How has this Board changed the last few years? (1 Viewer)

[Keys Myaths]

There has always been a ton of bashing on this board and on the old one. But of course since it is much larger it has gone up some.

Sometimes it gets old wading through the garbage to find the gold- which there is plenty of here. Everytime I think I've had enough I go to another FF message board and come crying back.

I like the "be excellent" policy. I wouldn't even mind if it were enforced more strictly. Without this place would be a mess. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Joe.

My wish- although I know it is simply a pipedream, would be to stop allowing new members. I KNOW it won't happen and I am not asking for it. But I was a member of a car forum that did this, no new members, and eventually all the idiots get weeded out and banned too- and that was the best message board I ever was a part of. No one flamed, people searched well, you got answers to questions, because often more knowledgable people get pushed away if there is just an influx of idiots, but that didn't happen. Unfortunately the board crashed and someone new tookover and opened it up, now it is OK but not nearly how it was.

So, all in all, how is it changed since I joined? I would just say it is bigger. Still great in the offseason, still good during the season, and still some idiots- just more than there used to be. A great board all in all.

I've been frequenting this site for a little over a year now and I really enjoy it.One thing that annoys me are the stereotypes that some people place on members of this board based solely upon his/her member number. Just because you were here first doesn't necessarily mean you're extra intelligent. Plenty of us turtles have enough knowledge to win the race, too. I guess the whole 'seniority' thing has always bugged me; whether it's on a message board, at work, or someplace else. People should be judged by their performance, not by how long they've been around.

That being said, I wouldn't be against starting different threads for <3, 4 and 5-digiters. Then all the senior members could hang out without feeling pestered by us dumb newbies and all of us with more digits under our names could have our own community to prove how much knowledge we can bring to this forum. I'd like to see which group of 'digiters' would actually produce the most useful info.

Just my two cents. Keep up the good work, Joe. Thanks.

If you make intelligent posts (like you do), your member number won't be a problem for long.

 

[Otis]

As a long-time subscriber to FBG but an infrequent visitor to the forums I am really frustrated with the forums.

I would agree that reading the forums is a wealth of information that isn't always reported on the news. But posting a new thread and trying to get some serious advice is next to impossible. All I ever get are some smart aleck answers that are totally irrelevent. Shouldn't the forums be a place where one can come to get some friendly advice from fellow owners?

Ignore the smart aleck answers.Usually, you'll get the answers you need, if you just tune out the jerks.

Or if you post in the correct forum.

 

[Otis]

There has always been a ton of bashing on this board and on the old one. But of course since it is much larger it has gone up some.

Sometimes it gets old wading through the garbage to find the gold- which there is plenty of here. Everytime I think I've had enough I go to another FF message board and come crying back.

I like the "be excellent" policy. I wouldn't even mind if it were enforced more strictly. Without this place would be a mess. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Joe.

My wish- although I know it is simply a pipedream, would be to stop allowing new members. I KNOW it won't happen and I am not asking for it. But I was a member of a car forum that did this, no new members, and eventually all the idiots get weeded out and banned too- and that was the best message board I ever was a part of. No one flamed, people searched well, you got answers to questions, because often more knowledgable people get pushed away if there is just an influx of idiots, but that didn't happen. Unfortunately the board crashed and someone new tookover and opened it up, now it is OK but not nearly how it was.

So, all in all, how is it changed since I joined? I would just say it is bigger. Still great in the offseason, still good during the season, and still some idiots- just more than there used to be. A great board all in all.

I've been frequenting this site for a little over a year now and I really enjoy it.One thing that annoys me are the stereotypes that some people place on members of this board based solely upon his/her member number. Just because you were here first doesn't necessarily mean you're extra intelligent. Plenty of us turtles have enough knowledge to win the race, too. I guess the whole 'seniority' thing has always bugged me; whether it's on a message board, at work, or someplace else. People should be judged by their performance, not by how long they've been around.

That being said, I wouldn't be against starting different threads for <3, 4 and 5-digiters. Then all the senior members could hang out without feeling pestered by us dumb newbies and all of us with more digits under our names could have our own community to prove how much knowledge we can bring to this forum. I'd like to see which group of 'digiters' would actually produce the most useful info.

