Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (3 Viewers)

[PatsWillWin]

The Patriots have voided the remaining guarantees in Aaron Hernandez's contract.

The guarantees included $2.5 million in base salaries over the next two seasons, $1 million in workout bonuses, and the rest of his signing bonus. The Patriots face a stiff battle to avoid paying Hernandez his $3.25 million signing bonus payment that was due in March, but they seem set on making him fight for it. Hernandez's cap numbers will be $2.55 million in 2013 and $7.5 million in 2014. The 2013 number was previously scheduled to be over $5 million.

Related: Patriots

Source: NFL.com

how?

It means they refuse to pay and he has to take them to court if he wants the money.

Any reason to think the NFLPA would have an issue with this?

they have to go after the Pats, to just let it slide will lead to a slippery slope down the road.

Agreed. Considering the Mark Sanchez example above, where would you draw the line?

Murder. Murder would be an okay place to draw the line.

I highly doubt the NFLPA raises a finger for Hernandez.

First, he's not officially a murderer, yet.

Second, if a guy goes out and rapes a couple women, giving them HIV, is that not enough to void a contract? How about if he attempts to murder the president? Beats up some school children, and puts a couple in a coma?

Murder is the ultimate crime, but there are many others not too far behind.

Sure, those would qualify too. How often/likely do you think those things will happen?

People get way too liberal with the "slippery slope" idea. This is the definition of a special circumstance. If there are a couple of other special circumstances over the next 100 years, the league can assess them individually.

 

[Phenix]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

You might not be aware of this, but he'll be getting his day in court.

Guess it's lucky for the pats your opinion doesn't count for anything.

Really? I had no clue what so ever he was going to get his day in court, you know, since I'm advocating for him to be treated innocent until that day he is proven guilty.

You also might not be aware of this, since you are to busy typing smart responses, but you are innocent until proven guilty in this country.

Good thing for the legal system your opinion does not count for anything.

 

[PatsWillWin]

For the record, I could careless if Hernandez gets a red cent of his signing bonus. I just don't care for the fact the Patriots could get a competitive advantage in the the form of salary cap relief for signing a high risk player.

They're not getting an advantage. They're getting a partial reduction in their disadvantage.

I'm not even sure they'll get anything back, but I wouldn't be surprised. And I wouldn't really care if any other team got some cap space back in a situation like this.

If they are not getting any salary cap advantage than I am fine with it. I just want a level playing field when it comes to the salary cap.

Well I think we're talking about getting some of their cap hit back or spread out or something. So if that qualifies to you, then well, whatever.

I don't really care about the cap thing. I think the Patriots should bare the cost, it was their mistake to give him the bonus.

I really hope, however, that they are not forced to give him the rest of his actual bonus money, even if it still does against the cap. That seems messed up. The competitive/cap is one thing, but funding a murder defense is...bleeeecccch. Given, it's already being paid for with their money, but at least that was before we knew about him.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

The Patriots have voided the remaining guarantees in Aaron Hernandez's contract.

The guarantees included $2.5 million in base salaries over the next two seasons, $1 million in workout bonuses, and the rest of his signing bonus. The Patriots face a stiff battle to avoid paying Hernandez his $3.25 million signing bonus payment that was due in March, but they seem set on making him fight for it. Hernandez's cap numbers will be $2.55 million in 2013 and $7.5 million in 2014. The 2013 number was previously scheduled to be over $5 million.

Related: Patriots

Source: NFL.com

how?

It means they refuse to pay and he has to take them to court if he wants the money.

Any reason to think the NFLPA would have an issue with this?

they have to go after the Pats, to just let it slide will lead to a slippery slope down the road.

Agreed. Considering the Mark Sanchez example above, where would you draw the line?

Murder. Murder would be an okay place to draw the line.

I highly doubt the NFLPA raises a finger for Hernandez.

First, he's not officially a murderer, yet.

Second, if a guy goes out and rapes a couple women, giving them HIV, is that not enough to void a contract? How about if he attempts to murder the president? Beats up some school children, and puts a couple in a coma?

Murder is the ultimate crime, but there are many others not too far behind.

Sure, those would qualify too. How often/likely do you think those things will happen?

People get way too liberal with the "slippery slope" idea. This is the definition of a special circumstance. If there are a couple of other special circumstances over the next 100 years, the league can assess them individually.

Fair enough. I understand your opinion. I would just rather things be black and white, than open to interpretation. (I'm a bit anal.)

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how the pats are equally at fault for him murdering that guy and getting locked up.

 

[ghostguy123]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how the pats are equally at fault for him murdering that guy and getting locked up.

Someone has seen "Minority Report" too many times.

 

[Phenix]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how the pats are equally at fault for him murdering that guy and getting locked up.

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

 

[PatsWillWin]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how the pats are equally at fault for him murdering that guy and getting locked up.

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

lol

 

[KellysHeroes]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how the pats are equally at fault for him murdering that guy and getting locked up.

