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How does your league handle games that are tied? (1 Viewer)

Da Guru

Da Guru

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Some guys I golf with got me into one of their leagues.  100 dollar for the season league so it is not big time but the players compete hard.  Monday I am winning going into my game and the guy has Tucker going.  Tucker get his points and our game ends up tied.   I my other leagues the game ends a tie or the team with the most bench points get the tiebreaker.

I was 9-2 going into the game and check the standings the next morning and I am 9-3.   I text the guy running the league and ask what his tie breaker was and he says "The tie breaker is in the event of a tie the home team gets the win" I say I looked the leagues rules and there is no mention of that and he says.  "It is just the way I have always done it."

 
Huh. First time I have heard that used as a tiebreaker. Quite random  

With fractional scoring, we have a tie about every 3 or 4 years and we let the tie stand in the regular season. In the playoffs, we designate a tiebreaker player. Highest score wins. 

 
In the regular season a tie is a tie - in the playoffs everyone names an alternative player on their bench that acts as a tie-breaker.

 
Da Guru said:
Some guys I golf with got me into one of their leagues.  100 dollar for the season league so it is not big time but the players compete hard.  Monday I am winning going into my game and the guy has Tucker going.  Tucker get his points and our game ends up tied.   I my other leagues the game ends a tie or the team with the most bench points get the tiebreaker.

I was 9-2 going into the game and check the standings the next morning and I am 9-3.   I text the guy running the league and ask what his tie breaker was and he says "The tie breaker is in the event of a tie the home team gets the win" I say I looked the leagues rules and there is no mention of that and he says.  "It is just the way I have always done it."
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We've used that method before.

We let ties be ties.

Now with fractional scoring it rarely happens

 
HFA as a tiebreak makes more sense in the playoffs, where it translates into "higher seeded team wins ties."

In the regular season, it is equivalent to flipping a coin to resolve ties.  Not a fan.

 
we do have home team in one dynasty league that i am in.

the other just has ties, but uses decimal scoring at my suggestion from a few years ago.  Of course, we never had a tie before that and then had our first last year.

 
I don't see anything wrong with a tie in the regular season.  They are infrequent but they happen. 

The tie breaker we have used in leagues that use one is the highest scoring starting player.  We didn't want to use bench points because that hurts teams that have a bunch of guys on bye or injured.  By using the highest scoring starting player it gives the nod to the team that had the best player for the week.  Seemed like a good way to break a tie. 

In a kids and family league we just started up we had a tie in the playoff game last year.  Since we didn't have anything in place at the time of the tie, I had both teams continue and the team with the highest score the following week "advanced" and that score was used for that week's matchup against whichever team they would have played had they won the previous week.  It worked out well and let the matter be settled on the "field".  All teams involved thought it worked well. 

 
We use the total score of your bench players. (We had 2 ties this year)

This way it's not one player deciding. You've got 6 other possible guys. If one of your bench guys goes off and you sat him, then you get some satisfaction in that he helped you break a tie. That's what happened last week in my league.  

 
BigDave said:
We use the total score of your bench players. (We had 2 ties this year)

This way it's not one player deciding. You've got 6 other possible guys. If one of your bench guys goes off and you sat him, then you get some satisfaction in that he helped you break a tie. That's what happened last week in my league.  
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So if you have 4 bench guys on bye you are totally screwed. 

 
Regular season:  let tie stand

Playoffs:  Home team (higher seeded) team wins.   We do not factor bench players at all.

 
From our rules: "Tie breakers for playoff games only will be decided by adding each individual players percentage points." 

I firmly believe this is the fairest way to break a tie. 

 
Fractional doubleheader league and we had a tie for the last win against the league. Our tiebreaker is whichever team had the highest scoring starting player. 

 
zftcg said:
OK, I'll bite: what is the "home" team in a fantasy football match-up?
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Some sites create schedules that include home and away team designations.  It is up to the league if they want to put any significance on it.  Some leagues may want to give 1 point or two advantage for the "home" team.  My league ignores it during the regular season and just chalks it up to a tie. 

