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That Saul polygraph was like the writers were here reading this thread. I was cracking up when he took the first test and "failed".

The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
Was thinking the same thing. She's got serious problems coming up...- Failed the polygraph about using drugs while at the CIA.

- Estes has Galvez tailing her so they'll know she's...

- Sleeping with Brody.

:popcorn:

 
That Saul polygraph was like the writers were here reading this thread. I was cracking up when he took the first test and "failed".

The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
Was thinking the same thing. She's got serious problems coming up...- Failed the polygraph about using drugs while at the CIA.

- Estes has Galvez tailing her so they'll know she's...

- Sleeping with Brody.

:popcorn:
I totally forgot about the bolded. :excited:
 
That Saul polygraph was like the writers were here reading this thread. I was cracking up when he took the first test and "failed".The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
It makes a ton of sense. I think it's pretty clear that she's getting close to him to nail him, er catch him, because she is being restricted by her superiors. I don't know if she specifically banged him to set up a control question in the polygraph, but it was pretty clear that her whole rationale in going to meet him at the bar was because she was worried that he wouldn't take the polygraph. I think they've shown she's convinced enough and willing to do about anything so she very well may have banged him specifically to set up the control question. There's zero percent chance that she's actually interested in him (although if it becomes clear that he's not a terrorist, then maybe...). She is so completely dead set convinced that he's a terrorist, the ONLY explanation is that she's taking her work home with her.
 
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The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
That's what I'm thinking. There have been a couple of times so far that we've seen her act all whorish. I think at the beginning of the pilot we see her with JBF hair and then she gives her under-carriage a quick wipe down. Later on we see her picking up on that guy at the bar.
 
The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
That's what I'm thinking. There have been a couple of times so far that we've seen her act all whorish. I think at the beginning of the pilot we see her with JBF hair and then she gives her under-carriage a quick wipe down. Later on we see her picking up on that guy at the bar.
Please see above. She's a work wh@re, not a wh@ore, as zealous about the work as the terrorists she tracks are about theirs. She may snag some casual nookie when she can, but her interest in Brody, at least for now, is to go above and beyond what the CIA is letting her officially do to out Brody.
 
The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
That's what I'm thinking. There have been a couple of times so far that we've seen her act all whorish. I think at the beginning of the pilot we see her with JBF hair and then she gives her under-carriage a quick wipe down. Later on we see her picking up on that guy at the bar.
Please see above. She's a work wh@re, not a wh@ore, as zealous about the work as the terrorists she tracks are about theirs. She may snag some casual nookie when she can, but her interest in Brody, at least for now, is to go above and beyond what the CIA is letting her officially do to out Brody.
:shrug: I know a crazy sloot when I see one...
 
The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
That's what I'm thinking. There have been a couple of times so far that we've seen her act all whorish. I think at the beginning of the pilot we see her with JBF hair and then she gives her under-carriage a quick wipe down. Later on we see her picking up on that guy at the bar.
Please see above. She's a work wh@re, not a wh@ore, as zealous about the work as the terrorists she tracks are about theirs. She may snag some casual nookie when she can, but her interest in Brody, at least for now, is to go above and beyond what the CIA is letting her officially do to out Brody.
:shrug: I know a crazy sloot when I see one...
So you think it's coincidence that she leaves her post when Brody calls her and doesn't want to take the polygraph? The one that she stepped stomped on the toes of her boss to set up. And after a bunch of shots, entices him quite deliberately to take the polygraph. And then her overwhelming slootyness just happened to set up a very blatant control question for the aforementioned hard won polygraph test. All of this on top of the extremely ambitious and job threatening nature of her pursuit of Brody as a national threat. Sorry, I don't buy it as her having a slutty crush and wanting some nookie. If it is, then these guys are quite literally the worst writers in the history of TV. There's as much of a chance that she's not getting close to him for the reasons I've stated as there is that she is working for the terrorists.Note however, that I could see it going that way IF she becomes convinced that he is NOT who she thinks he is, though she could be wrong about his innocence in the long run and would then be in the situation of being involved with a terrorist who actually used her to keep her (as his enemy) closer than he keeps his friends. However, that's a season 2 storyline.