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

Their pretty much not paying him because they don't want too

 

[johnnycakes]

Don't worry... the contract and payments will unravel exactly the way they are supposed to. Why? Because the lawyers are going to be wanting their money, and if they can recoup anything from the team, they will take appropriate action to do so.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.

might not matter to you, but again about your opinion.....

 

[ScottNorwood]

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.

might not matter to you, but again about your opinion.....

Maybe there's a pillage clause in the contract

 

[treat88]

guarantee is for skill or injury. Meaning, incarceration is not.covered by.the guarantee.

so can players for the Browns' just rip up their contracts since the owner is under federal investigation

What I find odd, is you just have to be accused of something to get your life ruined. In my opinion he did it, and will pay when evidence is presented, but that does not mean he does not deserve his day in court. He has not even presented his defense, and he is guilty.

Funny how many people are righteous Americans, yet when one basic principle of our nation is innocent until PROVEN guilty in the court of law, but no one ever gets that memo.

In my opinion, he should be owed every penny of his contract that is already earned (Signing, roster and workout bonuses), Patriots are just as at fault in the contract situation. They should have done due diligence.

I'm still waiting for the explanation of how the pats are equally at fault for him murdering that guy and getting locked up.

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

Their pretty much not paying him because they don't want too

Depends, I guess.

Even if a conviction hasn't come down yet, it's hard for me to think Hernandez isn't in breach of at least some portion of the included language of his contract.

The timing of his release, while obviously the right thing to do ethically, probably complicates the financial situation for the Pats.

I agree with those stating that there should be no special considerations extended to the Pats. The language of the CBA and Hernandez's contract have to govern the situation.

 

[Donnybrook]

Don't worry... the contract and payments will unravel exactly the way they are supposed to. Why? Because the lawyers are going to be wanting their money, and if they can recoup anything from the team, they will take appropriate action to do so.

Doubt it. Kraft's lawyers > Hernandez's

 

[KellysHeroes]

Don't worry... the contract and payments will unravel exactly the way they are supposed to. Why? Because the lawyers are going to be wanting their money, and if they can recoup anything from the team, they will take appropriate action to do so.

Doubt it. Kraft's lawyers > Hernandez's

really should be NFLPA lawyers, thats what their there for and thats why the players are paying them but maybe the Pats found some language in the contract or CBA that hasn't been made public yet.

 

[domvin]

Don't worry... the contract and payments will unravel exactly the way they are supposed to. Why? Because the lawyers are going to be wanting their money, and if they can recoup anything from the team, they will take appropriate action to do so.

Doubt it. Kraft's lawyers > Hernandez's

Maybe they can get his ring back

 

[Phenix]

Seriously? Thats what anyone is saying? A trolling response, but then again you have to consider the source.

They are equally responsible for his contract. Doesn't matter if you murder, rape or pillage. If you are owed money in contract, you get it. Just as much as he deserves to go to jail for murder, he deserves the money he is owed.

yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.

might not matter to you, but again about your opinion.....

Maybe there's a pillage clause in the contract

I hope, because if he did kill 3 people, it may fall under that category.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Don't worry... the contract and payments will unravel exactly the way they are supposed to. Why? Because the lawyers are going to be wanting their money, and if they can recoup anything from the team, they will take appropriate action to do so.

Doubt it. Kraft's lawyers > Hernandez's

really should be NFLPA lawyers, thats what their there for and thats why the players are paying them but maybe the Pats found some language in the contract or CBA that hasn't been made public yet.

It could be that the Pats will be on the hook for his salary, and that they know it, but want to put this up for PR purposes to demonstrate their distance from the situation.

 

[BigJim®]

According to PFT, "Bristol County District Attorney Sam Sutter said Friday that he believes all three men in the car with Lloyd are now in custody." PFT mentions the three men known to be in custody are Wallace, Hernandez, and Carlos Ortiz. I'm not understanding how they gathered info on the in-car conversations for the arraignment given the timing of the arrests. Not to mention that Wallace being charged only as after the fact accomplice seems to make his presence at that ride less likely. Anyone think the quote suggests a 4th cooperating person, who was in the car, is in custody?

You think there were five grown men, at least two of whom were football players, in a Nissan Altima?

No. Did you read the entire 4 lines of my post? I speculated Wallace being charged only with accessory/after suggests he was not. That leaves Hernandez, Ortiz and the victim in the car.

 

[Faust]

Geraldo, Limbaugh decry NFL's gang problem following Hernandez arrest

By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com



June 30, 2013 10:57 am ET

It's official, everyone has now weighed in on Aaron Hernandez, the former Patriots tight end charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Odin Lloyd. On Friday, Geraldo Rivera and Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves to share their thoughts on the matter.

Rivera, appearing on Fox News, denounced the what he thinks is the NFL's gang culture and "jungle ethos."

Seriously.

"(Hernandez's) got the gang tattoos all over him," Rivera began. "(The killing of Odin Lloyd) wasn't even in the heat of passion. It wasn't a beef over a girlfriend. What it was is, 'You have offended my macho pride. Now I'm going to, y'know, do this kind of, jungle ethos. I'm gonna to hunt you down; I'm gonna kill you. How dare you disrespect me?' I mean, so many youngsters from the inner city, from the ghetto go down that road where meaningless deaths just pile up, like in Chicago with this whole gang thing."

