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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)
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Max Power
Footballguy
I don't think he would get suspended without some more facts coming out to back these allegations. If he was shot in a car (possibly a rental again) it would be pretty easy to uncover that. I think any scenario that plays out if there is proof Hernandez was in the car when Bradley was shot, its going to be a suspension.
Right now I'm more concerned about this Miami shooting (suspension wise) than the MA one. Either way, Hernandez is starting to sour in my eyes.
moleculo
Footballguy
Are you assuming we have learned everything there is to know about these two situations? Cause you are exactly correct: based on what we know today, a suspension is not imminent.
I think many of us are assuming there will be more details forthcoming, and noting that often times, when there is smoke, there is fire.
PatsFanCT
Footballguy
Right, but you're just speculating based on a search warrent. Just because he knew the guy in MA, doesn't make it smoke. And as far as the FL deal goes, unless they find the gun and it traces back to Hernandez, then there is very little chance anything comes from that.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Cmon now, you know the fantasy community judges guilt like a 3rd world country..................cause they wanna lower the value to get the guy cheaper in a trade
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Love how that report references how nice his house is a few times, then is also nice enought to gell us his stats, hahaahah.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Wow
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Odin is a sweet name.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Still not a suspect. Got that goin for himPatsFanCT said:
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
See Big Ben's sexual assault case, and more recently Pead's / Gordon's suspensions for getting arrested but not charged w/ drugs. Goodell and company don't need to follow the letter of the law, they investigate (however they do it) and if they think a player did something wrong that player can be suspended.ghostguy123 said:
Right or wrong thats how it is thanks to the weak NFLPA
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
It took you long enough...PatsFanCT said:
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
From Rotoworld:
Aaron Hernandez - TE - Patriots
A law enforcement official tells FOX Boston that Aaron Hernandez "appears to be directly tied to the homicide" of "associate" Odin Lloyd in North Attleboro, Mass.
Source: FOX Boston
Jun 19 - 11:42 PM
Aaron Hernandez - TE - Patriots
A law enforcement official tells FOX Boston that Aaron Hernandez "appears to be directly tied to the homicide" of "associate" Odin Lloyd in North Attleboro, Mass.
Source: FOX Boston
Jun 19 - 11:42 PM
Yeah, how much of a parallel is this to the Ray Lewis case? I guess it could help in figuring what the league does (though my sense is that the league is much more strict on these things now than in the past?)
JohnnyU
Footballguy
A law enforcement official tells FOX Boston that Aaron Hernandez "appears to be directly tied to the homicide" of "associate" Odin Lloyd in North Attleboro, Mass.
There are many important things to remember here, namely FOX 25 is not a typical Rotoworld source, and Hernandez hasyet to be charged with a crime. That being said, the storm clouds appear to be gathering for the star tight end. FOX Boston reports Hernandez, Lloyd and two other men left a Boston-area bar in a car driven by Hernandez on the night of the homicide, but Odin was the only passenger not to make it back to Hernandez's house. Further, forensic evidence has reportedly placed a vehicle driven by Hernandez at "one of the crime scenes in (the) case." Police are still searching for a second vehicle. Thus far, Hernandez has declined comment.
Source: FOX Bosto
There are many important things to remember here, namely FOX 25 is not a typical Rotoworld source, and Hernandez hasyet to be charged with a crime. That being said, the storm clouds appear to be gathering for the star tight end. FOX Boston reports Hernandez, Lloyd and two other men left a Boston-area bar in a car driven by Hernandez on the night of the homicide, but Odin was the only passenger not to make it back to Hernandez's house. Further, forensic evidence has reportedly placed a vehicle driven by Hernandez at "one of the crime scenes in (the) case." Police are still searching for a second vehicle. Thus far, Hernandez has declined comment.
Source: FOX Bosto
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
KCitons
Footballguy
I get that AH was seen with the victim leaving the bar. But, the fact that only 3 of the men returned to Hernandez's home doesn't really mean much. Hernandez lives there, it was reported that the other two were staying with Hernandez. So, the victim probably had his own place.