Just my two cents. Keep up the good work, Joe. Thanks.

If you make intelligent posts (like you do), your member number won't be a problem for long.

This is actually a lie. You will be looked down upon until you upgrade your member number. Then you will be revered.

 

[raceguy]

There has always been a ton of bashing on this board and on the old one. But of course since it is much larger it has gone up some.

Sometimes it gets old wading through the garbage to find the gold- which there is plenty of here. Everytime I think I've had enough I go to another FF message board and come crying back.

I like the "be excellent" policy. I wouldn't even mind if it were enforced more strictly. Without this place would be a mess. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Joe.

My wish- although I know it is simply a pipedream, would be to stop allowing new members. I KNOW it won't happen and I am not asking for it. But I was a member of a car forum that did this, no new members, and eventually all the idiots get weeded out and banned too- and that was the best message board I ever was a part of. No one flamed, people searched well, you got answers to questions, because often more knowledgable people get pushed away if there is just an influx of idiots, but that didn't happen. Unfortunately the board crashed and someone new tookover and opened it up, now it is OK but not nearly how it was.

So, all in all, how is it changed since I joined? I would just say it is bigger. Still great in the offseason, still good during the season, and still some idiots- just more than there used to be. A great board all in all. 

I've been frequenting this site for a little over a year now and I really enjoy it.One thing that annoys me are the stereotypes that some people place on members of this board based solely upon his/her member number. Just because you were here first doesn't necessarily mean you're extra intelligent. Plenty of us turtles have enough knowledge to win the race, too. I guess the whole 'seniority' thing has always bugged me; whether it's on a message board, at work, or someplace else. People should be judged by their performance, not by how long they've been around.

That being said, I wouldn't be against starting different threads for <3, 4 and 5-digiters. Then all the senior members could hang out without feeling pestered by us dumb newbies and all of us with more digits under our names could have our own community to prove how much knowledge we can bring to this forum. I'd like to see which group of 'digiters' would actually produce the most useful info.

Just my two cents. Keep up the good work, Joe. Thanks.

If you make intelligent posts (like you do), your member number won't be a problem for long.

This is actually a lie. You will be looked down upon until you upgrade your member number. Then you will be revered.

A fast track to Otis's reverance:I'm sleezy and can be bought, whats a very low 4 digit worth to ya?

 

[Otis]

There has always been a ton of bashing on this board and on the old one. But of course since it is much larger it has gone up some.

Sometimes it gets old wading through the garbage to find the gold- which there is plenty of here. Everytime I think I've had enough I go to another FF message board and come crying back.

I like the "be excellent" policy. I wouldn't even mind if it were enforced more strictly. Without this place would be a mess. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Joe.

My wish- although I know it is simply a pipedream, would be to stop allowing new members. I KNOW it won't happen and I am not asking for it. But I was a member of a car forum that did this, no new members, and eventually all the idiots get weeded out and banned too- and that was the best message board I ever was a part of. No one flamed, people searched well, you got answers to questions, because often more knowledgable people get pushed away if there is just an influx of idiots, but that didn't happen. Unfortunately the board crashed and someone new tookover and opened it up, now it is OK but not nearly how it was.

So, all in all, how is it changed since I joined? I would just say it is bigger. Still great in the offseason, still good during the season, and still some idiots- just more than there used to be. A great board all in all.

I've been frequenting this site for a little over a year now and I really enjoy it.One thing that annoys me are the stereotypes that some people place on members of this board based solely upon his/her member number. Just because you were here first doesn't necessarily mean you're extra intelligent. Plenty of us turtles have enough knowledge to win the race, too. I guess the whole 'seniority' thing has always bugged me; whether it's on a message board, at work, or someplace else. People should be judged by their performance, not by how long they've been around.

That being said, I wouldn't be against starting different threads for <3, 4 and 5-digiters. Then all the senior members could hang out without feeling pestered by us dumb newbies and all of us with more digits under our names could have our own community to prove how much knowledge we can bring to this forum. I'd like to see which group of 'digiters' would actually produce the most useful info.

