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How do you feel about Cutler now? (current info on pg 46) (2 Viewers)

'geoff8695 said:
'cr8f said:
The Bears draft like a team that doesn't want a passing game. Fix the line and receivers and then we'll talk.
:goodposting: How can you really assess a QB that has Mickey Mouse talent surrounding him?

To answer my own question... You can't.

I have no idea how good Cutler can be, because he doesn't have an NFL offense surrounding him. It's up to him to single handedly win games in a system that gets its QBs killed, behind a line that is one of the worst in the NFL, and with no WRs who can get open or create enough of a threat to keep teams from blitzing at will or stacking the box to shut down the running game. Did you know that Cutler led the Bears in both rushing (11) and passing (302) on Sunday? When your QB leads the team in rushing with 11 yards, and your only offensive weapon is supposed to be the RB, you know the offense is in serious trouble. Cutler is being asked to do it all by himself and with one hand tied behind his back.

And it may even be worse in 2011 than in the previous two seasons, since his best receiving option was traded away(Greg Olsen). Where are the mismatches going to come from? Who on this offense do opposing defenses have to account for on every play? Again to answer my own question...

Jay Cutler and Matt Forte and that's it! There are absolutely no other assets on this offense, but there are liabilities all over the place.

Even HOF QBs need a system that doesn't get them killed, an oline that can block, and/or skill position talent. When Cutler has NONE of those things, you can't really assess him. You have nothing to base it on. And unfortunately since there is a history of Martz system QBs going into shell shock after 2-3 years in his system (with better olines and receiving talent than this team's), then there is a good chance that Cutler is ruined as an NFL QB after this experience.
How did they assess the last 5 QBs?
Orton didn't get a fair shake either until he landed on a real NFL offense in Denver, Grossman has been the same yo-yo (good game/bad game) high risk/high reward, turn-over machine everywhere he has gotten a chance to play; and the other journeyman career backups are probably out of the league by now.Doesn't change the fact that a QB with a piss poor oline and without surrounding skill position talent is damn near impossible to assess. Although I would argue that the oline was much better then, and skill position players Berrian/Muhammad/Olsen/Thomas Jones was more of a semblance of an NFL offense than Hester/Knox/Bennett/Forte right now. After the trade of Olsen to Carolina this team has very little in the way of passing weapons, and with Bennett currently injured there really isn't anyone outside of Forte who can be depended upon to move the chains with consistency.

I can play the whole "what if" game 'til I'm blue in the face but the posters in this thread will just split 50/50 on questions like:

What if Cutler were back in Denver with actual weapons and Orton were back in Chicago with this pile of goo?

 
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Here's the all-time passing yards list from the first to fifth years of a player's career:

Rk Player Yds

1 Peyton Manning 20618

2 Dan Marino* 19422

3 Drew Bledsoe 18348

4 Jeff Garcia 16408

5 Aaron Brooks 16274

6 Marc Bulger 16233

7 Jay Cutler 15964

8 Jim Kelly* 15730

9 Carson Palmer 15630

10 Joe Namath* 15487

11 Jim Everett 15345

12 Ben Roethlis.. 14974

13 John Elway* 14835

14 Boomer Esiason 14825

15 Brett Favre 14825

16 Warren Moon* 14669

17 Jake Plummer 14650

18 Eli Manning 14623

19 Jim Zorn 14548

20 Mark Rypien 14414

21 Ken O'Brien 14243

22 Kurt Warner 14082

23 Tom Brady 13925

24 Bernie Kosar 13888

25 Daunte Culpepp 13881

26 Troy Aikman* 13627

http://pfref.com/tiny/HlF4f

 
Here's the all-time passing yards list from the first to fifth years of a player's career:

Rk Player Yds

1 Peyton Manning 20618

2 Dan Marino* 19422

3 Drew Bledsoe 18348

4 Jeff Garcia 16408

5 Aaron Brooks 16274

6 Marc Bulger 16233

7 Jay Cutler 15964

8 Jim Kelly* 15730

9 Carson Palmer 15630

10 Joe Namath* 15487

11 Jim Everett 15345

12 Ben Roethlis.. 14974

13 John Elway* 14835

14 Boomer Esiason 14825

15 Brett Favre 14825

16 Warren Moon* 14669

17 Jake Plummer 14650

18 Eli Manning 14623

19 Jim Zorn 14548

20 Mark Rypien 14414

21 Ken O'Brien 14243

22 Kurt Warner 14082

23 Tom Brady 13925

24 Bernie Kosar 13888

25 Daunte Culpepp 13881

26 Troy Aikman* 13627

http://pfref.com/tiny/HlF4f
And.......?
 
'geoff8695 said:
'cr8f said:
The Bears draft like a team that doesn't want a passing game. Fix the line and receivers and then we'll talk.
:goodposting: How can you really assess a QB that has Mickey Mouse talent surrounding him?

To answer my own question... You can't.

I have no idea how good Cutler can be, because he doesn't have an NFL offense surrounding him. It's up to him to single handedly win games in a system that gets its QBs killed, behind a line that is one of the worst in the NFL, and with no WRs who can get open or create enough of a threat to keep teams from blitzing at will or stacking the box to shut down the running game. Did you know that Cutler led the Bears in both rushing (11) and passing (302) on Sunday? When your QB leads the team in rushing with 11 yards, and your only offensive weapon is supposed to be the RB, you know the offense is in serious trouble. Cutler is being asked to do it all by himself and with one hand tied behind his back.

And it may even be worse in 2011 than in the previous two seasons, since his best receiving option was traded away(Greg Olsen). Where are the mismatches going to come from? Who on this offense do opposing defenses have to account for on every play? Again to answer my own question...

Jay Cutler and Matt Forte and that's it! There are absolutely no other assets on this offense, but there are liabilities all over the place.

Even HOF QBs need a system that doesn't get them killed, an oline that can block, and/or skill position talent. When Cutler has NONE of those things, you can't really assess him. You have nothing to base it on. And unfortunately since there is a history of Martz system QBs going into shell shock after 2-3 years in his system (with better olines and receiving talent than this team's), then there is a good chance that Cutler is ruined as an NFL QB after this experience.
cutler wont go into shellshock bc he is the complete oppositive of what ppl think he is.
 
Here's the all-time passing yards list from the first to fifth years of a player's career:

Rk Player Yds

1 Peyton Manning 20618

2 Dan Marino* 19422

3 Drew Bledsoe 18348

4 Jeff Garcia 16408

5 Aaron Brooks 16274

6 Marc Bulger 16233

7 Jay Cutler 15964

8 Jim Kelly* 15730

9 Carson Palmer 15630

10 Joe Namath* 15487

11 Jim Everett 15345

12 Ben Roethlis.. 14974

13 John Elway* 14835

14 Boomer Esiason 14825

15 Brett Favre 14825

16 Warren Moon* 14669

17 Jake Plummer 14650

18 Eli Manning 14623

19 Jim Zorn 14548

20 Mark Rypien 14414

21 Ken O'Brien 14243

22 Kurt Warner 14082

23 Tom Brady 13925

24 Bernie Kosar 13888

25 Daunte Culpepp 13881

26 Troy Aikman* 13627

http://pfref.com/tiny/HlF4f
And.......?
He loves Jay Cutler.
 
