How are cigarette companies still in business? (1 Viewer)

[Tecumseh]

Foreign markets are propping them up. I imagine they'll quickly move into e-cigs in a big way if those are deemed "safe"

Not if numbnuts keep voting to outlaw e-cigs everywhere. Technology created a win-win situation for smokers and non - smokers but the nanny staters who want to "win" the smoking debate at all costs are going to take away a major impetus for smokers to convert to the non - carcinogenic substitute.

Actually there are still detectable levels of carcinogenic chemicals in E-cigs. They use propylene glycol which is known to increase your risk for asthma when breathed in. Further vaping itself is known to cause respiratory issues. Several of the nicotine refills were tested and were found to have chemicals in them that were toxic to human cells. Not to mention the metals you inhale off the heating filament. I could go on. Don't kid yourself with this is some safe alternative.

This is completely incorrect. I'd encourage you to read this research paper: Link

 

[DSP]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

Are you being sarcastic?If not im assuming you are refering to the tourrettes/nicotine

Studies have shown nicotine is more effective and safer for controlling the symptoms than any medication used. There is no true tourrete medication and it is usually treated with the same drugs to treat psychotics. I was given some as a child when it manifested and they turned a lively kid in to a doped up zombie

I was not.

Once I started smoking at 13 I was able to control the motor tics. Before that it got to a point I couldnt attend school

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

In case you aren't aware, DSP is kind of an idiot...so take that post with a grain of salt. Or two.

Please see the DSP/Geezil merged threads thread I started last night for more info. Take care.

My bad. Just looking out for ya, buddy.

 

[DSP]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

In case you aren't aware, DSP is kind of an idiot...so take that post with a grain of salt. Or two.

Please see the DSP/Geezil merged threads thread I started last night for more info. Take care.

My bad. Just looking out for ya, buddy.

Not liking game of thrones makes me an idiot now I see

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

In case you aren't aware, DSP is kind of an idiot...so take that post with a grain of salt. Or two.

Please see the DSP/Geezil merged threads thread I started last night for more info. Take care.

My bad. Just looking out for ya, buddy.

Not liking game of thrones makes me an idiot now I see

Oh, that's just one of many symptoms.

 

[DSP]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

In case you aren't aware, DSP is kind of an idiot...so take that post with a grain of salt. Or two.

Please see the DSP/Geezil merged threads thread I started last night for more info. Take care.

My bad. Just looking out for ya, buddy.

Not liking game of thrones makes me an idiot now I see

Oh, that's just one of many symptoms.

And the others?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

In case you aren't aware, DSP is kind of an idiot...so take that post with a grain of salt. Or two.

Please see the DSP/Geezil merged threads thread I started last night for more info. Take care.

My bad. Just looking out for ya, buddy.

Not liking game of thrones makes me an idiot now I see

Oh, that's just one of many symptoms.

And the others?

Just go through your posting history. I'm sure you can find some material.

 

[DSP]

I have tourettes and nicotine is one the most effective drugs for controlling it. It also help my anxiety

I dont like how it affects my health and I try to keep its intrusiveness on others to a minimal

Withput smoking it makes it much harder to function

No ####? I've never heard this before, interesting.

In case you aren't aware, DSP is kind of an idiot...so take that post with a grain of salt. Or two.

Please see the DSP/Geezil merged threads thread I started last night for more info. Take care.

My bad. Just looking out for ya, buddy.

Not liking game of thrones makes me an idiot now I see

Oh, that's just one of many symptoms.

And the others?

Just go through your posting history. I'm sure you can find some material.

Ypu made the accusation

Supply the evidence

 

[Doctor Detroit]

As I said before I can't say they are more or less safe than cigarettes. No one can. There simply hasn't been anywhere near enough long term study. But we know they have hazardous things in them. I am wondering what level of inhaled carcinogen is ok long term. I am wondering what level of inhaled glycol is good long term. if you aren't you should be.

You're playing devil's advocate here GB and I for one think it's misplaced. No way you can take out most of the known carcinogens from cigarettes and not think e-cigs are safer. As an -ex- 40 year 2 pack/day smoker I can tell you that the benefits are too prevalent to deny. As an -ex- ecig smoker I can also tell you that the addictive properties are reduced. I'm not about to suggest that inhaling any foreign substance is going to be entirely effect free but the transition from tobacco to ecigs is 100% positive no matter what the naysayers may try to dredge up.

