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Houston vs Jacksonville game thread (1 Viewer)

Come on Texans...this could be a franchise-changing loss. Number 11 in our quest for 14 in a row might be the toughest
It's one thing to have fan loyalty when your team is on the rocks, but it's messed up to be actively rooting for your team to tank. I probably joked about it myself in the Raider thread this preason. But never really meant it. I hope you aren't being sincere here.
Im dead serious....it does the franchise no good to get false hope this season. All that will do is make McNair rethink things and god forbid retain Kubiak. To get this owner to make a change we have to completely bottom out. I dont care about the pick necessarily, I just hate this regime and want a house cleaning. We arent ever going to win big with this guy and he has been here far too long. Honestly now I watch with indifference but I dont mind if we look terrible because the best thing long term is a new regime. Maybe Im a bad fan but I think its worse to keep blindly putting your faith in something that will never deliver what you want...a championship

 
Come on Texans...this could be a franchise-changing loss. Number 11 in our quest for 14 in a row might be the toughest
It's one thing to have fan loyalty when your team is on the rocks, but it's messed up to be actively rooting for your team to tank. I probably joked about it myself in the Raider thread this preason. But never really meant it. I hope you aren't being sincere here.
Im dead serious....it does the franchise no good to get false hope this season. All that will do is make McNair rethink things and god forbid retain Kubiak. To get this owner to make a change we have to completely bottom out. I dont care about the pick necessarily, I just hate this regime and want a house cleaning. We arent ever going to win big with this guy and he has been here far too long. Honestly now I watch with indifference but I dont mind if we look terrible because the best thing long term is a new regime. Maybe Im a bad fan but I think its worse to keep blindly putting your faith in something that will never deliver what you want...a championship
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I'll come right out and admit I was actively rooting against my Birds the last few weeks of last season. I think about how bright the team's future appears right now, then I think about what it would look like if Andy Reid had somehow managed to eke out 8 wins and another year's stay of execution from his 2012 squad, and it reminds me that I'd do it all again 100 times out of 100.

If my choices are years of consistent mediocrity, or a raging dumpster fire that prompts a complete housecleaning, give me a book of matches any day IMO.

 
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...

 
Considering Keenum over Rodgers/Eli assuming Rodgers is out and in 2QB over Kap due to matchup. It's tough to pull the trigger though.

 
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...
The only thing funnier than the NFL putting this pairing in prime time in the first place was scheduling it for the first week after most fantasy regular seasons end, thus ensuring that half its already meager audience wouldn't even have that reason to bother watching.

 
Mr. Brownstone said:
Raider Nation said:
omally said:
Seriously, someone please contact Elias Sports Bureau to determine if this is the worst prime time game ever played.
Football is football. This could end up being an entertaining game. I'm actually curious to see Jacksonville play. I think they are the only team I haven't seen play on tv this year.
You aren't missing much. Staggering lack of talent. When Henne is off, you have to shield your eyes. Tough to watch.
You're dead to me.
:lol:

I notice you didn't say I was WRONG!
I didn't :kicksrock:
 
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...
The only thing funnier than the NFL putting this pairing in prime time in the first place was scheduling it for the first week after most fantasy regular seasons end, thus ensuring that half its already meager audience wouldn't even have that reason to bother watching.
Houston won 12 games last year.

 
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...
The only thing funnier than the NFL putting this pairing in prime time in the first place was scheduling it for the first week after most fantasy regular seasons end, thus ensuring that half its already meager audience wouldn't even have that reason to bother watching.
Houston won 12 games last year.
Well, yeah, but that just proves my point. At what stage did someone think in the offseason, "Yeah, Jags-Texans, that'll be a real barnburner!" Before Week 1, this game had 41-3 written all over it.

Houston ####ting the bed may have made it more competitive, but at the expense of hoping for anything even remotely related to good football.

Memo to NFLN: if every team must have a Thursday game, get the bad teams out of the way earlier in the season, before everyone realizes just how bad they'll be.

 
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...
The only thing funnier than the NFL putting this pairing in prime time in the first place was scheduling it for the first week after most fantasy regular seasons end, thus ensuring that half its already meager audience wouldn't even have that reason to bother watching.
Houston won 12 games last year.
Well, yeah, but that just proves my point. At what stage did someone think in the offseason, "Yeah, Jags-Texans, that'll be a real barnburner!" Before Week 1, this game had 41-3 written all over it.

