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Houston Texans In season Thread 2010 (1 Viewer)
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GregR_2
Footballguy
Great article about Bum Phillips and having his son coach against his city's team. I really liked the part about the city turning out for the Oiler's pep rally after the team had lost their playoff game.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7213525.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7213525.html
GregR_2
Footballguy
I think it could play a role in how he does against Dallas, but I think there's still some reason to be uncertain there. The Texans could help out Butler with Daniels, with Dreesen in 2 TE sets (assuming Daniels is up to playing all the snaps now), with Foster, or with Weaver in sets with the FB. So Daniels may still get out on plenty of pass routes.I imagine the Texans may also move the pocket away from Demarcus Ware, as well as try to run the ball more than they did against the Redskins. I also wouldn't be surprised to see some more screens than in the first 2 games to keep Ware from being able to pin back his ears on pass rushes.It's just hard to say between all of those options what it's going to come down to. If anything I'd probably be looking to start Daniels this week if I owned him, as I think the Cowboys will probably try to double up on Andre, and after the week 2 that Kevin Walter had and the week 1 that Foster had, Daniels may be the guy they overlook too much.
Horrible performance today from the Offense and the Defense wasn't a whole lot better.
Couldn't punch it in on 4 tries from the half yard line, couldn't protect Schaub from the pass rush on 3rd down, couldn't move the ball, Andre nicked up again. Would like to see an instant replay of the 2nd INT, I couldn't tell live at the game if it was Schuab over throwing AJ or if AJ came up short because he was hobbled or if it was both. Foster fumbling the ball away was more icing on the cake.
Defense couldn't get pressure on Romo. Kareem Jackson stumbled and the safety was late coming to help, letting Roy run for that long last TD that put a comeback mostly out of reach. Didn't seem to matter though, they weren't able to punch it in on the prior drive.
Saw a fight in the stands in the last few minutes. Surprisingly, it was two Dallas fans, one beating the crap out of the other.
Couldn't punch it in on 4 tries from the half yard line, couldn't protect Schaub from the pass rush on 3rd down, couldn't move the ball, Andre nicked up again. Would like to see an instant replay of the 2nd INT, I couldn't tell live at the game if it was Schuab over throwing AJ or if AJ came up short because he was hobbled or if it was both. Foster fumbling the ball away was more icing on the cake.
Defense couldn't get pressure on Romo. Kareem Jackson stumbled and the safety was late coming to help, letting Roy run for that long last TD that put a comeback mostly out of reach. Didn't seem to matter though, they weren't able to punch it in on the prior drive.
Saw a fight in the stands in the last few minutes. Surprisingly, it was two Dallas fans, one beating the crap out of the other.
coolnerd
Footballguy
D. Barber in for Eugene Wilson as starting FS.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7223762.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7223762.html
Texans new rules to limit tailgating
Kind of torn on this. I will agree that the Cowboys game was out of control, but I don't think this is the best way to address the crowds or the rowdiness. The tailgating experience has been excellent over the years and this seems like a case of letting a few bad apples spoil the fun for everybody else. Plus, I think issuing only 2,000 tailgating tickets is way too low. Those will probably sell out pretty quick for every game.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think this is a huge game for the Texans, and especially Gary Kubiak, this week. They had the high of beating the Colts and coming back from a 17 point deficit on the road, and then the low of losing to the Cowboys. If they go out to Oakland and lose a game they should win, then they will very much have
the feel of a mediocre, .500 team. If they can win this game, then they will be 3-1 with Cushing coming back next week, and looking good for the rest of the season.
the feel of a mediocre, .500 team. If they can win this game, then they will be 3-1 with Cushing coming back next week, and looking good for the rest of the season.
GrandpaRox
Footballguy
They are a mediocre team, they should be 1-2. Their secondary sucks and the defensive line cant get pressure on the QB. If they end up 8-8 I will be surprised. Other than Schaub, AJ and Foster on Offense. Pollard and Cushing on defense they have nothing special.I wish they had not won those final 4 games last year and Kubiak was gone, never did and never will like him as a coach, he holds them back and I absolutely hate his draft picks, WTF were they thinking when they drafted Tate? I was so hoping this would be the year but again, they dont have the players they need to win.
