How far has Sam Bradford fallen (1 Viewer)

[Gawain]

After last year, many of us on the board looked at Bradford's rookie season as the best since Peyton's. Many thought that Bradford would take the next big step to becoming a QB1 this season and there were even a few people who took Bradford as the first QB in a QBBC. Right before the season, Bradford had settled in as QB #14 on FFC.

Then, this year happened.

2010: 16 games 354 completions 590 attempts 60% completion % 3512 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs 7 Fumbles

2011: 10 games 191 completions 357 Attempts 53.5% completion % 2164 yards 6 TDs 6 INTs 10 Fumbles

We have seen many players suffer from a sophmore slump before, but Bradford's strikes me as particularly bad, even when injuries are not taken into account. While we were all very impressed by a rookie with a completion % at 60 last year, his 53.5% this year clocks in at 49th in the NFL.While Feeley and Clemens have not been stellar, they have both completed passes at a higher rate than Bradford. His other numbers are just as scary. His fumbling problem has gotten much worse. His Y/A and Y/G have stayed basically flat. His sack total is more this year than last, even with 6 fewer games.

So, how much blame has to go to the offensive line and how much is Bradford's? Some has to be on the offensive line, but he surely has fallen from the lofty heights of the top 8 dynasty QB's moving forward. My question is how far? The no doubt QB1's are ahead of him easily (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Newton, Stafford, Romo, Rivers, Ryan, Big Ben.) I don't think he offers more than the higher-upside, question-mark guys either (Luck, RGIII, E Manning, Vick, Schaub, Dalton, Cutler.) That's 16 QB's already ahead of him when some had him top-8 at the beginning of the year. Then I think it's a matter of personal preference for the next group (Sanchez, Palmer, Flacco, Tebow, Fitzpatrick, Freeman, Kolb.)

No one will be treating him as a QB #1 this year and I think most people would be skeptical of holding him as a QB2. Has his stock fallen so fast and so far that he is now only worth holding as a longshot QB3 or am I severely overreacting?

 

[duaneok66]

Im think he's still a top 24 QB (WR2). His talent and reputed work ethic will get him back to form in 2012. He also needs another receiver and a healthy OL.

Translation: In dynasty, he is a hold (with little to NO trade value right now).

 

[hostile]

I dont think he has "little to no value", but its not what it was last year.

The kid is going to be a star if they can get him someone to catch the damn ball and a line to keep him off of the turf.

He's definitely a hold/buy low.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Really regret buying him last year from the fact that I think he is a perfect dynasty buy-low right now.

 

[r0llin_game]

To the credit of Bradford, he had a brand new OC in JMD, along with all the injuries the Rams suffered, those things definitely hindered Bradford. He does at least have a #1 WR in Brandon Lloyd and though I doubt they draft Blackmon, it'd really help with his progression.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Top 15 dynasty QB IMO. You can get him cheaper than that.

Great talent, dome QB. Perfect QB to buy low on & stash behind Brady/Manning/Brees

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'm still as high on Bradford as I was his rookie season. And I saw the sophomore slump coming from a mile away. Bradford wasn't what was wrong with the Rams this year.

 

[cstu]

Really regret buying him last year from the fact that I think he is a perfect dynasty buy-low right now.

I still don't think you can get him for less than a late 1st, maybe an early 2nd to an owner that doesn't need him or has given up.

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

His value will stay low for another year. Playing for his 3rd OC in 3 years in 2012, he'll likely struggle. As long as he doesn't lose confidence, I still think he'll become a top-5 QB in 2013 or 2014. But that's a long time to wait on production.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

No established receivers, multiple rookie receivers, too short of a training camp, new offensive system to pick up, multiple injuries around him, poor OL play (plus injuries), tougher schedule, and, finally, his own injury.

I expect better things next year as he has a whole offseason to get familiar with his receivers and the offense. My expectations are tempered, however, if McDaniels and Spagnulo are gone. Then it will be ANOTHER system to implement, in which case it will be 2013 before we see useful fantasy production.