In the playoffs we do say the higher seeded team is the home team.  If a playoff game ends in a tie the higher seeded team would advance.  (We have decimal scoring so it has never happened in over 20 years).

 
Godsbrother said:
Some sites create schedules that include home and away team designations.  It is up to the league if they want to put any significance on it.  Some leagues may want to give 1 point or two advantage for the "home" team.  My league ignores it during the regular season and just chalks it up to a tie. 

In the playoffs we do say the higher seeded team is the home team.  If a playoff game ends in a tie the higher seeded team would advance.  (We have decimal scoring so it has never happened in over 20 years).
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To me it seems terrible to use and arbitrary "Home" team designation to decide any game.  The playoffs is a little bit different because the regular season performance led to the designation so it does have some merit.  I still think that something else should be used as a tie break than "the higher seed wins" but at least a team earned the higher seed. 

I still like the highest scoring starting player.  That way the team with the best player that game gets the win. 

 
I'm in one CBS league and have argued for decimal scoring for years, but the commissioner keeps it whole numbers. (So in PPR where 10 yards equals 1 point, a guy who has one run for 9 yards and gets 1 catch for 9 yards scores 1 point, but a guy who catches one pass for 10 yards gets 2 points. It's stupid.) In that league, we have one or two ties a year. The tie-breaker is bench points. As mentioned, if you have a bunch of guys on bye, you're penalized. But more than that, if you have a ton of bench points, more than likely it means you failed to set an optimal lineup. That's poor management. It shouldn't be rewarded.

 
Gally said:
In a kids and family league we just started up we had a tie in the playoff game last year.  Since we didn't have anything in place at the time of the tie, I had both teams continue and the team with the highest score the following week "advanced" and that score was used for that week's matchup against whichever team they would have played had they won the previous week.  It worked out well and let the matter be settled on the "field".  All teams involved thought it worked well. 
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I find it hard to believe that the team that played the "winner" of those teams that tied thought it was fair.  In concept, it is very fair to the teams that tied but it really screws their next opponent as he has to beat 2 teams instead of 1.  

 
Don't Noonan said:
I find it hard to believe that the team that played the "winner" of those teams that tied thought it was fair.  In concept, it is very fair to the teams that tied but it really screws their next opponent as he has to beat 2 teams instead of 1.  
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Just going to mention that. The one team had to beat both of the teams that tied to advance. 

 
Really, the home team gets the win!?!? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard for a fantasy football league. Especially with it not being in the rules. I would not be in that sorry league next year if I were you.

 
phandango said:
I'm in one CBS league and have argued for decimal scoring for years, but the commissioner keeps it whole numbers. (So in PPR where 10 yards equals 1 point, a guy who has one run for 9 yards and gets 1 catch for 9 yards scores 1 point, but a guy who catches one pass for 10 yards gets 2 points. It's stupid.) In that league, we have one or two ties a year. The tie-breaker is bench points. As mentioned, if you have a bunch of guys on bye, you're penalized. But more than that, if you have a ton of bench points, more than likely it means you failed to set an optimal lineup. That's poor management. It shouldn't be rewarded.
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Maybe I'm old-school but I see nothing wrong with ties. Leaving a tie a tie beats the hell out of most tie-breaking methods I've seen employed over the years (including bench scoring, which infuriates me for exactly the reason you mention). In the playoffs, "higher seed advances in case of a tie" is the only way to go.

FYI, CBS does have a setting that combines rushing and receiving yards into one bucket for scoring purposes, so a guy with 11 yards rushing and 9 receiving would get 2 points instead of 1. I don't know why any league that doesn't use decimal scoring wouldn't at least enable that.

 
Gally said:
To me it seems terrible to use and arbitrary "Home" team designation to decide any game.  The playoffs is a little bit different because the regular season performance led to the designation so it does have some merit.  I still think that something else should be used as a tie break than "the higher seed wins" but at least a team earned the higher seed. 