dhockster
Footballguy
I think the Texans have enough players to win, I think the question really comes down to the head coach and does he do enough every week to get his players in the right mindset to win every week. The defense really came on last year with the additions of Pollard and Cushing and they played an outstanding game against the Colts in week one. Offensively, assuming Foster is as good as he has shown in the last 6 games (last 3 last year and first 3 this year), the Texans can play with anybody. The Defense will be helped by bringing back Cushing after this week who is arguably their best defensive player. Yes, the secondary has been bad, but it should improve at least somewhat with Cushing coming back and Jackson getting more experience each week.I am not quite sure why you are so down on the Tate selection since it was not his fault he had a season ending injury. Do you think they should have addressed a different position where they took Tate, or did you think there was another RB they should have taken?Finally, you say Kubiak holds them back, but then you say they don't have the players they need to win. Who is more responsible for them being mediocre, the Coach or the players?
coolnerd
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coolnerd
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Pollard with an MRI on his shoulder on Monday...will provide linkage when available
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Nate
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
Without their best offensive player (Johnson), their best defensive player (Cushing), their starting LT, and their starting RB for the 1st quarter, I thought the Texans really played well yesterday. Yes, their defense is still allowing too much, but hopefully adding Cushing will have an exponential impact. Adding the rushing of Foster to their already potent passing attack has really turned them into an offensive power. They will make the playoffs this year.
The Jacket
Footballguy
Egregious thing to say. Juice can't hold Williams' J-strap.
dhockster
Footballguy
If Williams played with Cushing's motor, he would be one of the best of all time. Up until this year that has not been the case. I think he looked awesome inthe first two games, not so much in the last two.
As for Cushing, I don't think he will play any different from last year, but I easily could be wrong. My main rationale for saying he is their best defensive player is that they really didn't stop any one on defense until he came along last year. He, along with Pollard, bring them a toughness and an intensity that they have been lacking.
wormburner
Footballguy
If Owen Daniels can't physically return to stud TE status this year, any of you Houston homers think he'll be gone next year? Is Dreessen going to continue to pick up his targets this year and be worth picking up?
coolnerd
Footballguy
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports...nt/7238136.html
The availability of Andre Johnson, Mario Williams and Jacoby Jones will be “game-time” decisions Sunday, according to Texans head coach Gary Kubiak. But Johnson, recovering from a twice-sprained ankle, and Williams, who pulled a groin muscle in practice Thursday, said there’s no decision to made as far as they’re concerned.
The two Pro Bowlers intend to play against the New York Giants.
“I’ll be out there,” Johnson said. “I felt great running around today.”
Williams, calling his injury “a little boo-boo,” insisted, “If I can walk, there’s no way I’m going to miss the game. I’m going to ride until the wheels fall off. I’ll give it everything I’ve got.”
Johnson was uncomfortable with an ankle brace he was fitted with for Thursday’s practice but switched to a shorter, less restrictive one Friday that, he said, “allowed me to do the things I need to do.”
Quarterback Matt Schaub called Johnson’s optimism “awesome” and said he was “very excited” to be getting his favorite target back. In his three starts, Johnson had 19 catches for 266 yards and the spectacular touchdown reception that allowed the Texans to force overtime in their sudden-death victory over the Redskins.
Johnson “did his walk-through stuff” Friday, Kubiak said. “He’s obviously a lot further along. We didn’t feel good about him at all last week.”
The NFL’s leading receiver over the previous two seasons had sprained the ankle in the first half of the Washington game but returned after getting a pain-killing shot. He then got it wrenched again when he was tackled after a catch he made a week later against Dallas.
After Johnson was able to do little in practice last week, Kubiak concluded the prudent option would be to have him sit out against the Raiders. The Texans won anyway 34-27 but lost Jones to an unspecified injury to one of his calf muscles.
If Jones can’t go Sunday, David Anderson will be asked to pick up the slack at receiver and also, presumably, handle punt returns. Jones didn’t even attend practice Friday, staying in the training room to get treatment. He never surfaced in the locker room later to discuss how he felt and, although all three are listed as questionable, it would appear Jones is much more questionable than either Johnson or Williams.
Williams, whose five sacks are more than twice as many as he has had at the same juncture in any of his four previous seasons, was sent for a precautionary MRI Thursday after practice, but, Kubiak said, “everything looked fine.”
Though Williams had a groin issue during training camp, too, this injury, to the opposite muscle, is a new one. Asked which side was hurting and how the pain might limit him, he said: “I can’t tell you that, man. That’s like giving tips (to the Giants). I’ll be fine.
Questioned about Williams’ mobility, middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans insisted: “I’m not worried about Mario. He’s a tough guy. He’s fought through things before.” The Texans are, of course, getting outside linebacker Brian Cushing back from his four-game suspension and free safety Eugene Wilson will return from a hamstring injury that sidelined him against the Raiders. Asked whether Wilson or Troy Nolan, who had the Texans’ first two interceptions of the season in Oakland, would start, Kubiak said, “It doesn’t matter. They’re both going to play.”
