David Yudkin
Footballguy
I would expect Hernandez would be in the lineup against the Jets in Week 5, as that is a game where they will actually need him to make an impact.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Hernandez sprained MCL (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter ppierce
- Start date
Detroit Revival
Footballguy
Bump Ocho!
bulger2holt
Footballguy
who are you Hernandez owners tagetting for a backup ? I just added Fred Davis
War Eagle
Footballguy
I was lucky enough to grab Keller
chlomaddad
Footballguy
I am targeting Davis to replace Hernandez, however I am worried that AH may not be healed in time for Fred's bye week (week 5). I am considering trading for Gronk.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Not sure if it's just regurgitation of the Curran speculation, but on NFL Network, Albert Breer just said the MCL is worse than originally thought. Could miss more than a month....
bulger2holt
Footballguy
2 years ago I lost Daniels, last year Finley and now Hernandez. That's just plain ridiculous. 3 monster ppr TE's in a row.
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
Kendrick's for now. Lost my chance at Davis last week. Might trade for Finley since I am deep at WR.
Evan Moore, Chandler,etc are available but in the same tier as Kendrick's without the upside that he figures it all out.
Evan Moore, Chandler,etc are available but in the same tier as Kendrick's without the upside that he figures it all out.
texansfan80
Footballguy
Everyone acts as if Finley is proven. Last year he had two good games for me, I drafted him bc of his hype. I'm not denying his skills but so far this year:3 rec 53 yds5 rec 68 ydsWhen is he going to be god-like like everyone has made him out to be since 2009? He's been very average thus far
Wolfpack26
Footballguy
Those numbers are pretty darn good for a TE. You can't bank on touchdowns every week. TD are unpredictable. Main point being he is involved in a top flight offense and the yards are there... the TD's will come.'texansfan80 said:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Here is where this is at, apparently, as it was explained to me. Basiaclly, it's clear as mud.
It seems like there are basically 3 categories for MCL injuries:
Mild sprain (out 1-2 weeks)
More serious sprain/minor tear (out 2-3 weeks)
More serious tear (out 4-6 weeks)
When Hernandez got hurt and it was announced he had an MCL sprain, the "given" was that he would be out at a minimum 1-2 weeks. That's what was reported and circulated to start.
Based on the outline I just mentioned, it was always possible that Hernandez could be out longer if his injury was more serious. Curran pointed out that he *COULD* be out 4-6 weeks depending what level injury Hernandez had and what the results of an MRI showed.
Hernandez DID have that MRI. The results of which appear to be a closely guarded state secret. I do not believe the results of the MRI are known to anyone outside the inner circle. Curran and Breer seem to think that the results of the MRI were potentially worse than the initial best case outcome that would have meant 1-2 weeks for Hernandez.
Unfortunatley, we are left with not much more than guess work and a range of 1-6 weeks. At this point, I would think we are looking at something somewhere in the middle, but I do not believe there is an exact answer at the moment.
That's sadly the best I can tell people, as no one seems to have a better answer and the Pats as always aren't offering up information.
It seems like there are basically 3 categories for MCL injuries:
Mild sprain (out 1-2 weeks)
More serious sprain/minor tear (out 2-3 weeks)
More serious tear (out 4-6 weeks)
When Hernandez got hurt and it was announced he had an MCL sprain, the "given" was that he would be out at a minimum 1-2 weeks. That's what was reported and circulated to start.
Based on the outline I just mentioned, it was always possible that Hernandez could be out longer if his injury was more serious. Curran pointed out that he *COULD* be out 4-6 weeks depending what level injury Hernandez had and what the results of an MRI showed.
Hernandez DID have that MRI. The results of which appear to be a closely guarded state secret. I do not believe the results of the MRI are known to anyone outside the inner circle. Curran and Breer seem to think that the results of the MRI were potentially worse than the initial best case outcome that would have meant 1-2 weeks for Hernandez.
Unfortunatley, we are left with not much more than guess work and a range of 1-6 weeks. At this point, I would think we are looking at something somewhere in the middle, but I do not believe there is an exact answer at the moment.
That's sadly the best I can tell people, as no one seems to have a better answer and the Pats as always aren't offering up information.
Sir Psycho
Footballguy
Reepicheep
Footballguy
'texansfan80 said:
So he is on pace for 968 yards, which would rank as the #37 best individual season by a tight end all time. If I counted it correctly, a total of 17 tight ends have had one or more seasons like this in the history of the NFL. In the years 2000,2001,2002,2003,2006,2008, and 2010, one or zero tight ends had this many yards or more.Okay, sorry to add to the hijack, but re-read the earlier post. He said "When is he going to be god-like like everyone has mad him out to be?"Finley has gotten INSANE hype over the last 3 years, and no matter how you spin it, he has not lived up to it. Sure, he is a freak, physical specimen, with talent and potential galore. But, he has not lived up to the hype.'texansfan80 said:
Look at it this way, you not that he's on pace for 968 yards, a number than only 17 tight ends have reached. Well, Jason Witten has reached that number 5 of his 8 seasons, and he doesn't get the hype Finley does. According to your logic, he should.