I still like the highest scoring starting player.  That way the team with the best player that game gets the win. 
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I agree that "higher seed wins" feels intuitively unfair, but one advantage is that it's unambiguous and can never result in a second-level tie. As long as you play in fractional scoring leagues where ties are exceedingly unlikely, it's probably fine.

But yeah, arbitrary home team designations during the regular season are silly. Just leave it as a tie.

 
Gally said:
To me it seems terrible to use and arbitrary "Home" team designation to decide any game.  The playoffs is a little bit different because the regular season performance led to the designation so it does have some merit.  I still think that something else should be used as a tie break than "the higher seed wins" but at least a team earned the higher seed. 

I still like the highest scoring starting player.  That way the team with the best player that game gets the win. 
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In our case I think the feeling was that if a game is tied then the better team over the course of the season should advance.  

 
Wooderson said:
Just going to mention that. The one team had to beat both of the teams that tied to advance. 
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It was a friends and family league with our kids.  Age ranged from 10 -15 for the kids.  Everyone agreed with the tie breaker method since we didn't have one already in place.  Even the affected teams whose matchups were affected by the outcome of the tie. 

I understand your thought but the way it worked out is if one team won they played Team A....if the other team won they played Team B due to seeding.  So Team C was bounced around depending on which team won the "tie".  It was actually pretty exciting and everyone liked it.  Like I said though, it was a family league so  everyone just enjoyed the strangeness of the situation.

 
Godsbrother said:
In our case I think the feeling was that if a game is tied then the better team over the course of the season should advance.  
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If I had to be the all-knowing Commish of all leagues (and get Roger Goodell's salary to boot), this would be my playoff tie-breaker. Regular season ties are not a problem to me, they actually help separate teams at the end for playoff berths.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
Maybe I'm old-school but I see nothing wrong with ties. Leaving a tie a tie beats the hell out of most tie-breaking methods I've seen employed over the years (including bench scoring, which infuriates me for exactly the reason you mention). In the playoffs, "higher seed advances in case of a tie" is the only way to go.

FYI, CBS does have a setting that combines rushing and receiving yards into one bucket for scoring purposes, so a guy with 11 yards rushing and 9 receiving would get 2 points instead of 1. I don't know why any league that doesn't use decimal scoring wouldn't at least enable that.
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I don't see anything wrong with ties, either. But the commissioner is a "we've always done it this way" kind of guy.

However, new commish is supposed to be taking over, so I'll make sure to relay your suggestion. (I'm a commissioner in a bunch of MFL leagues but have never seen commish settings on CBS.) Thanks!

 
agree with all of you that a tie is a tie, but a good point i see here is what do you do in a single elimination playoff scenario? regular season our ties are left as ties, but i could see his being a problem for playoffs. luckily we're on decimal system and we've never had a tie outside of regular season. liking some of your rules, i'll need to apply this before playoffs begin. i figure whatever rule we set is fair as long as it's stated and agreed upon before it happens.

 
reg season Ties are Ties

Play-offs

To those suggesting bench points ........ ."what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. "

Not started = no points

Highest scoring qb  If still tied then highest scoring Rb then  WR .... TE ..... all having been started of course DUH

 
I had a tie this year to the hundredth of a decimal point . . . And lost because I was the away team.  It’s pretty infuriating.

 
Decimal scoring 

Ties Stand in Regular Season

Ties in playoffs go to the higher seed

Problem solved. Zero random BS, favors the better team if push comes to shove. 

 
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Tool said:
Bench points makes no sense. Might as well use longest schlong.

In both my leagues a tie is a tie.
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We use longest schlong...

Everybody was happy with until last season when my brother lost a game.... to a team run by two women.

 
efactor said:
Huh. First time I have heard that used as a tiebreaker. Quite random  

With fractional scoring, we have a tie about every 3 or 4 years and we let the tie stand in the regular season. In the playoffs, we designate a tiebreaker player. Highest score wins. 
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Yep. 

