island license plates in connection with the possible homicide."

Well we know from the arriagnment that the vehicle at the scene was a Nissan Altima. We also know from the stories about the July 2012 drive-by shooting that the vehicle in question was an SUV with Rhode Island license plates.

This makes me believe that the police were already investigating the July homicide as part of this case (possibly even before the murder in MA) early on - that is that it's not a new thing that they are looking at this other case.

-QG

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm sure this judge is quite impressed with his football accomplishments.

 

[KCitons]

I'm sure this judge is quite impressed with his football accomplishments.

or she's one of the millions that dropped him from her team last night.

 

[Raider Nation]

Looking forward to another bail appeal hearing tomorrow.

 

[KCitons]

Defense attorney using the innocent until proven guilty line. Now everyone here can be happy.

 

[Max Power]

I liked the "multiple serious medical issues" that wouldn't get proper treatment behind bars line

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

If he would murder an associate just for talking to the wrong people, one has to wonder if this isn't the first time Mr. Hernandez has done this.

If he got away with murder previously who was investigating? Barney Fife?

-QG

Sometimes it takes time for murders to be solved. Are you saying that the Boston PD is incompetent?

Looks like I'm wrong on that count. And didn't do it a mile from his house and in front of a zillion security cameras.

But I stand corrected it appears and given that this is FBG it is natural to own up to one's mistaken assessment.

-QG

I assumed you meant: He did SO much wrong in this case, how could he possibly do enough right to not get caught. As opposed to, he's such a bumbling fool, the authorities must be even worse.

 

[Raider Nation]

Think Hernandez is sick of this bald ******* yet? He's murdering him with his eyes.

 

[Raider Nation]

I liked the "multiple serious medical issues" that wouldn't get proper treatment behind bars line

It's amazing he's not in a full-body cast!

 

[KCitons]

District Attorney just said that he would need to disclose additional information in a sidebar to the judge.

I believe he is talking about the double murder investigation in Boston.

 

[QuizGuy66]

If he would murder an associate just for talking to the wrong people, one has to wonder if this isn't the first time Mr. Hernandez has done this.

If he got away with murder previously who was investigating? Barney Fife?

-QG

Sometimes it takes time for murders to be solved. Are you saying that the Boston PD is incompetent?

Looks like I'm wrong on that count. And didn't do it a mile from his house and in front of a zillion security cameras.

But I stand corrected it appears and given that this is FBG it is natural to own up to one's mistaken assessment.

-QG

I assumed you meant: He did SO much wrong in this case, how could he possibly do enough right to not get caught. As opposed to, he's such a bumbling fool, the authorities must be even worse.

Yeah, though I pretty much impugne Barney Fife more than anything I mean that dude kept his job a long time, right?

But basically yeah, based on the MA case it's more that Hernandez doesn't scream criminal mastermind.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

I liked the "multiple serious medical issues" that wouldn't get proper treatment behind bars line

It's amazing he's not in a full-body cast!

The scene from "Casino" in the courtroom comes to mind.

-QG

 

[Raider Nation]

Bail denied!

Go have some more green beans for dinner, loser.

 

[KCitons]

NO Bail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

 

[massraider]

So that's jail until the trial?

 

[QuizGuy66]

So that's jail until the trial?

They might be able to appeal that decision. But probably.

-QG

 

[KCitons]

So that's jail until the trial?

Just until next court appearance, Sometime late July.

Then they can appeal bail again.

 

[Raider Nation]

Suicide watch FTW.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Bail denied!

Go have some more green beans for dinner, loser.

The most shocking twist in this entire fiasco.

 

[Ignoramus]

Suicide watch FTW.

Nah, AH ain't no #####.

 

[dewmass]

Tough one who to take in the first round of the all female judges packing NFL players off to jail startup, think I'd still take the milftastic ochocinco one first though

 

[Faust]

More info on the 2012 double homicide:

Report: Aaron Hernandez possibly tied to 2012 double slaying

By John Breech | CBSSports.com

June 27, 2013 10:19 am ET

One day after being arraigned on six charges -- including first-degree murder -- in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is now being investigated as a possible suspect in a July 2012 double killing that happened in Boston, according to WFXT-TV, a Fox affiliate in Boston.

On July 16, 2012, Boston police responded to a call just after 2 a.m. ET, according to the report. When authorities arrived, they found three people in a car at a traffic light who had all been shot -- two of them fatally.

The two men who were killed were sitting in the front seats. A third person shot was in the backseat and survived. There were also two other passengers who were unharmed. Witnesses said they saw a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island license plates at the scene of the crime.

The Boston Globe has confirmed the Fox 25 report and also has new details on the investigation.

Via the Globe:



Investigators believe a fight broke out at Cure, a club in the South End, between two men and a group that included Hernandez.

The two men, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, friends who grew up in Cape Verde, left the club with three other men in a BMW sedan.
Abreu, who was driving, stopped at a traffic light on Shawmut Avenue, about to make a left onto Herald Street, when a silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates pulled alongside the sedan. Someone from the SUV opened fire, killing Abreu, 29, and Furtado, 28.
The working theory, according to the Globe, is that Odin Lloyd -- the man Hernandez is charged with killing -- might have had information about Hernandez's role in the double slaying.

The silver SUV connected to the killings was never found.

 

[Banemorth]

NO Bail http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo

I laughed.

 

[Raider Nation]

I guess you have to give the guy some credit for eluding the law for this long despite being so stupid.