Almost regardless of how good a NFL QB he becomes, he will have to have at least a pretty good corps of receivers to throw to in order to be a fantasy starter. Lloyd is a nice start, maybe a 2011 rookie steps up, maybe Amendola becomes a reliable slot guy and solves the dropsies that plagued the Rams in the first half of the year, maybe they sign a f/a. Drafting a WR likely still pushes hope for better things into 2013.

 

[Gawain]

Really regret buying him last year from the fact that I think he is a perfect dynasty buy-low right now.

I still don't think you can get him for less than a late 1st, maybe an early 2nd to an owner that doesn't need him or has given up.

That's still a lot lower than last year. I think most people would have traded the rights to Cam for Bradford at the beginning of the year. Now, that would be laughable, but I don't think the rights to Luck or RGIII would be traded for Bradford now.

 

[Shutout]

His value reminds me of where Stafford was last year at this time but for very different reasons.

I am buying him big time IF the coaching staff gets fired. While a lot of people want to say it was lack of WRs, etc, that hhurt him this year, I honestly believe that Josh McDaniels was just a terrible fit for him. I don't know what it is about McDaniels, but I see Orton playing good NFL football (not FF), and then he is exposed to McDaniels and its ugly. I see Bradford shine last year and then comes McDaniels and its ugly. I just don't think they let Bradford play HIS game this year and if it changes, I'm in.

On the other hand, if it all stays the same, I think Bradford remains limited in FF.

 

[Abraham]

He needs receivers.

That said, the guy has made it through one full season in three years. That is not inspiring.

 

[AmosMoses]

This guy will be forever injured in some way. I thought he was overrated exiting his rookie season and his stats say the same. People drooled over his potential, but he sure as hell didn't show much even when he was healthy. He is practically droppable in a dynasty, and he wouldn't be only if you can get something for him. The only reason he has value right now is because he is guaranteed to be a starter next year due to his gigantic contract and the Rams QB situation.

 

[smotherhook]

buy low

 

[FantasyTrader]

He needs receivers. That said, the guy has made it through one full season in three years. That is not inspiring.

See, for that reason - I don't think he needs receivers. He needs O-Line BAD. He's getting killed. 52 sacks and 110 QB hits allowed both highest in the league. Get the protection figured out, THEN you draft/trade for the playmakers. Also, I'm a Steven Jackson fan, but at this point in his career he's becoming more plodder than playmaker. Bradford could benefit from the addition of a slash-back on passing downs.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Well, the one thing I didn't like about him in college is his production was often tied to YAC.

Nobody threw or completed more passes short of the first down marker than Bradford in his rookie year.

But that was supposed to change this year, and we were supposed to see the Rams go vertical.

That didn't happen in the preseason or early or after he came back.

Maybe next year, eh?

Or maybe after he works with his 4th OC in 4/5/X seasons (whenever JMD gets canned), then it will be different.

Maybe.

 

[Jersey35]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:

Newton

Stafford

Tebow

Bradford

Freeman

Dalton

Flacco

Sanchez

Moore

Ponder

Kolb

 

[cvnpoka]

his rookie year just wasnt that good. terrible per pass metrics. he was overrated bc he threw a bunch and didnt get hurt allowing him to rack up nice counting stats.

 

[scott72]

The jury is still out. Lots of injuries, poor team.. Kid has a lot of talent..

 

[BeTheMatch]

This guy will be forever injured in some way. I thought he was overrated exiting his rookie season and his stats say the same. People drooled over his potential, but he sure as hell didn't show much even when he was healthy. He is practically droppable in a dynasty, and he wouldn't be only if you can get something for him. The only reason he has value right now is because he is guaranteed to be a starter next year due to his gigantic contract and the Rams QB situation.

