Holt - just let him go (1 Viewer)

[Manasseh]

I have both Holt and Welker, both of whom I've been disappointed with this season. I've been considering dropping Holt for Kevin Curtis. You guys have me thinking I may drop Welker instead. I'm just looking for a reliable WR 3 as Wayne and Cotchery have been pretty good thus far. WR is definitely not my strongest area...I just need these guys to not lay an egg.

 

[NeverEnough]

I have both Holt and Welker, both of whom I've been disappointed with this season. I've been considering dropping Holt for Kevin Curtis. You guys have me thinking I may drop Welker instead. I'm just looking for a reliable WR 3 as Wayne and Cotchery have been pretty good thus far. WR is definitely not my strongest area...I just need these guys to not lay an egg.

I'd drop Welker for him

 

[NeverEnough]

I'd go w/ Moore. He may be inconsistent, but that offense is light year's ahead of STL, even if they turn it around.I have Holt in one league, where he's fallen to WR4/5, depth only. Looking to trade for him in another league.

Even when Colston comes back?

I say Moore considering your cap league, otherwise I'd rather have Holt for upside.

Well this really speaks volumes for how far the mighty have fallen

 

[Lash]

I think anyone who drafted Holt and didn't move him early in a trade has to hold at this point, for these reasons:1. The schedule appears to be easier going forward.2. Avery has emerged in the past couple of games and should draw some attention away from Holt. Plus, Bennett is supposedly 1-2 weeks from returning, which could also help.3. Linehan was feuding with Holt and didn't try to get him the ball enough. In his first game under Haslett, Holt had almost twice as many targets (11) as he averaged under Linehan (6) this year. This followed the team's statement that they would move him around more rather than just keeping him at the X position in an effort to get him the ball more, so I expect increased targets to continue. An increase in production should follow an increase in opportunity. Holt's targets this year:Week 1 (Linehan) - 2Week 2 (Linehan) - 7Week 3 (Linehan) - 8Week 4 (Linehan) - 7Week 6 (Haslett) - 114. Holt has historically been significantly better at home than on the road (based on FBG scoring), and that trend has continued so far this year:+2.9 ppg (12.6 to 9.7) for his career+4.3 ppg (14.2 to 9.9) since start of 2003 (5 preceding years plus this year)+4.9 ppg (12.4 to 7.5) since start of 2006 (2 preceding years plus this year)+7.8 ppg (10.1 to 2.3) in 5 games this year6 of Holt's remaining 11 games are at home. And one of the road games is in week 17, when many leagues have ended... so for many leagues, it is 6 of 10 home games. As for fantasy playoffs, he is @ARI in week 14 and then home in weeks 15 and 16.If I didn't already have Holt, I'd be looking to get him cheap. If you can pull it off and have enough depth, you could just get him and start him at home, but I'd go after him even if you have to start him every week from here forward.

these are the done-their-homework posts that make sifting through the rest of the algae in the shark pool worth it

 

[aldelgreco]

Just got Kellen Winslow for him to my complete amazement.

12 team redraft, standard scoring 2RB/3WR/1 Flex 1 TE

I'm trying to figure out if the owner knows something i don't about Winslow's hospital stay. Not to hijack.

Time to go check the Winslow thread I guess.

Anyway....you guys have fun owning holt.

I am officially OFF the team.

-adg

 

[xenith]

Just got Kellen Winslow for him to my complete amazement.12 team redraft, standard scoring 2RB/3WR/1 Flex 1 TEI'm trying to figure out if the owner knows something i don't about Winslow's hospital stay. Not to hijack. Time to go check the Winslow thread I guess.Anyway....you guys have fun owning holt.I am officially OFF the team. -adg

Trading for Winslow right now, that's ballsy!

