Hillary vs __________(insert name here) 2016: Hillary Loses badly (1 Viewer)

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

95% Cruz?

Obama's only half black yet gets all the black votes.

Gore got 91% of the black vote, Kerry got 84%.

It seems, that from some strange reason, the Republican message wasn't really resonating with African-American voters, even before Obama's candidacy.

How'd Clinton do?

Republican rebranding to appeal to minority voters is the best ongoing political schtick in the US. It's like the swallows returning to Capistrano, except every four years.

Turns out that it's hard to undo your brand when you've spent 45 years building your campaigns around dog-whistle (and train-whistle) attacks on 40% of the electorate, and half your elected officials still haven't gotten the memo to ixnay the atehay.

 

[NCCommish]

He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.

Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.

Definitely you are the right person to speak for progressives.

Well first off Progressives should stop being ####### and take back Liberal. And as a Liberal I agree with what he said here. We need another Bush part 5 like we need a plague. And Bush part 5 is what Hillary would be. She is not Liberal she is really more right of center. Personally done with the Clintons in every way, shape and form. That goes double for all the Third Way dooshs they foisted off on us. Hate their politics. Hate their retreads running the current admin. Definitely looking for a Liberal candidate to support.

 

[danielmclark]

He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.

Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.

We'll remember you said that when the GOP nominates yet another old white guy.

 

[roadkill1292]

He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.

Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.

We'll remember you said that when the GOP nominates yet another old white guy.

I'm prejudiced against older candidates for the same reason GUP has touched on -- I think the pace of change is accelerating and older candidates by and large aren't equipped mentally to deal with the speed at which problems arise and fall. (I think this of our governmental structure overall but that's a topic for another day) But the Republicans sure haven't indicated in recent decades that they're able to deal with the swiftness of change in the modern world -- hell, everything they do is a backlash against change.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

The thought of Hillary or anyone that could get the Republican nomination these days in the White House is too depressing to contemplate

I am here.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Any amount of money TommyBoy, the one thing I am relieved about in 2015/2016 is that I don't have to wonder who is going to be the next President. She is tough as nails, appeals to both progressive and conservatives, she has decades of experience including being the 1st Lady already for 8 years, Senator in New York for 8 years I believe, 4 more as Secretary of State, she has foreign alliances built up over the past 2-3 decades, there isn't a person on either side who will bring as much experience, passion, and dedication as she will. I really think you are in here fishing. The only people that are gonna tune in during 2016 will be the Fox Newsies praying they can get someone in there but I expect Clinton to win by a good margin if not more. It won't be about 3 or 4 counties in Ohio.

^^^ This

With Bill and Barry helping on her campaign how could she lose? Who is the RNC going to drag out Bush/Bush II/Cruz/TeaParty Nut/Palin

Please Lord let the RNC nominate one of those Tea Party Loons.

 

[Widbil83]

Hillary won't even get the Democrat nomination.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Hillary won't even get the Democrat nomination.

Warren .

 

[timschochet]

####### hippies.

 

[Fennis]

Hillary won't even get the Democrat nomination.

been saying this for months

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Hillary has everyone scared, and I would support her if she ends up as the Democratic nominee. But she's a pretty lousy candidate. People seem to keep forgetting that she isn't very good at campaign stuff like giving speeches and debating and seeming like an authentic person.

True.

I'm not convinced an elderly Hillary wins the nomination. I'm not even convinced she runs.

 

[Fennis]

Hillary has everyone scared, and I would support her if she ends up as the Democratic nominee. But she's a pretty lousy candidate. People seem to keep forgetting that she isn't very good at campaign stuff like giving speeches and debating and seeming like an authentic person.

True.

I'm not convinced an elderly Hillary wins the nomination. I'm not even convinced she runs.

been saying this for months

 

[Trey]

If she runs (and I don't see how you get this close to your "dream" only to walk away), the nomination is certainly hers. The big $ donors in the Democratic Party are already lined up with checkbooks in hand. There is no Obama candidate who can splinter this group. She'll face token opposition but no one with serious designs on the White House will enter the fray.

