Hitler quotes in high school yearbook (1 Viewer)

[Norman Paperman]

I'm not understanding what's wrong with any of those quotes

Its the source not the words. Would you be ok if someone glorified Ariel Castro with a yearbook quote? Or the Boston Marathon bomber? Or Jeffrey Dahmer? Their words may be harmless but the abhorrent ideas they represent have no place in yearbooks.

When did yearbooks become so sacrosanct?

I'd much rather see someone who can think on their own, even if I disagree with their ideas.

What are the abhorrent ideas that these quotes represent? Seems to me there is a certain truth to the statements, no matter the source...

Let me get this straight- you have no issue with a high school student quoting Ariel Castro for his yearbook quote so long as the quote itself has merit?

I generally don't have any problem with any quote, unless it was hate speech directed at specific individuals or groups.You could quote idi amin, Pope Benedict, who ever you hated the most, and it will have zero impact on my life.

How about specifically? The Columbine gunmen? Is that cool?

Give me a quote - and I'll tell you if I find it objectionable.

I can tell you right now, I don't find the quotes used by these kids to be anywhere close to objectionable. For me, the objection will come from the content of the quote, not the source.

 

[Native]

I'm not understanding what's wrong with any of those quotes

Its the source not the words. Would you be ok if someone glorified Ariel Castro with a yearbook quote? Or the Boston Marathon bomber? Or Jeffrey Dahmer? Their words may be harmless but the abhorrent ideas they represent have no place in yearbooks.

When did yearbooks become so sacrosanct?

I'd much rather see someone who can think on their own, even if I disagree with their ideas.

What are the abhorrent ideas that these quotes represent? Seems to me there is a certain truth to the statements, no matter the source...

Let me get this straight- you have no issue with a high school student quoting Ariel Castro for his yearbook quote so long as the quote itself has merit?

I generally don't have any problem with any quote, unless it was hate speech directed at specific individuals or groups.You could quote idi amin, Pope Benedict, who ever you hated the most, and it will have zero impact on my life.

How about specifically? The Columbine gunmen? Is that cool?

Give me a quote - and I'll tell you if I find it objectionable.

"We’ll 'take care of business' to be sure".

-Dylan Klebold

Objectionable?

 

[Norman Paperman]

"We’ll 'take care of business' to be sure".

-Dylan Klebold

Objectionable?

Objectionable? Not to me. Tells me more about the person using the quote, than if left unsaid - great opportunity for a school official to intervene and try to understand why they feel this way, and determine if it is an actual safety threat.

Do the quotes in this case attribute the author, or are these quotes just used by the students?

 

[Brony]

You're telling me Hitler never danced in public? Not once? C'mon.

 

[Norman Paperman]

You're telling me Hitler never danced in public? Not once? C'mon.

That belongs in the Lies about Hitler thread.

Mods - please move.

 

[BroadwayG]

Lol at laws against public dancing. Why on earth does anyone live in what sounds like an awful place.

Through clever and constant application of propaganda

 

[Native]

"We’ll 'take care of business' to be sure".

-Dylan Klebold

Objectionable?

Objectionable? Not to me. Tells me more about the person using the quote, than if left unsaid - great opportunity for a school official to intervene and try to understand why they feel this way, and determine if it is an actual safety threat.

Do the quotes in this case attribute the author, or are these quotes just used by the students?

Attributed to the author, as is the norm for all yearbook quotes.

 

[Norman Paperman]

"We’ll 'take care of business' to be sure".

-Dylan Klebold

Objectionable?

Objectionable? Not to me. Tells me more about the person using the quote, than if left unsaid - great opportunity for a school official to intervene and try to understand why they feel this way, and determine if it is an actual safety threat.

Do the quotes in this case attribute the author, or are these quotes just used by the students?

Attributed to the author, as is the norm for all yearbook quotes.

we did not have such a thing, we just used some BS quote to be remembered by....

 

[Native]

"We’ll 'take care of business' to be sure".

-Dylan Klebold

Objectionable?

Objectionable? Not to me. Tells me more about the person using the quote, than if left unsaid - great opportunity for a school official to intervene and try to understand why they feel this way, and determine if it is an actual safety threat.

Do the quotes in this case attribute the author, or are these quotes just used by the students?

