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How does Lienart affect Boldin / Fitz (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Texican
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I was about to agree to a trade for Boldin when the news starting coming out that Green was thinking about it. I waited to find out for sure and then the news broke later in the day.
Personally I think there value takes a bit of a hit initially. It may prove to be more beneficial at the end, but I don't see how they will improve. Edge might though.
Personally I think there value takes a bit of a hit initially. It may prove to be more beneficial at the end, but I don't see how they will improve. Edge might though.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't think that will take very long.
Otis
Footballguy
Based on Leinart's strengths/weaknesses, I think the affect may be negligible on Boldin, and may be somewhat negative on Fitzgerald.
Fitz is more of an over-the-top, deep receiver, with Boldin typically being the underneath/possession receiver. Leinart does not have a cannon, but is very good with short/accurate/touch throws. I think he'll look to Boldin quite a bit as a safety valve, and Boldin will again be a lock for 100 catches this year.
Fitz is more of an over-the-top, deep receiver, with Boldin typically being the underneath/possession receiver. Leinart does not have a cannon, but is very good with short/accurate/touch throws. I think he'll look to Boldin quite a bit as a safety valve, and Boldin will again be a lock for 100 catches this year.
Otis
Footballguy
I agree completely. Kid could end up ROY when it's all said and done.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Short term I don't think it will effect Fitz or Boldin much, long term it can only help them. Warner has two big negatives:
1) Turnover machine (fumbles, picks)
2) He is immobile, causing sacks and equally important doesn't allow a play to continue.
Leinart isn't likely to turn the ball over like Warner does and he's very likely to buy himself and his WRs time by moving in the pocket and outside of the pocket. That will only help WRs like Fitz and Boldin get downfield.
1) Turnover machine (fumbles, picks)
2) He is immobile, causing sacks and equally important doesn't allow a play to continue.
Leinart isn't likely to turn the ball over like Warner does and he's very likely to buy himself and his WRs time by moving in the pocket and outside of the pocket. That will only help WRs like Fitz and Boldin get downfield.
fanaticskinsfan
Footballguy
That is my biggest worry. I was offered Larry Fitzgerald yesterday afternoon before the announcement for Javon Walker & Joe Horn. ( I still have Driver & A. Johnson on my bench). I was sure to make the trade before, but now I don't know. Will Fitz's production drop off too much for this trade to be worth it? Will Boldin get the majority of throws because he is more of the possesion receiver? Will Dennis Green adjust to Leinhart strengths and both will still produce.I have a tough decision.
Unchanged, both are still stone cold studs.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Another consideration is Leinart's schedule the next few weeks
Team Pass D rank
@ Atl 17
KC 3
Chi 11
@ Oak 2
Team Pass D rank
@ Atl 17
KC 3
Chi 11
@ Oak 2
Otis
Footballguy
Holy crap. Did anyone else really think that the KC or Oakland defenses were any good?? This surprises me.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I think its skewed by the small sample used. Teams have not needed to pass on Oakland to win. San Diego and Baltimore probably didn't even need an offense to beat oakland, there defense could put up enough points. I think KC's pass defense is a bit better, but the Denver game had little offense.
Is it common for a bad team to rank highly in pass defense? Teams aren't exactly airing out against the Raiders when they find themselves up by a couple of scores in the first half, and the run game working well.
jafo
Out of Mind
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
The ranking is like the Packers from last year... if you cant stop the run, teams dont pass on you as much. The only ranking worth noting is the overall ranking.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Cincy walloped KC and barely threw the ball either...too early to be looking at Team D stats.San Diego played Oakland Week 1 and barely threw the ball.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
That's a little misleading. Green Bay last year ranked 13th overall in FP allowed to QBs, but 21st when you adjust for SOS. That difference of 8 slots is indicative of Green Bay facing the Trent Dilfers, Brian Grieses, Seneca Wallaces and Kyle Orton's of the world. The Packers faced some of the sorriest QBs last year, inflating their pass D ranking.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Overall D ranksAtl 14KC 8Chi 4Oak 10
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
These kind of rankings are negligible at this point. KC has faced two teams who just about exclusively stuck to the ground game, and Oakland hasn't offered any reasons to pass. It doesn't mean they're good at defending it. I think Zona has no choice but to throw and will do so to an extent not affected by these rankings.However, I think the Zona offense takes a major blow here. Is it possible Leinart fares decently? It's possible, but for a guy who missed virtually all of the preaseason, has virtually no offensive line or run game, and isn't exaclty known for throwing the deep ball, I can't see how Boldin and Fitz don't drop off a bit.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
So why did Green put him in?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I didn't read the rest of the thread. It's no secret I'm not a big fan of Matt Leinart, but for Pete's sake Fitz and Boldin are open and capable of making a catch on every single play because of the way they use their bodies. They were studs with Warner or McCown, and both of those QBs struggled regularly. Matt is going to do what he does-- complete short quick passes, slice and dice, give his wrs opportunities to make plays-- and you cannot pick a better situation for him anywhere in the league. As much as I criticized him, as soon as he was drafted I considered him QB1 in rookie drafts by a landslide (would have been the same for VY or Cutler had they gone to AZ). This is fantasy gold. Warner is a trainwreck and has been for a long time. If Leinart struggles will he be worse than Warner? I doubt it. Will Boldin and Fitz vanish? No way. The value is unchanged.
thatguythere
Footballguy
I agree. All you had to do is watch the game on Sunday. It was ugly. I still think he was cuckoo from a couple hits. Anyway I think Leinart will do fine as long as he is upright. I watched him in the preseason and he at the very very least can get out of the pocket and avoid a sack/hurried throw to allow the play to develop. Warner couldn't move, hence the fumbles when he gets squished by a DLmen.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
Frustration? A building cry for Leinart from the fans? Grit his teeth through the growing pains now rather than later because he didn't see the playoffs with Warner anyway? The bottom line is, in MY opinion, the Zona offense drops down here. I don't think I know more than Denny Green, but don't pretend that if he's doing it it MUST mean it will help the Cardinals. He's not all-knowing as far as I know.
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