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Hillary vs __________(insert name here) 2016: Hillary Loses badly (1 Viewer)

tommyboy

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just putting it out there, my early 2016 presidential election forecast is Hillary gets whipped by __________________()

i'm willing to bet on this.

 
I hope you don't think Rubio or Cruz can beat her.

Only one within ten points of her in the polls right now is Christie, and the GOP would never have that chronically tardy, centrist, fat bully as their candidate.

 
You realize that she has an electoral floor of approximately 257 EVs yes?

Anyways, this should be fun. I'll be sure to bump in 3 years

 
He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.

 
Trey said:
You realize that she has an electoral floor of approximately 257 EVs yes?

Anyways, this should be fun. I'll be sure to bump in 3 years
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Don't go bringing math and facts into this!

It's this kind of blindness to demographic reality that gave us such wonderful moments as the 2012 Election Night meltdown of Karl Rove on Fox News insisting that the election couldn't be called for Obama.

 
timschochet said:
He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.
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Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
timschochet said:
He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.
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Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.
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Definitely you are the right person to speak for progressives.

 
The thought of Hillary or anyone that could get the Republican nomination these days in the White House is too depressing to contemplate

 
squistion said:
Grace Under Pressure said:
timschochet said:
He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.
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Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.
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Definitely you are the right person to speak for progressives.
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The whole post was a ploy to work "toots" into a sentence.

 
It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.

 
She really is just butt ugly these days. She never was much to look at, but now, just horrifying even for an old lady. Unelectable IMO. I think a woman can be president but she'll need to be right in that sweet spot between hot and matronly.

 
Statorama said:
It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.
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they would win 95% of the Cuban vote

 
Statorama said:
It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.
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Interesting? More like impossible.

Cruz won't get more than 30% of the Hispanic vote. Rubio might do slightly better, especially in Florida. But even these numbers might be optimistic if the GOP continues to block immigration reform.

 
Statorama said:
It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.
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I don't think either is polling within 20 points of Hillary among Hispanic voters.

 
timschochet said:
Statorama said:
It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.
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Interesting? More like impossible.

Cruz won't get more than 30% of the Hispanic vote. Rubio might do slightly better, especially in Florida. But even these numbers might be optimistic if the GOP continues to block immigration reform.
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I think even 30% is overly optimistic. From a nationaljournal.com piece entitled "What the Media Got Wrong About Ted Cruz":

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-the-media-got-wrong-about-ted-cruz-20131022

4) Ted Cruz would help the GOP win Hispanic voters.

It was in virtually every piece about Ted Cruz—the assertion that his Cuban heritage would help lure Hispanic voters to the party. But Cruz's positions are anathema to the positions held by a majority of Hispanic voters. In a Pew poll of Latino voters, 89 percent supported the Obama administration's decision to let the children of undocumented immigrants stay in the country; Cruz said in 2012 that if Romney was elected he should seek to overturn it. Sixty-one percent of them approve of the health care law Cruz crusaded against. While 80 percent said the undocumented should be offered a chance to stay in the country if they haven't broken any laws, Cruz was doing his best to quash the Senate's immigration bill. As The Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin has pointed out, Cruz overstated his performance among Hispanic voters in his 2012 Senate race and was bested in the demographic by his underfunded Democratic opponent.

"Cruz and others opposed to citizenship for illegal immigrants are trying to convince fellow Republicans that they will do fine with Hispanics by voting against immigration reform. There is a mound of data from polling, focus groups and election results that says anti-immigration reform rhetoric and votes matter quite a lot, and not only with Hispanics. If Cruz's argument that all this data is wrong rests on an inaccurate assertion about his own experience, then Republicans should be wary," Rubin wrote.
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McGarnicle said:
She really is just butt ugly these days. She never was much to look at, but now, just horrifying even for an old lady. Unelectable IMO. I think a woman can be president but she'll need to be right in that sweet spot between hot and matronly.
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Yeah, she is not aging well. Remember how the Democrats played the "he could die at any time, and if so, do you really want Palin as the president?" card on McCain in '08? Republicans could easily do the same with Hillary in '16, although you'd have every liberal feminist crying about sexism and all of that horse ####.

All of that aside, I still think Hillary is the heavy favorite to win in '16. Even if Obama continues to be a disaster, to many, electing Hillary will be like electing Slick Willie again, and after 16 years of crappy presidential years, folks will love the "idea" of electing someone who can bring back the feel good times of the 90s, regardless of how realistic that is.

 
Any amount of money TommyBoy, the one thing I am relieved about in 2015/2016 is that I don't have to wonder who is going to be the next President. She is tough as nails, appeals to both progressive and conservatives, she has decades of experience including being the 1st Lady already for 8 years, Senator in New York for 8 years I believe, 4 more as Secretary of State, she has foreign alliances built up over the past 2-3 decades, there isn't a person on either side who will bring as much experience, passion, and dedication as she will. I really think you are in here fishing. The only people that are gonna tune in during 2016 will be the Fox Newsies praying they can get someone in there but I expect Clinton to win by a good margin if not more. It won't be about 3 or 4 counties in Ohio.

