How do you feel about Jahvid Best? (1 Viewer)

[madet0rder]

I know concussions have been a big issue for him. But I think the Lions are finally realizing how valuable he is and will start using him as a Sproles type player with around 10-15 carries per game. For some reason, I'm not too worried about another concussion. And his potential is so high, he could be at least a top 10 RB in PPR.

Any thoughts? Maybe I should be more worried than I am.

 

[Banemorth]

You should be. One more good hit and his career is over. Even in a Sproles type roll he's going to take some shots.

I'm buying Kevin Smith wherever I can. I think he becomes the man in Detroit.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

As a Jahvid Best owner in his 2 short years in the NFL, I feel like he is done. Maybe worth a near last round flyer. Maybe.

 

[lbouchard]

His current ADP is in the 9th round. Guys around that price are Collie, Dalton, Cook, D-Will, Blount, etc. At that price I'm buying. I think his upside is top 10 back, as you said. If I trade D-Will for him and he gets concussed again, I'll cut my losses and move on.

 

[Sabertooth]

I give him 50/50 of ever playing another snap. I give him a 10% chance of playing until he's 28

 

[the turnip]

I think I am really, really glad that I traded him BEFORE the start of last season. Dumb luck. I don't see the NFL taking head injuries lately. Even if he does play again, as his owner I would cringe with every hit he takes. I can't handle that kind of pressure.

 

[loose circuits]

Some people's brains just.scramble easier then others

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

the concussion that knocked him out vs SF wasnt even a helmet to helmet it. It was his head boucning off the turf at Ford Field.

He is borderline done already

 

[Touchdown There]

the concussion that knocked him out vs SF wasnt even a helmet to helmet it. It was his head boucning off the turf at Ford Field. He is borderline done already

Which is the same way that he concussed himself at Cal.

 

[bengalbuck]

I think Jahvid Best is the biggest risk/reward guy in all of fantasy football right now (at least in PPR leagues).

I took him at 9.05 in a 12 team PPR dynasty startup a few months ago knowing full well that there was a chance he would never play again. Or that he'd come back and take one big hit and be out for the season (or career) again. His injury risk is as high as there is in all of football.

But the reward is huge as well. He was averaging 4.5 receptions per game last season. Over a full year, that's 72 catches. He was also averaging just under 50 yards receiving and 65 yards rushing per game. Over a full season, that's 800 yards receiving and over 1,000 rushing. So, his pace was 1,800 total yards, 72 catches and about 8 TDs. Almost 300 pts. in normal PPR scoring. That's pretty close to Ray Rice territory. And he just turned 23 and is on arguably the best young offense in football.

So, best case you're getting a 23 year old with Ray Rice level production. Worst case, you've completely wasted a pick and get absolutely nothing. It's a big gamble and I think everyone has to weigh the risk/reward. I think at this point, you're crazy if you're counting on him as one of your top 2 or 3 RBs. I couldnt' take him in the first 6-7 rounds when you're hoping to draft reliable starters. But, once you get into the part of the draft where you're drafting RB3s and RB4s, I think he's well worth the risk.

 

[MAC_32]

If I had him in a dyno I'd hold, you really can't get anything for him so your best bet is to wait and see and hope he beats the odds. Startup? Not touching him. Redraft? I'd look him up late as a 4th RB, that guy usually ends up getting dropped anyway so I may as well use it on a high upside guy like Best.

 

[Sweet Love]

In another era, I think he would be cleared and playing and keep playing until he "had" to stop...and be a vegetable by 40. In this day and age (literally, this year), he is the poster boy for keeping someone off the field. In fact, things are so tight right now about concussions, I would not be surprised at all to see him fail to get on the field again in a game, and see a healthy Best sue the league in 10 years for keeping him out...situation would remind me of some prize fighters failing to get cleared to fight again.

 

[Prussian]

In a word - LeShoure.

Best's value is only as good as his ability to stay in the game until LeShoure is back from the suspension I am sure he has coming. Two games? Four?

Great value and talent, but his history is concerning for him as a human being - regardless of football. Hope he makes good decisions for his future if he starts feeling the effects again - which I believe is just a matter of time.

