Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)

[HellToupee]

so whats the motive? odin smack talked? geez

Its about respect man

 

[massraider]

Sean Kelly/Staff @SeanKellyTV

Shell casing found under driver's seat in AH rental car. #Hernandez #wcvb

Worst criminal ever.

OK, got the phone smashed.......took care of the security system, check. Why do I feel like I am forgetting something.....Dang! This is gonna bug me.

 

[GoBirds]

This defense attorney is comedy.

I thought he did a great job.

I thought throwing in home owner as why someone accused of murder should get bail was an eye opener.

Pretty standard basis for bail imo. You have to show roots in the community as a basis for non-flight risk, and home ownership is a pretty standard way to show that.

It worked great.

 

[The_Man]

Sean Kelly/Staff @SeanKellyTV

Shell casing found under driver's seat in AH rental car. #Hernandez #wcvb

Worst criminal ever.

No joke. What else could AH have possibly done to link himself with the crime? I guess have the dead guy's blood in his house - so hiring the Monday cleaning crew was about the only thing he did right.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This defense attorney is comedy.

I thought he did a great job.

He had NOTHING to work with at all.

 

[HellToupee]

In prison, Hernandez will be a mantle piece. You are king of the block when he is your #####. Had he gotten bail, I think we would have seen a suicide. For me, this story is officially over. Hernandez won't ever play in the NFL again. All that talent and money, yet he chose to be a thug. Wasteful.

He'll be in solitary for 23hrs/day for years

 

[KCitons]

Reading off of the minute by minute account is impressive. It really goes to show you how much technology is making it a lot tougher to get away with stuff.

I really thought that smashing his phone was kind of silly. If you are doing all this stuff after the fact, it's too late, man.

Or just leave your cell phone at home all night, and claim you never left. Instant alibi!

I know you are kidding, but this case is a great reminder that we/you/me are on camera.

After the charges, I walked down 15th St, to 7th Ave, went in a store, got some bread, and walked back. About 100 yards total. Probably photographed six times, MINIMUM.

Did you shoot anyone 5 times while you were out?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Ok, so I got to ask. Where and what has happened to the other 2 guys?

Really. How was there no mention of them after they were taken out of Hernandez' house over a week ago.

 

[Faust]

Jane McManus@janesports Retweeted by mike freeman

Important to note that prosecution's assertions may not all hold up in court. It's a compelling narrative, but Hernandez isn't yet guilty.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I guess have the dead guy's blood in his house - so hiring the Monday cleaning crew was about the only thing he did right.

He did have a red "Blood" tattoo on his hand.

 

[HellToupee]

Ok, so I got to ask. Where and what has happened to the other 2 guys?

I would imagine talking.

 

[massraider]

Hope you Junior G-Men put away your badges now. You've really embarrassed yourselves in this thread.

I dunno, I think I did better than most. And my badge is made of tinfoil anyway

-QG

My favorites were the 'read-between-the-lines' types.

"If the cops had anything, why haven't they arrested him yet, huh? Huh????"

Jesus, they had so much on him, I think the delay was to make sure they had the RIGHT FLAVOR OF GUM HE WAS CHEWING when he capped the poor guy.

Would have laughed very hard at this if it was under different circumstances.

Or if, ya know, someone really said that. massraider likes to pump his chest, and sometimes he gets carried away.

Then you have a bad memory. This thread is littered with people making absurd predictions and statements, based on a warrant not being served fast enough for their taste, for Pete's sake. And that's just one example.

I didn't mention your name, but yeah, if I magically deleted all posts by you, ghost and Kcwhatever, this thread gets a lot more read-able. Better yet, if I could delete the phrase:

JUST SAYING

 

[KCitons]

What do you call 20 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

A Good Start.

My wish that you are one of them.

lolz

but I doubt he's a lawyer

Nope, as someone already pointed out, we are jr G-Men.

 

[moderated]

what a tough guy

I'm sure the inmates in GP will be eager to find out how tough. He'll be traded nightly for a pack of smokes. "see how tough the NFL dude is".

doubt it, he'll be protected by the Mexican gangs. He's got money.

 

[RUSF18]

Hope you Junior G-Men put away your badges now. You've really embarrassed yourselves in this thread.

I dunno, I think I did better than most. And my badge is made of tinfoil anyway

-QG

My favorites were the 'read-between-the-lines' types.

"If the cops had anything, why haven't they arrested him yet, huh? Huh????"

Jesus, they had so much on him, I think the delay was to make sure they had the RIGHT FLAVOR OF GUM HE WAS CHEWING when he capped the poor guy.