Just my two cents. Keep up the good work, Joe. Thanks.

If you make intelligent posts (like you do), your member number won't be a problem for long.

This is actually a lie. You will be looked down upon until you upgrade your member number. Then you will be revered.

A fast track to Otis's reverance:I'm sleezy and can be bought, whats a very low 4 digit worth to ya?

Don't listen to him, guy -- 4-digiters are almost as worthless as 5-digiters.

There is a huge dropoff at 999.

 

[raceguy]

Don't listen to him, guy -- 4-digiters are almost as worthless as 5-digiters.

There is a huge dropoff at 999.

Your right, guess I should have paid the extra .3 cents for the 3-digit upgrade

 

[Footballhead]

This is what I noticed change from 2 -3 years ago...1). Most of the good ff players are now on the staff and they're less keen to share info on the board and thus s a reduction of quality discussions. Also some of the sharks that use to have preety good ideas have been domisticated and follow the same line of thought. Just check the roundtable discussion, every body is kissing everybody else's butt 2). This one is the most annoying change of them all and I notice more of this this season than prior season. You get posts like this for example..."Anquan Boldin is out for the year" etc and you get replies like this"I traded Anquan last week for so and so and am now 10-0 ""I traded so and so last week and I feel giddy about my super brain intelligence over other guppies" etc etcThat's annoying.Sorry, just being honest.

 

[SickThing]

This is what I noticed change from 2 -3 years ago...

1). Most of the good ff players are now on the staff and they're less keen to share info on the board and thus s a reduction of quality discussions. Also some of the sharks that use to have preety good ideas have been domisticated and follow the same line of thought. Just check the roundtable discussion, every body is kissing everybody else's butt

2). This one is the most annoying change of them all and I notice more of this this season than prior season. You get posts like this for example...

"Anquan Boldin is out for the year" etc and you get replies like this

"I traded Anquan last week for so and so and am now 10-0 "

"I traded so and so last week and I feel giddy about my super brain intelligence over other guppies" etc etc

That's annoying.

Sorry, just being honest.

I've been around here since cheatsheets.net and I'm hearing this complaint in this thread and others, but I don't really see the harm in it. Sure, it's of absolutely no use, but it is harmless. It's the bashing that's the problem IMHO. There's some rude and/or low IQ newbies ruining good threads here by attacking sensible discussion from seasoned board vets with replies of "you only pimp him because you are an owner of him" crap, that annoys me endlessly when folks have taken the time to try and share some good insight. It bothers me quite a bit myself to be disrespected so unduly, where on the other hand if someone says "good I picked up/dropped him last week", I simply forget it as soon as I read it.

This forum still rules all though, even with the increase of the number of tools, which as others pointed out is a problem in nearly all the internet discussion scene.

 

[beto]

Did my eyes deceive me or did the "Best Hooters" thread become the "Beautiful Women" thread? That's one change.When the boards first opened you had a lot of guys making there mark in fantasy football with fresh ideas and unique league formats. I could be wrong, but I don't see a lot of this now. Make your mark, people.

 

[JuniorNB]

Don't listen to him, guy -- 4-digiters are almost as worthless as 5-digiters.

There is a huge dropoff at 999.

Your right, guess I should have paid the extra .3 cents for the 3-digit upgrade

I wouldn't say it's a problem as much as it's just pathetic, but the fact that grown men actually equate their value with their member number is hilarious. Ooops, i hope that wasn't considered nasty.

 

[ravnzfan]

Long live cheatsheets.net!

oh the memories of 'ole yeller!

 

[RC94]

I like the amount of information and good, thoughtful exchanges and arguments. However, the bashing and the general negativity really turns me off and has made it so I am much more reluctant to post here than I do on other FF boards.