When I go out with friends, we don't all end up going back to one guys place. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
When I go out with friends, we don't all end up going back to one guys place. (not that there's anything wrong with that)
HellToupee
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
A year IIRC? AH is certainly done in Foxboro. His best case scenario is he avoids serious jail time by some fancy lawyering, but certainly he's not playing in 2013 potentially 2014. Some team will give him a call though. He's very young, 23 I think. That's part of the problem.
What a shame. A waste of so many lives.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am pretty sure his best case scenario is that he didnt kill someone and he is fine.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Lewis was not suspended for that incident. He was fined $250k
If that is the case why is Marshawn Lynch still still playing. He got arrested last year for DUI - when taken into custody - he blew a higher number the 2nd time - which to me clearly means he had probably drank a bunch more shots then got into the white van to drive home.
He avoided suspension by postponing his case till this summer. Meanwhile every ranking still has him as a top 7 RB in redraft even though there SHOULD be a major suspension coming.
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Gawain
Footballguy
That was a different time though. I've been looking and can find no evidence that the NFL suspended Rae Carruth, which occurred in the same time frame as the Lewis incident.
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
A lot of late night radio focused on this story and while you never want to rush to judgement, things are not looking good. Just the information coming out about the incident in Feb down in Miami, apparently guy is int he car with Hernandez, "something" happens and a gun is fired, guy loses his eye, we don't know all the facts but certainly that should have been the shake up moment for him but instead it would appear the reverse happened and Hernandez is feeling like he can do anything he wants. Even if he was just in the car with the other three people and eventually one of them ends up dead and the body is dumped in a ravine, this all sounds pretty awful and if charges are brought they likely will be against all three including Hernandez.
You hate to rush to any conclusions but it's not that far fetched to think that we might have seen the last of Hernandez in an NFL uniform and at the least he is looking at a big zero for 2013, no way he would be allowed to take the field with these charges pending.
You hate to rush to any conclusions but it's not that far fetched to think that we might have seen the last of Hernandez in an NFL uniform and at the least he is looking at a big zero for 2013, no way he would be allowed to take the field with these charges pending.
Why would he rent a car in his own name if he was going to do this? I am wondering if the guy got dropped off, and picked a fight with the wrong person? you never know... he may have been dropped off then decided to go back out. just because he was with Hernandez at the bar does not mean he was with him the rest of the night...
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
...forensic evidence has reportedly placed a vehicle driven by Hernandez at "one of the crime scenes in (the) case."
excerpt from above report sounds like a serious allegation...
was he definitely driving the car at the time of the events at one of the crime scenes, or did he lend it?
sounds like he left bar with deceased, but there are still a lot of specifics and details about the timeline we don't know yet.
the plural "scenes" is suggestive... another report noted that the person who discovered the body may have been told by police (? that in itself sounds odd in ongoing investigation) that deceased may have been killed elsewhere and body dumped there. not sure if that is what is meant by scenes.
there have been conflicting reports on whether he was cooperating or not. if he did participate in an interview, i don't recall reports that lawyer/s were present. if he allowed an interview, and lawyers weren't present, and he was guilty (hypothetically), that would be hard to reconcile for me.
* where is the other car, and why is it missing?
excerpt from above report sounds like a serious allegation...
was he definitely driving the car at the time of the events at one of the crime scenes, or did he lend it?
sounds like he left bar with deceased, but there are still a lot of specifics and details about the timeline we don't know yet.
the plural "scenes" is suggestive... another report noted that the person who discovered the body may have been told by police (? that in itself sounds odd in ongoing investigation) that deceased may have been killed elsewhere and body dumped there. not sure if that is what is meant by scenes.
there have been conflicting reports on whether he was cooperating or not. if he did participate in an interview, i don't recall reports that lawyer/s were present. if he allowed an interview, and lawyers weren't present, and he was guilty (hypothetically), that would be hard to reconcile for me.
* where is the other car, and why is it missing?