Would have laughed very hard at this if it was under different circumstances.

Or if, ya know, someone really said that. massraider likes to pump his chest, and sometimes he gets carried away.

Easy there...my comment was in reference to them nailing the flavor of gum...

Ok, so I got to ask. Where and what has happened to the other 2 guys?

Really. How was there no mention of them after they were taken out of Hernandez' house over a week ago.

Probably because they're corroborating witnesses at this time.

 

[jurb26]

Ok, so I got to ask. Where and what has happened to the other 2 guys?

I would imagine talking.

I'm guessing too. I'm not that familiar with the law or these things though. Is it normal for them to be unmentioned and basically forgotten like this? Is that a telling sign that they ar cooperating?

 

[KCitons]

Hope you Junior G-Men put away your badges now. You've really embarrassed yourselves in this thread.

I dunno, I think I did better than most. And my badge is made of tinfoil anyway

-QG

My favorites were the 'read-between-the-lines' types.

"If the cops had anything, why haven't they arrested him yet, huh? Huh????"

Jesus, they had so much on him, I think the delay was to make sure they had the RIGHT FLAVOR OF GUM HE WAS CHEWING when he capped the poor guy.

Would have laughed very hard at this if it was under different circumstances.

Or if, ya know, someone really said that. massraider likes to pump his chest, and sometimes he gets carried away.

Then you have a bad memory. This thread is littered with people making absurd predictions and statements, based on a warrant not being served fast enough for their taste, for Pete's sake. And that's just one example.

I didn't mention your name, but yeah, if I magically deleted all posts by you, ghost and Kcwhatever, this thread gets a lot more read-able. Better yet, if I could delete the phrase:

JUST SAYING

you can, just hit the ignore button.

 

[HellToupee]

Important to note that prosecution's assertions may not all hold up in court. It's a compelling narrative, but Hernandez isn't yet guilty.

Thanks for the reminder & being the voice of reason

 

[KCitons]

I like how some people in this forum think their opinions are better than anyone elses. Or they feel the need to tell people to quit posting.

I have a suggestion, go someplace else.

Do to your complaints, I'm going to turn up my number of posts, just to piss you off.

Just saying.

 

[HellToupee]

what a tough guy

I'm sure the inmates in GP will be eager to find out how tough. He'll be traded nightly for a pack of smokes. "see how tough the NFL dude is".

doubt it, he'll be protected by the Mexican gangs. He's got money.

That money is going to the lawyers

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Important to note that prosecution's assertions may not all hold up in court. It's a compelling narrative, but Hernandez isn't yet guilty.

Thanks for the reminder & being the voice of reason

He hasn't been found guilty in court. But the odds are astronomically high he killed that guy, and one of the other guys in the car is corroborating all the video/phone/physical evidence IMO.

 

[Faust]

Aaron Hernandez Charged With Murder, Released By Patriots

Excerpt:

In court Wednesday, the prosecutor recounted the events of June 17, saying Hernandez and two other men picked up Lloyd in Dorchester around 2:30 a.m. in a rented Nissan Altima.

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

The four men drove around Boston, then headed south down Routes 128 and 95 and eventually onto Route 152 in the Attleboro area. During the ride, Lloyd exchanged texts with his sister. The last one was sent at 3:23 a.m.

Surveillance video, according to investigators, showed the car entering a gravel road that leads to a field in an industrial park near Hernandez’s home at 3:23 a.m.

The prosecutor said overnight workers in the park reported hearing gunshots at that time. Surveillance images showed the Nissan leaving the scene at 3:27 a.m.

Hernandez and the two associates then returned to Hernandez’s home less than two minutes away and shut off the surveillance video system, according to investigators.

Lloyd’s body was discovered several hours later – around 5:30 p.m. – by a jogger.

Prosecutors said Hernandez eventually changed cars, disposed of the gun and then destroyed his home surveillance system.

After pleading not guilty at his arraignment Wednesday, the judge ordered Hernandez held without bail.

He blew a kiss to someone in the court before he was led away around 3:20 p.m.

 

[Fantasy Fool]

They still have not found the murder weapon right?

I listenend to the arraignment. They basically have full video footage off the 4 guys driving all the way to the industrial site where the muder took place. Overnight workers near site heard 5 gunshots, and shell casings were found at the scene, as well as in the rental car driven by Hernandez. They have video footage after the murder of the men arriving at Hernandez's house with guns clearly visible in hand. They proceed to the basement where the surveillance system is shut off.