 

[Da Guru]

I think Jahvid Best is the biggest risk/reward guy in all of fantasy football right now (at least in PPR leagues). I took him at 9.05 in a 12 team PPR dynasty startup a few months ago knowing full well that there was a chance he would never play again. Or that he'd come back and take one big hit and be out for the season (or career) again. His injury risk is as high as there is in all of football. But the reward is huge as well. He was averaging 4.5 receptions per game last season. Over a full year, that's 72 catches. He was also averaging just under 50 yards receiving and 65 yards rushing per game. Over a full season, that's 800 yards receiving and over 1,000 rushing. So, his pace was 1,800 total yards, 72 catches and about 8 TDs. Almost 300 pts. in normal PPR scoring. That's pretty close to Ray Rice territory. And he just turned 23 and is on arguably the best young offense in football. So, best case you're getting a 23 year old with Ray Rice level production. Worst case, you've completely wasted a pick and get absolutely nothing. It's a big gamble and I think everyone has to weigh the risk/reward. I think at this point, you're crazy if you're counting on him as one of your top 2 or 3 RBs. I couldnt' take him in the first 6-7 rounds when you're hoping to draft reliable starters. But, once you get into the part of the draft where you're drafting RB3s and RB4s, I think he's well worth the risk.

Best will not get anywhere near Ray Rice production from this season on even if healthy. If..If Best can come back his touches will be limited. If Best is still around after the 9th or 10th why not take a chance. The Lions have already stated they want to start the season with another RB to go along with Kevin Smith, LaShoure and Best.

 

[Tomfin2000]

In a dynasty, I'm waiting for him to pop off one big game and I'm selling. In a redraft, especially a PPR, I take him in that 8th or 9th round, enjoy a couple of big games, and then plug in LeShore who I used one of my last picks on and laugh all the way to the playoffs.

One more thing: From a moral standpoint, Best shouldn't allowed back on the field. Period.

 

[bengalbuck]

I think Jahvid Best is the biggest risk/reward guy in all of fantasy football right now (at least in PPR leagues). I took him at 9.05 in a 12 team PPR dynasty startup a few months ago knowing full well that there was a chance he would never play again. Or that he'd come back and take one big hit and be out for the season (or career) again. His injury risk is as high as there is in all of football. But the reward is huge as well. He was averaging 4.5 receptions per game last season. Over a full year, that's 72 catches. He was also averaging just under 50 yards receiving and 65 yards rushing per game. Over a full season, that's 800 yards receiving and over 1,000 rushing. So, his pace was 1,800 total yards, 72 catches and about 8 TDs. Almost 300 pts. in normal PPR scoring. That's pretty close to Ray Rice territory. And he just turned 23 and is on arguably the best young offense in football. So, best case you're getting a 23 year old with Ray Rice level production. Worst case, you've completely wasted a pick and get absolutely nothing. It's a big gamble and I think everyone has to weigh the risk/reward. I think at this point, you're crazy if you're counting on him as one of your top 2 or 3 RBs. I couldnt' take him in the first 6-7 rounds when you're hoping to draft reliable starters. But, once you get into the part of the draft where you're drafting RB3s and RB4s, I think he's well worth the risk.

Best will not get anywhere near Ray Rice production from this season on even if healthy. If..If Best can come back his touches will be limited. If Best is still around after the 9th or 10th why not take a chance. The Lions have already stated they want to start the season with another RB to go along with Kevin Smith, LaShoure and Best.

Maybe not quite Ray Rice stats in terms of rushing yards and what he did last season, but Best's 19 PPG last season was good for 6th best amongst RBs in PPR. 19 PPG is about what Rice has averaged throughout his career...A better comparison usage-wise might be Darren Sproles, though Sproles only averaged about 5 carries per game last season and I think Best will get more than that. Best put up those 19 PPG on an average of 18 touches per game. He's a big play guy and if he gets 4-6 catches a game and 10-12 carries, with his talents and in that offense, he'll produce big numbers. Just my opinion, but if healthy he'll be one of those guys (like Sproles) who doesn't necessarily look like a fantasy RB1, but when you add up the numbers, he'll be top 12 at the end of the year.

 

[bengalbuck]

I'll add one more stat to bolster my argument. As a rookie, Jahvid Best had 49 reception in the Lions first 10 games before getting injured, missing a game and being hobbled when he did return.

Doesn't take a whole lot of math to figure out that's pretty close to 5 receptions per game. 5x16= 80 catches over a full season. If he gets even close to those numbers he's a big-time fantasy RB.

 

[buck naked]

the concussion that knocked him out vs SF wasnt even a helmet to helmet it. It was his head boucning off the turf at Ford Field. He is borderline done already

Agree 100%. I'll never draft him again. One minor hit and he will be done for good.