I agree. I didn't get all the hype coming out of college, and I stayed away. Then people seemed to really overreact to a rookie season that wasn't all that great. Someone posted in a thread on here after last season that his stats weren't as good as people were making them out to be. The only reason his overall production was as high as it was is because he had a ton of attempts. He wasn't very efficient with them.I have bought very low on him in one my leagues (practically free), but if they don't change the staff there and make some moves to give some ray of hope this offseason, I'll cut him loose and go in another direction.

 

[azgroover]

If this kid and Landry don't pan out, can we start referring to Oklahoma QBs simply as SystemGuys the way we used to with Spurrier's UF QBs?

Every Sooner QB under Stoops has put up sick NCAA numbers, yet we're still waiting on one to produce in the NFL.

 

[_lurker_]

He's a sell or avoid... he'll be leanring his third system in three years. He is going down the jason campbell path and that's unfotunate.

 

[Ilov80s]

After last year, many of us on the board looked at Bradford's rookie season as the best since Peyton's. Many thought that Bradford would take the next big step to becoming a QB1 this season and there were even a few people who took Bradford as the first QB in a QBBC. Right before the season, Bradford had settled in as QB #14 on FFC.

Then, this year happened.

2010: 16 games 354 completions 590 attempts 60% completion % 3512 yards 18 TDs 15 INTs 7 Fumbles

2011: 10 games 191 completions 357 Attempts 53.5% completion % 2164 yards 6 TDs 6 INTs 10 Fumbles

We have seen many players suffer from a sophmore slump before, but Bradford's strikes me as particularly bad, even when injuries are not taken into account. While we were all very impressed by a rookie with a completion % at 60 last year, his 53.5% this year clocks in at 49th in the NFL.While Feeley and Clemens have not been stellar, they have both completed passes at a higher rate than Bradford. His other numbers are just as scary. His fumbling problem has gotten much worse. His Y/A and Y/G have stayed basically flat. His sack total is more this year than last, even with 6 fewer games.

So, how much blame has to go to the offensive line and how much is Bradford's? Some has to be on the offensive line, but he surely has fallen from the lofty heights of the top 8 dynasty QB's moving forward. My question is how far? The no doubt QB1's are ahead of him easily (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Newton, Stafford, Romo, Rivers, Ryan, Big Ben.) I don't think he offers more than the higher-upside, question-mark guys either (Luck, RGIII, E Manning, Vick, Schaub, Dalton, Cutler.) That's 16 QB's already ahead of him when some had him top-8 at the beginning of the year. Then I think it's a matter of personal preference for the next group (Sanchez, Palmer, Flacco, Tebow, Fitzpatrick, Freeman, Kolb.)

No one will be treating him as a QB #1 this year and I think most people would be skeptical of holding him as a QB2. Has his stock fallen so fast and so far that he is now only worth holding as a longshot QB3 or am I severely overreacting?

Interesting to look at Bradford's rookie numbers and compare them to the 2 top rookie QBs from this season:Bradford: 354/590 60% 3,512 yards 18 TD 15 INT 76.5 RAT

Newton: 295/492 60% 3,893 yards 20 TD 16 INT 85.0 RAT

Dalton: 278/472 59% 3,166 yards 20 TD 13 INT 81.8 RAT

So as much as Bradford's value is hurt by his miserable sophomore season, it is also hurt by the fact that 2 possibly superior dynasty QBs emerged in 2011.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Interesting to look at Bradford's rookie numbers and compare them to the 2 top rookie QBs from this season:Bradford: 354/590 60% 3,512 yards 18 TD 15 INT 76.5 RATNewton: 295/492 60% 3,893 yards 20 TD 16 INT 85.0 RATDalton: 278/472 59% 3,166 yards 20 TD 13 INT 81.8 RATSo as much as Bradford's value is hurt by his miserable sophomore season, it is also hurt by the fact that 2 possibly superior dynasty QBs emerged in 2011.

Bradford had 100 more attempts than Newton and produced almost 400 fewer passing yards. That was the big red flag with him last year.