 

[stealthrunner]

I just joined recently at the begining of this season. But I have been using message boards since the BBS days. As any message board gets more popular and becomes mainstream it will have growing pains. You just have to not take it personal when some tool replies with something stupid. People say stuff on the internet that they would never say in person, that will never change.Overall, the wealth of knowledge here is worth the multiple TO threads, draft LT2 or Manning first overall, etc.I think Joe and his chalkboard is a great idea. I am sure the mods sends private messages to the people who are constantly bashing them to warn them.Only thing, maybe to change is to maybe make a new Shark Pool for Paying members only. That would weed out some of the kids and others. Leave the FFA, AC and other forums open for the general public. That forum could be restricted more and let the mods delete the multiple threads and still leave this forum for anyone in the world to post in. (If this already exists, my apologies)Overall, great job. Joe and his crew put alot of effort into this product, and I have recommended it to a few friends. (In leagues I am not in with them)

 

[Raiders Fan]

I like it for the information you can get but it's a pain in the sense of the crap you have to sift through to find the good stuff. Too many WDIS threads that are disguised. Also too many repeated threads cause everybody wants to be the first to report it. A lot more younger people in here then in years before. That I feel is one of the reasons for the hostility. Also, with more $$$ leagues it also creates tension. I don't play any $$$ leagues cause I do this for fun.. All in all its a good place but I wouild love to see less and less WDIS and more information posts..

 

[bob_probert_2000]

I had an old account on the past old board here and can say one positive. Game day, the organization on the NFL board is very good to get information quick and accurate.My negatives. I left posting here to post elsewhere for a few reasons. I still will come back and use the useful information given by the NFl board.1. No one has a sense of humor here. Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb. Fantasy football and other sports related followings should be fun. This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground. Lighten up and have some fun. 2. One unnamed MOD here is an absolute NAZI. I jokingly say that it is a good day for me to be banned a few months back and he bans me. This was after a whole listing of idiots that were removed. Apparently sarchasm isn't allowed. I have never been a menace here, picked on anyone, caused 1 iota of problems and one joke got me banned. Ridiculous. If the board needs to be regulated to keep idiots from ruining it for others, I am for that....but get someone to MOD it that it a reasonable person. Someone has power issues. (hint - rhymes with click).I choose not to post and I am not a negative person, in general. I am extremely appreciative of the info from the Pool, but remove one bad staff member and this place could be much better. My above opinion will probably get me banned again which is sad. I do enjoy posting good information game day(when I had my old ID), now I just read it and silently thank those who shared.

 

[Mmen of Steel]

I think there is an easy fix -- make access to the board part of the "pay content".If you value the FBG info. enough to pay for it, then you would generally be respectful on the board. Again, you'll still get a few a-holes, but far less than just keeping the door open for any ##### with a chip on his shoulder.Keep up the good work Joe.

 

[posty]

Actually the problem is that Joe wants a PG rated site and Mike doesn't mind the R rated site...There isn't anything wrong with that, but the users here are used to everyone playing nice and when someone attacks them, they are too thin-skinned and get way to upset over what was said at a message board... There are people like that at FFToday, but more people there are thick-skinned and enjoy dishing it out and taking it than the people here...

 

[posty]

I think there is an easy fix -- make access to the board part of the "pay content".

If you value the FBG info. enough to pay for it, then you would generally be respectful on the board. Again, you'll still get a few a-holes, but far less than just keeping the door open for any ##### with a chip on his shoulder.

Keep up the good work Joe.

Actually I would think it should be the opposite... If you paid for information and was able to access a part of the board that free people can't, you should be able to speak your mind for freely since you are a paying customer...

 

[ThisGuy]

Other than the severe inconsistency over what people get a time out for, this place is pretty cool.

 

[Otis]

Don't listen to him, guy -- 4-digiters are almost as worthless as 5-digiters.

There is a huge dropoff at 999.

Your right, guess I should have paid the extra .3 cents for the 3-digit upgrade

I wouldn't say it's a problem as much as it's just pathetic, but the fact that grown men actually equate their value with their member number is hilarious. Ooops, i hope that wasn't considered nasty.

Says the high 5-digiter...