I agree. Also as shown by you and others I know, E-cigs can be very effective in helping people stop smoking real cigarettes completely, and eventually quit vaping too. For those who really want to quit smoking, and they can't do it cold turkey, e-cigs can be a good tool in achieving this.

Will be opening up a e-cig/vapor shop/lounge in Florida within the next few months, so I'm somewhat biased...

I hope you've done your research. Half the B&Ms I've visited are horrendous and won't last through big tobacco penetrating the market. My buddy has a B&M in Florida too, he does good work.

 

[Sarnoff]

it is usually treated with the same drugs to treat psychotics. I was given some as a child when it manifested and they turned a lively kid in to a doped up zombie

Any chance we could get you back on them? No offense, but we'd just rather prefer it if you were a doped up zombie.

 

[DSP]

it is usually treated with the same drugs to treat psychotics. I was given some as a child when it manifested and they turned a lively kid in to a doped up zombie

Any chance we could get you back on them? No offense, but we'd just rather prefer it if you were a doped up zombie.

Sure that wasnt offensive

So you advocate giving pychosis meds to people whp arent psyvhotic simply because ypu dont agree with them?

I dont think its a stretch to assume you would advocate the murder of people you dont like

 

[Underachievers]

F'n losers.

I'm sick of walking down the sidewalk breathing their ####!

Have not smoked for years, but I would be tempted to light up again if I knew you were walking behind me.

 

[msommer]

Recently read that the current estimate is one billion smokers on the globe. More than ever before, at least in absoluted if not relative numbers compared to populace

 

[MC Gas Money]

Recently read that the current estimate is one billion smokers on the globe. More than ever before, at least in absoluted if not relative numbers compared to populace

999,999,999

I quit almost two weeks ago cold turkey.

It sucks soooooooo bad

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

 

[kupcho1]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

I can always remember this because my wife and I quit cold turkey together when we decided to have kids. Our oldest just turned 19, so I would say I quit 20 years ago. I have smoked some cigars here and there, but no cigarettes since our last night of smoking - at a show in Chicago. The strange thing about nicotine is it is such an incredibly powerful addiction that If I knew I was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably go out right now and get a pack of Camels.

 

[Dezbelief]

Nicotine consumption causes the brain to form specialized receptors just for nicotine. Nicotine is more addictive than heroine. Nicotine has been used in the US as an insecticide.

 

[beer 30]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

Solid bump. Plenty of folks in SC driving around with windows up puffing away.

I quit in 2001. Quitting in 2000 was to cliché

 

[beer 30]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Only my opinion but I'm betting they will find these are much worse than traditional cigarettes.

 

[Keerock]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Only my opinion but I'm betting they will find these are much worse than traditional cigarettes.

But better than gas stoves, I suspect.

 

[Snotbubbles]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

I can always remember this because my wife and I quit cold turkey together when we decided to have kids. Our oldest just turned 19, so I would say I quit 20 years ago. I have smoked some cigars here and there, but no cigarettes since our last night of smoking - at a show in Chicago. The strange thing about nicotine is it is such an incredibly powerful addiction that If I knew I was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably go out right now and get a pack of Camels.

I used to smoked about a 1/2 a pack a day for 15 years. I no longer smoke daily, only when I'm out drinking which is about 4 times a year. I agree though, if I knew I was going to die on a certain date, I would go back to full blown smoking.

 

[boilerdave]

When a thread from way back like this one gets bumped I like to click on the old posters and check their “Last Seen” date.

 

[boilerdave]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

I can always remember this because my wife and I quit cold turkey together when we decided to have kids. Our oldest just turned 19, so I would say I quit 20 years ago. I have smoked some cigars here and there, but no cigarettes since our last night of smoking - at a show in Chicago. The strange thing about nicotine is it is such an incredibly powerful addiction that If I knew I was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably go out right now and get a pack of Camels.

I used to smoked about a 1/2 a pack a day for 15 years. I no longer smoke daily, only when I'm out drinking which is about 4 times a year. I agree though, if I knew I was going to die on a certain date, I would go back to full blown smoking.

Yep me too.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

I can always remember this because my wife and I quit cold turkey together when we decided to have kids. Our oldest just turned 19, so I would say I quit 20 years ago. I have smoked some cigars here and there, but no cigarettes since our last night of smoking - at a show in Chicago. The strange thing about nicotine is it is such an incredibly powerful addiction that If I knew I was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably go out right now and get a pack of Camels.