 

[bagger]

I know concussions have been a big issue for him. But I think the Lions are finally realizing how valuable he is and will start using him as a Sproles type player with around 10-15 carries per game. For some reason, I'm not too worried about another concussion. And his potential is so high, he could be at least a top 10 RB in PPR.Any thoughts? Maybe I should be more worried than I am.

Unless he is available in a very late round in a redraft, I wouldn't touch him.I would draft his "backup" ahead of him since that "backup" will out produce him.

 

[bagger]

His current ADP is in the 9th round. Guys around that price are Collie, Dalton, Cook, D-Will, Blount, etc. At that price I'm buying. I think his upside is top 10 back, as you said. If I trade D-Will for him and he gets concussed again, I'll cut my losses and move on.

No way. There are starters you can be drafting for your team at that in a wr3, te, or even a QB if your style is to wait.Still way too much risk in the 9th round.

 

[Quint]

will not draft. one hit or awkward fall away from ending his career.

too bad for him. he was an electric player when healthy.

 

[Boone22]

I just don't understand the overflowing love for this guy. He's averaging 3.7 YPC for his career. He's missed 10 games in two years. And for everyone who keeps pointing to his 4.6 YPC in 2011 before getting hurt, plain old Kevin Smith averaged 4.9 YPC behind the same O-line last year. IF Best comes back healthy, I don't see him as anything more than a 5-10 touch per game role player/ change of pace RB.

 

[jwb]

His owners think he's worth a fortune, as if nothing ever happened.

Guess I would feel that way if I owned him too. I'd also be looking to dump asap.

 

[Da Guru]

I think Jahvid Best is the biggest risk/reward guy in all of fantasy football right now (at least in PPR leagues). I took him at 9.05 in a 12 team PPR dynasty startup a few months ago knowing full well that there was a chance he would never play again. Or that he'd come back and take one big hit and be out for the season (or career) again. His injury risk is as high as there is in all of football. But the reward is huge as well. He was averaging 4.5 receptions per game last season. Over a full year, that's 72 catches. He was also averaging just under 50 yards receiving and 65 yards rushing per game. Over a full season, that's 800 yards receiving and over 1,000 rushing. So, his pace was 1,800 total yards, 72 catches and about 8 TDs. Almost 300 pts. in normal PPR scoring. That's pretty close to Ray Rice territory. And he just turned 23 and is on arguably the best young offense in football. So, best case you're getting a 23 year old with Ray Rice level production. Worst case, you've completely wasted a pick and get absolutely nothing. It's a big gamble and I think everyone has to weigh the risk/reward. I think at this point, you're crazy if you're counting on him as one of your top 2 or 3 RBs. I couldnt' take him in the first 6-7 rounds when you're hoping to draft reliable starters. But, once you get into the part of the draft where you're drafting RB3s and RB4s, I think he's well worth the risk.

Best will not get anywhere near Ray Rice production from this season on even if healthy. If..If Best can come back his touches will be limited. If Best is still around after the 9th or 10th why not take a chance. The Lions have already stated they want to start the season with another RB to go along with Kevin Smith, LaShoure and Best.

Maybe not quite Ray Rice stats in terms of rushing yards and what he did last season, but Best's 19 PPG last season was good for 6th best amongst RBs in PPR. 19 PPG is about what Rice has averaged throughout his career...A better comparison usage-wise might be Darren Sproles, though Sproles only averaged about 5 carries per game last season and I think Best will get more than that. Best put up those 19 PPG on an average of 18 touches per game. He's a big play guy and if he gets 4-6 catches a game and 10-12 carries, with his talents and in that offense, he'll produce big numbers. Just my opinion, but if healthy he'll be one of those guys (like Sproles) who doesn't necessarily look like a fantasy RB1, but when you add up the numbers, he'll be top 12 at the end of the year.

I am not saying Best is not capable..just saying the Lions are never going to give him the work load needed to put up those kind of numbers.

 

[Phenix]

I see a lot of people drinking the media flavored water.

Jahvid Best in the 9th round? I'll take him, and did. Thats about the round you take players with risk anyways.

I love how everyone is a doctor. Can he be done after one hit? Sure, but I'll take the value as it is just the same as any rookie you would take there in the 9th.

 

[bagger]

I see a lot of people drinking the media flavored water.Jahvid Best in the 9th round? I'll take him, and did. Thats about the round you take players with risk anyways.I love how everyone is a doctor. Can he be done after one hit? Sure, but I'll take the value as it is just the same as any rookie you would take there in the 9th.