Rivera continued: "I don't know why the league who recruits these kids from the inner city, how they don't have minders, how the agents who are collecting 10 percent of $40 million ... Where are they in all of this? Why aren't they mentoring these young men who are fatherless, many of them -- Ray Lewis and all of the rest. Michael Vick. You can count them. There's a ton of them. They sign them because they're superb athletes and doing nothing to preserve their character and put them on the right road."

As PFT's Michael David Smith points out, Rivera doesn't have all his facts straight. Hernandez grew up in a middle-class subdivision in Bristol, Conn., and he wasn't technically "fatherless." Hernandez's father died unexpectedly when he was 16 and it reportedly had a big effect on him. The NFL also has programs in place to help players, starting with the rookie symposium.

Limbaugh then added his two cents.

"It's almost like he's saying that the NFL is a contest between the Crips and the Bloods," Limbaugh noted, referring to his 2007 comments in which -- you guessed it -- he compared the NFL to a contest between the Crips and Bloods. "It's almost like Geraldo is saying the gang culture has taken over the NFL. And he's probably not going to get in any trouble for that."

On Friday, officials were examining Hernandez's tattoos for symbols that might suggest possible gang affiliations. This prompted Limbaugh to observe: "This guy is a star player in the National Football League, a star player for the New England Patriots. This has the potential to blow the lid open on the NFL and gangs and the whole concept."

But no conversation about the NFL would be complete without a mention of Tim Tebow. Cue Rivera one more time:

“Ironically a college classmate at the University of Florida of Tim Tebow -- ironic, why? Because Tim Tebow, probably the most religious, straight-shooting ballplayer in the league. And Aaron Hernandez, a kid, an ex-hoodlum. You can take the kid out of the hood, you can't take the hood out of the kid. He was a Bristol Blood, he was a gang banger.”

 

[Phenix]

Geraldo, Limbaugh decry NFL's gang problem following Hernandez arrest

By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com

June 30, 2013 10:57 am ET

It's official, everyone has now weighed in on Aaron Hernandez, the former Patriots tight end charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Odin Lloyd. On Friday, Geraldo Rivera and Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves to share their thoughts on the matter.

Rivera, appearing on Fox News, denounced the what he thinks is the NFL's gang culture and "jungle ethos."

Seriously.

"(Hernandez's) got the gang tattoos all over him," Rivera began. "(The killing of Odin Lloyd) wasn't even in the heat of passion. It wasn't a beef over a girlfriend. What it was is, 'You have offended my macho pride. Now I'm going to, y'know, do this kind of, jungle ethos. I'm gonna to hunt you down; I'm gonna kill you. How dare you disrespect me?' I mean, so many youngsters from the inner city, from the ghetto go down that road where meaningless deaths just pile up, like in Chicago with this whole gang thing."

Rivera continued: "I don't know why the league who recruits these kids from the inner city, how they don't have minders, how the agents who are collecting 10 percent of $40 million ... Where are they in all of this? Why aren't they mentoring these young men who are fatherless, many of them -- Ray Lewis and all of the rest. Michael Vick. You can count them. There's a ton of them. They sign them because they're superb athletes and doing nothing to preserve their character and put them on the right road."

As PFT's Michael David Smith points out, Rivera doesn't have all his facts straight. Hernandez grew up in a middle-class subdivision in Bristol, Conn., and he wasn't technically "fatherless." Hernandez's father died unexpectedly when he was 16 and it reportedly had a big effect on him. The NFL also has programs in place to help players, starting with the rookie symposium.

Limbaugh then added his two cents.

"It's almost like he's saying that the NFL is a contest between the Crips and the Bloods," Limbaugh noted, referring to his 2007 comments in which -- you guessed it -- he compared the NFL to a contest between the Crips and Bloods. "It's almost like Geraldo is saying the gang culture has taken over the NFL. And he's probably not going to get in any trouble for that."

On Friday, officials were examining Hernandez's tattoos for symbols that might suggest possible gang affiliations. This prompted Limbaugh to observe: "This guy is a star player in the National Football League, a star player for the New England Patriots. This has the potential to blow the lid open on the NFL and gangs and the whole concept."

But no conversation about the NFL would be complete without a mention of Tim Tebow. Cue Rivera one more time:

“Ironically a college classmate at the University of Florida of Tim Tebow -- ironic, why? Because Tim Tebow, probably the most religious, straight-shooting ballplayer in the league. And Aaron Hernandez, a kid, an ex-hoodlum. You can take the kid out of the hood, you can't take the hood out of the kid. He was a Bristol Blood, he was a gang banger.”

I can't stand either of those slugs, and what do either of them know about football anyways, they obviously did not have their facts straight.

 

[PatsFanCT]

The Patriots have voided the remaining guarantees in Aaron Hernandez's contract.

