Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

“@AdamSchefter: By releasing Aaron Hernandez today, Patriots have waived all rights to recoup bonus money or salary through the CBA.”

Wow.

 

[KCitons]

People suggesting that AH's salary will eventually go to Lloyd's family are forgetting about the Bradley lawsuit. No sure how well AH testimony is going to hold up in a civil case, when he is being charged for murder in a different state.

Bradley is probably shopping for Mercedes as we speak.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Haven't seen this posted in the thread but the arraignment is scheduled for 2pm.

-QG

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@DougKyedNESN

FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation.

Obstruction charge would allow for bail

Thats murder then

 

[KCitons]

@DougKyedNESN

FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation.

Obstruction charge would allow for bail

Thats murder then

Is anyone here still holding out hope?

Not unless AH's mom joined FBG.

 

[Amused to Death]

@DougKyedNESN

FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation.

Obstruction charge would allow for bail

Thats murder then

Is anyone here still holding out hope?

See the "Dynasty Value" thread. There's still a staff member who says there's still a chance he can play this year. Remote as it may be.

 

[cdubz]

With all due respect PatsFanCT, following along this thread some what closely, you have been way off on most of your assumptions. You have tried to remain way too optimistic about Ahern and what has lead to his arrest and now his release.


I truly have no dog in this fight, and it is a tragic day for Ahern, the NFL, and the young man who was brutally murdered. Ahern should rot in prison.

What exactly was the point of this arrogant post?

To say that this opinion of yours, just like the rest that you have put into this thread, is stupid.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=177520

"3. Be Excellent to One Another."

Let's keep this about the topic at hand and not about opinions of other posters please.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Haven't seen this posted in the thread but the arraignment is scheduled for 2pm.

-QG

Just a guess, but I would expect this to be very sparse in terms of new information.

 

[PatsFanCT]

@DougKyedNESN

FOX 25 just said Hernandez will go to Bristol County Jail after arraignment. This is a no bail situation.

Obstruction charge would allow for bail

Thats murder then

Is anyone here still holding out hope?

Yeah, no so much anymore. It ain't looking good for AH now.

 

[tombonneau]

“@AdamSchefter: By releasing Aaron Hernandez today, Patriots have waived all rights to recoup bonus money or salary through the CBA.”

Wow.

I find it hard to believe the situation is going to be uncomplicated enough to deliver a verdict with finality via a tweet. Certainly there will be arbitration with the NFLPA at a minimum.

 

[Sabertooth]

Breaking News: Hernandez was released in my dynasty league this morning in favor of Jake Ballard.

 

[Banemorth]

Breaking News: Hernandez was released in my dynasty league this morning in favor of Jake Ballard.

Shark move.

Well the shark move would have been dumping him for a future 1st or 2nd while you had the chance and then grabbing Ballard (what I did.)

 

[Touchdown There]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.
A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.
Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.
“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

 

[GregR]

Just realized, I am going to need to fix the rules in our salary cap league. We have a specific rule for retiring players and deceased players in regards to salary cap penalty. But, not for a life in prison.

Our MFL league treats them all the same-if they're not on an NFL roster when teams get down to 53 then you can get rid of them without penalty. Whether retired, deceased or in jail etc. doesn't matter.

Not ours, if a player is released and remains a free agent, then he still counts towards the cap and has a penalty if dropped. One owner carried ladainian tomlinson all last year.

Announce retirement and death are the only non penalty factors in our league.

Sounds like you already have a good rule in place then. Don't know what needs changing. Not sure why this should be different than any other player who was released.

 

[steveski]

I think its finally fair to say: WHAT A DUMBA$$

 

[Anarchy99]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.

Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.

“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

I'm not sure there is a direct link to an incident 5 months ago and 1,000 miles away. Other than Hernandez, were the guys in the car the same guys (not that we know anything about the 2 guys in the car in Florida or the 2 guys in the car in Massachusetts).

 

[jurb26]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

Wow, really hope he rots in prison for the rest of his life.