Here's the all-time passing yards list from the first to fifth years of a player's career:

Rk Player Yds

1 Peyton Manning 20618

2 Dan Marino* 19422

3 Drew Bledsoe 18348

4 Jeff Garcia 16408

5 Aaron Brooks 16274

6 Marc Bulger 16233

7 Jay Cutler 15964

8 Jim Kelly* 15730

9 Carson Palmer 15630

10 Joe Namath* 15487

11 Jim Everett 15345

12 Ben Roethlis.. 14974

13 John Elway* 14835

14 Boomer Esiason 14825

15 Brett Favre 14825

16 Warren Moon* 14669

17 Jake Plummer 14650

18 Eli Manning 14623

19 Jim Zorn 14548

20 Mark Rypien 14414

21 Ken O'Brien 14243

22 Kurt Warner 14082

23 Tom Brady 13925

24 Bernie Kosar 13888

25 Daunte Culpepp 13881

26 Troy Aikman* 13627

http://pfref.com/tiny/HlF4f
And.......?
We can deduce from this list that Cutler is a slightly worse QB than Aaron Brooks, and way better than Tom Brady.
 
Cutler actually played well tonight. He didn't have any bonehead throws and made some dynamite throws, but his line is gonna get him killed. Having unreliable WRs doesn't help either. His fantasy upside this year is still fairly limited.

 
Here's the all-time passing yards list from the first to fifth years of a player's career:

Rk Player Yds

1 Peyton Manning 20618

2 Dan Marino* 19422

3 Drew Bledsoe 18348

4 Jeff Garcia 16408

5 Aaron Brooks 16274

6 Marc Bulger 16233

7 Jay Cutler 15964

8 Jim Kelly* 15730

9 Carson Palmer 15630

10 Joe Namath* 15487

11 Jim Everett 15345

12 Ben Roethlis.. 14974

13 John Elway* 14835

14 Boomer Esiason 14825

15 Brett Favre 14825

16 Warren Moon* 14669

17 Jake Plummer 14650

18 Eli Manning 14623

19 Jim Zorn 14548

20 Mark Rypien 14414

21 Ken O'Brien 14243

22 Kurt Warner 14082

23 Tom Brady 13925

24 Bernie Kosar 13888

25 Daunte Culpepp 13881

26 Troy Aikman* 13627

http://pfref.com/tiny/HlF4f
And.......?
We can deduce from this list that Cutler is a slightly worse QB than Aaron Brooks, and way better than Tom Brady.
:lmao: its so obvious! Why hadnt I seen it sooner!!!
 
Cutler actually played well tonight. He didn't have any bonehead throws and made some dynamite throws, but his line is gonna get him killed. Having unreliable WRs doesn't help either. His fantasy upside this year is still fairly limited.
Finally getting to watch the game now. Man did he do everything possible to make that putrid offense look better. Some unreal throws under nothing short of intense pressure every snap.
 
Cutler was really impressive tonight. Made some amazing sick throws despite getting hit in the backfield.

Bears need to redraft their entire offensive line.

At least he's better than Orton - Orton was extremely frustrating to watch.

Mike Lombardi had a good term for Orton - he's a calls him a 20-20 player, great between the 20s but struggles in the red zone, against the blitz, and on 3rd down.

 
I wonder what will happen when Cutler gets to actually step into a throw for the first time this season. Would it go sailing 20 yards over the receiver's head?

 
With 21 more completions tonight, Jay passed Otto Graham and Mark Rypien on the all-time completions list.

Needs 14 more completions to pass Jim McMahon's career mark of 1492.

 
I wonder what will happen when Cutler gets to actually step into a throw for the first time this season. Would it go sailing 20 yards over the receiver's head?
Cutlers rotten mechanics is what stops him from ever being a top qb. He has enough arm strength to get away with crappy mechanics and bad decision making. Most of the time.
 
Wow, Candyman still pulling the Cutler wagon...

I don't know what the ratio is, but your "Cutler is my hero" posts pretty much out weigh anything else you post in this forum. I'm starting to think you're related in some way. Are you only here to buff and polish Cutlers unmentionable parts?

 
Oh look 3 hater comments out of the last 5, ridiculous.

Cutler has played well this season given the surrounding cast. He has also thrown 1 INT in his last 3 games combined. Twice as many TD passes vs INTs.

But the Hate keeps coming?