The guarantees included $2.5 million in base salaries over the next two seasons, $1 million in workout bonuses, and the rest of his signing bonus. The Patriots face a stiff battle to avoid paying Hernandez his $3.25 million signing bonus payment that was due in March, but they seem set on making him fight for it. Hernandez's cap numbers will be $2.55 million in 2013 and $7.5 million in 2014. The 2013 number was previously scheduled to be over $5 million.

Related: Patriots

Source: NFL.com

how?

It means they refuse to pay and he has to take them to court if he wants the money.

Any reason to think the NFLPA would have an issue with this?

they have to go after the Pats, to just let it slide will lead to a slippery slope down the road.

Agreed. Considering the Mark Sanchez example above, where would you draw the line?

Murder. Murder would be an okay place to draw the line.

I highly doubt the NFLPA raises a finger for Hernandez.

First, he's not officially a murderer, yet.

Second, if a guy goes out and rapes a couple women, giving them HIV, is that not enough to void a contract? How about if he attempts to murder the president? Beats up some school children, and puts a couple in a coma?

Murder is the ultimate crime, but there are many others not too far behind.

Pretty sure you officially become a murderer when you, ya know, murder somebody. Not when the courts say you did.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think this what the Patriots was a afraid of

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/aaron-hernandez-jerseys-selling-big-ebay-130325540.html

 

[gandalas]

So AH goes back in front of the judge for another bail hearing today. Will prosecution be allowed to site this new double murder investigation as a reason to deny bail? Or is it mute, since no charges have been filed in that case.

You misspelled "Sight" and "Moote". Hope this helps.

Actually you misspelled sight as well. The way it is used in my sentence, it should be "cite"

Glass house people.

English language is dumb anyway, but that's for another thread.

I misspelled "Cite" and "Moot" on purpose, or was my not enough of a clue of that?

 

[gandalas]

So AH goes back in front of the judge for another bail hearing today. Will prosecution be allowed to site this new double murder investigation as a reason to deny bail? Or is it mute, since no charges have been filed in that case.

You misspelled "Sight" and "Moote". Hope this helps.

You misspelled "cite" and "moot." Hope this helps.

yeah. :whoosh:

 

[KCitons]

So AH goes back in front of the judge for another bail hearing today. Will prosecution be allowed to site this new double murder investigation as a reason to deny bail? Or is it mute, since no charges have been filed in that case.

You misspelled "Sight" and "Moote". Hope this helps.

Actually you misspelled sight as well. The way it is used in my sentence, it should be "cite"

Glass house people.

English language is dumb anyway, but that's for another thread.

I misspelled "Cite" and "Moot" on purpose, or was my not enough of a clue of that?

Actually, I didn't misspell anything. Both words are spelled correctly, just used incorrectly.

I thought the meant you were hitting on me.

 

[Steed]

I imagine a red old school patriots jersey with Hernandez' name on it is a hot commodity amongst the bloods right now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Nike-New-England-Patriots-Aaron-Hernandez-Elite-jersey-L-44-/111109203540?pt=US_Football_Fan_Shop&hash=item19de9fe654#ht_120wt_1141

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aaron-Hernandez-Throwback-On-Field-Reebok-Jersey-/181166904037?pt=US_Football_Fan_Shop&hash=item2a2e6392e5#ht_23wt_1399

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aaron-Hernandez-Mens-Size-48-M-Reebok-RED-Jersey-NEW-ENGLAND-PATRIOTS-NWT/350823024036?rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222002%26algo%3DSIC.FIT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D261%26meid%3D8722914232331860916%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D1088%26rk%3D3%26sd%3D181166904037%26#ht_146wt_1399

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000215752/article/aaron-hernandez-jerseys-finding-market-online?campaign=Twitter_atl

 

[Faust]

Ex-Patriot Aaron Hernandez kept separate from inmates in jailNFL.com

Former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez is being kept away from other inmates for the sake of his safety while he is in jail, Bristol County Sheriff Thomas M. Hodgson told NFL Network and NFL.com on Monday.

Hernandez is charged with first-degree murder as well as several weapons violations in the death of Odin Lloyd, a 27-year-old semi-pro football player from the Boston area. Hernandez is being held without bail at the Bristol County House of Correction and Jail in North Dartmouth, Mass., while awaiting a probable cause hearing on July 24.

The sheriff described the ways Hernandez has been kept separate from the other inmates. For the first five days, Hernandez was in the medical ward, where he stayed for 23 hours a day.

On Monday, authorities held a "classification review" and decided to move Hernandez to "phase two." That means he will spend most of his day in a small, single cell except for three hours: one in the shower area, one in the exercise yard and one in the common area/commissary.

No other inmates are allowed in the same area when Hernandez is there, Hodgson said, who added that Hernandez's "phase two" status will be reviewed again next week.

Also on Monday, a third man connected to the same investigation as Hernandez appeared in a Broward County (Fla.) courtroom, where he waived the right to contest his return to Massachusetts. Ernest "Bo Fish" Wallace, 41, will be charged with accessory to murder after the fact in Lloyd's death, the Bristol County District Attorney's Office said.

A third man, 27-year-old Carlos Ortiz, is charged with possessing a weapon without a license as part of the Lloyd case. Ortiz already has been returned to Massachusetts.