 

[cstu]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years

With friends like Hernandez, who needs enemies?

 

[Warrior]

I think it's safe to say that the Pats organization knows way more than has been disclosed by the media.

You think AH called up Kraft and confessed to something? How would they know more otherwise?

Kraft probably got the scoop from the police. I would imagine he has the leverage somewhere to pull that off.

Yeah, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't risk any details being released.

A guy like Kraft can exert far more pressure than most men. If they were preparing to charg AH with something more than obstruction, I'd be willing to bet Kraft knew about it "unofficially and off the record" days ago.

Then why wouldn't they have cut him days ago? I'm not buying the whole "Pats knew something" idea, but it's not like we'll ever know.

they couldn't cut him prior to ANY charges being leveled against him. But they obviously were prepped and ready to issue a release statement 3 minutes after he was seen being marched out of his house. Timing alone suggests that they were ready to pull the trigger whenever his arrest came out in public. Which would suggest that they knew something ahead of the popular media...

They could cut him any time. My opinion is they let him have the benefit of the doubt, but once they heard he was arrested, cut ties.

With all due respect PatsFanCT, following along this thread some what closely, you have been way off on most of your assumptions. You have tried to remain way too optimistic about Ahern and what has lead to his arrest and now his release.

I truly have no dog in this fight, and it is a tragic day for Ahern, the NFL, and the young man who was brutally murdered. Ahern should rot in prison.

What exactly was the point of this arrogant post?

He was referring to the fact that your opinions/posts on this particular subject lost credibility a number of pages ago.

They "could" have cut him at any time, but obviously it would have been a big mistake to cut him before he was even arrested. A little common sense goes a long way.

 

[KCitons]

Just realized, I am going to need to fix the rules in our salary cap league. We have a specific rule for retiring players and deceased players in regards to salary cap penalty. But, not for a life in prison.

Our MFL league treats them all the same-if they're not on an NFL roster when teams get down to 53 then you can get rid of them without penalty. Whether retired, deceased or in jail etc. doesn't matter.

Not ours, if a player is released and remains a free agent, then he still counts towards the cap and has a penalty if dropped. One owner carried ladainian tomlinson all last year.

Announce retirement and death are the only non penalty factors in our league.

Sounds like you already have a good rule in place then. Don't know what needs changing. Not sure why this should be different than any other player who was released.

you know fantasy football, someone will argue it's special circumstances. Retirement and death were the two things that came to mind. I don't know why I didn't think to include a long jail sentence (especially after Ray and Rae)

 

[Moniker]

At some point in this thread, there was mention that rumors of motive had been floated to radio personalities and they were unbelievable. I think that's still what I'm most interested in hearing once it comes forward.

Same here. If I remember correctly, they said it would be jaw-dropping.

 

[cstu]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.

Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.

“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

I'm not sure there is a direct link to an incident 5 months ago and 1,000 miles away. Other than Hernandez, were the guys in the car the same guys (not that we know anything about the 2 guys in the car in Florida or the 2 guys in the car in Massachusetts).

I'm not convinced of the link but it seems possible. If Lloyd was at that shooting and let it slip that he would testify against Hernandez maybe in the heat of the moment Hernandez (or one of his buddies) threatened him and accidently shot him. I have trouble believing that the entire thing was pre-meditated because it would be one of the worst planned murders in history.

 

[Touchdown There]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.

Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.

“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

I'm not sure there is a direct link to an incident 5 months ago and 1,000 miles away. Other than Hernandez, were the guys in the car the same guys (not that we know anything about the 2 guys in the car in Florida or the 2 guys in the car in Massachusetts).

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

 

[Anarchy99]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.

Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.

“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

I'm not sure there is a direct link to an incident 5 months ago and 1,000 miles away. Other than Hernandez, were the guys in the car the same guys (not that we know anything about the 2 guys in the car in Florida or the 2 guys in the car in Massachusetts).