Finley has monster potential, but no matter how you spin it, he hasn't lived up to the hype.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Thanks for this and all info David.I saw this game on the schedule and figured it was what Hernandez would aim at. It has become a very good rivalry and NE will want/need all of their weapons. We'll know if he doesn't play in that one, it was more than a mild sprain.'David Yudkin said:
Stat lines are what wins fantasy football games.
dagwood
Footballguy
True dat but if you are trying to predict who will do well in the future and who will do poorly in the future, you are light years ahead of the competition that just watch stat lines if you actually watch the games.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I think Finley has been and will be fine, but to put things into a little bit more context, in 2011 he currently ranks 8th in receiving yards by a TE and there are 11 guys on pace for at least 850 receiving yards.The point being, people that took Finley as early as they did in redraft leagues are expecting more, as he was billed as being ahead of most other TEs. So far that has not been the case. From a fantasy perspective, he ranks as the #15 TE in 0 PPR leagues. That CERTAINLY is not where people that drafted him early expected him to be.I doubt some of the players that rank ahead of him will stay there (Scott Chandler, Jeff King, Evan Moore, and Ed Dickson to name a few), so Finley should be passing some folks as the year progresses. But for now, people have a right to grumble.'texansfan80 said:
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
From Rotoworld... Adds another wrinkle to the story. At this point is it truly confirmed that he does have a sprained MCL? He probably does but has anyone on the Patriots confirmed the injury at all or is it still just the inside reports from the Globe and Tom Curran? Hopefully this is good news and he is only out a week or two. Just have to wait for the injury report to come out I guess.
RavenLunatic
Footballguy
Sound pretty minor if he is moving around easily but you never know. I would try to acquire him from a nervous owner if you don't have him.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Valid point, but it has only been two weeks of the season. Finley will rip off some monster games this season, and the debate will be put to rest pretty quickly.I think Finley has been and will be fine, but to put things into a little bit more context, in 2011 he currently ranks 8th in receiving yards by a TE and there are 11 guys on pace for at least 850 receiving yards.The point being, people that took Finley as early as they did in redraft leagues are expecting more, as he was billed as being ahead of most other TEs. So far that has not been the case. From a fantasy perspective, he ranks as the #15 TE in 0 PPR leagues. That CERTAINLY is not where people that drafted him early expected him to be.I doubt some of the players that rank ahead of him will stay there (Scott Chandler, Jeff King, Evan Moore, and Ed Dickson to name a few), so Finley should be passing some folks as the year progresses. But for now, people have a right to grumble.'texansfan80 said:
I apologize for beating a dead horse, but what are you basing this off of, and please don't say talent or potential? There are countless guys with talent and potential, who don't "rip off some monster games," so how is it that you can say this so confidently?
Is it his ZERO career games with 20+ FF points (FBG scoring)?
Is it his THREE career games with 15+ FF points?
Because for you (and countless other posters) to so easily assume that Finley will "rip off some monster games," there has to be some basis, right?
Last edited by a moderator:
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Watching him play. He has been very close to some big games recently. It's just a matter of time until he actually has them. So not basing it on anything other than my opinion, but I am betting pretty heavily on it.'Bayhawks said:
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Mike Reiss again gave his opinion today that he thought Hernandez would only be out 1-2 weeks.
No real injury update here but ESPN (via an email I received after I complained about their designation of Hernandez upgrade from OUT to Doubtful; email below) claims that the Patriots have moved him to "Active" status. Probably just BB's way of working the injury system and hiding the injury status.
===
Dear steven,
Thank you for contacting us.
After reviewing Aaron Hernandez's status, it appears as though that New England reactivated him and moved him to "Active" status. This is why he no longer classifies for IR status. I apologize for any confusion.
For live assistance with any other issue, please call Customer Care at 1-888-549-3776 (ESPN) between 8:00 a.m. and 1:00 a.m. EST.
Regards,
Nicholas
ESPN.com Customer Care
===
Dear steven,
Thank you for contacting us.
After reviewing Aaron Hernandez's status, it appears as though that New England reactivated him and moved him to "Active" status. This is why he no longer classifies for IR status. I apologize for any confusion.
For live assistance with any other issue, please call Customer Care at 1-888-549-3776 (ESPN) between 8:00 a.m. and 1:00 a.m. EST.
Regards,
Nicholas
ESPN.com Customer Care
I've watched him play, too. He is a great talent, but the FACT is that he hasn't put up any "monster" games, EVER. He's put up some good games, and some very good games, but he has NEVER put up any games that make you go "WOW!" But people keep making matter-of-fact statements like he does so on a regular basis. Eventually, the facts have to carry the day over opinion, the "eye test," talent, potential, etc.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Dang, came here for Hernandez info & I walked into a Finley discussion.. Anywho, I'd be surprised to see the topic of this thread play before the NYJ game. Gotta think BB wants his two-headed TE monster for that one
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Pats TE Hernandez targeting a Week 5 return
According to Albert Breer of NFL Network, Aaron Hernandez "believes" he'll only miss two games with his sprained MCL.