 

[mad sweeney]

Geraldo, Limbaugh decry NFL's gang problem following Hernandez arrest

By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com

June 30, 2013 10:57 am ET

It's official, everyone has now weighed in on Aaron Hernandez, the former Patriots tight end charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Odin Lloyd. On Friday, Geraldo Rivera and Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves to share their thoughts on the matter.

Rivera, appearing on Fox News, denounced the what he thinks is the NFL's gang culture and "jungle ethos."

Seriously.

"(Hernandez's) got the gang tattoos all over him," Rivera began. "(The killing of Odin Lloyd) wasn't even in the heat of passion. It wasn't a beef over a girlfriend. What it was is, 'You have offended my macho pride. Now I'm going to, y'know, do this kind of, jungle ethos. I'm gonna to hunt you down; I'm gonna kill you. How dare you disrespect me?' I mean, so many youngsters from the inner city, from the ghetto go down that road where meaningless deaths just pile up, like in Chicago with this whole gang thing."

Rivera continued: "I don't know why the league who recruits these kids from the inner city, how they don't have minders, how the agents who are collecting 10 percent of $40 million ... Where are they in all of this? Why aren't they mentoring these young men who are fatherless, many of them -- Ray Lewis and all of the rest. Michael Vick. You can count them. There's a ton of them. They sign them because they're superb athletes and doing nothing to preserve their character and put them on the right road."

As PFT's Michael David Smith points out, Rivera doesn't have all his facts straight. Hernandez grew up in a middle-class subdivision in Bristol, Conn., and he wasn't technically "fatherless." Hernandez's father died unexpectedly when he was 16 and it reportedly had a big effect on him. The NFL also has programs in place to help players, starting with the rookie symposium.

Limbaugh then added his two cents.

"It's almost like he's saying that the NFL is a contest between the Crips and the Bloods," Limbaugh noted, referring to his 2007 comments in which -- you guessed it -- he compared the NFL to a contest between the Crips and Bloods. "It's almost like Geraldo is saying the gang culture has taken over the NFL. And he's probably not going to get in any trouble for that."

On Friday, officials were examining Hernandez's tattoos for symbols that might suggest possible gang affiliations. This prompted Limbaugh to observe: "This guy is a star player in the National Football League, a star player for the New England Patriots. This has the potential to blow the lid open on the NFL and gangs and the whole concept."

But no conversation about the NFL would be complete without a mention of Tim Tebow. Cue Rivera one more time:

“Ironically a college classmate at the University of Florida of Tim Tebow -- ironic, why? Because Tim Tebow, probably the most religious, straight-shooting ballplayer in the league. And Aaron Hernandez, a kid, an ex-hoodlum. You can take the kid out of the hood, you can't take the hood out of the kid. He was a Bristol Blood, he was a gang banger.”

I can't stand either of those slugs, and what do either of them know about football anyways, they obviously did not have their facts straight.

You mean you don't trust a junkie with a grudge against the NFL?!

 

[pittstownkiller]

Geraldo, Limbaugh decry NFL's gang problem following Hernandez arrest

By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com

June 30, 2013 10:57 am ET

It's official, everyone has now weighed in on Aaron Hernandez, the former Patriots tight end charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of Odin Lloyd. On Friday, Geraldo Rivera and Rush Limbaugh took to the airwaves to share their thoughts on the matter.

Rivera, appearing on Fox News, denounced the what he thinks is the NFL's gang culture and "jungle ethos."

Seriously.

"(Hernandez's) got the gang tattoos all over him," Rivera began. "(The killing of Odin Lloyd) wasn't even in the heat of passion. It wasn't a beef over a girlfriend. What it was is, 'You have offended my macho pride. Now I'm going to, y'know, do this kind of, jungle ethos. I'm gonna to hunt you down; I'm gonna kill you. How dare you disrespect me?' I mean, so many youngsters from the inner city, from the ghetto go down that road where meaningless deaths just pile up, like in Chicago with this whole gang thing."

Rivera continued: "I don't know why the league who recruits these kids from the inner city, how they don't have minders, how the agents who are collecting 10 percent of $40 million ... Where are they in all of this? Why aren't they mentoring these young men who are fatherless, many of them -- Ray Lewis and all of the rest. Michael Vick. You can count them. There's a ton of them. They sign them because they're superb athletes and doing nothing to preserve their character and put them on the right road."

As PFT's Michael David Smith points out, Rivera doesn't have all his facts straight. Hernandez grew up in a middle-class subdivision in Bristol, Conn., and he wasn't technically "fatherless." Hernandez's father died unexpectedly when he was 16 and it reportedly had a big effect on him. The NFL also has programs in place to help players, starting with the rookie symposium.

Limbaugh then added his two cents.

"It's almost like he's saying that the NFL is a contest between the Crips and the Bloods," Limbaugh noted, referring to his 2007 comments in which -- you guessed it -- he compared the NFL to a contest between the Crips and Bloods. "It's almost like Geraldo is saying the gang culture has taken over the NFL. And he's probably not going to get in any trouble for that."