 
Oh look 3 hater comments out of the last 5, ridiculous.Cutler has played well this season given the surrounding cast. He has also thrown 1 INT in his last 3 games combined. Twice as many TD passes vs INTs.But the Hate keeps coming?
Look, 3 homer/jock sniffer comments out of the last 6!! :bye:
Because making fun of someone's diabetes in our profile location makes you a great person.
 
Oh look 3 hater comments out of the last 5, ridiculous.Cutler has played well this season given the surrounding cast. He has also thrown 1 INT in his last 3 games combined. Twice as many TD passes vs INTs.But the Hate keeps coming?
Look, 3 homer/jock sniffer comments out of the last 6!! :bye:
Because making fun of someone's diabetes in our profile location makes you a great person.
Exactly! I'm a prince!! .. and never claimed otherwise .. :rolleyes: Don't take/make everything so personal.. ;)
 
Oh look 3 hater comments out of the last 5, ridiculous.Cutler has played well this season given the surrounding cast. He has also thrown 1 INT in his last 3 games combined. Twice as many TD passes vs INTs.But the Hate keeps coming?
Where was the hate in my comment?He has played well the last few games. No doubt about that.But I don't think we need to update this thread every time he has a good or bad game.
 
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I wonder what will happen when Cutler gets to actually step into a throw for the first time this season. Would it go sailing 20 yards over the receiver's head?
Cutlers rotten mechanics is what stops him from ever being a top qb. He has enough arm strength to get away with crappy mechanics and bad decision making. Most of the time.
I'm afraid it's just not that simple. Some may question Cutler's leadership ability, but his abilities/mechanics aren't the problem here. Jay's ability to add lib, as well as his vision and decision-making to quickly find and throw to receivers that create separation is actually quite impressive. This offense has moved away from its original scheme as the season has progressed, largely out of necessity, and not because of Cutler's perceived faults or poor mechanics. It has a lot more to do with surrounding talent, and the assets that Cutler provides rather than his shortcomings.His mechanics were much improved coming into the season, and were on display in the first game of the season. Against a subpar Atlanta squad it was enough, Jay's extra off-season work on mechanics were lauded and the oline looked passable. However, against the likes of Green Bay and New Orleans they were not up to the task, and Jay was under too much durress to display such poise and execution. As a result Jay has been forced to improvise, and rely on his innate skills to a large degree. Some will interpret this as Jay lacking the proper mechanics and QB ability to be successful. I can understand why some might reach that conclusion, but I don't think it properly accounts for the limitations of Martz's offensive philosophy put into practice this season.The system Martz wants to implement involves timing routes and trusting the line and WRs to allow the QB to throw to 'spots' where the WR would move into position to make the catch and be able to gain valuable YAC. It also requires intelligent adjustment and decision making to adapt to defensive alignments, blitzes, and pass coverages on the fly. Unfortunately, Hester, Knox, & Co. haven't been trustworthy enough to be where they are supposed to be, when they're supposed to be there, or to consistently make the catches. Perhaps even more importantly receivers weren't making the proper reads and adjustments prior to and immediately after the snap, that are essentially this system's form of "audibilizing". Often times Cutler is forced to direct traffic prior to the snap because TEs and WRs haven't a clue where they were supposed to be and what their proper roles were on any given play and in response to defensive alignments. Similarly, the line hasn't been up to the task of providing adequate protection to allow Jay to rely on mechanics and textbook "pocket passing" following a plethora of 7 step drops intended to strain a defense under the threat of hitting a "homerun" on any given play in the game. Recently the Bears have found ways to move more towards scheming to Jay's ability and the limited talents they have on hand, rather than the system that Martz is so in love with. They have moved towards more of a west coast approach, utilizing the running game and short passes to set up the medium and deep threats, more often relying on play action and Forte has become the center piece of the offense.This is just an example of a Martz's system not fitting the players on hand. Nothing more. Honestly, because of these factors I don't even know how to adequately assess Cutler's development as an NFL QB. It's vitually impossible to assesss a QB when the scheme and surrounding talent are liabilities. Fortunately, the Bears are moving away from said scheme, and Cutler and Forte are versatile and talented enough to make chicken salad out of the chicken excrement around them. Against the league's top tier teams they will continue to struggle, against the mediocre teams they will have a puncher's chance. Cutler represents more of the solution as opposed to the problem, and frankly I'm encouraged by the efforts he has recently put forth now that the system is being overhauled. I will reserve final judgment on Cutler and his ability/mechanics until we see some consistency in offensive philosophy and more of a track record to analyze.I'm not saying Cutler is a great NFL QB at this point in time, just that he clearly possesses some talent and is taking far too much individual blame for mitigating circumstances that he has zero control over. When a QB has been consistently getting his brains beat in because of a poor match of system to surrounding talent, yet still manages to find ways to be successful, then I'm willing to cut him a little slack for having "happy feet" and improvising rather than displaying text book form. Let's see how this offense continues to evolve, and whether or not the Bears can ever find some NFL worthy weapons that Cutler can lean on aside from Matt Forte. If the Bears continue to just plod along with WR3s and 4s and a bottom of the barrel offensive line, then I won't feel comfortable placing the blame squarely on Cutler's shoulders. I just think that's too much to ask of your QB, whether his name is Cutler... or Rodgers, Brady, Brees, etc.
 