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Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
The body was dumped wherever it was found and there are 2 scenes. The fact Hernandez was with the deceased as the 2 left the bar, again that just cannot be good and this case is going to take a new spin every day.
I'm telling you Aaron Hernandez's life is changing by the minute and rapidly I would say. He may be playing it cool and acting like this is not that big of a deal but I promise you that things are only going to get worse from these reports. He doesn't need to be the actual killer, simply being an accomplice to murder IMO would end his NFL career.
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Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
Do we know how the person was murdered/died? When will the autopsy be finished and a cause of death revealed?
Gawain
Footballguy
Guilty people sit down with the cops all the time, either through a misguided belief that the police will look favorably on them doing so, through a belief that they are smart enough to fool the cops or out of sheer stupidity.
However, I can't believe his agent(s) would allow such a thing to happen. Hernandez is worth 45K to them this year from the contract alone, not counting endorsement deals. They made 475K off his signing bonus. They stand to make 750K if Hernandez stays with the Pats through the end of the contract. At this point, his team has to be circling the wagons. To allow him to sit with cops in an interview would be a terrible way to protect their client.
tombonneau
Footballguy
It doesn't matter if he was the guy who pulled the trigger. If he was in the car and at the scene he and the other non-trigger man are both guilty of murder. He's done. Sorry. I'm a huge Pats fan and loved AH as a player, but it's over. If he had an alibi, we'd have heard it by now. Like I said - and i'll qualify it for the pedants - his most likely best case scenario is going to be some kind of plea via some Ray Lewis style lawyer magic.
Mr Non Sequitur
Footballguy
Apologize if this is a re=post but it seemed like a fresh article, more details about the Miami, FL incident in Feb which police are now weighing possibly with this current investigation. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/06/20/lawsuit-reportedly-alleges-aaron-hernandez-shot-man-in-florida/
New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, under scrutiny in the investigation of a homicide near his home in Massachusetts, is also reportedly the subject of a lawsuit alleging he shot a man at a Miami strip club in February.
The Boston Herald reports that Alexander Bradley claims in court filings that Hernandez fired a gun at him during an argument, destroying his right eye and causing extensive damage resulting in several surgeries "to reconstruct his face."
Bradley, a Connecticut resident, claims in the lawsuit that he has become "substantially disabled" as a result of the alleged shooting and will require medical care for the rest of his life, the newspaper reported.
Police in Florida reportedly closed the case without filing charges after investigating the incident. Bradley did not name Hernandez as the shooter at the time, according to the Herald.
Meanwhile, the state medical examiner on Wednesday identified the man found dead in an industrial park about a mile from Hernandez's home as 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, Bristol District Attorney Samuel Sutter's office said.
Lloyd's family said he was a semi-pro football player with a connection to Hernandez, whose home was searched by police. His mother, Ursula Ward, had said earlier police had told her the body was that of her son, who played for the Boston Bandits.
"My son is a wonderful child," she said, crying as she spoke outside the family's home in Boston's Dorchester neighborhood. "He's a family guy. He hasn't done anything to hurt anyone."
Ward would not say how Lloyd knew Hernandez and did not say if police told her how her son died. An uncle said Lloyd had a connection to Hernandez but wouldn't elaborate.
State police returned for the second day Wednesday to Hernandez's sprawling home in an upscale subdivision in North Attleborough, on the Rhode Island state line not far from the Patriots' stadium in Foxborough. They referred questions about their investigation to Sutter, the district attorney.
Sutter's office said investigators were asking for the public's help to find a silver mirror cover believed to have broken off a car between Boston and North Attleborough.
Hernandez attorney Michael Fee acknowledged media reports about the state police search of Hernandez's home as part of an investigation but said he and the player wouldn't have any comment on it.
Sports Illustrated, citing an unidentified source, reported Tuesday that Hernandez was not believed to be a suspect in what was being treated then as a possible homicide.
Two troopers knocked on the door of Hernandez's house Wednesday morning, but no one answered. The night before, police spent hours there as another group of officers searched the industrial park.