On Friday, officials were examining Hernandez's tattoos for symbols that might suggest possible gang affiliations. This prompted Limbaugh to observe: "This guy is a star player in the National Football League, a star player for the New England Patriots. This has the potential to blow the lid open on the NFL and gangs and the whole concept."

But no conversation about the NFL would be complete without a mention of Tim Tebow. Cue Rivera one more time:

Ironically a college classmate at the University of Florida of Tim Tebow -- ironic, why? Because Tim Tebow, probably the most religious, straight-shooting ballplayer in the league. And Aaron Hernandez, a kid, an ex-hoodlum. You can take the kid out of the hood, you can't take the hood out of the kid. He was a Bristol Blood, he was a gang banger.

I can't stand either of those slugs, and what do either of them know about football anyways, they obviously did not have their facts straight.

You mean you don't trust a junkie with a grudge against the NFL?!

In his defense, most of Limbaugh's comment were directed at Rivera's comments; his other comment seems to be a justified speculation.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Aaron Hernandez has told jail investigators that he has no gang ties.
The investigators have examined the tattoos on Hernandez and found nothing that would suggest gang affiliations. His alleged crime spree appears to have been a personal endeavor. Meanwhile, Hernandez remains segregated from the rest of the jail population for his own safety. "He's been very polite, very respectful," said Sheriff Thomas Hodgson. "He doesn't seem nervous, which is 
unusual for someone who's never been incarcerated before. He now has three hours out of his cell each day. That's an hour outside, by himself, an hour to shower and make phone calls, and another hour to see visitors."


Source: Boston Herald

 

[Faust]

Report: Hernandez ruptured man's eardrum in 2007, wasn't arrested

By John Breech | CBSSports.com

July 2, 2013 12:34 am ET

If prosecutors in Aaron Hernandez's murder case try to prove that Hernandez has exhibited a pattern of violent behavior throughout his adult life, they might start with an incident that took place in May of 2007 in Gainesville, Fla.

The Wall Street Journal has obtained a police report that alleges on May 4, 2007, a then-17-year-old Hernandez punched a man in the side of his head, rupturing the man's eardrum. According to the police report, Hernandez didn't dispute the fact that he punched the man.

The entire incident took place just months after Hernandez had enrolled at the University of Florida.

According to the police report, Hernandez was served two "alcoholic drinks" at a restaurant near the school's campus called The Swamp. When Hernandez finished the drinks, a male employee delivered Hernandez's bill to him, but Hernandez insisted that he hadn't ordered any drinks, so he refused to pay. The two men then got in a 'verbal altercation' that resulted in the employee escorting Hernandez out of the restaurant.

Once outside, Hernandez alleges that the employee got in his face, according to the police report. As the employee turned to walk away from Hernandez, Hernandez punched him in the side of the head.

The employee refused medical treatment at the scene of the altercation, however, doctors would discover the next day that his right eardrum had burst, according to the police report.

Despite the existence of a police report documenting the incident, Hernandez wasn't arrested. A Gainesville Police Department spokesman told the Wall Street Journal that the department recommended a charge of felony battery -- a crime punishable by up to five years in prison for adults in Florida.

Although the Wall Street Journal has a copy of the police report, they did note that it was "unclear how or whether the case was resolved."

With what Hernandez is currently facing, the 2007 incident doesn't even seem like a blip on the radar. The 23-year-old is behind bars awaiting trial on six charges stemming from the murder of Odin Lloyd.

Additionally, Hernandez is being investigated for a 2012 double-murder, and is being sued for allegedly shooting Alexander Bradley in the face.

 

[Faust]

Aaron Hernandez moves jail cells, no 'face-to-face' interaction

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer

July 2, 2013 10:16 am ET

There was some speculation on Monday that former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, currently held without bail in jail on a murder charge, could be moved into the Bristol County (Mass.) House of Corrections' general population. Hernandez has been moved, but not into full-blown gen pop.

Bristol County Sheriff Thomas Hodgson told the Herald News of Fall River (Mass.) that Hernandez was moved from a medical cell unit to his own prison cell, where he will await trial. However, he will not have any "face-to-face" contact with other inmates.

“We want to assess how he does in an area where he's going to be exposed to other people, though not face to face,” Hodgson said.

Hernandez will have a toilet, a bed, a desk and a sink in his personal cell; in his cell block, inmates are allowed to leave one at a time. So Hernandez will "interact" with other prisoners without actually interacting with them. The idea is to see how other inmates react before throwing the former NFL star into the fire.

"We want to see how [Hernandez] reacts to something like that because he's never been institutionalized before,” Hodgson said. “With somebody of his stature, we want to make sure we're methodically moving the process along so that we don't create a problem."

In a week, Hernandez will be up for a new classification. If things presumably go "well" with Hernandez in his current situation, he could be moved to general population.

 

[Sarnoff]

Police interviewed Tebow as witness to assault

 

[Faust]

Police ask public for help in Odin Lloyd investigation

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League Editor

While former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez remains in jail, authorities are again asking the public for help in the homicide investigation of Odin Lloyd.