The victims last text messages to his sister were, guess who I'm with? she asked who? He responded NFL, then his final text message to her was.......just so you know

I think we havent heard about the other 2 guys with Hernandez because they are probably talking to prosecutors to save their own butts. Still going to be hard to pin murder charge with no weapon, or if no witness throws Hernandez under the bus.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Important to note that prosecution's assertions may not all hold up in court. It's a compelling narrative, but Hernandez isn't yet guilty.

Thanks for the reminder & being the voice of reason

Yep. He looks guilty as hell, but without the murder weapon or a witness to the actual murder, it could be hard to prove without a reasonable doubt in court. Time will tell.

 

[massraider]

Aaron Hernandez Charged With Murder, Released By Patriots

Excerpt:

In court Wednesday, the prosecutor recounted the events of June 17, saying Hernandez and two other men picked up Lloyd in Dorchester around 2:30 a.m. in a rented Nissan Altima.

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

The four men drove around Boston, then headed south down Routes 128 and 95 and eventually onto Route 152 in the Attleboro area. During the ride, Lloyd exchanged texts with his sister. The last one was sent at 3:23 a.m.

Surveillance video, according to investigators, showed the car entering a gravel road that leads to a field in an industrial park near Hernandez’s home at 3:23 a.m.

The prosecutor said overnight workers in the park reported hearing gunshots at that time. Surveillance images showed the Nissan leaving the scene at 3:27 a.m.

Hernandez and the two associates then returned to Hernandez’s home less than two minutes away and shut off the surveillance video system, according to investigators.

Lloyd’s body was discovered several hours later – around 5:30 p.m. – by a jogger.

Prosecutors said Hernandez eventually changed cars, disposed of the gun and then destroyed his home surveillance system.

After pleading not guilty at his arraignment Wednesday, the judge ordered Hernandez held without bail.

He blew a kiss to someone in the court before he was led away around 3:20 p.m.

I have no idea what an open and shut case looks like, but this seems like a nice template. A four minute window?? Dang.

 

[cstu]

Sean Kelly/Staff @SeanKellyTV

Shell casing found under driver's seat in AH rental car. #Hernandez #wcvb

Worst criminal ever.

No joke. What else could AH have possibly done to link himself with the crime? I guess have the dead guy's blood in his house - so hiring the Monday cleaning crew was about the only thing he did right.

That was stupid too. He should have went down to Home Depot and hired all the guys there and not leave a paper trail.

 

[Faust]

Ian Rapoport@RapSheet

Only question attorney Michael Fee took was on how Aaron Hernandez is. Said, "Aaron is fine." Then walked off.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Hope you Junior G-Men put away your badges now. You've really embarrassed yourselves in this thread.

I dunno, I think I did better than most. And my badge is made of tinfoil anyway

-QG

My favorites were the 'read-between-the-lines' types.

"If the cops had anything, why haven't they arrested him yet, huh? Huh????"

Jesus, they had so much on him, I think the delay was to make sure they had the RIGHT FLAVOR OF GUM HE WAS CHEWING when he capped the poor guy.

Would have laughed very hard at this if it was under different circumstances.

Or if, ya know, someone really said that. massraider likes to pump his chest, and sometimes he gets carried away.

Then you have a bad memory. This thread is littered with people making absurd predictions and statements, based on a warrant not being served fast enough for their taste, for Pete's sake. And that's just one example.

I didn't mention your name, but yeah, if I magically deleted all posts by you, ghost and Kcwhatever, this thread gets a lot more read-able. Better yet, if I could delete the phrase:

JUST SAYING

So, you don't like the absurd predictions people were making, and you don't like the "Let's let this play out" group... What posts meet your suitable expectations. Pretty much just yours, right?

 

[Shutout]

Jane McManus@janesports Retweeted by mike freeman

Important to note that prosecution's assertions may not all hold up in court. It's a compelling narrative, but Hernandez isn't yet guilty.

Careful there, Jane. A lot of People around here don't like facts like "he hasn't been found guilty yet" clouding up the circus floor.

On a lighter note, this will make a helluva 30 for 30 someday, no matter how it all shakes out.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I like how some people in this forum think their opinions are better than anyone elses. Or they feel the need to tell people to quit posting.

I have a suggestion, go someplace else.

Do to your complaints, I'm going to turn up my number of posts, just to piss you off.