I didn't know I was forced to take best or a rookie rob that round...

 

[beef]

Done. He should retire before his brain becomes a fried egg.

 

[Phenix]

I see a lot of people drinking the media flavored water.Jahvid Best in the 9th round? I'll take him, and did. Thats about the round you take players with risk anyways.I love how everyone is a doctor. Can he be done after one hit? Sure, but I'll take the value as it is just the same as any rookie you would take there in the 9th.

I didn't know I was forced to take best or a rookie rob that round...

Yes, because that is what I obviously said!

 

[dickey moe]

I see a lot of people drinking the media flavored water.Jahvid Best in the 9th round? I'll take him, and did. Thats about the round you take players with risk anyways.I love how everyone is a doctor. Can he be done after one hit? Sure, but I'll take the value as it is just the same as any rookie you would take there in the 9th.

I didn't know I was forced to take best or a rookie rob that round...

Yes, because that is what I obviously said!

If he's deemed healthy and he plays, he could be a potential SOD. Unless some doc says he definitely shouldn't play, there's no way should he be lasting until Round 9 in any drafts.

 

[bonesman]

I see a lot of people drinking the media flavored water.Jahvid Best in the 9th round? I'll take him, and did. Thats about the round you take players with risk anyways.I love how everyone is a doctor. Can he be done after one hit? Sure, but I'll take the value as it is just the same as any rookie you would take there in the 9th.

Yea, I'll probably take a shot if he's around in the 9th round. His PPG is good so the 2 or 3 games he's in he'll probably be solid and you can possibly trade him to an unsuspecting owner.But his last 3 seasons of football have been cut short by concussions. Pretty silly to expect anything less for 2012.

 

[Phenix]

I see a lot of people drinking the media flavored water.Jahvid Best in the 9th round? I'll take him, and did. Thats about the round you take players with risk anyways.I love how everyone is a doctor. Can he be done after one hit? Sure, but I'll take the value as it is just the same as any rookie you would take there in the 9th.

Yea, I'll probably take a shot if he's around in the 9th round. His PPG is good so the 2 or 3 games he's in he'll probably be solid and you can possibly trade him to an unsuspecting owner.But his last 3 seasons of football have been cut short by concussions. Pretty silly to expect anything less for 2012.

But it a risk worth taking considering what else is on the board for runners at that time. If you can handcuff him with LaSmoke I think its even better of a move. I did in my start up, maybe thats why I feel a little better about it.

 

[Boone22]

Kevin Smith has added muscle mass while slimming down from 217 pounds to 209 this offseason.

"I'm healthy, so I've been able to attack my lifting," Smith said. He believes he's as quick as he's ever been, and observers have noted that he looks "stronger and more explosive" in OTAs. Smith is an intriguing fantasy wildcard with two question marks in front of him in the Detroit backfield.

Somebody's HUNGRY!!!!!

 

[NeverEnough]

Since I can't trade him for anything, I'm just going to hope...

 

[matttyl]

Kevin Smith has added muscle mass while slimming down from 217 pounds to 209 this offseason.

"I'm healthy, so I've been able to attack my lifting," Smith said. He believes he's as quick as he's ever been, and observers have noted that he looks "stronger and more explosive" in OTAs. Smith is an intriguing fantasy wildcard with two question marks in front of him in the Detroit backfield.

Somebody's HUNGRY!!!!!

Where are people seeing the 3 Detroit RBs getting drafted? I ask because last year in my league Best was a top 12 RB before his injury in week 6, and Smith was a top 12 RB over the last part of the season. If your roster is deep enough, why not grab all 3 with late pick and use the "hot hand" as your #2 or flex guy? Or do you think they will all be splitting even when healthy/not suspended?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I have been saying over in the mock drafts forum for awhile that Kevin Smith will be the guy to own in Detroit.

best will get carries while able but I think they lighten his load this season alot.

We have no idea how long LeShoure will be suspended or how recovered he is from his injuries.

 

[Sabertooth]

I have been saying over in the mock drafts forum for awhile that Kevin Smith will be the guy to own in Detroit.best will get carries while able but I think they lighten his load this season alot. We have no idea how long LeShoure will be suspended or how recovered he is from his injuries.

Kevin Smith is fragile. Always was.

