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It will be interesting to see if the Bengals pull the trigger on a QB in round 2 or wait until next year.
They tried and couldn't get it done in a trade but should have a shot at Dalton or Mallett.
I think it's pretty common knowledge it's much harder to land a franchise QB then a WR to build around. Also the year Arizona went to the Super Bowl they had HOF QB Kurt Warner at the helm. How's Fitz and Arizona been doing since he retired?
But if you don't think that any of the qb's in the draft are a franchise quarterback, it's better to take a player you think will have a much greater chance of being a stud than it is to force a QB pick like 4 teams in the first round did.
I agree on this. I don't think they should've taken a QB at 4 .They should've either taken the Atlanta deal or one of the 3 or 4 defensive players that would immediately impact. As I said earlier, Green even if he is the best WR in the class does little for the team's short to mid term improvement prospects with what is happening at the QB position.
) I am on board, though still pray daily for some sort of Brown Family hostile takeover situation. I just know I watch the draft every year with Patriots fans, who watch every media member call BB a genius for 'manipulating the board', while he's moving out of a Clay Matthews slot or a PERFECT NEED Cam Jordan spot to collect picks and choose Ron Braces of the draft. Obviously the Pats are the model franchise in almost every facet, but their drafting since 2005 has largely been atrocious, mostly because they trade away from top talent. So I'll chastise them when they tractor beam on Andre Smith types but I can't kill them on this. Green is a bad, bad man.
Bengals need bodies....plus they need to build from the lines out IMO- how many lousy teams have turned it around by drafting a stud WR...assuming he is a stud.
The Bengals are one year removed from winning the division. They had a tough schedule and lost some toss up games. They could easily have been 8-8 last year. They aren't a couple of players away from the Super Bowl but arent in total rebuild mode either.How often do fourth round picks even remain on the team after 2 or 3 years much less make a valuable contribution? Considering the Bengals and their history of picking draft flops, those fourth round picks were not worth much. Fourth round talent is a dime a dozen and can easily be picked up via free agency with a better feel for how a player can produce.Moving from 4 to late twenties is a huge dropoff. If you like Green, take what you feel is the sure thing.
I didn't read past the first page, so maybe someone made this point already. Since 2000 the teams represented are the Lions (x2), Browns, Bengals, Cardinals and Texans. Those are 5 teams that are consistently drafting in the top half of the draft. Maybe the reason why these WRs drafted in the top 5 aren't succeeding is because the teams that draft them are consistently bad and one playmaker isn't enough to change the entire team. Calvin, Andre and Larry have all lived up to their draft spots.You can do this at several positions:RB2008 Darren McFadden, Raiders2006 Reggie Bush, Saints2005 Ronnie Brown, Dolphins2005 Cedric Benson, Bears2005 Cadillac Williams, Bucs2001 Ladainian Tomlinson, Chargers2000 Jamal Lewis, RavensEven QB:2010 Sam Bradford, Rams2009 Matt Stafford, Lions2009 Mark Sanchez, Jets2008 Matt Ryan, Falcons2007 Jamarcus Russell, Raiders2006 Vince Young, Titans2005 Alex Smith, 49ers2004 Eli Manning, Giants2004 Phillip Rivers, Chargers2003 Carson Palmer, Bengals2002 David Carr, Texans2001 Michael Vick, FalconsIf you are drafting in the top 5, your chances of that player leading you to a Super Bowl victory during their career is slim. Just looking at the drafts since 2000, here are the players that were drafted in the top 5 and that team became a Super Bowl winning team during their time with the team:2000 Jamal Lewis, Ravens2004 Eli Manning, Giants2006 Reggie Bush, Saints2006 AJ Hawk, PackersOnly 4 picks (so far) out of 50 players from 2000-2010 top 5 have won a Super Bowl. 1 QB, 2 RBs and 1 LB. It's faulty logic to use that statistic to say that drafting a WR in the top 5 is a mistake.
I agree. At best this pick is a constant--is AJ going to be better than Ochocinco? Truth is that he will be very lucky to be as good. Yes, Ocho is getting old, but they have three young WRs who have all shown talent. A WR is a player you pick when your team is basically together--not a player for a rebuilding team. I know fantasy players here will say 'you can't argue with the pick,' and 'AJ is a sure thing.' But no WR is a sure thing. And no team has ever successfully built around a WR. It's as simple as that. Fantasy players like to see skill position players go high because we know more about those players and because it is of interest to us. But if you are trying to build a winning franchise, you don't do it with a WR and CINN had many more pressing needs.
Cinci doesn't need to build around Green. Why would you thin they do?
no position or player is a sure thing. green was considered by many the "surest thing" in this draft. and you are underrating the positional value of the wr position. its not a fantasy thing.
Agreed. I think the draft for the Bengals has turned out great.
Basically it's house cleaning time and I think they have two good pieces to do that. Also encouraged by Green's style and demeanor which is very different than some other wide receivers that are out there who will remain nameless but certainly not tweet-less. 
No kidding. Michael Crabtree, anyone?
Is Green > Ingram, Little, and a 1 next year?
I think the key is if you are drafting in the top 5 it is unlikely you'll be playing in the Superbowl very soon.
Pretty bad. I almost regretted trading him for CJ2k. Till this week. Still, guy is a stud. He and Dalton will be an excellent combo for many years.LOL, how bad was my original premise in this thread.
-QG
The key will be Dalton coming into next year. Dalton is playing great this year but if he takes a step backwards his sophomore year a-la Sam Bradford then Green may find the opportunities dwindling. Both of them have the potential to excel next year, no doubt though.
I'm not sure why he would regress with a full off season next year. But even if he does, I dont see it affecting Green much. It's not like any of his catches have been because Dalton is putting the ball into tight windows with persicion, he's throwing it up and letting Green make great plays. Green is ridiculously good.
I would hope he goes in the 5-8 round range but he will probably be hyped up being the #1 guy on that team. A summer of hype and he will be going in the 3rd.
You think the Raiders are probably going to the AFC title game? How exciting.
Heh.... If I was a Bengals fan, I would think the future is quite bright... Dalton + Green + 2 1st rounders 2012 + 2 1st rounders 2013.For the raiders... at least the team will gel a bit... since I don't believe the raiders have any draft picks next year.
Wrong about that. And wrong about the compensation. Just all kinds of wrong.Raiders 2013 pick is a 1st if they make the AFC title game.Go back and take a look at what happened to all those draft picks, and try and guess how many comp picks they get from Nnamdi, Gallery, and Zach Miller. Then add those up.
Isn't being wrong awesome?LOL, how bad was my original premise in this thread.