 
No Showtime here but thinking about picking this one up on the torrents. Worthwile? After Breaking Bad finished, Boardwalk Empire is really the only drama I enjoy watching and it's not even that great.

 
'mad sweeney said:
Sorry, I don't buy it as her having a slutty crush and wanting some nookie. If it is, then these guys are quite literally the worst writers in the history of TV.
Agree here. At first I was thinking that it was all work related and it tied in perfectly with him taking the polygraph and her making the tester ask about being faithful to his wife. Him looking at the camera and dropping the NO was awesome. If they keep it that way, I'm fine, but I bet it's gets soap operaish with the sex real soon.

 
No Showtime here but thinking about picking this one up on the torrents. Worthwile? After Breaking Bad finished, Boardwalk Empire is really the only drama I enjoy watching and it's not even that great.
Yeah, it's worth it.
 
It's a pet peeve of mine that polygraph tests in TV shows and movies are always treated as if they can distinguish between truth-tellers and liars. In real life, they're roughly as effective as flipping a coin.

They can still be useful to induce confessions from liars who don't know any better (the way a photocopy machine was used in this awesome clip from The Wire), but no CIA Division Chief would ever glance at a polygraph read-out and proclaim: "It's over. This man is clean."

 
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It's a pet peeve of mine that polygraph tests in TV shows and movies are always treated as if they can distinguish between truth-tellers and liars. In real life, they're roughly as effective as flipping a coin.

They can still be useful to induce confessions from liars who don't know any better (the way a photocopy machine was used in this awesome clip from The Wire), but no CIA Division Chief would ever glance at a polygraph read-out and proclaim: "It's over. This man is clean."
Unless he was part of the terrorist plot!
 
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Im not crazy about the whole affair angle. The first ***** in the armor of an otherwise great show IMO
:goodposting: People end up nailing each other all the time because they get drunk and can't help it, especially when they're feeling hurt or whatever. I get that. But it just doesn't fit that someone who's been presented as being singularly driven by the idea of keeping America safe would compromise that for a quick lay. You could argue that maybe it's all a part of some master plan of hers ... but then why clue him in on the subject of the lie detector test the night before? And if she really thinks the guy is working against American interests, wouldn't there also be a risk in allowing him to gain leverage over her? Not a fan.Still love the show and can't wait for next week, but I didn't like this turn of events.
 
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Im not crazy about the whole affair angle. The first ***** in the armor of an otherwise great show IMO
:goodposting: People end up nailing each other all the time because they get drunk and can't help it, especially when they're feeling hurt or whatever. I get that. But it just doesn't fit that someone who's been presented as being singularly driven by the idea of keeping America safe would compromise that for a quick lay. You could argue that maybe it's all a part of some master plan of hers ... but then why clue him in on the subject of the lie detector test the night before? And if she really thinks the guy is working against American interests, wouldn't there also be a risk in allowing him to gain leverage over her? Not a fan.

Still love the show and can't wait for next week, but I didn't like this turn of events.
Because he wasn't going to take it and she was running out of time and the patience of those above her. She needed to goad him into it, and she (knowingly or coincidentally) got a control question out of the deal. It's so very clearly a set up on her part.
 
Im not crazy about the whole affair angle. The first ***** in the armor of an otherwise great show IMO
:goodposting: People end up nailing each other all the time because they get drunk and can't help it, especially when they're feeling hurt or whatever. I get that. But it just doesn't fit that someone who's been presented as being singularly driven by the idea of keeping America safe would compromise that for a quick lay. You could argue that maybe it's all a part of some master plan of hers ... but then why clue him in on the subject of the lie detector test the night before? And if she really thinks the guy is working against American interests, wouldn't there also be a risk in allowing him to gain leverage over her? Not a fan.