Houston ####ting the bed may have made it more competitive, but at the expense of hoping for anything even remotely related to good football.

Memo to NFLN: if every team must have a Thursday game, get the bad teams out of the way earlier in the season, before everyone realizes just how bad they'll be.
KC was 2-14 last year. Detroit and Philadelphia were 4-12. Atlanta was 13-3. Trying to predict which teams will be good or bad in week 14, when you're making up the schedule before the NFL draft has even happened, is at best an inexact science. It's a divisional game, it could have been important.

 
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...
I keep coming back to MJD as a possible start. He scored in 4 straight games, his PT per game is rising increasingly since about week 6. He had a great game against HOU just a couple weeks ago.

On paper he looks like RB ~15ish in PPR,

Personally comparing him with Andre Brown, who had a terrible game against WASH and faces underrated run DEF @ SD.

My gut says safe bet is MJD, but U may roll with the experts on it anyway. I'm not so sure there is that much that separates RB 8 and RB 15lll

 
Thoughts about Garrett Graham in this game, he has been getting a feast of targets over the last 3 weeks.

While he may not be blowing up week after week, he did have a monster game just three weeks ago and is going against a bad Jaguars D.

Yes, I am in need of a TE and am rolling Green or Cook, ugh.

 
Thinking of snagging Jacksonville's D for the playoffs here. Week 14 vs Houston and 16 vs. Tennessee.
I stated this earlier in the thread but JAC is a very bad home team. If you compare and contrast PF and PA at home vs. away it's obvious. From a fantasy standpoint (over the second half of the season) they've put up 12 @DEN, 20 @TEN, 12 @HOU and 14 @CLE last week. Home? They put up 1, 2 and 3 points vs. SFO, SDG and ARI respectively. Counting on this trend, JAC won me my match-up last week.

The game two weeks ago was likely a outlier and in the midst of it all HOU was still getting legitimate pressure on Henne; all that was missing were the turnovers. HOU is the play here, not JAC.

 
Come on Texans...this could be a franchise-changing loss. Number 11 in our quest for 14 in a row might be the toughest
It's one thing to have fan loyalty when your team is on the rocks, but it's messed up to be actively rooting for your team to tank. I probably joked about it myself in the Raider thread this preason. But never really meant it. I hope you aren't being sincere here.
Im dead serious....it does the franchise no good to get false hope this season. All that will do is make McNair rethink things and god forbid retain Kubiak. To get this owner to make a change we have to completely bottom out. I dont care about the pick necessarily, I just hate this regime and want a house cleaning. We arent ever going to win big with this guy and he has been here far too long. Honestly now I watch with indifference but I dont mind if we look terrible because the best thing long term is a new regime. Maybe Im a bad fan but I think its worse to keep blindly putting your faith in something that will never deliver what you want...a championship
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I'll come right out and admit I was actively rooting against my Birds the last few weeks of last season.
I don't exactly stand up and cheer when the Raiders gets scored on, but let's just say if they end up losing games late in a lost season, I'm not shedding any tears. A better draft pick in each round increases your chances of finding better players, so in essence, you are rooting for your team.... in the future. :shrug:

 
Come on Texans...this could be a franchise-changing loss. Number 11 in our quest for 14 in a row might be the toughest
It's one thing to have fan loyalty when your team is on the rocks, but it's messed up to be actively rooting for your team to tank. I probably joked about it myself in the Raider thread this preason. But never really meant it. I hope you aren't being sincere here.
Im dead serious....it does the franchise no good to get false hope this season. All that will do is make McNair rethink things and god forbid retain Kubiak. To get this owner to make a change we have to completely bottom out. I dont care about the pick necessarily, I just hate this regime and want a house cleaning. We arent ever going to win big with this guy and he has been here far too long. Honestly now I watch with indifference but I dont mind if we look terrible because the best thing long term is a new regime. Maybe Im a bad fan but I think its worse to keep blindly putting your faith in something that will never deliver what you want...a championship
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I'll come right out and admit I was actively rooting against my Birds the last few weeks of last season.
I don't exactly stand up and cheer when the Raiders gets scored on, but let's just say if they end up losing games late in a lost season, I'm not shedding any tears. A better draft pick in each round increases your chances of finding better players, so in essence, you are rooting for your team.... in the future. :shrug:
commitment to excellence!