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting to look at Bradford's rookie numbers and compare them to the 2 top rookie QBs from this season:Bradford: 354/590 60% 3,512 yards 18 TD 15 INT 76.5 RATNewton: 295/492 60% 3,893 yards 20 TD 16 INT 85.0 RATDalton: 278/472 59% 3,166 yards 20 TD 13 INT 81.8 RATSo as much as Bradford's value is hurt by his miserable sophomore season, it is also hurt by the fact that 2 possibly superior dynasty QBs emerged in 2011.

Bradford had 100 more attempts than Newton and produced almost 400 fewer passing yards. That was the big red flag with him last year.

To put some perspective on that, Bradford averaged about 6 yards per attempt in 2010 and the same in 2011. His 6.06 y/a this year was 32nd in the NFL this year.

 

[Hendo]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:NewtonStaffordTebowBradfordFreemanDaltonFlaccoSanchezMoorePonderKolb

Tebow way too high. And both Cam and Matt are in their own tiers compared to the rest of this group.

 

[Tony Reali]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:

Newton

Stafford

Tebow

Bradford

Freeman

Dalton

Flacco

Sanchez

Moore

Ponder

Kolb

 

[Ghost Rider]

Since having his best game as a pro last November against the Broncos, Bradford has regressed big time. 7 TD passes and 12 INTs in 15 games played since? 7 TD passes in 15 games is pitiful by any measure. If Colt McCoy can throw 14 in 13 games played throwing to the scrubs in Cleveland, Bradfor should at least be able to do the same in St. Louis, but 24 TD passes in 26 NFL games played is pretty poor thus far. I know his team regressed badly this year, but that is simply not good enough for a number 1 overall pick. As good as Bradford looked early on last year, he has looked that bad since.

 

[Jersey35]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:

Newton

Stafford

Tebow

Bradford

Freeman

Dalton

Flacco

Sanchez

Moore

Ponder

Kolb

Sanchez was the #10 scoring QB in my league this season. Ahead of Flacco, Dalton, Freeman, Tebow, Moore, etc...

He was #12 in PPG. Still ahead of most players on this list. Unless he loses his job, which is possible, he has value.

 

[Ilov80s]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:NewtonStaffordTebowBradfordFreemanDaltonFlaccoSanchezMoorePonderKolb

Where do Luck and RG3 fit in?

 

[Ilov80s]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:

Newton

Stafford

Tebow

Bradford

Freeman

Dalton

Flacco

Sanchez

Moore

Ponder

Kolb

Sanchez was the #10 scoring QB in my league this season. Ahead of Flacco, Dalton, Freeman, Tebow, Moore, etc...

He was #12 in PPG. Still ahead of most players on this list. Unless he loses his job, which is possible, he has value.

Well the fact that we are talking about him potentially losing his job is reason enough to drop him below Dalton and Flacco. In addition, Dalton (and maybe Tebow) have more upside. At this point, Sanchez's weakness (his inaccuracy) hasn't improved in 3 years and it looks like it may never.

 

[thatguy]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:NewtonStaffordTebowBradfordFreemanDaltonFlaccoSanchezMoorePonderKolb

Although he's not officially the starter yet, I would add Locker to that list. With him included, I would rank them like this (for the hell of it, I'll also throw in Luck and RG3, we don't know their landing spots yet, but whatev):NewtonStaffordLuckRG3DaltonFreemanTebowBradfordPonderLockerSanchezMooreFlaccoKolb

 

[duaneok66]

Sanchez benefitted from being healthy, but I doubt that many people started Sanchez on a regular basis. Other Qbs got hurt (Big Ben, Vick, Schaub, Cutler, etc). All four of those guys are clearly better, and that doesn't even count the rookies coming in next year. Few people counted on Sanchez as a QB1 last year. Ditto for 2012. He's a QB2, and you can usually find one of those on the wire. In short, I think that Sanchez has little to no trade value.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

When do we stop considering kolb young? (believe he's older than Matt Ryan...not on the list).

kolb was dreadful this year. worse than his pitiful numbers indicate...as bad as the replaced mcnabb and orton

 

[MAC_32]

Coming out Bradford was my favorite QB prospect since Manning. I still believe he can be great, but admittedly I have doubts now. Durability and red zone issues, specifically.