Now the general is a different ball game. But win or lose there, no chance she gets blown out.

 

[timschochet]

If she runs she wins. The nomination then the election. If Hillary decides to run, it will be the most predictable final result since 1984.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

If she runs she wins. The nomination then the election. If Hillary decides to run, it will be the most predictable final result since 1984.

Put me in the camp with those that don't think she gets the nomination, for reasons stated well upthread.

He honestly believes the public is going to be so outraged by Obamacare that they will kick all Dems out of office. He's made this claim several times now in the Obamacare thread.

Hillary's going to run on fixing this. It'll allow her to distance herself from Barack, give her a little I told you so to the junior senator from Illinois (which is how she still views him, both she and John McCain), and it will do wonders for her ego which was devastated in 2008. And it won't matter that he gave her Secretary of State, that he let her be there for Bin Laden. Mark these words, she will throw Barack under the bus faster than you can say Obamacare. And she'll lose anyway, I could see her easily not even winning the nomination. Progressives are ready to move forward, the country needs answers to faster moving issues than old Hill can handle. Sorry toots, the country isn't looking for 1992 style answers to 2016 issues.

We'll remember you said that when the GOP nominates yet another old white guy.

They probably will. They don't like my take in those threads either.

Put up someone better than McCain and Romney. Put up someone better than Hillary. Someone with modern solutions to 2016-2020 issues. I think a lot of people are open to listening.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I think Hillary knows that her ship probably sailed. We don't need any more pant suits and fake tears from her anymore.

 

[timschochet]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

 

[Fennis]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

John Edwards and Hillary Clinton were the huge favorites by this point in early 2006.

 

[simey]

Put up someone better than McCain and Romney. Put up someone better than Hillary. Someone with modern solutions to 2016-2020 issues. I think a lot of people are open to listening.

I thought the Libertarian candidate (Gary Johnson) in the last election had interesting ideas that tapped into our modern culture, but politics are ruled by the Us vs Them mentality of the Republicans and Democrats, and that is what the majority listen to. There are a lot of people who are more interested in beating the other side than what is best for the US. It's unfortunate that a 3rd party doesn't get a platform like the other two. I would have loved a debate between Johnson, Obama, and Romney.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

If she runs she wins. The nomination then the election. If Hillary decides to run, it will be the most predictable final result since 1984.

God and/or great etheral deity please help us all. Currently a 2-1 favorite in betting odds. Ahead by a good margin. I truly cannot stand take this #####.

 

[timschochet]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

John Edwards and Hillary Clinton were the huge favorites by this point in early 2006.

That's true. But my point is, Obama was already a big star. He was already appearing on Meet The Press, Oprah, etc. He wrote a book that was a #1 bestseller. There is nobody that has close to that exposure.

There ARE Democrat stars waiting in the wings- Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, etc. But nobody quite ready yet. It's already too late, IMO, for one of them to emerge in 2016.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

That's revisionist my friend - state senators are not huge stars anywhere.

 

[timschochet]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

That's revisionist my friend - state senators are not huge stars anywhere.

At this point in time (3 years before the national election) he wasn't a state senator.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

That's revisionist my friend - state senators are not huge stars anywhere.

At this point in time (3 years before the national election) he wasn't a state senator.

He was first elected in 1996 to the ILL Senate.

You don't know the whole Alice Palmer backstabbing story I guess, or the Bobby Rush thing. Chicago politics at its finest.

ETA: I see what you mean, I forget what year it is already - but even still he was a rookie backbencher. It was anyone but Hillary and it may just be that again.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

John Edwards and Hillary Clinton were the huge favorites by this point in early 2006.

That's true. But my point is, Obama was already a big star. He was already appearing on Meet The Press, Oprah, etc. He wrote a book that was a #1 bestseller. There is nobody that has close to that exposure.

There ARE Democrat stars waiting in the wings- Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, etc. But nobody quite ready yet. It's already too late, IMO, for one of them to emerge in 2016.