The availability of Andre Johnson, Mario Williams and Jacoby Jones will be “game-time” decisions Sunday, according to Texans head coach Gary Kubiak. But Johnson, recovering from a twice-sprained ankle, and Williams, who pulled a groin muscle in practice Thursday, said there’s no decision to made as far as they’re concerned.
The two Pro Bowlers intend to play against the New York Giants.
“I’ll be out there,” Johnson said. “I felt great running around today.”
Williams, calling his injury “a little boo-boo,” insisted, “If I can walk, there’s no way I’m going to miss the game. I’m going to ride until the wheels fall off. I’ll give it everything I’ve got.”
Johnson was uncomfortable with an ankle brace he was fitted with for Thursday’s practice but switched to a shorter, less restrictive one Friday that, he said, “allowed me to do the things I need to do.”
Quarterback Matt Schaub called Johnson’s optimism “awesome” and said he was “very excited” to be getting his favorite target back. In his three starts, Johnson had 19 catches for 266 yards and the spectacular touchdown reception that allowed the Texans to force overtime in their sudden-death victory over the Redskins.
Johnson “did his walk-through stuff” Friday, Kubiak said. “He’s obviously a lot further along. We didn’t feel good about him at all last week.”
The NFL’s leading receiver over the previous two seasons had sprained the ankle in the first half of the Washington game but returned after getting a pain-killing shot. He then got it wrenched again when he was tackled after a catch he made a week later against Dallas.
After Johnson was able to do little in practice last week, Kubiak concluded the prudent option would be to have him sit out against the Raiders. The Texans won anyway 34-27 but lost Jones to an unspecified injury to one of his calf muscles.
If Jones can’t go Sunday, David Anderson will be asked to pick up the slack at receiver and also, presumably, handle punt returns. Jones didn’t even attend practice Friday, staying in the training room to get treatment. He never surfaced in the locker room later to discuss how he felt and, although all three are listed as questionable, it would appear Jones is much more questionable than either Johnson or Williams.
Williams, whose five sacks are more than twice as many as he has had at the same juncture in any of his four previous seasons, was sent for a precautionary MRI Thursday after practice, but, Kubiak said, “everything looked fine.”
Though Williams had a groin issue during training camp, too, this injury, to the opposite muscle, is a new one. Asked which side was hurting and how the pain might limit him, he said: “I can’t tell you that, man. That’s like giving tips (to the Giants). I’ll be fine.
Questioned about Williams’ mobility, middle linebacker DeMeco Ryans insisted: “I’m not worried about Mario. He’s a tough guy. He’s fought through things before.” The Texans are, of course, getting outside linebacker Brian Cushing back from his four-game suspension and free safety Eugene Wilson will return from a hamstring injury that sidelined him against the Raiders. Asked whether Wilson or Troy Nolan, who had the Texans’ first two interceptions of the season in Oakland, would start, Kubiak said, “It doesn’t matter. They’re both going to play.”
GregR said:
I'm officially worried. Kansas City, then the bye, but then @Indy on MNF, SD, @ Jax, @ Jets, Tenn, @ Philly, Baltimore, @ Tenn. Every one of those teams except SD has a winning record right now. 
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
saw this blurb and wanted to know what ya'll though as I am sizing up trading for KC D v HOU this week, as this is consistently one of the smartest, yet realistic/grounded of the 'team' threads.
curious as to yoiur take on the O line and if it's injuries/woes are what caused the poor offensive output last week.
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jamil
Footballguy
It was talked about on sportsradio (1560 the game) here that the reason the Giants looked so good was because of their backup QB. Rosenfels was said to show them exactly how the Texans O operates. Take that fwiw. The Chiefs D is for real anyway so I would go ahead and just plug them in.saw this blurb and wanted to know what ya'll though as I am sizing up trading for KC D v HOU this week, as this is consistently one of the smartest, yet realistic/grounded of the 'team' threads.
curious as to yoiur take on the O line and if it's injuries/woes are what caused the poor offensive output last week.
Neon Archie
Footballguy
A large part of the Texan's offensive problems have been Matt Schaub. This season he is holding the ball longer. Not sure why exactly. Might be AJ's injury doesn't allow him to separate. Might be Jacoby Jones not being in the lineup. One could argue that Jones has more influence on AJ than Schaub....Jones is essential for spreading the field and demanding extra coverage...his speed and developed receiving skills can't be ingored any more.
The line has looked like crap and has been beaten. The D Brown suspension hasn't helped and now the starting right G (Brisiel) is out. But Schaub has to help, and he has to make quicker reads and decisions.