I used to smoked about a 1/2 a pack a day for 15 years. I no longer smoke daily, only when I'm out drinking which is about 4 times a year. I agree though, if I knew I was going to die on a certain date, I would go back to full blown smoking.

Yep me too.

Yeah it’s bittersweet. Great memories of posters that are no longer here.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Cancer usually takes decades to develop, as does vascular disease and COPD, so it’s still too early to tell.

They’re almost surely better than regular smoking, but I’ll be shocked if exposing one’s lungs to toxic aerosols is harmless over time.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Cancer usually takes decades to develop, as does vascular disease and COPD, so it’s still too early to tell.

They’re almost surely better than regular smoking, but I’ll be shocked if exposing one’s lungs to toxic aerosols is harmless over time.

Same. I'm deeply skeptical of any claims that these things are harmless, but they seem pretty great compared to regular cigarettes. I've never smoked so I have no first-hand experience with nicotine. I certainly take everybody at their word when they say that it's extremely addictive, and there's no serious dispute that cigarettes are terrible for you, so e-cigs seem like pretty good "harm reduction" to me.

Ideally, people would just avoid nicotine altogether, of course. But our job is to improve the world as it actually exists right now, not as we would like it to exist.

 

[beer 30]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Only my opinion but I'm betting they will find these are much worse than traditional cigarettes.

But better than gas stoves, I suspect.

The bane of humanities existence for sure.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Cancer usually takes decades to develop, as does vascular disease and COPD, so it’s still too early to tell.

They’re almost surely better than regular smoking, but I’ll be shocked if exposing one’s lungs to toxic aerosols is harmless over time.

Same. I'm deeply skeptical of any claims that these things are harmless, but they seem pretty great compared to regular cigarettes. I've never smoked so I have no first-hand experience with nicotine. I certainly take everybody at their word when they say that it's extremely addictive, and there's no serious dispute that cigarettes are terrible for you, so e-cigs seem like pretty good "harm reduction" to me.

Ideally, people would just avoid nicotine altogether, of course. But our job is to improve the world as it actually exists right now, not as we would like it to exist.

Of course. Though we had been reducing cigarette use slowly, until e-cigs surfaced, with new ways to addict a younger generation.

For the individual who already smokes, they offer harm reduction, but on a societal level, I’m not so sure.

 

[Tick]

I'm more interested in the state of research on e-cigarettes. 10 years on, have studies shown any harm?

Cancer usually takes decades to develop, as does vascular disease and COPD, so it’s still too early to tell.

They’re almost surely better than regular smoking, but I’ll be shocked if exposing one’s lungs to toxic aerosols is harmless over time.

Same. I'm deeply skeptical of any claims that these things are harmless, but they seem pretty great compared to regular cigarettes. I've never smoked so I have no first-hand experience with nicotine. I certainly take everybody at their word when they say that it's extremely addictive, and there's no serious dispute that cigarettes are terrible for you, so e-cigs seem like pretty good "harm reduction" to me.

Ideally, people would just avoid nicotine altogether, of course. But our job is to improve the world as it actually exists right now, not as we would like it to exist.

Of course. Though we had been reducing cigarette use slowly, until e-cigs surfaced, with new ways to addict a younger generation.

For the individual who already smokes, they offer harm reduction, but on a societal level, I’m not so sure.

Yeah, everything I've seen says vaping is better than cigarettes, but are hooking young people, which appears to be bad. Here's a good summary podcast with references. https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/6nh3veng

 

[Dickies]

10 years later, (since Otis started this thread,) I just saw a dude lighting a Newport 100 in his truck with his windows rolled all the way up.

I wish I remembered what year I quit smoking but it’s been more than 10 years.

I can always remember this because my wife and I quit cold turkey together when we decided to have kids. Our oldest just turned 19, so I would say I quit 20 years ago. I have smoked some cigars here and there, but no cigarettes since our last night of smoking - at a show in Chicago. The strange thing about nicotine is it is such an incredibly powerful addiction that If I knew I was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably go out right now and get a pack of Camels.

My grandma quit smoking for roughly the final 20 years of her life, and she would tell me that there wasn't a day that went by that she didn't think about going to the store and buying a pack of cigarettes.