I'm not convinced of the link but it seems possible. If Lloyd was at that shooting and let it slip that he would testify against Hernandez maybe in the heat of the moment Hernandez (or one of his buddies) threatened him and accidently shot him. I have trouble believing that the entire thing was pre-meditated because it would be one of the worst planned murders in history.

Having a gun with you is a good start to something being premeditated. Plus shooting someone execution style isn't exactly an accident, unless someone is bold enough to that dragging a guy out of an SUV in an industrial park, placing him on his knees, and shooting him multiple times in the back of the head was by accident.

 

[Anarchy99]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.

Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.

“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

I'm not sure there is a direct link to an incident 5 months ago and 1,000 miles away. Other than Hernandez, were the guys in the car the same guys (not that we know anything about the 2 guys in the car in Florida or the 2 guys in the car in Massachusetts).

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but at this point it doesn't seem like anyone has tied the two together. And for the low dollars that the guy in Florida wanted, AH would have been smarter just to pay him the $75-100K he was asking for.

 

[The_Man]

PFTCommenter ‏@PFTCommenter 2h

Pats might make a move to pick up Hernandez here,,classic belichick reclamation buying low getting him in an system w/ accountability

 

[Touchdown There]

At 6:30 AM of Feb 13th, AH shot his friend of multiple years, Alexander Bradley, through the arm and into his face. According to the suit, the two had an argument in a strip club and later, in the car, Hernandez pointed a gun at Bradley. The gun went off.

Was "Incident One" intentional? I believe that it may have been a "gangsta wannabe accident". Relevant information from link:

According to the suit, Hernandez was driving from Tootsie’s strip club in Miami to Palm Beach on Feb. 13 with a group of people when an argument ensued between Alexander Bradley, the suit’s plaintiff, and the football player.A gun that Hernandez “was not legally licensed to have” discharged, the suit stated. The bullet hit Bradley, 30, causing him to lose his right eye, and resulting in numerous surgeries, difficulty eating and other damages that are “permanent in nature,” according to the suit.

Bradley is seeking at least $75,000 in damages from Hernandez, Jaroslawicz said, and wants to know whether the gun was fired on purpose.

“When we get Mr. Hernandez’s testimony, hopefully he’ll tell us. My guess is he’ll say I didn’t do it deliberately,” he said.

Now put yourself in AH's shoes. You have a brand new $40 million contract. How much worry is AH going through from Feb - June? He accidentally shot a guy in a car with multiple witnesses. Do you think that Odin Lloyd was a passenger in the vehicle on Feb 13th?

The shooting that went down last Monday night happened after AH and a group of buds went to Club Desire, a combo sports bar and strip club. I have no idea that the group was trying to work out details since Incident One was going public with Bradley's civil suit.

Whatever happened that night, AH did not like it. He may not have pulled the trigger in Incident Two, but it was a direct result of Incident One.

I'm not sure there is a direct link to an incident 5 months ago and 1,000 miles away. Other than Hernandez, were the guys in the car the same guys (not that we know anything about the 2 guys in the car in Florida or the 2 guys in the car in Massachusetts).

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but at this point it doesn't seem like anyone has tied the two together. And for the low dollars that the guy in Florida wanted, AH would have been smarter just to pay him the $75-100K he was asking for.

That is just medical bills. The punitive damages come later.

 

[Shutout]

So the forum was wrong to discuss whether the evidence we knew of made AH look guilty. Because "he's innocent until proven guilty" and "you can't be judge, jury and executioner". Despite said discussion not having any impact on AH.

But not a single post about how horrible the Patriots are for depriving him of his job when he hasn't been proven guilty yet?

Classy move, staff person. Drive off the people that contribute to the lifeblood of your site.

Check your reading and take a moment to stop crowing. I never said people couldn't have an opinion or discuss it. What I said was the simple truth. In this country, despite opinions and conjecture, the only FACT is that you are innocent until proven guilty after being given due process of the law.