Chiefs D might be a sleeper play. They have talent, and I'm sure confidence as well. Flowers is playing out of his mind. Interesting to see if he matches up with AJ and how he does. If he is able to contain him it might be a big day for the Texans TEs. Cassel sucks as bad as the Texan's secondary. Might be a game decided on the ground and a low scoring affair.
The line has looked like crap and has been beaten. The D Brown suspension hasn't helped and now the starting right G (Brisiel) is out. But Schaub has to help, and he has to make quicker reads and decisions.
Chiefs D might be a sleeper play. They have talent, and I'm sure confidence as well. Flowers is playing out of his mind. Interesting to see if he matches up with AJ and how he does. If he is able to contain him it might be a big day for the Texans TEs. Cassel sucks as bad as the Texan's secondary. Might be a game decided on the ground and a low scoring affair.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
With the banged up line - what do you see in store for Foster?
The Jacket
Footballguy
Flowers won't shadow AJ FWIW. He plays almost exclusively LCB. And the Chiefs #2 corner, Carr, is a bigger guy who over the last couple years has done reasonably well against the taller receivers. Their nickel is a midget rookie but has been solid so far.
Two top-50-selected rookie corners in this game:
Snaps Tgt Rec Comp% Avg TD INT PD Rat AgainstK. Jackson 326/348 44 29 65.9 14.7 2 1 3 103.0D. McCourty 277/277 24 15 62.5 10.0 3 0 3 119.8K. Wilson 228/341 31 16 51.6 13.4 1 0 4 84.7P. Cox 222/319 29 15 51.7 12.3 3 1 6 91.9J. Arenas 119/283 22 12 54.5 10.0 0 0 2 70.3J. Haden 113/264 13 8 61.5 13.8 1 0 2 114.3
Texans will be OK in the air if they can do one thing: block Tamba Hali. That's all they've got to do. He's been a beast thus far but is KC's only pass rush presence. If not for him I think Manning goes for 300/3 rather than the 230/0 or whatever it was.
Two top-50-selected rookie corners in this game:
Snaps Tgt Rec Comp% Avg TD INT PD Rat AgainstK. Jackson 326/348 44 29 65.9 14.7 2 1 3 103.0D. McCourty 277/277 24 15 62.5 10.0 3 0 3 119.8K. Wilson 228/341 31 16 51.6 13.4 1 0 4 84.7P. Cox 222/319 29 15 51.7 12.3 3 1 6 91.9J. Arenas 119/283 22 12 54.5 10.0 0 0 2 70.3J. Haden 113/264 13 8 61.5 13.8 1 0 2 114.3
Texans will be OK in the air if they can do one thing: block Tamba Hali. That's all they've got to do. He's been a beast thus far but is KC's only pass rush presence. If not for him I think Manning goes for 300/3 rather than the 230/0 or whatever it was.
jsharlan
Footballguy
In fairness Brisiel isnt so much the starter, he was on a rotation with Caldwell already. Caldwell won't be a downgrade going full time imo. Also the giants defensive front is really good, so I don't know if our offensive line is having 'woes' so much as they were just outplayed by a better unit. I think now that Owen Daniels is nearly at 100%, they need to help Schaub get the ball out faster with more two tight end sets and intermediate passes.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Nate
Footballguy
GregR_2
Footballguy
I was thinking the other day how quiet I've been in general about the Texans. It's almost like I'm afraid I'm going to jinx them if I talk about them too much, you know?I can't figure out which team is going to show up at any given game.
jamil
Footballguy
2-0 against the colts. lock it down boys.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Yeah, we've had a long road of mostly low points and disappointment since we got a team so I try to keep my expectations low. That way they don't come crashing down around me anymore. The defense is horrible and 2 of our wins were come from behind close ones. I imagine most people think we aren't as good as our record indicates.
That being said, with the Colts so beat up, I think we've got a good chance to go into Indy and do something we've never done before, which is beat the Colts both times in the same year. I also like our chances against San Diego the following week. What does worry me are the Jets, Ravens & Eagles. And mainly that the Cowboys & Giants destroyed us, and yet the Titans managed to beat them both.