 

[NeverEnough]

I think anyone who drafted Holt and didn't move him early in a trade has to hold at this point, for these reasons:1. The schedule appears to be easier going forward.2. Avery has emerged in the past couple of games and should draw some attention away from Holt. Plus, Bennett is supposedly 1-2 weeks from returning, which could also help.3. Linehan was feuding with Holt and didn't try to get him the ball enough. In his first game under Haslett, Holt had almost twice as many targets (11) as he averaged under Linehan (6) this year. This followed the team's statement that they would move him around more rather than just keeping him at the X position in an effort to get him the ball more, so I expect increased targets to continue. An increase in production should follow an increase in opportunity. Holt's targets this year:Week 1 (Linehan) - 2Week 2 (Linehan) - 7Week 3 (Linehan) - 8Week 4 (Linehan) - 7Week 6 (Haslett) - 114. Holt has historically been significantly better at home than on the road (based on FBG scoring), and that trend has continued so far this year:+2.9 ppg (12.6 to 9.7) for his career+4.3 ppg (14.2 to 9.9) since start of 2003 (5 preceding years plus this year)+4.9 ppg (12.4 to 7.5) since start of 2006 (2 preceding years plus this year)+7.8 ppg (10.1 to 2.3) in 5 games this year6 of Holt's remaining 11 games are at home. And one of the road games is in week 17, when many leagues have ended... so for many leagues, it is 6 of 10 home games. As for fantasy playoffs, he is @ARI in week 14 and then home in weeks 15 and 16.If I didn't already have Holt, I'd be looking to get him cheap. If you can pull it off and have enough depth, you could just get him and start him at home, but I'd go after him even if you have to start him every week from here forward.

these are the done-their-homework posts that make sifting through the rest of the algae in the shark pool worth it

But he did nothing with his 11 targets this week...

 

[uwgb96]

I'm considering dropping him in a 12 team, Start 3, $100 cap league. Just seems like a waste of $13. I have RWhite, SMoss, DBowe, RoyWilliams already, so the depth is still there. Someone dropped ERoyal last week and I'm thinking of picking him up and adding some RB depth with the $13. However, there are some good arguments to keeping Holt around for matchup purposes. Decisions, decisions.

 

[packersfan]

His name value alone can be helpful in a package deal.

Not in mine. I can't give him away - and I'm not trying to get a star in return for him by any means. Nobody wants the guy because there are 40-45 WRs who have been better which means you can grab somebody off the WW each week and get better production from that guy than you would from Holt. The question I have is whether the upcoming schedule will help or if it's too late and if anybody emerges at WR for the Rams it's going to be Avery.

As a Holt owner this is what I feared would happen - Holt has become the No. 2 WR in this offense with Avery the clear No. 1 from a fantasy perspective. Props to the OP for making the call to just get rid of Holt. He's pretty much worthless now from a fantasy perspective. It's not hard to find guys who can catch 3-4 passes for 40-50 yards a game. There's no upside to him anymore and after today I'm not sure why anybody would want to hang onto him. He had a great matchup today and choked on it. Avery took full advantage and clearly appears to be the Rams' WR to own from a fantasy perspective.

 

[BigRed]

At least the light went on for one person.

 

[[scooter]]

Just got Kellen Winslow for him to my complete amazement.

12 team redraft, standard scoring 2RB/3WR/1 Flex 1 TE

I'm trying to figure out if the owner knows something i don't about Winslow's hospital stay. Not to hijack.

Time to go check the Winslow thread I guess.

Anyway....you guys have fun owning holt.

I am officially OFF the team.

-adg

Trading for Winslow right now, that's ballsy!

 

[kingmalaki]

I just let him go for Harrison in my non PPR league. I think the Colts offense will rebound eventually and they also have some decent matchups left.

 

[StuntMonkee]

I'm still holding hope for him. . . .thoughts of Avery hitting the Rookie wall and an easy schedule keep me hooked still. He's my #5 at this point, but he's one one of 5 or 6 teams with a sweet sweet playoff schedule.