His stats aren't as gaudy as they used to be, but I think the Bears will exchange less passing yards for less interceptions. He made some terrific throws tonight, and appears to have finally gotten better when it comes to decision-making. Funny how much better someone can look when their offensive line plays well and the running game is working.

 
NO WAY Cutler loses to the Chiefs today. No way.

The dude was absolute money before the unlucky break, making plays that so very few can make.

Side note: I wonder if the haters will call out Forte for leaving with an MCL sprain today? Didn't think so, and nor should they.

 
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Side note: I wonder if the haters will call out Forte for leaving with an MCL sprain today? Didn't think so, and nor should they.
Though I get your point, it would be silly to do so for the mere fact that Forte is a running back.
And it wasn't the NFC Championship game.
Might as well have been. Season's over.
Maybe...everyone else got beat too.And I was not trying to bash Cutler there...I have said it for a while and then...had he come back into that game and had no mobility the Packers would have destroyed him that day. They were getting to him and hitting him on 2 good knees before that.
 
I have been one who has questioned Cutler. I DO think he will take a step forward now that he has Marshall back. There are a small group of elite QBs who can make their receivers great, even if the receivers are average talents. Cutler is not such a QB. He is not elite. He is a good QB with a great arm, but he DOES lack judgement and leadership. The article linked here talks about his throwing talent--no doubt, he has a great arm and can make some throws that other QBs cannot. But what the writer fails to acknowledge is judgement and character--and those two qualities DO matter for a QB. We have seen with Tebow how far leadership can take a QB and how much throwing talent it can compensate. Nevertheless, I do think Marshall is the perfect receiver for Cutler because he has the size and the ability to compete for every throw. He needs a QB who can wing it and isn't afraid to throw it in tight coverage; and he will reward the QB who does so by snagging most of those throws. I do see a big uptick in Cutler's performance and I do see him as a low end top 10 QB in 2012. He may even win a SB someday, but his leadership IS a deficit.
 