Attributed to the author, as is the norm for all yearbook quotes.

we did not have such a thing, we just used some BS quote to be remembered by....

Oops, ok. Sorry for presuming!

Last question and then Im going back to the soccer thread. Would you change your answer if the quote was attributed to the source?

 

[timschochet]

I give them credit. If they quoted Thomas Jefferson would we be talking about it?

They obviously wanted to make a point and stick a needle in the eyes of the repressive community they live in. Mission accomplished.

 

[Norman Paperman]

"We’ll 'take care of business' to be sure".

-Dylan Klebold

Objectionable?

Objectionable? Not to me. Tells me more about the person using the quote, than if left unsaid - great opportunity for a school official to intervene and try to understand why they feel this way, and determine if it is an actual safety threat.

Do the quotes in this case attribute the author, or are these quotes just used by the students?

Attributed to the author, as is the norm for all yearbook quotes.

we did not have such a thing, we just used some BS quote to be remembered by....

Oops, ok. Sorry for presuming!

Last question and then Im going back to the soccer thread. Would you change your answer if the quote was attributed to the source?

No - the Colombine one is close for me - given the setting - but again, I don't find it "offensive", but I would certainly understand those who would - and I would hope that a school administrator would examine why a student would use that quote.

In this case though - these quotes resonant for non-Hitler reasons - there is a lot of truth in them, whether we want to acknowledge the source or not.

Saw a recent news bulb where a chrisitan youth group used one of these exact quotes in a billboard...

 

[Norman Paperman]

I give them credit. If they quoted Thomas Jefferson would we be talking about it?

They obviously wanted to make a point and stick a needle in the eyes of the repressive community they live in. Mission accomplished.

I don't know why they used the quotes, but I would not necessarily presume it was to make a point, or to stick a needle in the eyes of the "repressive" community they live in. that may be it, I just have no idea.

 

[Sarnoff]

Good for the students. Shame on the school for even thinking about censoring future comments - absent foul language, or specific hate-speech, let the kids express themselves. Who are they hurting with these quotes?

I support the students expressing their opinions, but the yearbook is a school publication and has no guarantee of free speech. I completely understand wanting to edit the book and don't think removing quotes from Hitler is overstepping any boundaries. I don't think a school yearbook is the place to make controversial political/social statements.

Hitler didn't actually commit any crimes or break any laws.

Quite possibly the worst and most despicable post I have ever read on these forums.

You can't be serious.

Oops, sorry, I was thinking of Walter White.

My bad.

 

[glock]

On the whole "indoctrination" issue, how is raising a child to follow Christ any different than telling yoir child here's no God and raising them accordingly?.

It's not, it's massively different than teaching the child to think for him/her self and come to their own conclusions.

You're still telling the child your beliefs, and children tend to parrot what they're taught by their parents

How would someone parrot "think for yourself and come to your own conclusion"?

I don't have an answer for that. However, I was raised in a Christian home, but also taught to think for myself ( huge contradiction, amirite) but I came to the conclusion that despite the terrible things people are capable of, there is in fact a God who loves us.

This god who loves us, is the the same guy who let the two 12 year old girls stab their friend to within an inch if her life?

Man, he's got a funny way of showing it.

You to fail to take free will and self determination into account. Those who believe in a god never said that everything would be all unicorns and rainbows. But that's on us.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Lil B Yearbook quotes

 

[johnnycakes]

Story from a neighboring school district. I know the superintendent and principal quite well. The quotes are:

-- "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it."

-- "He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future."

-- "Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.

LINK - note: If you want to read the article you have to close the pop window asking you login before it fully loads in your browser.

Some local outrage from parents. The community is very religious right wing. No bars. Many many churchs. Laws against public dancing. Laws against alcohol sales on Sundays. Strict lawn care rules enforced by the city. They will mow your lawn for you and mail you the bill.

The majority of responses so far don't come close to understanding the meaning. The three kids wanted to express their concern that youth in the community were being indoctrinated into the conservative religious ideology.

Why would they object to Hitler quotes?

 

[joffer]

I would think its inappropriate if the source was attributed in the quote. I didn't think it was in this case.

 

[RC94]

Lol at laws against public dancing.

Does Kevin Bacon know about this?

I'm sure someone within 6 degrees of him knows.