 

[MAC_32]

I guess you have to give the guy some credit for eluding the law for this long despite being so stupid.

Less stupid, more careless. Classic I am above the law case. Don't think about the blowback because you're convinced you're untouchable.

 

[Faust]

@richarddeitsch Retweeted by Pete Thamel

Strongly recommend following @McCannSportsLaw if interested in Aaron Hernandez case.

 

[Faust]

@JasonLaCanfora

Judge in the Hernandez bail hearing calls the State's case "a very, very strong circumstantial case," and she denies appeal for bail.

 

[Faust]

@McCannSportsLaw

Prosecution was completely in control of that hearing. Bad start for Hernandez. If reality hasn't hit him before hearing, it sure has now.

 

[Faust]

No surprises here:

@RapSheet

The status of Aaron Hernandez is "under review," @nfl spokesman @gregaiello tells me.

 

[Faust]

@McCannSportsLaw

Excellent pt by @LaVarArrington: Hernandez could civilly be sued for wrongful death. Lloyd's family probably watching where AH's assets go.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I kinda have a feeling that Hernandez is dumb, but not quite as dumb as we all think right now. The body was found pretty much exactly two hours after the murder, right? It's possible, it still being early in the morning, that he was planning on recovering and disposing of the body, but never got a chance to, and then panicked and did all the stupid things he did, like breaking the phone and the surveillance system. He may have had a plan, but it didn't go the way he thought and he freaked.

 

[Faust]

@ESPNMichele Retweeted by mike freeman

Crowd outside courtroom on ESPN - chanting "In-no-cent!" - one girl exclaiming, "Oh my God that was amazing" as Hernandez van passes

 

[Donnybrook]

Any chance they can pin the 2007 Gainville shooting on Hernandez as well? Same MO as the Boston shootings. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/report-aaron-hernandez-questioned-2007-shooting-gainesville-173654962.html

 

[pretender]

I have not read all the pages but doesn't anybody think it is strange - he was able to text "Just so you know" one minute before being shot? That Hernandez and anybody else in the car knowing he was going to be murdered would let him text anything to anybody? Just seems like a strange fact.

 

[massraider]

I kinda have a feeling that Hernandez is dumb, but not quite as dumb as we all think right now. The body was found pretty much exactly two hours after the murder, right? It's possible, it still being early in the morning, that he was planning on recovering and disposing of the body, but never got a chance to, and then panicked and did all the stupid things he did, like breaking the phone and the surveillance system. He may have had a plan, but it didn't go the way he thought and he freaked.

What about the incredible amount of stupid things he did leading up to the shooting?

 

[Faust]

More info on the 2012 double homicide:

Report: Aaron Hernandez possibly tied to 2012 double slaying

By John Breech | CBSSports.com

June 27, 2013 10:19 am ET

One day after being arraigned on six charges -- including first-degree murder -- in connection with the death of Odin Lloyd, former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is now being investigated as a possible suspect in a July 2012 double killing that happened in Boston, according to WFXT-TV, a Fox affiliate in Boston.

On July 16, 2012, Boston police responded to a call just after 2 a.m. ET, according to the report. When authorities arrived, they found three people in a car at a traffic light who had all been shot -- two of them fatally.

The two men who were killed were sitting in the front seats. A third person shot was in the backseat and survived. There were also two other passengers who were unharmed. Witnesses said they saw a gray or silver SUV with Rhode Island license plates at the scene of the crime.

The Boston Globe has confirmed the Fox 25 report and also has new details on the investigation.

Via the Globe:



Investigators believe a fight broke out at Cure, a club in the South End, between two men and a group that included Hernandez.

The two men, Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado, friends who grew up in Cape Verde, left the club with three other men in a BMW sedan.
Abreu, who was driving, stopped at a traffic light on Shawmut Avenue, about to make a left onto Herald Street, when a silver or gray SUV with Rhode Island license plates pulled alongside the sedan. Someone from the SUV opened fire, killing Abreu, 29, and Furtado, 28.
The working theory, according to the Globe, is that Odin Lloyd -- the man Hernandez is charged with killing -- might have had information about Hernandez's role in the double slaying.

The silver SUV connected to the killings was never found.

CNN is reporting that

"Source: Police have found car linked to 2012 killings and believe Hernandez was renting it"

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/27/us/nfl-hernandez/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Excerpt from that link:

A 'model inmate'

During his first 24 hours in jail, Hernandez has been "polite and cooperative" and a "model inmate," Bristol County Sheriff Tom Hodgson said.

Hernandez was being held in the jail's medical unit, which is standard for someone who hasn't been incarcerated before, Hodgson said.

The former pro athlete showed "no apparent nervousness" in jail, Hodgson said, but he noted the difficulty of going from having thousands of people cheering for him to being "just a number."

While in the medical unit, Hernandez will be locked up for 23 hours a day, with a break for a shower and phone calls, the sheriff said.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I kinda have a feeling that Hernandez is dumb, but not quite as dumb as we all think right now. The body was found pretty much exactly two hours after the murder, right? It's possible, it still being early in the morning, that he was planning on recovering and disposing of the body, but never got a chance to, and then panicked and did all the stupid things he did, like breaking the phone and the surveillance system. He may have had a plan, but it didn't go the way he thought and he freaked.

It was 14 hours later. 5:30pm.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Aaron should of ran when he had the chance