Later Wednesday, at least seven state troopers searched both sides of a road just off the street where Hernandez lives. The officers used thin poles to pull back plants and search through undergrowth along the road.
Hernandez returned home during the early afternoon Wednesday. He did not speak to a crowd of reporters staked out about 100 feet away.
The Patriots drafted Hernandez out of Florida in 2010. Since then, he has combined with Rob Gronkowski to form one of the top tight end duos in the NFL. He missed 10 games last season with an ankle injury and had shoulder surgery in April but is expected to be ready for training camp. Last summer, the Patriots gave him a five-year contract worth $40 million.
Patriots spokesman Stacey James said the team did not anticipate commenting publicly during the police investigation.
Sports Illustrated reported that the link between Hernandez and the case was a rented Chevrolet Suburban with Rhode Island plates that police had
been searching for. The Associated Press could not independently confirm the report.
Lloyd's neighbor Larry Connors said a black Suburban with Rhode Island license plates was towed out of the yard of Lloyd's house after his body was found. Lloyd had been driving it for a few days, but Connors had never seen it before that.
Neighbor Paul Sandefur, a retired transit police officer, said he had known Lloyd since he was in diapers and was at a loss to explain what might have led to his death.
"He'd tease me about coming over to play basketball because I used to tell all the kids I could beat them," Sandefur said. "He was an exceptional kid. It's just inconceivable that something would happen to him."
Both neighbors thought Lloyd worked in construction, and neither knew of any connection between him and Hernandez.
Bandits coach Olivier Bustin, who last saw Lloyd on Saturday at a team scrimmage and heard on Tuesday he had been killed, said he never knew him to be in trouble.
"He was a personable guy, just a guy who was well-liked by everybody on the team," said the coach, who said Lloyd didn't start but played a big role on defense.
Lloyd's sister, Olivia Thibou, said her brother always had her back.
"And, you know, it's just tough that he's not here," she said. "As my mom said, just give us our time to grieve. And I hope that they find out who did it."
New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, under scrutiny in the investigation of a homicide near his home in Massachusetts, is also reportedly the subject of a lawsuit alleging he shot a man at a Miami strip club in February.
The Boston Herald reports that Alexander Bradley claims in court filings that Hernandez fired a gun at him during an argument, destroying his right eye and causing extensive damage resulting in several surgeries "to reconstruct his face."
Bradley, a Connecticut resident, claims in the lawsuit that he has become "substantially disabled" as a result of the alleged shooting and will require medical care for the rest of his life, the newspaper reported.
Police in Florida reportedly closed the case without filing charges after investigating the incident. Bradley did not name Hernandez as the shooter at the time, according to the Herald.
Meanwhile, the state medical examiner on Wednesday identified the man found dead in an industrial park about a mile from Hernandez's home as 27-year-old Odin Lloyd, Bristol District Attorney Samuel Sutter's office said.
Lloyd's family said he was a semi-pro football player with a connection to Hernandez, whose home was searched by police. His mother, Ursula Ward, had said earlier police had told her the body was that of her son, who played for the Boston Bandits.
"My son is a wonderful child," she said, crying as she spoke outside the family's home in Boston's Dorchester neighborhood. "He's a family guy. He hasn't done anything to hurt anyone."
Ward would not say how Lloyd knew Hernandez and did not say if police told her how her son died. An uncle said Lloyd had a connection to Hernandez but wouldn't elaborate.
State police returned for the second day Wednesday to Hernandez's sprawling home in an upscale subdivision in North Attleborough, on the Rhode Island state line not far from the Patriots' stadium in Foxborough. They referred questions about their investigation to Sutter, the district attorney.
Sutter's office said investigators were asking for the public's help to find a silver mirror cover believed to have broken off a car between Boston and North Attleborough.
Hernandez attorney Michael Fee acknowledged media reports about the state police search of Hernandez's home as part of an investigation but said he and the player wouldn't have any comment on it.
Sports Illustrated, citing an unidentified source, reported Tuesday that Hernandez was not believed to be a suspect in what was being treated then as a possible homicide.