Just saying.

no need to punish the rest of us for the actions of a few

 

[KCitons]

Aaron Hernandez Charged With Murder, Released By Patriots

Excerpt:

In court Wednesday, the prosecutor recounted the events of June 17, saying Hernandez and two other men picked up Lloyd in Dorchester around 2:30 a.m. in a rented Nissan Altima.

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

The four men drove around Boston, then headed south down Routes 128 and 95 and eventually onto Route 152 in the Attleboro area. During the ride, Lloyd exchanged texts with his sister. The last one was sent at 3:23 a.m.

Surveillance video, according to investigators, showed the car entering a gravel road that leads to a field in an industrial park near Hernandez’s home at 3:23 a.m.

The prosecutor said overnight workers in the park reported hearing gunshots at that time. Surveillance images showed the Nissan leaving the scene at 3:27 a.m.

Hernandez and the two associates then returned to Hernandez’s home less than two minutes away and shut off the surveillance video system, according to investigators.

Lloyd’s body was discovered several hours later – around 5:30 p.m. – by a jogger.

Prosecutors said Hernandez eventually changed cars, disposed of the gun and then destroyed his home surveillance system.

After pleading not guilty at his arraignment Wednesday, the judge ordered Hernandez held without bail.

He blew a kiss to someone in the court before he was led away around 3:20 p.m.

I have no idea what an open and shut case looks like, but this seems like a nice template. A four minute window?? Dang.

Have you seen any of this evidence. Just because the prosecutor makes the statement doesn't mean all of these things will be admissible in court

 

[massraider]

So, you don't like the absurd predictions people were making, and you don't like the "Let's let this play out" group... What posts meet your suitable expectations. Pretty much just yours, right?

I didn't see the point in wild scenarios that had no basis in fact (people were trying to involve the victim's girlfriend??), and the pointless back and forth, kind of like this one, actually. So I will just apologize for engaging in another one and move on. The last word is yours, sir.

 

[Tom Hagen]

what a tough guy

I'm sure the inmates in GP will be eager to find out how tough. He'll be traded nightly for a pack of smokes. "see how tough the NFL dude is".

doubt it, he'll be protected by the Mexican gangs. He's got money.

That money is going to the lawyers

Good point. His attorney's name is literally Fee.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Aaron Hernandez Charged With Murder, Released By Patriots

Excerpt:

In court Wednesday, the prosecutor recounted the events of June 17, saying Hernandez and two other men picked up Lloyd in Dorchester around 2:30 a.m. in a rented Nissan Altima.

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

The four men drove around Boston, then headed south down Routes 128 and 95 and eventually onto Route 152 in the Attleboro area. During the ride, Lloyd exchanged texts with his sister. The last one was sent at 3:23 a.m.

Surveillance video, according to investigators, showed the car entering a gravel road that leads to a field in an industrial park near Hernandez’s home at 3:23 a.m.

The prosecutor said overnight workers in the park reported hearing gunshots at that time. Surveillance images showed the Nissan leaving the scene at 3:27 a.m.

Hernandez and the two associates then returned to Hernandez’s home less than two minutes away and shut off the surveillance video system, according to investigators.

Lloyd’s body was discovered several hours later – around 5:30 p.m. – by a jogger.

Prosecutors said Hernandez eventually changed cars, disposed of the gun and then destroyed his home surveillance system.

After pleading not guilty at his arraignment Wednesday, the judge ordered Hernandez held without bail.

He blew a kiss to someone in the court before he was led away around 3:20 p.m.

I have no idea what an open and shut case looks like, but this seems like a nice template. A four minute window?? Dang.

That's basically the mob / gang style scenario, where they grab a guy, tie him up in the back seat (or tell him they're going for a ride with him in between two muscleheads), pull him out, do the thing, then leave.

But usually they have the sense to do it somewhere other than their de facto backyard. See Hoffa.

 

[Banemorth]

He never ever EVER plays another game of football. There's a reason we haven't heard anything about the other two guys. They're absolutely working with prosecutors. You could see the surprise on Hernandez's face with some of the details they had and how much they know. I like watching him squirm. ####### waste of flesh.

Agreed, he looked pretty shocked how much the police know, the other 2 suspects must have told them everything they want to know.

Delicious wasn't it?

 

[KCitons]

I like how some people in this forum think their opinions are better than anyone elses. Or they feel the need to tell people to quit posting.

I have a suggestion, go someplace else.

Do to your complaints, I'm going to turn up my number of posts, just to piss you off.

Just saying.

no need to punish the rest of us for the actions of a few

As if your opinion of me could get any worse Larry. Not really my concern.