 

[IndyHavoc]

I'll add my quiet voice to much of what has been said before. I remember joining and hitting the Sharkpool for the first time. It just seemed very few WDIS threads, even last season, than now. I got the initial impression that Sharkpool was for NFL NEWS and discussion. Period. End of story. Seemed like the threads had very little FF slant, and mostly informative in nature. If you wanted to discuss how that impacted your team, or ask for advice, off to the AC forum.

Anyway, I keep havin the thought of a thread-starter rating system. Something where each thread can be voted on. Then you can see said persons rating on the index list. Hah, maybe even allow negative ratings, and when you hit a certain point you lose the ability to post NEW threads. Call it social Darwinism on web boards.

 

[zamboni]

I think there is an easy fix -- make access to the board part of the "pay content".

I don't think that would be a good idea - if you limited access to pay-only folks, the amount of information and insight would be compromised. While there are some unfortunate postings, I'd still rather have more information than less.

 

[mozzy84]

1. No one has a sense of humor here. Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb. This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground. Lighten up and have some fun.

 

[ThisGuy]

1. No one has a sense of humor here.  Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb.  This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground.  Lighten up and have some fun. 

Great Posting!

 

[Fear The Turtle]

Great site and great forum. I'd like to second a few comments that others have made. I'd still prefer separate threads on game day for the significant injuries. I pop on and off quickly on Sundays and I'd rather be able to rapidly learn about a major injury rather than have to wade through a long general thread (which is great, too, and serves a purpose) to find out about them.Also, I agree that threads are locked and merged too quickly. So what if there are multiple threads going? When I'm interested in a topic I can't get enough. Many times a new thread starter will bring a fresh perspective to an issue that may have gotten bogged down in another thread in an argument/counterargument among 2 or 3 posters with the concomitant long, space wasting carryover copying. Nothing more annoying than wading through 10-15 copied postings just to get to a 2 or 3 line rejoinder. I say just ignore the excess threads if you don't like them. Obviously, I am talking about threads in the proper forum. Wrong forum, then adios, of course.Anyway, still the best in the business and a place where I've had many hours of enjoyment and where I've learned a lot about a hobby I really love.

 

[JuniorNB]

Don't listen to him, guy -- 4-digiters are almost as worthless as 5-digiters.

There is a huge dropoff at 999.

Your right, guess I should have paid the extra .3 cents for the 3-digit upgrade

I wouldn't say it's a problem as much as it's just pathetic, but the fact that grown men actually equate their value with their member number is hilarious. Ooops, i hope that wasn't considered nasty.

Says the high 5-digiter...

Right on cue.

 

[stealthrunner]

I think there is an easy fix -- make access to the board part of the "pay content".

I don't think that would be a good idea - if you limited access to pay-only folks, the amount of information and insight would be compromised. While there are some unfortunate postings, I'd still rather have more information than less.

I would add a second Shark Pool forum for pay members only. Don't penalize the non paying members. Of course, then you might get some posters who think they are superior to the non paying members also.At least Joe realizes there is always room for improvement by replying here. It is a work in progress.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I think there is an easy fix -- make access to the board part of the "pay content".

I don't think that would be a good idea - if you limited access to pay-only folks, the amount of information and insight would be compromised. While there are some unfortunate postings, I'd still rather have more information than less.

I would add a second Shark Pool forum for pay members only. Don't penalize the non paying members. Of course, then you might get some posters who think they are superior to the non paying members also.At least Joe realizes there is always room for improvement by replying here. It is a work in progress.

A members only forum has been suggested over and over.Not happening.

 

[belljr]

Being a "noob" myself. I was a lurker for a while before I registered.I would like to say the one thing that I noticed that does get on my nerves. No one appears to use the search feature. You log in and there are 17 threads about the same topic. I know sometimes you don't get the info you want by searching, but at least try.I thank Joe and everyone for their hard work, being a moderator is a thankless job. I'm a mod at another board and you'll never make everyone happy.Still think this is the best place on the net for football information

 

[valhallan]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs." I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol. Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

 

[Miller_Time]

1. No one has a sense of humor here.  Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb.   This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground.  Lighten up and have some fun. 

Great Posting!