Still love the show and can't wait for next week, but I didn't like this turn of events.
Because he wasn't going to take it and she was running out of time and the patience of those above her. She needed to goad him into it, and she (knowingly or coincidentally) got a control question out of the deal. It's so very clearly a set up on her part.
I'm not sure I understand what she did to "goad him into" taking the lie detector test, nor how you can conclude that he wasn't going to take it simply because he said he wouldn't take it that next day. Did I miss something?
 
Im not crazy about the whole affair angle. The first ***** in the armor of an otherwise great show IMO
:goodposting: People end up nailing each other all the time because they get drunk and can't help it, especially when they're feeling hurt or whatever. I get that. But it just doesn't fit that someone who's been presented as being singularly driven by the idea of keeping America safe would compromise that for a quick lay. You could argue that maybe it's all a part of some master plan of hers ... but then why clue him in on the subject of the lie detector test the night before? And if she really thinks the guy is working against American interests, wouldn't there also be a risk in allowing him to gain leverage over her? Not a fan.

Still love the show and can't wait for next week, but I didn't like this turn of events.
Because he wasn't going to take it and she was running out of time and the patience of those above her. She needed to goad him into it, and she (knowingly or coincidentally) got a control question out of the deal. It's so very clearly a set up on her part.
I'm not sure I understand what she did to "goad him into" taking the lie detector test, nor how you can conclude that he wasn't going to take it simply because he said he wouldn't take it that next day. Did I miss something?
She told him about the lie detector so he would sleep with her, which she thought would gain his trust and make him take it. It also gave her the question to ask about his fidelity when she needed to know if he was telling the truth.
 
It's a pet peeve of mine that polygraph tests in TV shows and movies are always treated as if they can distinguish between truth-tellers and liars. In real life, they're roughly as effective as flipping a coin.

They can still be useful to induce confessions from liars who don't know any better (the way a photocopy machine was used in this awesome clip from The Wire), but no CIA Division Chief would ever glance at a polygraph read-out and proclaim: "It's over. This man is clean."
If polygraphs are so great why aren’t the results admissible in court cases? Criminologists say lie detector tests pass 10 percent of the liars and fail 20 percent of the truth-tellers.
 
She told him about the lie detector so he would sleep with her, which she thought would gain his trust and make him take it. It also gave her the question to ask about his fidelity when she needed to know if he was telling the truth.
Yeah, I don't follow that at all. She told him about the lie detector so he would sleep with her? I thought getting drunk with him and looking like Claire Danes and being willing to let him get a quickie in the back of a car outside the bar was probably far more effective in that respect.And she had plenty of control questions at her disposal if she wanted them. She watched him without his knowledge for days/weeks. She must have seen plenty of things about him she knew to be true. Why create another new control, especially one which tells him exactly who is asking the question (there's no other earthly reason that question would come up in an intelligence questioning), and which he knows can be used as a control question?

 
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The whole Brody/Carrie thing doesn't make any sense. WTF is she thinking? Is it her mental issues?
That's what I'm thinking. There have been a couple of times so far that we've seen her act all whorish. I think at the beginning of the pilot we see her with JBF hair and then she gives her under-carriage a quick wipe down. Later on we see her picking up on that guy at the bar.
Please see above. She's a work wh@re, not a wh@ore, as zealous about the work as the terrorists she tracks are about theirs. She may snag some casual nookie when she can, but her interest in Brody, at least for now, is to go above and beyond what the CIA is letting her officially do to out Brody.
:shrug: I know a crazy sloot when I see one...
So you think it's coincidence that she leaves her post when Brody calls her and doesn't want to take the polygraph? The one that she stepped stomped on the toes of her boss to set up. And after a bunch of shots, entices him quite deliberately to take the polygraph. And then her overwhelming slootyness just happened to set up a very blatant control question for the aforementioned hard won polygraph test. All of this on top of the extremely ambitious and job threatening nature of her pursuit of Brody as a national threat. Sorry, I don't buy it as her having a slutty crush and wanting some nookie. If it is, then these guys are quite literally the worst writers in the history of TV. There's as much of a chance that she's not getting close to him for the reasons I've stated as there is that she is working for the terrorists.Note however, that I could see it going that way IF she becomes convinced that he is NOT who she thinks he is, though she could be wrong about his innocence in the long run and would then be in the situation of being involved with a terrorist who actually used her to keep her (as his enemy) closer than he keeps his friends. However, that's a season 2 storyline.
No. I think she's crafty AND a whore.
 