And the highest offer I have seen for him is Santonio Holmes. . . .seems like a side step at best, and the wire is thin.

I would say to hold onto him unless you find a guy that values him. . .or you can package him for an upgrade.

 

[joffer]

i'm completely baffled by Dodds' ranking of Holt this week.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I played this guy everyweek expect for... you guess it, last week. I could of won my weekly high score payout if I left him in and sat Fargas.

I'll let you guys know if I play him... if I do, hes good for another 4 Recs for 40 yd day. I Bench him, he'll have a solid WR2 day.

Yes, I'm very frustrated Holt owner who has him in the starting line up right now.

 

[icecoldbrewski]

I dumped him after week 3 to pick up Roddy. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner. Since then, 3 other teams have picked him up and dumped him after a couple of weeks.

I don't care how easy his schedule gets. His offensive line will still suck.

 

[Tau837]

i'm completely baffled by Dodds' ranking of Holt this week.

Yes, it is a bit surprising. He's also fairly high in the top 200 forward.

 

[footballnerd]

I'm still holding hope for him. . . .thoughts of Avery hitting the Rookie wall and an easy schedule keep me hooked still. He's my #5 at this point, but he's one one of 5 or 6 teams with a sweet sweet playoff schedule. And the highest offer I have seen for him is Santonio Holmes. . . .seems like a side step at best, and the wire is thin.I would say to hold onto him unless you find a guy that values him. . .or you can package him for an upgrade.

Two match ups vs the Niners and one more vs the Cards keeps him on my bench in case I need him for those weeks.

 

[mr blond]

Anyone rolling with Holt this week?

His matchup is solid and he's playing at home, but the health of the STL o-line makes me nervous.

 

[NoCheese]

Anyone rolling with Holt this week?His matchup is solid and he's playing at home, but the health of the STL o-line makes me nervous.

Td heavy league...have to choose between Holt/Muhammad and I'm going Holt

 

[a_rackowski]

His reception % per Target is soooo low - thats what concerns me more than anything. I have not been lucky enough to see any Rams Games, so I could be wrong, but I would imagine it falls back on Bulger. Holt for so long has been the best and smoothest route runner in the league. This week I imagine he matches up with Peanut Tillman - Unless the Bears DLINE duplicates their sorry effort last week, I cant see it getting better now for Holt.

The thing for us holt owners is for so many years, Holt has been a model of consistency. Once he gets it going with an 8 catch 1td, 100+ Yd Performance, he is going to be back for good. For me, even though I am running out of time, he is seeing the bench till that performance comes.

 

[FairWarning]

Holt will reward their owners today.

 

[Goooals]

20 man roster. Great name to just have on your bench during his last fantasy season.

 

[fsufan]

holt was just dropped in one of my dynasty leagues for Arrington

 

[Tau837]

I'm starting him. I have started him all season (in a 16 team, start 3 league with short bench, roster limits, and near the end of waiver order every week) except last week, when I started Engram instead... and Holt outscored him.

It's been painful, but I am still hoping he'll come through in his home matchups down the stretch.

 

[finito]

holt was just dropped in one of my dynasty leagues for Arrington

 

[mr blond]

I'm starting him. I have started him all season (in a 16 team, start 3 league with short bench, roster limits, and near the end of waiver order every week) except last week, when I started Engram instead... and Holt outscored him.

It's been painful, but I am still hoping he'll come through in his home matchups down the stretch.

I'll only consider him in favorable home matchups going forward. I'm starting him over Coles @ TEN and Curtis @ BAL.

 

[Max Power]

Anyone have some insight into Holt's future with the Rams? Clearly the guy isn't the top 10 WR we have all come to love anymore. I'm still holding in Dynasty in hopes that a healthy Rams team can put up some decent fantasy points again.

On the other hand, I do recal reading that Holt might be on the trading block as STL is full on re-tooling. Is Philly still interested?