Excellent Posting!! Another comment, the problems you are having here are not yours alone. The problem childs do not all come from "other sites". Face it, our hobby has exploded in the last 3 years! With that there is both good and bad. The bad is the constant wave of newbies to this and other sites. This creates an overload of users and threads. The content is not as personalized as it was in the past. In the past you knew most of the posters, now there is so many changes in memebers it's hard to keep up. And that problem is not just here, it's at other popular boards as well.

The smart donkey comments and violations to the "be excellent" rule is not the fault of posters from other sites, it's the fault of human nature and message boards in general. People by nature are not always Excellent to each other, just b/c you make a rule for that to be the case doesn't mean you will change human nature and alter the way people are going to act. And it's worse on message boards because you have all the internet tough guys who crawl out of the woodwork.

 

[Keys Myaths]

1. No one has a sense of humor here. Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb. This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground. Lighten up and have some fun.

Great Posting!

Excellent Posting!! Another comment, the problems you are having here are not yours alone. The problem childs do not all come from "other sites". Face it, our hobby has exploded in the last 3 years! With that there is both good and bad. The bad is the constant wave of newbies to this and other sites. This creates an overload of users and threads. The content is not as personalized as it was in the past. In the past you knew most of the posters, now there is so many changes in memebers it's hard to keep up. And that problem is not just here, it's at other popular boards as well.

The smart donkey comments and violations to the "be excellent" rule is not the fault of posters from other sites, it's the fault of human nature and message boards in general. People by nature are not always Excellent to each other, just b/c you make a rule for that to be the case doesn't mean you will change human nature and alter the way people are going to act. And it's worse on message boards because you have all the internet tough guys who crawl out of the woodwork.

So why not make this board better than the rest? Make this board the one that doesn't put up with bickering, and pointless bashing, instead, only for information and discussion?Seems like a good idea to me.

 

[Miller_Time]

1. No one has a sense of humor here.  Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb.  This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground.  Lighten up and have some fun. 

Great Posting!

Excellent Posting!! Another comment, the problems you are having here are not yours alone. The problem childs do not all come from "other sites". Face it, our hobby has exploded in the last 3 years! With that there is both good and bad. The bad is the constant wave of newbies to this and other sites. This creates an overload of users and threads. The content is not as personalized as it was in the past. In the past you knew most of the posters, now there is so many changes in memebers it's hard to keep up. And that problem is not just here, it's at other popular boards as well.

The smart donkey comments and violations to the "be excellent" rule is not the fault of posters from other sites, it's the fault of human nature and message boards in general. People by nature are not always Excellent to each other, just b/c you make a rule for that to be the case doesn't mean you will change human nature and alter the way people are going to act. And it's worse on message boards because you have all the internet tough guys who crawl out of the woodwork.

So why not make this board better than the rest? Make this board the one that doesn't put up with bickering, and pointless bashing, instead, only for information and discussion?Seems like a good idea to me.

In a perfect world, yes, that would be great, everyone here would "be excellent" to each other and the world would be perfect. Fact is, with the amount of trafic and new people to our hobby you can not censor it fast enough to make the "perfect world" environment you seem to be striving for. This board is the perfect example of that. The Mods try to do that, and by proof of this thread, it's not as perfect as they would like.So option B would be to lighten up, have some fun, and don't let others bother you so easily.

Seems like the more realistic option to me

 

[valhallan]

1. No one has a sense of humor here. Nothing worse than a few thin skinned nancies that can't take an occasional joke or barb. This place has turned into a gathering of kids picked last on the playground. Lighten up and have some fun.

Great Posting!

Excellent Posting!! Another comment, the problems you are having here are not yours alone. The problem childs do not all come from "other sites". Face it, our hobby has exploded in the last 3 years! With that there is both good and bad. The bad is the constant wave of newbies to this and other sites. This creates an overload of users and threads. The content is not as personalized as it was in the past. In the past you knew most of the posters, now there is so many changes in memebers it's hard to keep up. And that problem is not just here, it's at other popular boards as well.