 
Come on Texans...this could be a franchise-changing loss. Number 11 in our quest for 14 in a row might be the toughest
It's one thing to have fan loyalty when your team is on the rocks, but it's messed up to be actively rooting for your team to tank. I probably joked about it myself in the Raider thread this preason. But never really meant it. I hope you aren't being sincere here.
Im dead serious....it does the franchise no good to get false hope this season. All that will do is make McNair rethink things and god forbid retain Kubiak. To get this owner to make a change we have to completely bottom out. I dont care about the pick necessarily, I just hate this regime and want a house cleaning. We arent ever going to win big with this guy and he has been here far too long. Honestly now I watch with indifference but I dont mind if we look terrible because the best thing long term is a new regime. Maybe Im a bad fan but I think its worse to keep blindly putting your faith in something that will never deliver what you want...a championship
As a lifelong Eagles fan, I'll come right out and admit I was actively rooting against my Birds the last few weeks of last season.
I don't exactly stand up and cheer when the Raiders gets scored on, but let's just say if they end up losing games late in a lost season, I'm not shedding any tears. A better draft pick in each round increases your chances of finding better players, so in essence, you are rooting for your team.... in the future. :shrug:
commitment to excellence!
It'll be fun when Brady retires and you won't be able to get a Pats fan to post here if you had a fistful of $50 bills.

 
Can you feel the excitement? Mike and Mike this morning literally spent less than 30 seconds talking about the game saying the two teams stink. Instead they're talking about tonight's matchup between the Nets (5-13) and Knicks (3-13).

 
SameSongNDance said:
Sabertooth said:
Thinking of snagging Jacksonville's D for the playoffs here. Week 14 vs Houston and 16 vs. Tennessee.
I stated this earlier in the thread but JAC is a very bad home team. If you compare and contrast PF and PA at home vs. away it's obvious. From a fantasy standpoint (over the second half of the season) they've put up 12 @DEN, 20 @TEN, 12 @HOU and 14 @CLE last week. Home? They put up 1, 2 and 3 points vs. SFO, SDG and ARI respectively. Counting on this trend, JAC won me my match-up last week.

The game two weeks ago was likely a outlier and in the midst of it all HOU was still getting legitimate pressure on Henne; all that was missing were the turnovers. HOU is the play here, not JAC.
I appreciate the research here, and won't ignore the trends you mention. Just curious why you think the game a couple of weeks ago was an outlier? It was the same Jags scorching up the Houston defense a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the game plan will be different, and the Houston defense will have a lessons learned file to go to. Maybe a bit of revenge. Again, I'm not calling BS on you, and it may be an outlier. Please unpack the reasoning or hunch behind that statement.

Also, if we are looking at the home and away splits, it's important to note that the Jaguars were gawd awful the first half of this season. Let's not forget the Bill Simmons piece noting the best thing about the Jaguars was their mascot. That they did were not within a score of their opponents in the fourth quarter in any of the first 8 games. This team was abysmal. They are now playing a lot better than some of the 5 and 6 win teams out there. I don't trust that data set of home and away splits to point to a case for starting the Houston defense or benching them.

 
Houston turmOiler said:
thriftyrocker said:
Considering Keenum over Rodgers/Eli assuming Rodgers is out and in 2QB over Kap due to matchup. It's tough to pull the trigger though.
Keenum burned me two weeks ago against Jacksonville...Agree tough to put him in
On paper Keenum doesn't look like a TERRIBLE QB outside of the JAX game. Can a HOU fan explain what happened that week? Likely to happen again? Dodds has Keenum ranked relatively high (17th with 280yd, 1.5TD/1.0 INT). Lots of Rodger's owners will need to have to decide today to fish with Keenum or cut bait.

 
Jags defense has played much better in recent weeks.

Part of it is because Gratz is back at CB and that gives them 3 corners with decent size (Gratz, Alan Ball, Will Blackmon).

Part of it is because Sen'derrick Marks has played like a man possessed the last few weeks. He's been that disruptive force in the middle they hoped Alualu would have been (before he screwed his knee up).

Part of it s because, frankly, the schedule just got easier. First half of the season was brutal with AFC West and NFC West teams.