I'm holding in one dyno and pursuing in another but admittedly I'm waiting untl after the rookie draft because I'd rather have Luck and Griffin.

 

[EBF]

So, how much blame has to go to the offensive line and how much is Bradford's? Some has to be on the offensive line, but he surely has fallen from the lofty heights of the top 8 dynasty QB's moving forward. My question is how far? The no doubt QB1's are ahead of him easily (Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Newton, Stafford, Romo, Rivers, Ryan, Big Ben.) I don't think he offers more than the higher-upside, question-mark guys either (Luck, RGIII, E Manning, Vick, Schaub, Dalton, Cutler.) That's 16 QB's already ahead of him when some had him top-8 at the beginning of the year. Then I think it's a matter of personal preference for the next group (Sanchez, Palmer, Flacco, Tebow, Fitzpatrick, Freeman, Kolb.)

I have him in two leagues and he was totally useless this past year. It's hard to say how much of that is his fault and how much of it is the poor talent around him. I don't think St. Louis has much of an OL and I know they don't have much of a receiving corps. I mean, Austin Pettis and Greg Salas? Are you kidding me? Those aren't the kind of weapons a growing QB needs. I'm even skeptical that Brandon Lloyd will make much of a difference. Bradford's stats were absolute garbage this year. As others have pointed out, his yards per attempt was terrible. No way to sugarcoat that really. I think he flashed some decent passing skills in college and during his rookie season, so I'm still holding out some hope. With more experience, better health, and a better supporting cast, he could probably be a pretty good QB. I think he belongs somewhere between your second and third tier. I wouldn't take Sanchez, Palmer, Tebow, Fitzpatrick, or Kolb over him. I have no faith in those guys. I don't like Flacco much either. I might also prefer Bradford to Jay Cutler, a proven a mediocrity. I think he's a buy or hold in dynasty leagues. No one will give you anything valuable for him, so no point in making a deal.

 

[MAC_32]

I'd rather have Bradford than Flacco, Sanchez, Carson, Cutler, Freeman, Kolb, and any rookie QB other tahn Cam.

I'm having difficulty in Bradford vs. Schaub and Tebow. If it's for my backup I'd probably go Bradford. That must make him top 15 in my book, dyno anyway.

 

[cstu]

I'd rather have Bradford than Flacco, Sanchez, Carson, Cutler, Freeman, Kolb, and any rookie QB other tahn Cam.I'm having difficulty in Bradford vs. Schaub and Tebow. If it's for my backup I'd probably go Bradford. That must make him top 15 in my book, dyno anyway.

I have Bradford just outside the top 12, simply because of youth and upside. In that range there are a lot of inconsistent guys who I don't see ever being top 5 QB's like Bradford could be. I still think it will be a couple more years (assuming the Rams put the pieces together) before Bradford will be a QB1 but at least there's potential there.

 

[jim k]

Interesting to look at Bradford's rookie numbers and compare them to the 2 top rookie QBs from this season:Bradford: 354/590 60% 3,512 yards 18 TD 15 INT 76.5 RATNewton: 295/492 60% 3,893 yards 20 TD 16 INT 85.0 RATDalton: 278/472 59% 3,166 yards 20 TD 13 INT 81.8 RATSo as much as Bradford's value is hurt by his miserable sophomore season, it is also hurt by the fact that 2 possibly superior dynasty QBs emerged in 2011.

Bradford had 100 more attempts than Newton and produced almost 400 fewer passing yards. That was the big red flag with him last year.

To put some perspective on that, Bradford averaged about 6 yards per attempt in 2010 and the same in 2011. His 6.06 y/a this year was 32nd in the NFL this year.

this.yards per attempt and passing percentage together are a good indicator of a qb skill level.You would trade passing percentage for a higher yds/attempt but good quarterbacks are the ones who have both.Bradford is bottom four in both categories this year.