Why is Booker less ready than Obama was in 2008?

Heck I've known about Booker since he started reforming Newark and took down the political machine there. I actually like him.

Unlike Obama in 07-08 Booker has actually done things in policy (good things at that) and run things.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I hope you don't think Rubio or Cruz can beat her.

Only one within ten points of her in the polls right now is Christie, and the GOP would never have that chronically tardy, centrist, fat bully as their candidate.

I think that is exactly what they are looking for . But as MOP stated, very few people in politics, let alone ones willing/realistically able to run, have a resume that comes close to Hillary's. One of the knocks on Obama has been his lack of experience in foreign affairs (and as it turns out, rightfully so). I don't see how the GOP can complain about it on one end, and then toss someone out there without that experience (which it likely will).

She will be an improvement in foreign policy issues for sure. GOP has nothing to slam her with and even if they do, you are talking about a woman that shrugged her shoulders while an intern was down on her knees blowing her husband the President. Do you really think anyone is gonna scare her or shake her? She is great under pressure and she will eat the GOP for lunch this time around. I expect an absolute slam dunk by her and actually the less she engages the GOP the better. She can pretty much ignore them outside of the 3 debates and she will win handily.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If she runs she wins. The nomination then the election. If Hillary decides to run, it will be the most predictable final result since 1984.

Absolutely this has Reagan '84 all over it. He was the incumbent which is slightly different but that was a landslide victory and I expect the same. Symbolically speaking, she and Bill represent a time that many remember as prosperous so even folks that just vote based on their checkbook/wallet are going to vote for her.

Media on her side, Bill, she is a runaway freight train once she leaves the station this time around.

 

[timschochet]

People at this point before 2008 0bama was a run of the mill Chicago state senator, even when he ran for US Senator he was facing an 8-2 favorite who just luckily got caught up in an unpredictable divorce scandal. You have no idea who's out there waiting for Hillary right now.

No, at this point Barack Obama was a HUGE star in the Democratic party, and increasingly seen as a potential underdog to Hillary. There is nobody currently that fills that role. And that's why it's Hillary's to lose.

John Edwards and Hillary Clinton were the huge favorites by this point in early 2006.

That's true. But my point is, Obama was already a big star. He was already appearing on Meet The Press, Oprah, etc. He wrote a book that was a #1 bestseller. There is nobody that has close to that exposure.

There ARE Democrat stars waiting in the wings- Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, etc. But nobody quite ready yet. It's already too late, IMO, for one of them to emerge in 2016.

Why is Booker less ready than Obama was in 2008?

Heck I've known about Booker since he started reforming Newark and took down the political machine there. I actually like him.

Unlike Obama in 07-08 Booker has actually done things in policy (good things at that) and run things.

He's probably more ready in terms of experience, that's for sure.

But Obama gave the keynote in 2004, and by this time (January 2006) he was far more famous to the public than Booker is. Obama used his book tour as a stepping stone to national fame. Outside of New Jersey, people like us who follow politics know who Booker is. But the public doesn't. And anyhow, Booker, unlike Obama, is not the type to challenge the Democratic establishment. When Booker runs for President (and I'm pretty confident it's a when instead of an if,) it will be with the establishment firmly behind him.

 

[Marvelous]

If she runs she wins. The nomination then the election. If Hillary decides to run, it will be the most predictable final result since 1984.

Absolutely this has Reagan '84 all over it. He was the incumbent which is slightly different but that was a landslide victory and I expect the same. Symbolically speaking, she and Bill represent a time that many remember as prosperous so even folks that just vote based on their checkbook/wallet are going to vote for her.

Media on her side, Bill, she is a runaway freight train once she leaves the station this time around.

I fully expect Hillary to run and win easily. She has everything: experience, name recognition, husband who is a superstar in politics, historical election as the first woman to be president.

The Republicans have nothing. As long as the tea party splinters the party, they will not be able to compete in a presidential election. And there are no stars. Christie was the closest, and now he is engulfed in scandal.