 

[Steed]

Ok, so I got to ask. Where and what has happened to the other 2 guys?

Isnt it obvious? They turned states' evidence.

 

[HellToupee]

Why bring in the two associates from CT.

 

[Donnybrook]

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

Couldn't trust him with what? Maybe it is as some have been suggesting that Lloyd knew about the shooting in February.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We'll have to see just how much evidence the prosecution has but Hernandez isnt off to a good start.

 

[jurb26]

Ok, so I got to ask. Where and what has happened to the other 2 guys?

Isnt it obvious? They turned states' evidence.

So they won't be charged through a deal or they will later be charged with accessory?

 

[PatsFanCT]

Why bring in the two associates from CT.

Probably guys from Hernandez' hood.

 

[The_Man]

Yep. He looks guilty as hell, but without the murder weapon or a witness to the actual murder, it could be hard to prove without a reasonable doubt in court. Time will tell.

I just don't buy that. They have Hernandez and the victim in the car, driving to the murder site, they have the sound of gunshots, then they have Hernandez leaving the murder site, and going home with a gun in hand, and with bullet casings in the car. Is the defense that they dropped the victim off, and then someone else happened to murder him four minutes later with a caliber of gun that just so happened to match the bullet casings in the car?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Not a lawyer, but it sounds like the best case for the "other two" (including Hernandez if he didn't pull the trigger) is that they get a reduced setences. But they'll still be charged in relation to the murder in some way or other.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Aaron Hernandez Charged With Murder, Released By Patriots

Excerpt:

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

What did he expect. It was Club Rumor after all.

 

[Donnybrook]

Hernandez was allegedly upset with Lloyd about speaking to someone at Club Rumor in Boston earlier in the weekend and claimed he couldn’t trust him, according to the prosecutor.

Couldn't trust him with what? Maybe it is as some have been suggesting that Lloyd knew about the shooting in February.

Appropiately named I might add.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Yep. He looks guilty as hell, but without the murder weapon or a witness to the actual murder, it could be hard to prove without a reasonable doubt in court. Time will tell.

I just don't buy that. They have Hernandez and the victim in the car, driving to the murder site, they have the sound of gunshots, then they have Hernandez leaving the murder site, and going home with a gun in hand, and with bullet casings in the car. Is the defense that they dropped the victim off, and then someone else happened to murder him four minutes later with a caliber of gun that just so happened to match the bullet casings in the car?

Yeah, murder weapon or no murder weapon. The jury will take all of 30 seconds to convict him.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I like how some people in this forum think their opinions are better than anyone elses. Or they feel the need to tell people to quit posting.

I have a suggestion, go someplace else.

Do to your complaints, I'm going to turn up my number of posts, just to piss you off.

Just saying.

no need to punish the rest of us for the actions of a few

As if your opinion of me could get any worse Larry. Not really my concern.

do I know you?

 

[massraider]

I have no idea what an open and shut case looks like, but this seems like a nice template. A four minute window?? Dang.

Have you seen any of this evidence. Just because the prosecutor makes the statement doesn't mean all of these things will be admissible in court

You may not believe this, but no, I have not seen the evidence. But I am going to assume it as a .45 caliber that killed him. And I am going to assume that the shell found in his car is going to match one of the shots that killed him. I am going to further ASSUME that video showing AH with the victim driving into the area where he was killed, and leaving 4 freaking minutes later, will make it to court. I am going to further assume that testimony by people in that area that heard the shots makes it to court as well. As a layman, who doesn't know anything about the law, this looks pretty dang bad to me.

A great deal of the wasted posts in here are that "I am just saying, he is innocent until proven guilty".

Well fine. If everyone concedes that there is still a chance that he didn't do this, and maybe a team of ninjas led by Odin's girlfriend snuck in behind AH with an identical gun, can we just move on?

Talk about manning a sinking ship.

 

[Shutout]

Yep. He looks guilty as hell, but without the murder weapon or a witness to the actual murder, it could be hard to prove without a reasonable doubt in court. Time will tell.

I just don't buy that. They have Hernandez and the victim in the car, driving to the murder site, they have the sound of gunshots, then they have Hernandez leaving the murder site, and going home with a gun in hand, and with bullet casings in the car. Is the defense that they dropped the victim off, and then someone else happened to murder him four minutes later with a caliber of gun that just so happened to match the bullet casings in the car?

Yeah, murder weapon or no murder weapon. The jury will take all of 30 seconds to convict him.

How do you get a fair trial by jury in a case like this? Where do they find a full set of jurors?