I have been one who has questioned Cutler. I DO think he will take a step forward now that he has Marshall back. There are a small group of elite QBs who can make their receivers great, even if the receivers are average talents. Cutler is not such a QB. He is not elite. He is a good QB with a great arm, but he DOES lack judgement and leadership. The article linked here talks about his throwing talent--no doubt, he has a great arm and can make some throws that other QBs cannot. But what the writer fails to acknowledge is judgement and character--and those two qualities DO matter for a QB. We have seen with Tebow how far leadership can take a QB and how much throwing talent it can compensate. Nevertheless, I do think Marshall is the perfect receiver for Cutler because he has the size and the ability to compete for every throw. He needs a QB who can wing it and isn't afraid to throw it in tight coverage; and he will reward the QB who does so by snagging most of those throws. I do see a big uptick in Cutler's performance and I do see him as a low end top 10 QB in 2012. He may even win a SB someday, but his leadership IS a deficit.
How do you know he lacks leadership/character?The last two years he led Chicago to a home game in the NFC Championship and to a 7-3 record.
 
Cosell Talks: The Perception and Reality of Jay Cutlerby Greg Cosell
There is no quarterback in the NFL whose public perception is as far removed from reality as Jay Cutler. Based on my extensive experience, I can say with certainty Cutler is not acknowledged as a top-10 NFL quarterback entering the 2012 season. That assessment is wrong.I remember studying Cutler when he came out of Vanderbilt in the 2006 NFL Draft. It was the same year in which Vince Young and Matt Leinart were the two highly celebrated college quarterbacks, much more so than Cutler. As always, the tape told the story. While Young and Leinart had some passing deficiencies that were blatantly evident, I was wowed by Cutler’s ability to throw the football. He was a big-time arm talent who could drive the ball at the intermediate and deeper levels with velocity. Not many delivered the ball the way Cutler did.You may recall one issue raised in the evaluation process was Cutler’s tendency to force throws into coverage. Those who said that were wrong. Cutler was throwing to wide receivers matched one-on-one on the outside. Here’s the way it works in the passing game: The best you can get is man coverage. When that happens, the quarterback expects his receivers to get open. If your receivers do not win, it’s not the quarterback’s fault. At Vanderbilt, Cutler threw a lot of passes to receivers that could not win against more talented SEC corners. That was viewed erroneously as a troubling indication of poor judgment and decision making.When you watch as much tape as I do, only the most singular plays from years past remain embedded in memory. Yet, there’s one from Cutler’s third NFL start with the Denver Broncos — against the Arizona Cardinals — that still stands out in my mind. Cutler, off play action, rolled by design to his left. He turned his front shoulder, balanced his feet with his back foot planted, and then, in the face of pressure, threw it 65 yards in the air. It dropped accurately and easily into the hands of Javon Walker, as if Cutler had handed it to him. It was one of the best throws I had ever seen, one very few NFL quarterbacks would have even attempted, never mind completed.I always believed the pairing of Cutler and Mike Shanahan in Denver would have yielded positive results over time. Unfortunately, circumstances prevented that from happening.It was Cutler’s first season in Chicago, 2009, that has likely tainted Cutler’s public perception. He threw 26 interceptions, the most in the NFL. He threw 15 of them in four games, three of those games nationally televised. In addition, six of those 26 interceptions came in the red zone, which also led the league. That season painted a negative portrait of Cutler as a reckless, careless, irresponsible quarterback who lacked the necessary control and discipline to play at a consistently high level.There was certainly an element of truth to that indictment. Cutler was a confident, aggressive and at times arrogant quarterback who pushed the envelope. A guy who believed he could make every throw, every play. He seemed to play with no conscience, no regard for game situations and game management. The result was throws that looked about as bad as could be, head scratchers that left many wondering what he possibly could have been thinking.Let’s drill down a little deeper, separate reality from perception and evaluate Cutler after five full seasons as an NFL starter — focusing solely on the measurables of his play and not subjective observations like body language or press conference demeanor. Cutler is one of the best pure throwers in the NFL. His elite arm strength gives an offense every dimension in the pass game. He throws the deep digs (about 20-22 yards between the numbers) as well as any quarterback in the game. He has deceptive movement skills, with the ability to make throws down the field on the run. There’s little hesitation to his game; he intuitively turns it loose.Cutler is often what I call a “see it, throw it” passer. By that I mean he must see his receiver break open before he pulls the trigger. His powerful arm allows him to do that. He’s not a true anticipation passer, throwing the ball before receivers begin their breaks. He’s capable of it, and there are instances in which he has done it, but that’s not the signature of his play. While accuracy is certainly not a negative, his ball location can be a little imprecise at times. And I mentioned his red-zone struggles in 2009. In fact, in the three years from 2008-10 (2008 was his last season in Denver), Cutler was poor in the red zone. He threw 13 interceptions, easily the highest total in the NFL. That’s unacceptable. In 2011, he started 10 games before injury ended his season. The improvement was evident: He did not throw a single red-zone interception.I remember Cutler’s first playoff game against the Seattle Seahawks in the 2010 season, when the Bears were NFC North champions. He threw for two touchdowns and ran for two more. He was controlled, disciplined and aware — not turning over the ball once. Seemingly forgettable plays like an eight-yard scramble on third-and-2 on a third-quarter touchdown drive showed his understanding of game situations and his ability to manage them. I don’t hear many people reference that game when discussing Cutler. My sense is it doesn’t fit the pre-determined narrative.Rarely talked about is Cutler’s ability to take over games — the most recent example last year against the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday Night Football. He can do that as a result of his throwing ability. It comes back to a simple point: Cutler can make throws that not many others can. As I’ve stated many times in previous blogs, it’s a function of attributes. Cutler has all the necessary traits to play at a high level. Are there some inconsistencies he must clean up? Absolutely. I have documented those.Don’t lose sight of one other point. The Bears were 7-3 when Cutler got hurt last season. Then they lost five in a row. All the talk had been about Matt Forte, how the offense ran through him, how he was the key. Again, perception suppressing reality.Cutler, in many ways, is still a work in progress as he begins his fourth season in Chicago. He likely will always make some throws that seem ill-advised at best, and just plain foolish at worst. Those throws can’t be defended. They result from the belief and trust he has in his own ability. But make no mistake: Cutler is a “wow” passer with the ability to carry an offense, and a much better player than he’s perceived to be.
 