Two troopers knocked on the door of Hernandez's house Wednesday morning, but no one answered. The night before, police spent hours there as another group of officers searched the industrial park.
Later Wednesday, at least seven state troopers searched both sides of a road just off the street where Hernandez lives. The officers used thin poles to pull back plants and search through undergrowth along the road.
Hernandez returned home during the early afternoon Wednesday. He did not speak to a crowd of reporters staked out about 100 feet away.
The Patriots drafted Hernandez out of Florida in 2010. Since then, he has combined with Rob Gronkowski to form one of the top tight end duos in the NFL. He missed 10 games last season with an ankle injury and had shoulder surgery in April but is expected to be ready for training camp. Last summer, the Patriots gave him a five-year contract worth $40 million.
Patriots spokesman Stacey James said the team did not anticipate commenting publicly during the police investigation.
Sports Illustrated reported that the link between Hernandez and the case was a rented Chevrolet Suburban with Rhode Island plates that police had
been searching for. The Associated Press could not independently confirm the report.
Lloyd's neighbor Larry Connors said a black Suburban with Rhode Island license plates was towed out of the yard of Lloyd's house after his body was found. Lloyd had been driving it for a few days, but Connors had never seen it before that.
Neighbor Paul Sandefur, a retired transit police officer, said he had known Lloyd since he was in diapers and was at a loss to explain what might have led to his death.
"He'd tease me about coming over to play basketball because I used to tell all the kids I could beat them," Sandefur said. "He was an exceptional kid. It's just inconceivable that something would happen to him."
Both neighbors thought Lloyd worked in construction, and neither knew of any connection between him and Hernandez.
Bandits coach Olivier Bustin, who last saw Lloyd on Saturday at a team scrimmage and heard on Tuesday he had been killed, said he never knew him to be in trouble.
"He was a personable guy, just a guy who was well-liked by everybody on the team," said the coach, who said Lloyd didn't start but played a big role on defense.
Lloyd's sister, Olivia Thibou, said her brother always had her back.
"And, you know, it's just tough that he's not here," she said. "As my mom said, just give us our time to grieve. And I hope that they find out who did it."
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Why exactly would we have heard ANYTHING about an alibi by now?? It's be 2 days, not even. Did he even talk to the police yet?? And if he did, the captain probably doesnt call rotoworld immediately afterwards to provide fantasy updates.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I guess I COULD be wrong, but I don't think Goodell gives suspensions based on rotoworld reports.
And in case you didn't realize it, but just because he initially said no to the police ransacking his house does not mean he did anything wrong in the slightest (in regards to not letting them in to search the house I mean). If Goodell gave a suspension because someone requires a warrant to have the police tear apart their home, then Goodell needs to suspend himself for being a total reject.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe they didn't plan it, and it was in the heat of the moment after the bar?
And did they "drop him off"' and then decide to park the car a mile away from Aaron's house and walk the rest of the way?
I guess the more plausible defenses is he dropped them off and took the car home, but something happened on the way.
Norman Paperman
Footballguy
he could have died from a drug overdose, before he was used as target practice.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
They shoot him in Hernandez's car and dump the body. They disappear the car to hide the evidence. AHern rents another vehicle.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again
A...hem.ghostguy123 said:Murderers generally arent bright people.tombonneau said:I know if I killed someone I would definitely leave the body, a car I rented, and the murder weapon a mile from my house.Sarnoff said:
Please don't make generalizations to groups of people that include me, sir.
- Ted Bundy
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
So much that is not verifiable at this point, though there is one report of a witness seeing AH and 2 men return to the home of AH. This same witness saw AH, the Lloyd and 2 others leave a bar together a bit earlier in the same vehicle. That's quite a bit of seeing for this one witness.
Added comment, I had assumed this witness was saying that the 3 who did return, returned in a vehicle. However upon re-read, it says simply that 3 returned. It does not specifically say whether that was in a car or on foot. However, it seems odd that if it were on foot, after having left in a car, that the witness would not have stated so.
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