The judge, Jury, executioner comment is clearly an illustration of the conjecture that was being thrown about in relation to the citizen rights and was never told of what a person can or can not do.

I did post in relation to his release. I said it was likely money or personally emotionally related. No, I did not say it was horrible but why would I? Those are your thoughts and your connection, not mine.

 

[Vector]

PFTCommenter ‏@PFTCommenter 2h

Pats might make a move to pick up Hernandez here,,classic belichick reclamation buying low getting him in an system w/ accountability

 

[HughHoney]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

 

[KCitons]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

At this point, it's gonna have to be really weird. My jaw is already on the floor.

 

[Faust]

Aaron Hernandez arrest should bring swift action from NFL

Mike Freeman

It is a scene that we've witnessed before: an NFL player in handcuffs surrounded by police at the center of a high-profile murder case.

Aaron Hernandez was arrested on Wednesday, a shirt draped over his bare chest, a cloud sitting squarely over his sport.

Hernandez hasn't been proven guilty of anything, but this news is a semi-case of Groundhog Day. While the vast majority of NFL players are law abiding, the league has provided its share of ugly history.

"All anyone in the NFL is talking about is this case,” said one NFC assistant coach, “and how this case reminds them of a few others.”

Those would be the Ray Lewis case, and the trial of Rae Carruth, convicted of murdering his pregnant girlfriend. Those cases were supposed to be the ones that changed the sport for the better. Teams were supposed to be more cautious in drafting and selecting players. At the time, on the heels of those cases, we thought it was the end of the bad-boy NFL player era.

Yet, unfortunately, here we are again.

League sources say the security arm of the NFL has gathered “a massive amount of information” on the Hernandez case from law enforcement officials. They have, one source says, shared that information with the Patriots, who have their own security arm.

It was this information that led to the Patriots releasing Hernandez just a short time after his arrest and before he was even arraigned.

This doesn't mean Hernandez is guilty. What this does mean is the NFL and the Patriots, a source explained, believe there is far more to this story and don't want to be anywhere near Hernandez.

"The involvement of an NFL player in a case of this nature is deeply troubling,” said the NFL in a statement. “The Patriots have released Aaron Hernandez, who will have his day in court. At the same time, we should not forget the young man who was the victim in this case and take this opportunity to extend our deepest sympathy to Odin Lloyd's family and friends.”

This all has a familiar feel. Flash back to November 1999. Cherica Adams was driving her car when she was shot five times by a friend of Carruth's. Before dying, Adams described the entire scene to police on a 911 call. Carruth, a short time later, became a fugitive before he was found hiding in the trunk of his car. He was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder. He is in prison.

Flash back to January 2000 at Super Bowl XXXIV in Atlanta. Lewis and several of his friends were involved in a fight and, as a result of the brawl, two men were stabbed to death. Lewis was charged with the murder but reached a plea agreement with the prosecution resulting in a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.

Lewis wasn't suspended by the NFL but was fined a then-league-record $250,000. The commissioner at the time, Paul Tagliabue, issued a stinging rebuke of Lewis' actions.

By lying to police, Tagliabue stated, Lewis “put his own livelihood and reputation needlessly at risk, and he caused great harm to other NFL players and to the league.”

And that is what cases like these do; they cause great harm to other players. That was supposed to be the history lesson learned.

As history possibly repeats, a new league, and a new commissioner will likely act quite differently in the Hernandez case.

At that time, it was believed by almost everyone in football there would never be anything like Carruth or Lewis again. “The feeling was that they were so unusual,” says one longtime NFL team executive, “history would never repeat itself. They were just so unusual. How many players are involved in murders?”

There have been other high-profile criminal cases in recent years. Mike Vick ran a dog-fighting ring. Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault. Players have killed people driving drunk. Since this year's Super Bowl, there have been approximately 30 arrests of NFL players.

But a murder case is unusual. It is primal and ugly and can severely damage the reputation of a league even as extremely powerful and seemingly untouchable as the NFL.