It's a pet peeve of mine that polygraph tests in TV shows and movies are always treated as if they can distinguish between truth-tellers and liars. In real life, they're roughly as effective as flipping a coin.

They can still be useful to induce confessions from liars who don't know any better (the way a photocopy machine was used in this awesome clip from The Wire), but no CIA Division Chief would ever glance at a polygraph read-out and proclaim: "It's over. This man is clean."
Yeah this bugs the hell out of me. Isn't Herman Cain talking about taking a polygraph as well? Just stupid.
 
She told him about the lie detector so he would sleep with her, which she thought would gain his trust and make him take it. It also gave her the question to ask about his fidelity when she needed to know if he was telling the truth.
Yeah, I don't follow that at all. She told him about the lie detector so he would sleep with her? I thought getting drunk with him and looking like Claire Danes and being willing to let him get a quickie in the back of a car outside the bar was probably far more effective in that respect.And she had plenty of control questions at her disposal if she wanted them. She watched him without his knowledge for days/weeks. She must have seen plenty of things about him she knew to be true. Why create another new control, especially one which tells him exactly who is asking the question (there's no other earthly reason that question would come up in an intelligence questioning), and which he knows can be used as a control question?
She knows all of this guy's secrets, including those about his 'sex' life. He needed to trust her in order to have sex and by giving her classified info he thought he had that. As for other control questions, those would be even harder to explain if she asked them.

 
Im not crazy about the whole affair angle. The first ***** in the armor of an otherwise great show IMO
:goodposting: People end up nailing each other all the time because they get drunk and can't help it, especially when they're feeling hurt or whatever. I get that. But it just doesn't fit that someone who's been presented as being singularly driven by the idea of keeping America safe would compromise that for a quick lay. You could argue that maybe it's all a part of some master plan of hers ... but then why clue him in on the subject of the lie detector test the night before? And if she really thinks the guy is working against American interests, wouldn't there also be a risk in allowing him to gain leverage over her? Not a fan.

Still love the show and can't wait for next week, but I didn't like this turn of events.
Because he wasn't going to take it and she was running out of time and the patience of those above her. She needed to goad him into it, and she (knowingly or coincidentally) got a control question out of the deal. It's so very clearly a set up on her part.
I'm not sure I understand what she did to "goad him into" taking the lie detector test, nor how you can conclude that he wasn't going to take it simply because he said he wouldn't take it that next day. Did I miss something?
Not necessarily concluding he wouldn't take it at all, but they had a time crunch involved both with Faisal on the run and the fact that she was consistently pushing against her superiors to get things done in her apparent witchhunt of Brody. The longer it was delayed, the bigger the chance that a) THE EVENT might happen or b) what little support she has at the CIA dwindles away. It just makes 85,000% more sense than the utterly absurd and beyond ridiculous notion that she just, for no reason, went to the bar he was at, had a few drinks with him and wanted to bang him in her car.

 
Who rigged the "safe house" that the terrorist couple went to? It's gotta be Abu Nazir, right? He must have agents all over the U.S.

 
'EYLive said:
Who rigged the "safe house" that the terrorist couple went to? It's gotta be Abu Nazir, right? He must have agents all over the U.S.
My guess was the bald dude who sold the necklace and gave the money to the couple. But he's obviously one of Nazir's top agents.
 
'mad sweeney said:
It just makes 85,000% more sense than the utterly absurd and beyond ridiculous notion that she just, for no reason, went to the bar he was at, had a few drinks with him and wanted to bang him in her car.
Why is this beyond ridiculous? We know she has emotional issues and uses casual sex as some sort of a crutch in response to them. We know she watched every aspect of his life for days or weeks, so she likely developed some sort of emotional bond with him through that process. The show made a point of showing us that she was particularly interested in watching him shower and nail his wife. Don't get me wrong, it definitely seems ridiculous to me too considering the other aspects of the character we've been told and the real-world constraints on you if you work in intelligence, but I wonder if the creators and writers are taking us down that road, which I'm not so happy about if that's the case.
 