According to Albert Breer of NFL Network, Aaron Hernandez "believes" he'll only miss two games with his sprained MCL.
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
This is good to hear.
Mr Rodgers neighborhood
Footballguy
To add to the Finley hijacking...
As someone who's watched every snap he's played in the NFL, I can tell you that he has the ability to be the best fantasy TE in the league. But for the same reason that Greg Jennings is only a WR2, Finley won't be a top 2-3 TE in the league. Aaron Rodgers so far this year isn't locking in on anyone. Jennings, Nelson, Finley, Driver, Jones, Cobb and then the running backs. He won't get you beat, and there will be some weeks where he can go for 100-1. But because of the loaded offense around him, and not having the offense ran through him I think his ceiling isn't as high as the insanity of Gronk-Hernandez, Gates or Witten. Those guys are leaned upon more and are going to get more targets.
As someone who's watched every snap he's played in the NFL, I can tell you that he has the ability to be the best fantasy TE in the league. But for the same reason that Greg Jennings is only a WR2, Finley won't be a top 2-3 TE in the league. Aaron Rodgers so far this year isn't locking in on anyone. Jennings, Nelson, Finley, Driver, Jones, Cobb and then the running backs. He won't get you beat, and there will be some weeks where he can go for 100-1. But because of the loaded offense around him, and not having the offense ran through him I think his ceiling isn't as high as the insanity of Gronk-Hernandez, Gates or Witten. Those guys are leaned upon more and are going to get more targets.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Tell ESPN so I can add him to my IR roster. THis is a buncha
and robbing me of a roster spot.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Good analysis on this by doc bramel on the audible
rabidfireweasel
Footballguy
I am not sure I agree with this analysis. The patriots haven't featured lots of power running, except when then went up against San Diego. They have used Woodhead quite a bit in 2 TE sets (which they have run most of the time). The reason is, they have incredible flexibility when they go no huddle with two TE's with Woodhead. If you go base, they can split out Woodhead wide for a mismatch. If you go nickel, they can run or pass- as you probably have one defender that doesn't match up well with Welker, Branch, Woodhead, Gronk or Hernandez. If you go dime, they will hammer it away running at you, even with Woodhead.I think we will see a little of Edelman in the backfield this week, to give some different looks. I also wouldn't be surprised to see an extra series or two of Ridley this week. He catches well enough and can beat up a smaller D.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Play Solder at TE. Then they have plenty of bulk ar TE for power running.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
That didn't take long
StinkyCheeseman
Footballguy
Hindsight is a wonderful thing ... maybe Aaron Rodgers was reading this forum and sought to atone in week 3
That was a great game, and I posted several times that Finley was talented and full of potential; this game his (FF) production lived up to that talent/potential.That being said, if you (or other posters) say "Finley is a stud," "bump Finley," "Finley is the greatest TE ever," "Finley is going to have some monster games," etc for TWO SOLID YEARS, eventually you're going to be right. What's the saying, "Even a broken watch is right twice a day?"
StinkyCheeseman
Footballguy
Anyone seen any further updates on his condition ? Anyone see him standing sideline during the game at least ?
I didn't see him on the sidelines during the game. That doesn't mean he wasn't there, but I didn't see him. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't make the trip, however. There was never a possibility that he would make the game, and since he's a fairly tall guy, I would have to imagine that traveling by plane, bus, train (however they got to buffalo) would be uncomfortable with a bad knee.I don't expect there will be a whole lot of information about his injury until it gets closer to his return date. The Pats are fairly tight-lipped when it comes to injury. The first "news" will probably come when he starts running/practicing again.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
He's 6'1". That's fairly tall in some circles but not in professional sports.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Who's condition, can you clarify? I can no longer tell if this thread is about Hernandez or Finley.
I wasn't talking about in comparison to other athletes. I was referring to the fact that with a MCL injury, and needing to stretch/elevate his knee, being tall "in some circles" would make traveling uncomfortable, therefore it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't on the sidelines, as a means of eliminating that discomfort.
You do realize that he was on pace for 1200 yards last year before he got hurt right? And then didn't play the next 11 games? So one of those "SOLID YEARS" he put up two 100 yard games in 4. The playoff game before that he put up 160 yards. And then the previous season, he put up 4 games straight of at least 70 yards in weeks 13-16, and in week 17 he scored in the meaningless game before resting the rest of the game. So basically, you're totally wrong. Unless you want to hold games against him that he didn't play in, and even then, he still had done plenty for people to realize exactly how much of a monster he is, and it will only show this year, as we started seeing this past week.
Last edited by a moderator:
captain_amazing
Footballguy
Nothing has really changed, thus far. Stay tuned to tomorrow's injury report, though. It'll be interesting to see if he practices and how much. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-patriots-tes-week-4-status-and-fantasy-value
Oh, and he didn't travel with the team to Buffalo for last Sunday's game. But injured players (at least injured Pats players) rarely do.