One problem tonight is that Josh Evans is out at FS and they'll be starting Winston Guy. I hope that doesn't mean that we'll see more Chris Prosinski.

 
Will Blackmon is still playing in the NFL? Good for him. Didn't realize that. I always liked him but he couldn't stay healthy in Green Bay.

 
Houston turmOiler said:
thriftyrocker said:
Considering Keenum over Rodgers/Eli assuming Rodgers is out and in 2QB over Kap due to matchup. It's tough to pull the trigger though.
Keenum burned me two weeks ago against Jacksonville...Agree tough to put him in
On paper Keenum doesn't look like a TERRIBLE QB outside of the JAX game. Can a HOU fan explain what happened that week? Likely to happen again? Dodds has Keenum ranked relatively high (17th with 280yd, 1.5TD/1.0 INT). Lots of Rodger's owners will need to have to decide today to fish with Keenum or cut bait.
I think part of it is because the Jags play their corners up on the line and don't give the WR a free release. Keenum really doesn't have a ton of zip on the ball to fit it into a tight window. And the Jags also learned from the tape that pressuring Keenum is the way to go..

 
Jags in a snoozer, 17-13.

Houston has transformed into a team that just finds a way to lose.

Jax DST gets 3 TOs, 3 sacks. Maybe it's taking on a Gus Bradley quality finally...

 
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Raiderfan32904 said:
Houston turmOiler said:
Come on Texans...this could be a franchise-changing loss. Number 11 in our quest for 14 in a row might be the toughest
It's one thing to have fan loyalty when your team is on the rocks, but it's messed up to be actively rooting for your team to tank. I probably joked about it myself in the Raider thread this preason. But never really meant it. I hope you aren't being sincere here.
I don't think you understand the situation in Houston. They absolutely have to tank horribly in flames for McNair to fire Kubiak and his boys. If there is any kind of end of season run, any kind of moral victory, there is a major risk of the soft hearted McNair not pulling the trigger. Texans fans have to hope for total meltdown.

 
Houston turmOiler said:
thriftyrocker said:
Considering Keenum over Rodgers/Eli assuming Rodgers is out and in 2QB over Kap due to matchup. It's tough to pull the trigger though.
Keenum burned me two weeks ago against Jacksonville...Agree tough to put him in
On paper Keenum doesn't look like a TERRIBLE QB outside of the JAX game. Can a HOU fan explain what happened that week? Likely to happen again? Dodds has Keenum ranked relatively high (17th with 280yd, 1.5TD/1.0 INT). Lots of Rodger's owners will need to have to decide today to fish with Keenum or cut bait.
I think part of it is because the Jags play their corners up on the line and don't give the WR a free release. Keenum really doesn't have a ton of zip on the ball to fit it into a tight window. And the Jags also learned from the tape that pressuring Keenum is the way to go..
For those of us in 2QB / superflex leagues Keenum is a big question mark. I'm most formats qbs still score the most points as compared with WR or TE - and Keenum has a very high demonstrated ceiling, but obvious concerns and risk as well. The Jags shut him down - was that an anomaly or do they know how to pressure and rattle the young QB?For those of us with a low #2 RB option or worse or Keenum its a tough choice.

 
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K, people must of missed it earlier, I'll ask again...

Anyone rolling with Graham, and what do you think his production could be. I'm hoping from insight from the Texan fans.

 
Jags defense has played much better in recent weeks.

Part of it is because Gratz is back at CB and that gives them 3 corners with decent size (Gratz, Alan Ball, Will Blackmon).

Part of it is because Sen'derrick Marks has played like a man possessed the last few weeks. He's been that disruptive force in the middle they hoped Alualu would have been (before he screwed his knee up).

Part of it s because, frankly, the schedule just got easier. First half of the season was brutal with AFC West and NFC West teams.

One problem tonight is that Josh Evans is out at FS and they'll be starting Winston Guy. I hope that doesn't mean that we'll see more Chris Prosinski.
I agree about gratz, but I'm pretty sure blackmon's been out

 
This just makes me laugh... How the Jaguars Make the Playoffs

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The Jaguars are still alive in the hunt for the playoffs.

Don’t laugh.

Not only that, but there’s a scenario in which the Jaguars eke in as the AFC’s No. 6 seed
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-- and the scenario isn’t as far-fetched as you would think.