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'mad sweeney said:
It just makes 85,000% more sense than the utterly absurd and beyond ridiculous notion that she just, for no reason, went to the bar he was at, had a few drinks with him and wanted to bang him in her car.
Why is this beyond ridiculous? We know she has emotional issues and uses casual sex as some sort of a crutch in response to them. We know she watched every aspect of his life for days or weeks, so she likely developed some sort of emotional bond with him through that process. The show made a point of showing us that she was particularly interested in watching him shower and nail his wife. Don't get me wrong, it definitely seems ridiculous to me too considering the other aspects of the character we've been told and the real-world constraints on you if you work in intelligence, but I wonder if the creators and writers are taking us down that road, which I'm not so happy about if that's the case.
Like I said before, as long as she believes he is a threat, I think it's obvious that her getting close to him is job oriented. If they want to take it down that road later on, then it might be good. But at this stage, unless they're the dumbest writers on the planet, there's no chance of it.
 
Holy balls this was the best episode yet. Wow this show is really moving at an incredible pace, most other shows would have dragged out Brody question for a full season.

 
Seems to early for brodie to be totaly clear. I'm guessing stuff points back to him being turned over the next few episodes.

 
Seems to early for brodie to be totaly clear. I'm guessing stuff points back to him being turned over the next few episodes.
So both pow were turned? That doesn't make that much sense, why have Brody think Walker is dead if Brody is with them? Brody just became a Muslim and is not doing any covert operation for them,imo
 
Seems to early for brodie to be totaly clear. I'm guessing stuff points back to him being turned over the next few episodes.
So both pow were turned? That doesn't make that much sense, why have Brody think Walker is dead if Brody is with them? Brody just became a Muslim and is not doing any covert operation for them,imo
I think Abu Nazir's plan was to have Brody beat Walker within an inch of his life. Brody thinks he killed his partner, is brainwashed over the remaining 8 years into becoming Muslim, loves Nazir and returns to the U.S. as a decoy with all sorts of red flags that Carrie, predictably, picks up on. I don't think Brody was ever turned, just used as a pawn.On Walker's side, Nazir nurses him back to health, and brainwashes him into feeling betrayed by his country and Marine brother, and turns him into a terrorist.Elaine and the professor's only role was to buy the house and not get caught doing anything suspicious. They failed the 2nd part so Nazir needs them dead.I still think there's a mole in the CIA.
 
Well I wasn't expecting that. Great episode. Now we just have to figure out how much of that was true.
I can't say that I expected that but I sure did expect something. They have been teasing way too much in the writing. Never giving us anything that outright proved he was a terrorist but giving us enough to make us think he was. I actually expect this to go on... where they try to take us into a back and forth of a 'wow, maybe he is' then 'well, ok, maybe he is not'. I am just not sure how long they can do that. Where does the story go from there?
 
Seems to early for brodie to be totaly clear. I'm guessing stuff points back to him being turned over the next few episodes.
So both pow were turned? That doesn't make that much sense, why have Brody think Walker is dead if Brody is with them? Brody just became a Muslim and is not doing any covert operation for them,imo
I think Abu Nazir's plan was to have Brody beat Walker within an inch of his life. Brody thinks he killed his partner, is brainwashed over the remaining 8 years into becoming Muslim, loves Nazir and returns to the U.S. as a decoy with all sorts of red flags that Carrie, predictably, picks up on. I don't think Brody was ever turned, just used as a pawn.On Walker's side, Nazir nurses him back to health, and brainwashes him into feeling betrayed by his country and Marine brother, and turns him into a terrorist.Elaine and the professor's only role was to buy the house and not get caught doing anything suspicious. They failed the 2nd part so Nazir needs them dead.I still think there's a mole in the CIA.
Ok so his the guy they throw in the hole in captivity. Unless I am mistaken I thought they show brody throwing dirt onto the body...
 