Mrs. Marvelous never votes for Democrats. She has even come to realize how messed up the Republicans are and that Hillary will be the next president. And she refused to vote in the last election.

 

[Marvelous]

One more thought: in the past, the Republicans have been very good about nominating whoever came in second the previous primaries. That would be Rick Santorum. I am not sure is Santorum is planning to run, but he should be default be the favorite if he runs.

 

[skol asylum]

I hope you don't think Rubio or Cruz can beat her.

Only one within ten points of her in the polls right now is Christie, and the GOP would never have that chronically tardy, centrist, fat bully as their candidate.

I think that is exactly what they are looking for . But as MOP stated, very few people in politics, let alone ones willing/realistically able to run, have a resume that comes close to Hillary's. One of the knocks on Obama has been his lack of experience in foreign affairs (and as it turns out, rightfully so). I don't see how the GOP can complain about it on one end, and then toss someone out there without that experience (which it likely will).

She will be an improvement in foreign policy issues for sure. GOP has nothing to slam her with and even if they do, you are talking about a woman that shrugged her shoulders while an intern was down on her knees blowing her husband the President. Do you really think anyone is gonna scare her or shake her? She is great under pressure and she will eat the GOP for lunch this time around. I expect an absolute slam dunk by her and actually the less she engages the GOP the better. She can pretty much ignore them outside of the 3 debates and she will win handily.

Benghazi 24/7

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

People are completely unaware how their statements could easily be quotes from 2006.

 

[timschochet]

People are completely unaware how their statements could easily be quotes from 2006.

In 2006 I told everyone I knew that while it would likely be Hillary, I thought that Obama, if he decided to run, had a decent chance.

This time around, I am saying it will likely be Hillary, and...there's nobody else. That's the difference.

 

[timschochet]

There was also in 2006, among many liberal Democrats, a visceral dislike of Hillary Clinton, and a general tiredness of the whole Clinton thing. I know that NC Commish still feels that way, but I don't think this is a common reaction among most Dems. They've long since forgiven her for the Iraq vote (the main reason she lost in 2008)- that's water under the bridge. Her performance as Secretary of State has given her even a greater gravitas than she had before.

 

[tommyboy]

There was also in 2006, among many liberal Democrats, a visceral dislike of Hillary Clinton, and a general tiredness of the whole Clinton thing. I know that NC Commish still feels that way, but I don't think this is a common reaction among most Dems. They've long since forgiven her for the Iraq vote (the main reason she lost in 2008)- that's water under the bridge. Her performance as Secretary of State has given her even a greater gravitas than she had before.

Benghazi

 

[timschochet]

There was also in 2006, among many liberal Democrats, a visceral dislike of Hillary Clinton, and a general tiredness of the whole Clinton thing. I know that NC Commish still feels that way, but I don't think this is a common reaction among most Dems. They've long since forgiven her for the Iraq vote (the main reason she lost in 2008)- that's water under the bridge. Her performance as Secretary of State has given her even a greater gravitas than she had before.

Benghazi

Fresh (actually, not so fresh anymore) meat for the partisans. There is not a single voter in this country who will change their mind about Hillary Clinton over that issue.

 

[drummer]

This thread needs Otis to chime in.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

There was also in 2006, among many liberal Democrats, a visceral dislike of Hillary Clinton, and a general tiredness of the whole Clinton thing. I know that NC Commish still feels that way, but I don't think this is a common reaction among most Dems. They've long since forgiven her for the Iraq vote (the main reason she lost in 2008)- that's water under the bridge. Her performance as Secretary of State has given her even a greater gravitas than she had before.

Benghazi

Yes, because people that watch Fox News 24/7 will hear about it constantly. And they're the middle-of-the-road voters that will REALLY swing this election!

 

[Homer J Simpson]

People are completely unaware how their statements could easily be quotes from 2006.

I was all over Obama at that point. I didn't think he would win, but he was my guy...I don't see anyone at this point with a shot like that other than Elizabeth Warren.