OK, get up off the floor.

Seriously, though. It could happen. It’s highly, highly unlikely because the Jaguars would need a lot of help, but there’s one scenario that actually seems plausible, provided there’s an upset or two.

How did I figure this out? I used ESPN’s Playoff Machine, which allows you to play with the results of the season’s remaining games to see how it would affect the playoff seedings. You can chose home teams to win every game, road teams to win every game, the team with the better offense to win every game … or you can pick individual games.

That’s what I did, and if things fall a certain way, the Jaguars would be playing the No. 3 seed Colts in a wild-card game in Indianapolis.

The Jaguars (3-9) obviously have to win their remaining games against Houston, Buffalo, Tennessee and Indianapolis. Without that happening, everything is moot.

The Jaguars’ main competitors are the N.Y. Jets (5-7), Miami Dolphins (6-6), Buffalo Bills (4-8), Cincinnati Bengals (8-4), Pittsburgh Steelers (5-7), Cleveland Browns (4-8), San Diego Chargers (5-7) and Oakland Raiders (4-8).

Here’s a breakdown of what else has to happen:

Week 14 (* denotes home team)

Denver* beats Tennessee

New England* beats Cleveland

Oakland beats New York Jets*

New York Giants beat San Diego*

Miami beats Pittsburgh*

Tampa Bay* beats Buffalo

The breakdown: There are a couple of upsets involving teams flying cross-country. The Raiders seem the more likely winner considering the mess the Jets have at quarterback. The Bills aren’t much better at that position, so losing at home to the Bucs, who do seem settled there, isn’t a stretch.

Week 15

Denver* beats San Diego

Kansas City beats Oakland*

Chicago beats Cleveland*

Carolina* beats Jets

New England beats Miami*

Arizona beats Tennessee*

Cincinnati beats Pittsburgh*

Detroit* beats Baltimore

The breakdown: Each of the victorious teams is better than the teams they beat, although the Browns are a better team with Jason Campbell starting at quarterback. New England, Kansas City and Carolina are the key games.

Week 16

Buffalo* beats Miami

Minnesota beats Cincinnati*

Jets* beat Cleveland

Green Bay* beats Pittsburgh

Oakland beats San Diego*

New England beats Baltimore*

The breakdown: This is the most unlikely week for the Jaguars. Buffalo and Oakland victories are highly unlikely. If the games the previous weeks work out as planned, the Bills, Raiders and Patriots have to win, or the Jaguars won’t make the playoffs.

Week 17

Cincinnati* beats Baltimore

Cleveland beats Pittsburgh*

Denver beats Oakland*

Houston beats Tennessee*

Jets beat Miami*

Kansas City beats San Diego*

The breakdown: The unlikeliest of results has to happen: The Texans have to beat the host Titans. Houston is riding a 10-game losing streak heading into this week’s game against the Jaguars. Will Texans players be checked out by the final week, just trying to get this nightmare of a season over with? The Jets going into Miami and winning is unlikely, too.
 
K, people must of missed it earlier, I'll ask again...

Anyone rolling with Graham, and what do you think his production could be. I'm hoping from insight from the Texan fans.
IIRC, Jax is pretty bad against the TE.

Graham should have a good game, as should Andre Johnson.

Which is why I am strongly debating Keenum, because of the receivers do well, so should the QB, assuming Keenum stays in there. Risk and upside everywhere makes for difficult decisions.

 
Here's the rundown of TE's vesus Jacksonville.

They are not bad at all. Look at the last three weeks when they have been playing better.

Zero tds for the TE's & They don't give up a ton of yards either!

Graham is no lock for points even though he has been getting targets. :2cents:

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[SIZE=small]Jordan Cameron[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]13[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]43[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4.3[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Ryan Griffin[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]12[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]37[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3.7[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Garrett Graham[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]12[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]32[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3.2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Rob Housler[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]11[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]6[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]70[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]7[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Jake Ballard[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]11[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]29[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2.9[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Jim Dray[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]11[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]18[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1.8[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Delanie Walker[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]10[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]62[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]12.2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Taylor Thompson[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]10[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]9[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]6.9[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Craig Stevens[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]10[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]6[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0.6[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Vernon Davis[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]8[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]52[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]11.2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Ladarius Green[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]7[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]40[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Antonio Gates[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]7[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]6[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]31[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3.1[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]John Phillips[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]7[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0.5[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Julius Thomas[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]6[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]22[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]8.2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Lance Kendricks[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]37[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]9.7[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Jared Cook[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]26[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2.6[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Cory Harkey[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]17[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1.7[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Coby Fleener[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]77[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]13.7[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Dominique Jones[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]4[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]21[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2.1[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Zach Miller[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]12.5[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Luke Willson[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]5[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]76[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]7.6[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Kellen Davis[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]31[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3.1[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Mychal Rivera[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]32[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]3.2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=small]Anthony Fasano[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]1[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]2[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]8[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0[/SIZE] [SIZE=small]0.8[/SIZE]

 
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CalBear said:
Mr. Irrelevant said:
CalBear said:
Mr. Irrelevant said:
JFS171 said:
So, outside the two DSTs, and the obvious (Andre, Mr. Shorts, Tate)... who else is considering starting someone in this game?

I'm debating Ace Sanders in a deep PPR... tough to commit to him, as he'll surely flop after I finally pull the trigger. My other options aren't great though (Nicks, Bolden, etc.).

Would make the game more interesting to watch if you've got someone rolling though...
The only thing funnier than the NFL putting this pairing in prime time in the first place was scheduling it for the first week after most fantasy regular seasons end, thus ensuring that half its already meager audience wouldn't even have that reason to bother watching.
Houston won 12 games last year.
Well, yeah, but that just proves my point. At what stage did someone think in the offseason, "Yeah, Jags-Texans, that'll be a real barnburner!" Before Week 1, this game had 41-3 written all over it.

Houston ####ting the bed may have made it more competitive, but at the expense of hoping for anything even remotely related to good football.

Memo to NFLN: if every team must have a Thursday game, get the bad teams out of the way earlier in the season, before everyone realizes just how bad they'll be.
KC was 2-14 last year. Detroit and Philadelphia were 4-12. Atlanta was 13-3. Trying to predict which teams will be good or bad in week 14, when you're making up the schedule before the NFL draft has even happened, is at best an inexact science. It's a divisional game, it could have been important.
KC made a coachig and QB change, lets hope Hou follows suit

 
SameSongNDance said:
Sabertooth said:
Thinking of snagging Jacksonville's D for the playoffs here. Week 14 vs Houston and 16 vs. Tennessee.
I stated this earlier in the thread but JAC is a very bad home team. If you compare and contrast PF and PA at home vs. away it's obvious. From a fantasy standpoint (over the second half of the season) they've put up 12 @DEN, 20 @TEN, 12 @HOU and 14 @CLE last week. Home? They put up 1, 2 and 3 points vs. SFO, SDG and ARI respectively. Counting on this trend, JAC won me my match-up last week.

The game two weeks ago was likely a outlier and in the midst of it all HOU was still getting legitimate pressure on Henne; all that was missing were the turnovers. HOU is the play here, not JAC.
I appreciate the research here, and won't ignore the trends you mention. Just curious why you think the game a couple of weeks ago was an outlier? It was the same Jags scorching up the Houston defense a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the game plan will be different, and the Houston defense will have a lessons learned file to go to. Maybe a bit of revenge. Again, I'm not calling BS on you, and it may be an outlier. Please unpack the reasoning or hunch behind that statement.

Also, if we are looking at the home and away splits, it's important to note that the Jaguars were gawd awful the first half of this season. Let's not forget the Bill Simmons piece noting the best thing about the Jaguars was their mascot. That they did were not within a score of their opponents in the fourth quarter in any of the first 8 games. This team was abysmal. They are now playing a lot better than some of the 5 and 6 win teams out there. I don't trust that data set of home and away splits to point to a case for starting the Houston defense or benching them.
I encourage everyone to call :bs: on everyone.

JAC has averaged 7 PPG in 5 home games this year as opposed to 20 PPG in 7 away games. Sure, they've picked it up as of late but the contrast between their offensive potency at home vs. away became clear after the first half of the season concluded (averaged 4.2 PPG in 4 homes games as opposed to 16.25 in 4 away games) and has continued since. I agree, splits aren't everything/may not tell the full story but it's definitely interesting. Let's get specific though..