 

[cstu]

I have been saying over in the mock drafts forum for awhile that Kevin Smith will be the guy to own in Detroit.best will get carries while able but I think they lighten his load this season alot. We have no idea how long LeShoure will be suspended or how recovered he is from his injuries.

What is the ADP of these guys? I like Leshoure's chances of being the last man standing at the end of the season.

 

[matttyl]

Kevin Smith is fragile. Always was.

Oh yeah, he looked really fragile his rookie year! Yeah, he had a horrible knee injury which took time to recover from (many NFL RBs do - Charles and Peterson and Mendy this last year). He was rushed back last year without a proper training camp and likely not in 100% football shape and you saw what happened. This time around he's full go for the offseason and part of all the team activities. I'd argue that Best is FAR more "fragile" than Smith, and LeShoure still hasn't taken his first NFL snap (and likely hasn't passed his first true NFL drug test either, haha).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I have been saying over in the mock drafts forum for awhile that Kevin Smith will be the guy to own in Detroit.best will get carries while able but I think they lighten his load this season alot. We have no idea how long LeShoure will be suspended or how recovered he is from his injuries.

Kevin Smith is fragile. Always was.

Its a battle to see who is less fragile.kevin Smith is the best value at his draft position IMO

 

[MAC_32]

Kevin Smith has added muscle mass while slimming down from 217 pounds to 209 this offseason.

"I'm healthy, so I've been able to attack my lifting," Smith said. He believes he's as quick as he's ever been, and observers have noted that he looks "stronger and more explosive" in OTAs. Smith is an intriguing fantasy wildcard with two question marks in front of him in the Detroit backfield.

Somebody's HUNGRY!!!!!

Where are people seeing the 3 Detroit RBs getting drafted? I ask because last year in my league Best was a top 12 RB before his injury in week 6, and Smith was a top 12 RB over the last part of the season. If your roster is deep enough, why not grab all 3 with late pick and use the "hot hand" as your #2 or flex guy? Or do you think they will all be splitting even when healthy/not suspended?

Best - 28LeShoure - 43

Smith - 56

I think waiting for LeShoure + Smith is a sound strategy, but as long as Best is a top 40 pick I'm not touching him. A lot of upside with this group, but I think he's the worst dart of the 3 to throw. If grabbing all 3 is a feasible strategy come August as your 3rd, 4th, and 5th RB after the rest of the lineup is full I'm on board though.

 

[Eminence]

Take the guy who will be catching passes and protecting Stafford's blind-side.

 

[Sabertooth]

Take the guy who will be catching passes and protecting Stafford's blind-side.

If he can stay healthy, I think Best is a younger Sproles.

 

[cstu]

Kevin Smith is fragile. Always was.

Oh yeah, he looked really fragile his rookie year! Yeah, he had a horrible knee injury which took time to recover from (many NFL RBs do - Charles and Peterson and Mendy this last year). He was rushed back last year without a proper training camp and likely not in 100% football shape and you saw what happened. This time around he's full go for the offseason and part of all the team activities. I'd argue that Best is FAR more "fragile" than Smith, and LeShoure still hasn't taken his first NFL snap (and likely hasn't passed his first true NFL drug test either, haha).

I agree that Best is more 'fragile' since he's one hit from retirement. However, the Lions have nothing invested in Smith and aren't looking to make him there RB of the future. He's simply a stop-gap until they find out how Leshoure plays (as well as whether he can stay out of trouble) and if they need to draft another RB. They are going to give Leshoure every chance to prove himself this year.I would stay away from Best completely and take Leshoure and Smith in redrafts.

 

[mbuehner]

the concussion that knocked him out vs SF wasnt even a helmet to helmet it. It was his head boucning off the turf at Ford Field. He is borderline done already

Which is the same way that he concussed himself at Cal.

This is the way most concussions happen in football. Its the whiplash effect that causes problems, it might actually be worse than head to head.

 

[Sabertooth]

the concussion that knocked him out vs SF wasnt even a helmet to helmet it. It was his head boucning off the turf at Ford Field. He is borderline done already

Which is the same way that he concussed himself at Cal.

This is the way most concussions happen in football. Its the whiplash effect that causes problems, it might actually be worse than head to head.

Yup. He's obviously a huge risk/reward type of guy and his value should be adjusted as such. I looked at him as a guy who could be Top 15 or retired in any given season. He was a throwin I asked for and got. If he hits, great. But I'm surely not banking on that happening. I wouldn't pay much more than league minimum for him in an Auction format.