 

[eurotrashman]

There was also in 2006, among many liberal Democrats, a visceral dislike of Hillary Clinton, and a general tiredness of the whole Clinton thing. I know that NC Commish still feels that way, but I don't think this is a common reaction among most Dems. They've long since forgiven her for the Iraq vote (the main reason she lost in 2008)- that's water under the bridge. Her performance as Secretary of State has given her even a greater gravitas than she had before.

Benghazi

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

There is not a single voter in this country who will change their mind about Hillary Clinton over that any issue.

There's nothing realistic going to happen that changes anyone's mind about Hillary. She's been in the limelight for almost 25 years and is so polarizing that there aren't many people left on the fence.

And the GOP overreach on all her (and Bill's) "scandals" has pretty much guaranteed that nothing could happen today that would change people's perceptions of her. She's about as thoroughly innoculated as someone could be.

 

[cstu]

Unless Obama is allowed to run again as a Republican, no one is going to beat her.

 

[RCon]

It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.

Interesting? More like impossible.

Cruz won't get more than 30% of the Hispanic vote. Rubio might do slightly better, especially in Florida. But even these numbers might be optimistic if the GOP continues to block immigration reform.

Replacing the word interesting with impossible in that sentence implies that you believe it's impossible for either Cruz or Rubio to win the GOP nomination. I'd agree on Cruz, but at this point I can't rule Rubio out.

 

[cstu]

There was also in 2006, among many liberal Democrats, a visceral dislike of Hillary Clinton, and a general tiredness of the whole Clinton thing. I know that NC Commish still feels that way, but I don't think this is a common reaction among most Dems. They've long since forgiven her for the Iraq vote (the main reason she lost in 2008)- that's water under the bridge. Her performance as Secretary of State has given her even a greater gravitas than she had before.

Benghazi

Fresh (actually, not so fresh anymore) meat for the partisans. There is not a single voter in this country who will change their mind about Hillary Clinton over that issue.

I'd venture to guess that 90% of Americans know nothing about Benghazi other than the word Benghazi.

 

[RCon]

Get ready for Fox News 24/7 Bengahzi time.

After the NYTimes story they'll rarely even mention it. The whole thing turned out to be bogus.

Sorry for the hijack, but what means this?

What story, and what specifically was bogus re: Benghazi?

 

[timschochet]

It'll be interesting to see if Cruz or Rubio can bring 95 percent of the Hispanic vote like Barack did for the black vote. Not just from a voting standpoint, but from a sociological aspect as well.

Interesting? More like impossible.Cruz won't get more than 30% of the Hispanic vote. Rubio might do slightly better, especially in Florida. But even these numbers might be optimistic if the GOP continues to block immigration reform.

Replacing the word interesting with impossible in that sentence implies that you believe it's impossible for either Cruz or Rubio to win the GOP nomination. I'd agree on Cruz, but at this point I can't rule Rubio out.

I never wrote that. I was replying to Stat's shtick comment that either guy could get the vast majority of Latino support in this country. Of course Rubio could win the nomination, but that's not relevant to his comment or my response.

 

[RCon]

America has lived the progressive dream for eight years and it has got us nowhere. As with every election It's time for a change.

Bullcrap. We need to change the House and let it run like that for 8+ years.

As it is, all we have had is fillibusters.

Erm, the House filibustered things? I mean, I get where you're going with this, but I think you're mixing terminology...

 

[timschochet]

Get ready for Fox News 24/7 Bengahzi time.

After the NYTimes story they'll rarely even mention it. The whole thing turned out to be bogus.

Sorry for the hijack, but what means this?What story, and what specifically was bogus re: Benghazi?

It's in the Benghazi thread. There's a lengthy discussion.

 

[RCon]

just putting it out there, my early 2016 presidential election forecast is Hillary gets whipped by __________________()

i'm willing to bet on this.

I'm not sure I get this. So I can fill that blank with any name and you'll bet on that person against Hillary? Alright, Ron Jeremy.How much we betting?

I think Ron Jeremy would be willing to "whip" Hilary. Seems like it would be good for his career.