Outlier may have been a poor choice of words when referring to the game as a whole. I do however think it's apt to describe HOU's performance as an outlier (on both sides of the ball). Don't get me wrong, HOU is a terrible team but still better than what they showed us two weeks ago. Offensively, I'm betting Tate improves on his 1 yard performance, AJ catches more than two balls and Keenum throws for more than 170. Assuming they do improve on the aforementioned stats, I can foresee a scenario where JAC is forced to play catch-up tonight.

More importantly (as I mentioned) HOU was getting a lot of pressure on Henne when they last met. He was hit 13 times and sacked 4 times. Assuming HOU is able to get the same type of pressure tonight, I believe turnovers are inevitable.

I mean, ultimately, I'm not the only one who thinks HOU can make for a good play tonight. The consensus over at fantasypros.com has them ranked 9th on the week; FBG's Tremblay has them ranked 5th. Personally, I have to choose between OAK and HOU and I'm leaning more towards HOU so I suppose it also has to do with your options.

 
I am THIS close to firing up Ace Sanders in a .5 PPR with return yardage. Las week, Jacksonville stated they wanted to get him more involved and had started gameplanning to get the ball in his hands. The result?

11 targets, 8 receptions, 67 receiving yards, a toss sweep for 4 yards rushing, and an additional 12 yard reception called back due to illegal substitution penalties on both squads.

IF (as SSAD and I believe) Houston gets out to a lead and Jacksonville is playing catch-up, could see a lot of Sanders tonight.

Crazy stupid? OR crazy like a fox? Someone convince me one way or the other...

 
Just picked up Randy Bullock to start at K in my playoffs. I've started a new kicker every week this year, and don't intend to stop now. Way too many times I've gone with Thursday Night guys just to have someone to watch, and usually it doesn't pan out, yet I keep doing it.

I figure they moved the ball well enough last week, so why not roll the dice on him.

 
No respect card

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -

Guard Uche Nwaneri has heard all sorts of excuses for opponents losing to the Jacksonville Jaguars in recent weeks.

They're amusing - and insulting.

"It's ridiculous," Nwaneri said Monday. "Really, are we a high school team and you have to apologize to your city because you lost to us? Come on, man. This is the NFL. Every win is a hard-earned win.


"There's rarely just easy sailing for any team throughout the season. When you're able to pull out a win, you celebrate it. When you lose, you try to be as gracious as you can in defeat. But don't trivialize our win because we came in here with a record that wasn't as good as yours."

The Jaguars (3-1) have won three of their last four games, all since starting the season with eight consecutive losses by double digits. It's been a modest turnaround that coincides with coach Gus Bradley's team playing better and a considerably easier second-half schedule. The Jaguars host Houston (2-10) on Thursday night.

Despite Jacksonville's recent success, opponents have been less than complimentary afterward.

Tennessee tight end Delanie Walker called losing to the Jaguars "disgusting." Bradley's team was winless at the time.

"I'm embarrassed," Walker said. "A team that's 0-8 comes in here and beats us? Beats us on our home field, that's 0-8, the Jaguars? Come on."

Houston running back Ben Tate said he felt bad for the city following a 13-6 loss to Jacksonville on Nov. 23. Receiver Andre Johnson called it the "lowest point" in his NFL career.

Cleveland players were less dramatic after Sunday's 32-28 loss to Jacksonville, but they made it clear they felt like they blew a winnable game.

"It's funny 'cause we're all professional athletes here," Nwaneri said. "I remember when they used to have jokes about the Bengals, the Browns. The stuff they say after they lose to us, it's like, 'What's somebody going to say if they lose to you, you know, because you lost to us.' It's funny. I don't really care, but it is amusing to be on the field and to hear them complain.

"It sounds like a child complaining because they can't have their way."
 
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Ben Tate (ribs, ankle) is active for Week 14 against the Jaguars.

Tate didn't get in a single full practice, but the Texans were just managing his reps on a short week. Tate got erased by the Jags in Week 12, gaining all of one yard on seven carries, but is a legit RB2 against one of the league's softest run defenses. Inactive for the Texans are QB T.J. Yates, OG Alex Kupper, OT Andrew Gardner, OG Cody White, LB Ricky Sapp, DE Tim Jamison and S Jawanza Starling.

Owen Daniels playing?
 

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