 
McGarnicle said:
She really is just butt ugly these days. She never was much to look at, but now, just horrifying even for an old lady. Unelectable IMO. I think a woman can be president but she'll need to be right in that sweet spot between hot and matronly.
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:lol:

 
Ghost Rider said:
McGarnicle said:
She really is just butt ugly these days. She never was much to look at, but now, just horrifying even for an old lady. Unelectable IMO. I think a woman can be president but she'll need to be right in that sweet spot between hot and matronly.
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Yeah, she is not aging well. Remember how the Democrats played the "he could die at any time, and if so, do you really want Palin as the president?" card on McCain in '08? Republicans could easily do the same with Hillary in '16, although you'd have every liberal feminist crying about sexism and all of that horse ####.
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:goodposting: They were shocked anybody would support old Grandpa McCain. But it's Grandma Hillary's time now, again....

 
Widbil83 said:
Ghost Rider said:
McGarnicle said:
She really is just butt ugly these days. She never was much to look at, but now, just horrifying even for an old lady. Unelectable IMO. I think a woman can be president but she'll need to be right in that sweet spot between hot and matronly.
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Yeah, she is not aging well. Remember how the Democrats played the "he could die at any time, and if so, do you really want Palin as the president?" card on McCain in '08? Republicans could easily do the same with Hillary in '16, although you'd have every liberal feminist crying about sexism and all of that horse ####.
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:goodposting: They were shocked anybody would support old Grandpa McCain. But it's Grandma Hillary's time now, again....
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No.

Id easily support a (I) Bernie Sanders run for POTUS. But he is 72 and looks every bit of it. And if his VP mate was John Edwards or Jesse Jackson Jr his age would be on the table (note* he didnt have cancer or heart concerns and such like McCain) and rightfully so.

Hillary meanwhile is a full 6 years younger then Sanders or what McCain was. And women age better with a expectancy of over 80 years of age.

While men expectancy falls where McCain and Sanders (74) would be during their terms. Not so with Hillary.

 
I like the Republicans chances if the candidate makes the following campaign promises:

Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr

Free Republicars for those that need them

Wide open border with full Replublibenefits

Republicansecurity eligibility @55

$500 Walmart gift card if you vote straight Republican ticket.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Widbil83 said:
Ghost Rider said:
McGarnicle said:
She really is just butt ugly these days. She never was much to look at, but now, just horrifying even for an old lady. Unelectable IMO. I think a woman can be president but she'll need to be right in that sweet spot between hot and matronly.
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Yeah, she is not aging well. Remember how the Democrats played the "he could die at any time, and if so, do you really want Palin as the president?" card on McCain in '08? Republicans could easily do the same with Hillary in '16, although you'd have every liberal feminist crying about sexism and all of that horse ####.
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:goodposting: They were shocked anybody would support old Grandpa McCain. But it's Grandma Hillary's time now, again....
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No.

Id easily support a (I) Bernie Sanders run for POTUS. But he is 72 and looks every bit of it. And if his VP mate was John Edwards or Jesse Jackson Jr his age would be on the table (note* he didnt have cancer or heart concerns and such like McCain) and rightfully so.

Hillary meanwhile is a full 6 years younger then Sanders or what McCain was. And women age better with a expectancy of over 80 years of age.

While men expectancy falls where McCain and Sanders (74) would be during their terms. Not so with Hillary.
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Love the shtick, especially about Hillary's life expectancy. We need a FBG poll about this ASAP!
 
America has lived the progressive dream for eight years and it has got us nowhere. As with every election It's time for a change.

 
tommyboy said:
just putting it out there, my early 2016 presidential election forecast is Hillary gets whipped by __________________()

i'm willing to bet on this.
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I'm not sure I get this. So I can fill that blank with any name and you'll bet on that person against Hillary? Alright, Ron Jeremy. How much we betting?

 
Hillary has everyone scared, and I would support her if she ends up as the Democratic nominee. But she's a pretty lousy candidate. People seem to keep forgetting that she isn't very good at campaign stuff like giving speeches and debating and seeming like an authentic person.

 
This is an attempt at self-deprecating humor by Tommy, isn't it? Surely he doesn't expect anyone to take him seriously after the 2012 prediction debacle.

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I hope you don't think Rubio or Cruz can beat her.

Only one within ten points of her in the polls right now is Christie, and the GOP would never have that chronically tardy, centrist, fat bully as their candidate.
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I think that is exactly what they are looking for :shrug: . But as MOP stated, very few people in politics, let alone ones willing/realistically able to run, have a resume that comes close to Hillary's. One of the knocks on Obama has been his lack of experience in foreign affairs (and as it turns out, rightfully so). I don't see how the GOP can complain about it on one end, and then toss someone out there without that experience (which it likely will).

 
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