The past murder cases were main catalysts for the league to enact harsher penalties, and Roger Goodell has not demonstrated any reservation toward disciplining players without a conviction.

League sources say this is the likely scenario regarding Hernandez. As CBSSports.com has reported, the league remains inclined to wait before Goodell issues any penalties. But while previously that wait was going to be several months, with teams heading into training camp, a source said the wait now might be just several weeks.

The Patriots releasing Hernandez is also a symbol that Goodell might act quicker than expected. The NFL seems ready for a fight from the union if there is a suspension before a conviction. Goodell, the NFL says privately, has that power.

After Carruth, there was never supposed to be another murder case involving an NFL player. After Lewis, there was never supposed to be another murder case involving an NFL player.

Now comes Hernandez. And while any type of conviction is far away, if it will ever occur, it brings back memories of what was supposed to never happen again: an NFL player accused of being involved in a murder case.

 

[Touchdown There]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

AH was not happy with Lloyd's involvement and intentions stemming from Incident One.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Well Warrior, since the quotes have maxed out on the other post, my reply was to the comments about Kraft and the Patriots knowing ahead of time that he was going to be arrested. So please explain how that, or any other posts of mine lose any credibility?

 

[Touchdown There]

Well Warrior, since the quotes have maxed out on the other post, my reply was to the comments about Kraft and the Patriots knowing ahead of time that he was going to be arrested. So please explain how that, or any other posts of mine lose any credibility?

Nearly everyone knows your posts were overly optimistic and homerish for a guy involved in two shootings in the same off-season. Let it go.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I can think of just one or two possibilities where Hernandez can still skate or come out of this with reputation intact. My guess is that evidence could easily blow up both possibilities.

1) It was reported in another thread that Hernandez was dating one sister but has a kid with the sister the deceased was dating. Maybe Hernandez found out the guy was molesting his kid, took matters into his own hands and tried to get away with it.

2) Similar possibility in that Hernandez finds out the deceased was abusing his girlfriend in some way and takes matters into his own hands.

I doubt either is a real possibility, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear one of these two stories at trial.

 

[gianmarco]

Who gets out of jail first?

Hernandez or Carruth (2018)?

 

[Bruce Hammond]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

Lloyd was dating the sis of AH's girlfriend.

I'll go with something seedy and sexual. Maybe he got AH's girl preggers.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

so not arrested today? Is there truly a warrent issued and what would be taking so long?

"Mr. Hernandez, is today a good day to arrest you or would you rather wait till monday?"

"ah, monday sounds good, thanks"

If the warrant is for obstruction of justice, it's not exactly some super high priority.

There are LOTS of people out there right now with warrants for their arrest that are not actually being pursued by the police to bring them in to the police station. Many of them are taken in if/when they happen to get pulled over for something and the officer tells them there is a warrant for their arrest.

Hernandez is obviously higher profile so it would be more likely they pursue it, but it would pretty much be telling him to come in, not going to hunt him down to arrest him.

Murder charge, different story

what about when they search your house for the 2nd time? Is anyone else starting to think that AH is getting some favorable treatment since the crime did happen in the same town that the Patriots play in and the players there are treated better much godlike.

As others have stated, you gotta think that Aaron's days as a Patriot, an NFL player, are pretty close to over. The PR damage alone is probably sufficient enough, never mind what the NFL front office might elect to do if even some minor charges come about.

And if this is an accurate representation, there would seem to be zero upside to any favorable treatment for a current seemingly doomed Pats player. Plus there would seem to be enough persons involved, most of whom I'd guess honor the role of investigator, officer, detective, that it would be very difficult to conspire to treat favorably.

I just don't see it.

Or maybe he didnt do it, and will be allowed back once that is proven.

Wait I forgot in this great country of America you are Guilty until proven innocent. But then again this is the same country that wants a man in Hong Kong arrested for hacking the government to find out the Government was hacking US against OUR rights.