From our rules:

Tie during a playoff game:

In the unlikely event that two teams tie in a playoff game, the team with home field advantage will be deemed the winner.  The HFA team is determined by playoff seeding (determined above).

 
regular season = tie is a tie

playoffs = tiebreakers are spelled out, and consist of specifc position scoring

 
Standard scoring league initially, and lots of ties.

Switched to decimal scoring about 10 years ago.  We had a tie that year.

The next year I added 0.01 points for DSTs for every kickoff, punt, INT, and DFR return yard.  Never had a tie again, and the defenses didn’t really score that much more.  I will say when you lose by 5 hundredths of a point it really stings though!

 
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Decimal scoring 

Ties Stand in Regular Season

Ties in playoffs go to the higher seed

Problem solved. Zero random BS, favors the better team if push comes to shove. 
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We haven't ever had a tie in almost 20 years, but these are our rules also.

 
Godsbrother said:
In our case I think the feeling was that if a game is tied then the better team over the course of the season should advance.  
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I lost a playoff game a few years ago with a team that went 9-4 but was 2nd in the division to an 11-2 team.  I ended up with the 5 seed and played the 4 seed, who was a 7-6 division winner.  we ended up tying and the tie-breaker was the higher seed advanced.  the lesson here is that the higher seed is not always the better team.  I had a better record and far more points, just had the unfortunate circumstance of being in a loaded division.  

 
jomar said:
I lost a playoff game a few years ago with a team that went 9-4 but was 2nd in the division to an 11-2 team.  I ended up with the 5 seed and played the 4 seed, who was a 7-6 division winner.  we ended up tying and the tie-breaker was the higher seed advanced.  the lesson here is that the higher seed is not always the better team.  I had a better record and far more points, just had the unfortunate circumstance of being in a loaded division.  
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We now use the CBS Power Rankings for standings and seeds.  Ties in the Power Ranking are broken first by head-to-head record and then total points scored.  

 
jomar said:
I lost a playoff game a few years ago with a team that went 9-4 but was 2nd in the division to an 11-2 team.  I ended up with the 5 seed and played the 4 seed, who was a 7-6 division winner.  we ended up tying and the tie-breaker was the higher seed advanced.  the lesson here is that the higher seed is not always the better team.  I had a better record and far more points, just had the unfortunate circumstance of being in a loaded division.  
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This raises an important point: What is the purpose of divisions? Is it just another attempt to map the NFL onto fantasy? In your case, it sounds like you have four divisions, which seems particularly silly. I successfully lobbied my 16-team league to switch from four to two last year, but honestly, I don't know why we have them at all. My 14-team league did away with them completely a few years ago, mostly because Yahoo's default scheduling is a mess (it will have you play some teams twice, regardless of division, and other teams not at all), and the commish didn't feel like adjusting it manually every year.

The one scenario where I think divisions make sense is if you have history behind the rivalries AND if you play everyone in the division an equal number of times. For example, if you have a 10-team league, each divisional opponent can face off twice, plus a single game against the teams in the other division. Heck, you could have a 16-team league with a 14-game regular season consisting of nothing but divisional match-ups. But if you're just doing it to mimic the NFL, why even bother?

 
Spock said:
From our rules: "Tie breakers for playoff games only will be decided by adding each individual players percentage points." 

I firmly believe this is the fairest way to break a tie. 
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I have no clue what this means

 
swabs said:
I have no clue what this means
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Most scoring systems are:

1 pt for every 10 rushing yards

1 pt for every 10 receiving yards

1 point for every 20 passing yards

Player gets 86 rushing yards, that would = 8 points

If you tied your opponent during the playoffs, the extra 6 yards would equate to a percentage (.6)

 
Spock said:
Most scoring systems are:

1 pt for every 10 rushing yards

1 pt for every 10 receiving yards

1 point for every 20 passing yards

Player gets 86 rushing yards, that would = 8 points

If you tied your opponent during the playoffs, the extra 6 yards would equate to a percentage (.6)
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so why not just use decimal scoring in the first place and not just as a tie-breaker?

 
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