I have been one who has questioned Cutler. I DO think he will take a step forward now that he has Marshall back. There are a small group of elite QBs who can make their receivers great, even if the receivers are average talents. Cutler is not such a QB. He is not elite. He is a good QB with a great arm, but he DOES lack judgement and leadership. The article linked here talks about his throwing talent--no doubt, he has a great arm and can make some throws that other QBs cannot. But what the writer fails to acknowledge is judgement and character--and those two qualities DO matter for a QB. We have seen with Tebow how far leadership can take a QB and how much throwing talent it can compensate. Nevertheless, I do think Marshall is the perfect receiver for Cutler because he has the size and the ability to compete for every throw. He needs a QB who can wing it and isn't afraid to throw it in tight coverage; and he will reward the QB who does so by snagging most of those throws. I do see a big uptick in Cutler's performance and I do see him as a low end top 10 QB in 2012. He may even win a SB someday, but his leadership IS a deficit.
How do you know he lacks leadership/character?The last two years he led Chicago to a home game in the NFC Championship and to a 7-3 record.
Some folks make up their mind about a player and are loathe to re-evaluate and change their initial assessment.az_prof does not like Cutler; he has accepted a narrative of Cutler as a "poor leader", "bad guy", "dumb decision maker", etc. and continues to cling to it. He accepts any negatives ever spewed about Jay as the gospel, and his justifications have at times been as superficial as reading too much into facial expressions and body language. IMO this has negatively skewed his perception of Jay's ability and accomplishments, with Cutler he'll always take the "glass half empty" approach. I still find valuable insights in az_prof's postings, but I also keep in mind that he has a propensity for discounting certain players he doesn't like even when there is evidence to suggest a re-assessment may be in order...
 
wtf why isn't he playing against the Broncos tonight? Was really looking forward to Von and Doom smacking him around for a series

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