No one really knows whats going on and all the facts are in the air, but to the majority here still think he did it because he is being questioned and searched by cops who lie and are just as crooked. Doesnt mean he didnt do anything, just means he is innocent until PROVEN guilty, and there is no proof yet

Facts don't matter to an employer. Perception does. Hernandez is perceived to be a problem and is hurting the Patriots. So he was released.

He may find a way out of this but I still think his days in the NFL are over.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

at least if he goes to jail he'll be going in as a TE...next time we see him however you might say he is a WR

 

[GroveDiesel]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

Hernandez and the deceased were actually lovers and Hernandez killed him when the guy threatened to expose him.

 

[CapnJB]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

He really wanted to play for the Boston Bandits?

 

[QuizGuy66]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

I already did about 10 pages ago. Basically the 4 of them all were in Florida for the previous incident and Hernandez was nervous about what the (Attleborough) victim was going to say. Remember the Florida victim's initial story said he was attacked by 2 black men and 2 hispanic men. That seemed like something that would deflect from a soul assailant (Hernandez) and a grab at Hernandez. The Florida victim clammed up after that - perhaps b/c he was nervous or didn't want to snitch or b/c Hernandez said he'd take care of his bills.

All but if the two cases were connected I think that'd be a bit of a blockbuster.

-QG

 

[KCitons]

Wait wasn't there a thread in FFA that discussed a one guy stabbing another guy due to a threesome?

Maybe AH doesn't like another man's junk touching his.

 

[Donnybrook]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

AH was drinking cranberry juice at the bar and Lloyd made a crack about him being on his period while driving home.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Well Warrior, since the quotes have maxed out on the other post, my reply was to the comments about Kraft and the Patriots knowing ahead of time that he was going to be arrested. So please explain how that, or any other posts of mine lose any credibility?

Nearly everyone knows your posts were overly optimistic and homerish for a guy involved in two shootings in the same off-season. Let it go.

There are dozens of posts where guys in here are making crazy assumption as how this thing went down, but my posts have lost credibility?

I never said he was innocent of anything. And if I had to wager on innocent or guilty, I would have bet on guilty... Of course that would mean he was innocent, since I cant seem to win any bets. But it's a bit arrogant to pretend that my posts are any more or less credible to anyone else's.

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[moderated]

ghostguy needs to be put on suicide watch.

 

[EBF]

So anybody wanna take a stab at what these jaw dropping motives might have been for AH?

I guess I've seen enough Forensic Files to play junior detective on the Internet.

The catalyst for this shooting was probably some kind of dispute with Lloyd's girlfriend or hush money for the first shooting.

If this was a premeditated thing, these guys are complete morons. Why go out with the victim in public on the night of his shooting? Why dump the body so close to the house? I feel like they probably didn't plan to kill this guy. He said or did something while they were out that set them off, and that was that.

 

[jurb26]

I can think of just one or two possibilities where Hernandez can still skate or come out of this with reputation intact. My guess is that evidence could easily blow up both possibilities.

1) It was reported in another thread that Hernandez was dating one sister but has a kid with the sister the deceased was dating. Maybe Hernandez found out the guy was molesting his kid, took matters into his own hands and tried to get away with it.

2) Similar possibility in that Hernandez finds out the deceased was abusing his girlfriend in some way and takes matters into his own hands.

I doubt either is a real possibility, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear one of these two stories at trial.

I don't see how either of these would clear his rep?

 

[Moniker]

I can think of just one or two possibilities where Hernandez can still skate or come out of this with reputation intact. My guess is that evidence could easily blow up both possibilities.

1) It was reported in another thread that Hernandez was dating one sister but has a kid with the sister the deceased was dating. Maybe Hernandez found out the guy was molesting his kid, took matters into his own hands and tried to get away with it.

2) Similar possibility in that Hernandez finds out the deceased was abusing his girlfriend in some way and takes matters into his own hands.

I doubt either is a real possibility, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear one of these two stories at trial.

#1 would be jaw-dropping, even for this mess.