'belljr said:
'EYLive said:
Seems to early for brodie to be totaly clear. I'm guessing stuff points back to him being turned over the next few episodes.
So both pow were turned? That doesn't make that much sense, why have Brody think Walker is dead if Brody is with them? Brody just became a Muslim and is not doing any covert operation for them,imo
I think Abu Nazir's plan was to have Brody beat Walker within an inch of his life. Brody thinks he killed his partner, is brainwashed over the remaining 8 years into becoming Muslim, loves Nazir and returns to the U.S. as a decoy with all sorts of red flags that Carrie, predictably, picks up on. I don't think Brody was ever turned, just used as a pawn.On Walker's side, Nazir nurses him back to health, and brainwashes him into feeling betrayed by his country and Marine brother, and turns him into a terrorist.Elaine and the professor's only role was to buy the house and not get caught doing anything suspicious. They failed the 2nd part so Nazir needs them dead.I still think there's a mole in the CIA.
Ok so his the guy they throw in the hole in captivity. Unless I am mistaken I thought they show brody throwing dirt onto the body...
Yes, that was a flashback. I guess we're supposed to believe that Nazir saved Walker. :shrug:
 
Anybody starting to think maybe Brody isnt a terrorist cell? I mean theyre taking a really long time to drop the bomb, which I like but that would be pretty interesting.
Ummmmmmmmm...
yes?
I think the point that Officer Pete was trying to make was that the whole premise of the show is we don't know if Brody is or isn't really the turned POW. They spent several episodes dropping little clues that would indicate that he was turned. Then they "drop the bomb" in the last episode that he probably isn't. Of course that could all be a ploy as well.
 
Anybody starting to think maybe Brody isnt a terrorist cell? I mean theyre taking a really long time to drop the bomb, which I like but that would be pretty interesting.
Ummmmmmmmm...
yes?
I think the point that Officer Pete was trying to make was that the whole premise of the show is we don't know if Brody is or isn't really the turned POW. They spent several episodes dropping little clues that would indicate that he was turned. Then they "drop the bomb" in the last episode that he probably isn't. Of course that could all be a ploy as well.
Actually I thought the whole premise of the show is that Brody WAS a terrorist. Now that that angle of the show is gone whats the point of Brody even being on it anymore.
 
Anybody starting to think maybe Brody isnt a terrorist cell? I mean theyre taking a really long time to drop the bomb, which I like but that would be pretty interesting.
Ummmmmmmmm...
yes?
I think the point that Officer Pete was trying to make was that the whole premise of the show is we don't know if Brody is or isn't really the turned POW. They spent several episodes dropping little clues that would indicate that he was turned. Then they "drop the bomb" in the last episode that he probably isn't. Of course that could all be a ploy as well.
Actually I thought the whole premise of the show is that Brody WAS a terrorist. Now that that angle of the show is gone whats the point of Brody even being on it anymore.
1. It's not gone.2. Even if it is gone, he's now an American soldier who was in captivity for years with another American soldier who was turned by their captors into a man now trying to kill the president. Do you think maybe the CIA might want to keep him somewhat involved in their work on that case and others involving that terrorist organization going forward?
 
'shadyridr said:
'Sconch said:
'shadyridr said:
Anybody starting to think maybe Brody isnt a terrorist cell? I mean theyre taking a really long time to drop the bomb, which I like but that would be pretty interesting.
Ummmmmmmmm...
yes?
I think the point that Officer Pete was trying to make was that the whole premise of the show is we don't know if Brody is or isn't really the turned POW. They spent several episodes dropping little clues that would indicate that he was turned. Then they "drop the bomb" in the last episode that he probably isn't. Of course that could all be a ploy as well.
Actually I thought the whole premise of the show is that Brody WAS a terrorist. Now that that angle of the show is gone whats the point of Brody even being on it anymore.
Yeah, no.
 

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