 

[Jersey35]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:NewtonStaffordTebowBradfordFreemanDaltonFlaccoSanchezMoorePonderKolb

Tebow way too high. And both Cam and Matt are in their own tiers compared to the rest of this group.

Ok...Considering that since taking over as a starter his PPG, despite NOT having a #1 WR, is higher than every single QB in my list besides Newton and Stafford, I feel OK not quibbling over a spot or two.Where would you place him?

 

[Hendo]

It might be interesting to reevaluate (for fantasy purposes) Bradford compared to other young QB's. I have them ranked something like this:NewtonStaffordTebowBradfordFreemanDaltonFlaccoSanchezMoorePonderKolb

Tebow way too high. And both Cam and Matt are in their own tiers compared to the rest of this group.

Ok...Considering that since taking over as a starter his PPG, despite NOT having a #1 WR, is higher than every single QB in my list besides Newton and Stafford, I feel OK not quibbling over a spot or two.Where would you place him?

Below Bradford, Freeman and Dalton who I think still have plenty of upside.My point was both Cam and Matt should be separated from the rest of the pack. Both are leaps and bounds better then the rest, and none of those other QBs are comparable potential wise to catch either. Both are considered top 5 allready imo.

 

[Bri]

To be able to do what Bradford did as a rookie was incredible. I mean he had nothing at WR and basically made players with his soft well timed passes.

The Rams pushed their luck big time with him. A new OC (again, yeah rookie year was new to him) and more wannabe NFL WRs. I didn't think the OC needed to be changed so much as the personnel.

Amendola and Clayton's injuries hurt him. (Rams acting like Clayton didn't matter didn't help either, his career is over now despite being an OU guy Bradford loved) He wasn't comfy in the NFL but with a good dump guy he appeared comfy and got it done as a rook. It opened things up for their offense and gave him time to show his awesome ability to place the ball where only the WR can catch it.

Bradford is a special kid. Do some googling about him before you drop him. His character will get him(and the Rams) through this.

He can't "just" throw to Lloyd. He ...this is a well schooled QB that's going to spread it around and acknowledge the D and go through his reads and (sorry but) you all are crazy if you drop him as if he won't amount to anything. Shrug off those new years eve drinks and rethink things, I think you'll decide dropping/dumping Bradford wasn't the best idea you ever had.

 

[Football Jones]

Bradford will very likely have the biggest increase in production from 2011 to 2012 among QBs. Still has big-time talent. Makes a great trade target.

 

[Bri]

Interesting to look at Bradford's rookie numbers and compare them to the 2 top rookie QBs from this season:Bradford: 354/590 60% 3,512 yards 18 TD 15 INT 76.5 RATNewton: 295/492 60% 3,893 yards 20 TD 16 INT 85.0 RATDalton: 278/472 59% 3,166 yards 20 TD 13 INT 81.8 RATSo as much as Bradford's value is hurt by his miserable sophomore season, it is also hurt by the fact that 2 possibly superior dynasty QBs emerged in 2011.

Bradford had 100 more attempts than Newton and produced almost 400 fewer passing yards. That was the big red flag with him last year.

To put some perspective on that, Bradford averaged about 6 yards per attempt in 2010 and the same in 2011. His 6.06 y/a this year was 32nd in the NFL this year.

this.yards per attempt and passing percentage together are a good indicator of a qb skill level.You would trade passing percentage for a higher yds/attempt but good quarterbacks are the ones who have both.Bradford is bottom four in both categories this year.

Their WRs don't get pickup by other teams. Doesn't that mean they're some of the worst in the NFL?Years ago people tried to discredit him for his WRs having high YAC so it wasn't really his doing.He puts it there and understands timing like Kurt and Joe; it's amazing to watch. He doesn't have to have Rice and Fitz or Holt, but wait til he at least gets enough WRs that the crowd isn't as excited they caught the ball as if that's a big accomplishment.