That being said, with the Colts so beat up, I think we've got a good chance to go into Indy and do something we've never done before, which is beat the Colts both times in the same year. I also like our chances against San Diego the following week. What does worry me are the Jets, Ravens & Eagles. And mainly that the Cowboys & Giants destroyed us, and yet the Titans managed to beat them both.
jsharlan
Footballguy
I never expected to sweep the Colts this year, but at least try to be competitive. That was a piss poor excuse for a game plan. Their pass rush is killing your offensive line and your running back is averaging over 6 ypc, do you:
a) run the ball until they stop it and keep Manning on the sidelines
or
b) keep trying to air it out while your QB looks like a timid child and you convert zero third downs
Easy choice for Kubiak I see. What an embarrassment on national tv.
a) run the ball until they stop it and keep Manning on the sidelines
or
b) keep trying to air it out while your QB looks like a timid child and you convert zero third downs
Easy choice for Kubiak I see. What an embarrassment on national tv.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I agree the lack of commitment to the run was a downfall in this game. I think the perfect game plan for the first few series would have been run Foster on 1st and 2nd down, and on 3rd if it's 3rd and short... and only pass the ball on 3rd and long or when the running game isn't getting it done. Because from what I saw, Foster was moving the ball all night long, and series were ending because they tried to throw and got sacked or hurried.
There was one other blaring thing about the game which has been bugging me for the last few weeks. But Steve Young mentioned it and so now I'm feeling it isn't just me thinking this. The Texans have the easiest, vanilla-ist defense to read and it's killing them. They don't disguise things. They don't require a lot of preparation to know what they are going to do on D. They show you what they are going to do presnap and then they stick with it.
I realize Cushing is having to take over for Demeco and that might have played some role, but I felt that way when Demeco was in there too. As Young put it, when you play the Texans D there is no element like you face with the Jets or Ravens or other teams like that where it's a constant struggle to figure out what the D is doing.
I've stuck by Kubiak for awhile. I believe in giving a coach time as long as he continues to make some positive progress. But I'm fed up with how easy I think they are making it on the opposition.
There was one other blaring thing about the game which has been bugging me for the last few weeks. But Steve Young mentioned it and so now I'm feeling it isn't just me thinking this. The Texans have the easiest, vanilla-ist defense to read and it's killing them. They don't disguise things. They don't require a lot of preparation to know what they are going to do on D. They show you what they are going to do presnap and then they stick with it.
I realize Cushing is having to take over for Demeco and that might have played some role, but I felt that way when Demeco was in there too. As Young put it, when you play the Texans D there is no element like you face with the Jets or Ravens or other teams like that where it's a constant struggle to figure out what the D is doing.
I've stuck by Kubiak for awhile. I believe in giving a coach time as long as he continues to make some positive progress. But I'm fed up with how easy I think they are making it on the opposition.
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Awful game plan, agreed. Didn't help they played right into Indy's strong suit, let them get (or in our case, give them) an early lead so Mathis & Freeney can just tee off on Schaub the rest of the night.
I'll be blown away if we somehow make the playoffs this year so it likely means bye bye Kubiak. Probably only a matter of another couple of games before they fire Frank Bush first. Have no idea who we'd hire to replace our coaching staff though. I hate the idea of having to start over with a new offensive or defensive scheme and retooling personnel.
Sad that I'm already starting to think about next year's draft when we're 4-3.
I'll be blown away if we somehow make the playoffs this year so it likely means bye bye Kubiak. Probably only a matter of another couple of games before they fire Frank Bush first. Have no idea who we'd hire to replace our coaching staff though. I hate the idea of having to start over with a new offensive or defensive scheme and retooling personnel.
Sad that I'm already starting to think about next year's draft when we're 4-3.
High Speed Reject
Footballguy
I think what is most disappointing, is to see regression of some the legitimate defensive players--Ryans (pre-injury), Mario, Pollard, what we've seen of Cushing (even in a new role) all seem to have taken a step back. The overall defensive scheme lacks any semblance of aggression--where's the blitz?Oh, and I hope Jacoby Jones is not on this team next year. He is terrible.Bring in Randy Moss--seriously. This team needs to start taking some risks.
Looking more and more likely to my eyes that we let both Jacoby & Daniel's walk in the offseason (although their market value's for their next contracts are declining rapidly.) If so, that leaves a large hole in the offense that could be filled by an early pick on a WR.I have no idea how we will fix the secondary. Spend another high pick on a DB? Overpay for an aging Champ? Pray that Oakland lets Asomugha walk?High Speed Reject said:
GregR_2
Footballguy
I'm fine with watching Jacoby walk. Most times I see the ball is going to him I cringe and wait for the drop, or the bobble that the defense will get a shot at picking off.
Hopefully they can re-sign Daniels at a discount. I think he may just need more time to get confidence in his knee.
Hopefully they can re-sign Daniels at a discount. I think he may just need more time to get confidence in his knee.
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THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
any chance we take a shot at "Lights Oit" S.Merriman?
atlleast for depth if he cant start right now, Next yr you can have Cushin Merriman and Ryans at lb.
atlleast for depth if he cant start right now, Next yr you can have Cushin Merriman and Ryans at lb.
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