Hernandez is charged with first-degree murder as well as several weapons violations in the death of Lloyd, a 27-year-old semi-pro football player from the Boston area. Hernandez is being held without bail.

The North Attleboro Police and the Massachusetts State Police Detectives released a statement to NFL.com looking for the public's help in locating the broken driver's side rearview mirror of a silver/grey 2013 Nissan Altima.

The request was one of the developments connected to Hernandez's case early this week:

» Bristol County Sheriff Thomas Hodgson told the Boston Herald that Hernandez denied to investigators that he was a member of a street gang.

» A second man connected to the same investigation as Hernandez appeared Monday in a Broward County (Fla.) courtroom, where he waived the right to contest his return to Massachusetts. Ernest "Bo Fish" Wallace, 41, will be charged with accessory to murder-after the fact in Lloyd's death, the Bristol County District Attorney's Office said.

A third man, 27-year-old Carlos Ortiz, is charged with possessing a weapon without a license as part of the Lloyd case. Ortiz already has been returned to Massachusetts.

» NFL.com confirmed the existence of a 2007 police report related from an incident Hernandez was involved in before attending college in Florida. The Gainesville police department report, first acquired by The Wall Street Journal, alleges that Hernandez punched a restaurant employee in the head, bursting his eardrum. Hernandez did not dispute the punch. Hernandez, who was 17 at the time, was not arrested for the incident.

The Orlando Sentinel notes that Tim Tebow tried to break up the fight, according to the police report.

Follow Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter @greggrosenthal.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm assuming tebow prayed on the situation back in '07 and apparently nothing happened.

ergo - proof there's no god

 

[Donnybrook]

Police interviewed Tebow as witness to assault

I have to ask, how old was Tebow at the time. What is the drinking age in Florida?

 

[KCitons]

Police interviewed Tebow as witness to assault

I was assuming ESPN reported this. They had to find a way to squeeze Tebow into every story they do.

 

[Faust]

Police interviewed Tebow as witness to assault

I have to ask, how old was Tebow at the time. What is the drinking age in Florida?

Tim Tebow present at Aaron Hernandez 2007 Gainesville bar fight

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer

July 2, 2013 1:26 pm ET

Late Monday evening, the Wall Street Journal reported that Aaron Hernandez, currently held in prison on a murder charge, was part of a bar brawl as a 17-year-old in Gainesville where he ruptured a man's ear drum. But the WSJ left out the juiciest part of the story: Tim Tebow was there too.

[*Waits for everyone to finish gasping in shock*]

Yes, according to police records, via the Orlando Sentinel, Tebow was present at the bar when Hernandez was involved in a bar fight.

“Tebow stated that he witnessed the dispute,” the officer wrote. "Tebow stated that he went over to try to help resolve the conflict."

Tebow apparently "urged Hernandez to leave peacefully" and tried to figure out how to get the bar bill paid.

And the current Patriots tight end was also present when the former Patriots tight end was interviewed with police a few hours later, assuring them that Urban Meyer was informed of the incident (I wonder if he'll want to talk about that?)

For whatever it's worth, Tebow would've been between 19 and 20 at the time of the incident -- he was born in August 1987, the incident occurred 20 years later. It's probably not worth much, though, since many bars allow patrons to enter if they're over 18.

That doesn't really help Hernandez though, since he was 17 at the time. Although it's certainly possible that the "bar" in question is a restaurant and doesn't require customers to be a certain age.

The real point is that Tebow was in a bar! as this Hernandez legal process unfolds, we are going to find out about every single time he even got within arm's length of John Law. It shouldn't reflect directly on him, nor should it give us the benefit of magical hindsight, nor should it affect the outcome of his trial.

It's just the grim reality of being famous, having a troubled past and facing murder charges in today's world.

 

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Aaron Hernandez was involved in a domestic incident with his fiancée a year ago that sent cops racing to his rental home in a beachside community in L.A., TMZ.comhttp://www.tmz.com/2013/07/02/aaron-hernandez-domestic-violence-hermosa-beach-patriots/ reports.

Law enforcement sources tell us Hernandez was renting a place in Hermosa Beach in June, 2012, when a neighbor called police to report a domestic disturbance -- "fighting" -- between the ex-Patriots star and his fiancée, Shayanna Jenkins inside his home.

We're told when police arrived, Jenkins said she was ok and didn't want to press charges so they left without making an arrest.

Law enforcement sources also said police came to the house several other times after neighbors made noise complaints. One source says Hernandez "acted like an a**hole" when cops responded.

Our sources say Hernandez still has the rental home. Law enforcement sources say so far police have not obtained a warrant to search the apartment.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

 

[stbugs]

Police interviewed Tebow as witness to assault

I have to ask, how old was Tebow at the time. What is the drinking age in Florida?

Tim Tebow present at Aaron Hernandez 2007 Gainesville bar fight

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer

July 2, 2013 1:26 pm ET

Late Monday evening, the Wall Street Journal reported that Aaron Hernandez, currently held in prison on a murder charge, was part of a bar brawl as a 17-year-old in Gainesville where he ruptured a man's ear drum. But the WSJ left out the juiciest part of the story: Tim Tebow was there too.

[*Waits for everyone to finish gasping in shock*]

Yes, according to police records, via the Orlando Sentinel, Tebow was present at the bar when Hernandez was involved in a bar fight.

“Tebow stated that he witnessed the dispute,” the officer wrote. "Tebow stated that he went over to try to help resolve the conflict."

Tebow apparently "urged Hernandez to leave peacefully" and tried to figure out how to get the bar bill paid.

And the current Patriots tight end was also present when the former Patriots tight end was interviewed with police a few hours later, assuring them that Urban Meyer was informed of the incident (I wonder if he'll want to talk about that?)

For whatever it's worth, Tebow would've been between 19 and 20 at the time of the incident -- he was born in August 1987, the incident occurred 20 years later. It's probably not worth much, though, since many bars allow patrons to enter if they're over 18.

That doesn't really help Hernandez though, since he was 17 at the time. Although it's certainly possible that the "bar" in question is a restaurant and doesn't require customers to be a certain age.

The real point is that Tebow was in a bar! as this Hernandez legal process unfolds, we are going to find out about every single time he even got within arm's length of John Law. It shouldn't reflect directly on him, nor should it give us the benefit of magical hindsight, nor should it affect the outcome of his trial.

It's just the grim reality of being famous, having a troubled past and facing murder charges in today's world.

It's funny how the "juiciest" part of the story has nothing to do with a guy who seemingly was on his way to murder, but that Tim Tebow was in a bar. Then, the article tells how Tebow tried to break up the altercation, tried to get the bar bill paid and may have been allowed in the bar even despite not being 21. So, Tim Tebow really seems like he is in fact a good guy and Hernandez was always trash. How again is Tebow being there juicy at all?

 

[stbugs]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

What? Tim Tebow went in a restaurant before he was 21. Damn you Tebow, you are such a hypocrite. I tell you, if Tebow hadn't tried to break up the fight or get the bar bill paid, maybe Hernandez gets in trouble and three people are alive today. AH is a victim of Tim Tebow, what a wretched person Tebow is.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

What? Tim Tebow went in a restaurant before he was 21. Damn you Tebow, you are such a hypocrite. I tell you, if Tebow hadn't tried to break up the fight or get the bar bill paid, maybe Hernandez gets in trouble and three people are alive today. AH is a victim of Tim Tebow, what a wretched person Tebow is.

Is it just me, or are Tebow apologists HILARIOUS?

 

[msudaisy26]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

What? Tim Tebow went in a restaurant before he was 21. Damn you Tebow, you are such a hypocrite. I tell you, if Tebow hadn't tried to break up the fight or get the bar bill paid, maybe Hernandez gets in trouble and three people are alive today. AH is a victim of Tim Tebow, what a wretched person Tebow is.

Is it just me, or are Tebow apologists HILARIOUS?

Not nearly as bad as the Tebow haters, they will find any reason to find fault with the guy. I am neither a fan or hater of Tebow.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

What? Tim Tebow went in a restaurant before he was 21. Damn you Tebow, you are such a hypocrite. I tell you, if Tebow hadn't tried to break up the fight or get the bar bill paid, maybe Hernandez gets in trouble and three people are alive today. AH is a victim of Tim Tebow, what a wretched person Tebow is.

Is it just me, or are Tebow apologists HILARIOUS?

Apologists? What are they apologizing for?

 

[SmoovySmoov]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

What? Tim Tebow went in a restaurant before he was 21. Damn you Tebow, you are such a hypocrite. I tell you, if Tebow hadn't tried to break up the fight or get the bar bill paid, maybe Hernandez gets in trouble and three people are alive today. AH is a victim of Tim Tebow, what a wretched person Tebow is.

Is it just me, or are Tebow apologists HILARIOUS?

Apologists? What are they apologizing for?

Lack of QBing ability?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I can say I was there the day this turned into a tebow thread

edit title plz

hernandez charged with murder, tebow patronizes restaurant

 

[stbugs]

The establishment in the busted eardrum story is "The Swamp" which is a restaurant.

What? Tim Tebow went in a restaurant before he was 21. Damn you Tebow, you are such a hypocrite. I tell you, if Tebow hadn't tried to break up the fight or get the bar bill paid, maybe Hernandez gets in trouble and three people are alive today. AH is a victim of Tim Tebow, what a wretched person Tebow is.

Is it just me, or are Tebow apologists HILARIOUS?

Apologists? What are they apologizing for?

Lack of QBing ability?

Yeah, I don't love Tebow and I am not apologizing for him. That said, what would an apologist even be apologizing for? Did you read that ridiculous article? As Plasma stated, the place is a restaurant, so somehow Tebow being in a restaurant with a teamate trying to break up a fight and get a bill paid that the teamate refused to pay is a juicy story, juicier than that teamate becoming a murderer? I don't care about Tebow, but geez, trying to dig on him because he is Tebow when he was trying to do the right thing is stupid.

 

[stbugs]

I can say I was there the day this turned into a tebow thread

edit title plz

hernandez charged with murder, tebow patronizes restaurant