The smart donkey comments and violations to the "be excellent" rule is not the fault of posters from other sites, it's the fault of human nature and message boards in general. People by nature are not always Excellent to each other, just b/c you make a rule for that to be the case doesn't mean you will change human nature and alter the way people are going to act. And it's worse on message boards because you have all the internet tough guys who crawl out of the woodwork.

So why not make this board better than the rest? Make this board the one that doesn't put up with bickering, and pointless bashing, instead, only for information and discussion?Seems like a good idea to me.

In a perfect world, yes, that would be great, everyone here would "be excellent" to each other and the world would be perfect. Fact is, with the amount of trafic and new people to our hobby you can not censor it fast enough to make the "perfect world" environment you seem to be striving for. This board is the perfect example of that. The Mods try to do that, and by proof of this thread, it's not as perfect as they would like.So option B would be to lighten up, have some fun, and don't let others bother you so easily.

Seems like the more realistic option to me

So, option A is to alter some of our human natures by becoming excellent to each other, and option B is to alter some of our human natures by lightening up, and somehow one option is more realistic than the other?

 

[smcindoe]

I'll echo the comments about bashing. It happens on every board, and sometimes it really is deserved, but it's really taken off here recently.It feels like people who are new to the forums spend some time here, see how some (not all) of the veterans conduct themselves, and then decide "OK, I'm going to make sure I fit in here." Then they go off looking for a post, any post, that they can attack.Someone has a good team? "Wow, can I be in your league?"Someone has a bad team? "Point to the shirt!"Someone posts something that has been mentioned before? "Use the search, idiot!"Someone posts something that has never been mentioned before? "Nobody cares, idiot!"And on top of that, there's been a recent trend of people posting stuff that has no value to anyone -- it's just completely specific to their own team or league.Q - "My league has this problem, how can we fix it?"A - "Your league should be set up like mine instead."(Um, great feedback, I'll get my time machine and go back and set it up that way.)Q- "Looks like Tomlinson just went down clutching his knee, does anyone have any information about that?"A- "Lucky for me I passed on him and took Alexander instead!"(Thanks for sharing.)This board still has unmatched value in terms of finding information (the recent scoops about Gado and Holmes are good examples), but it seems like now you have to wade through a dozen one-line, zero-value posts to find it. I don't really understand why -- are people just insecure and need to hear their own voice? Are people looking at post counts somewhere? Are they really so self-centered that they think they're adding value?

 

[Couch Potato]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs."

I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol. Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

Example of unfair generalization 'strewn with bashing and vitriol.'

 

[valhallan]

I'll echo the comments about bashing. It happens on every board, and sometimes it really is deserved, but it's really taken off here recently.

It feels like people who are new to the forums spend some time here, see how some (not all) of the veterans conduct themselves, and then decide "OK, I'm going to make sure I fit in here." Then they go off looking for a post, any post, that they can attack.

Someone has a good team? "Wow, can I be in your league?"

Someone has a bad team? "Point to the shirt!"

Someone posts something that has been mentioned before? "Use the search, idiot!"

Someone posts something that has never been mentioned before? "Nobody cares, idiot!"

And on top of that, there's been a recent trend of people posting stuff that has no value to anyone -- it's just completely specific to their own team or league.

Q - "My league has this problem, how can we fix it?"

A - "Your league should be set up like mine instead."

(Um, great feedback, I'll get my time machine and go back and set it up that way.)

Q- "Looks like Tomlinson just went down clutching his knee, does anyone have any information about that?"

A- "Lucky for me I passed on him and took Alexander instead!"

(Thanks for sharing.)

This board still has unmatched value in terms of finding information (the recent scoops about Gado and Holmes are good examples), but it seems like now you have to wade through a dozen one-line, zero-value posts to find it. I don't really understand why -- are people just insecure and need to hear their own voice? Are people looking at post counts somewhere? Are they really so self-centered that they think they're adding value?

You always bring solid insight to the table.

 

[Keys Myaths]

It feels like people who are new to the forums spend some time here, see how some (not all) of the veterans conduct themselves, and then decide "OK, I'm going to make sure I fit in here." Then they go off looking for a post, any post, that they can attack.

Here's the thing, though.It seems that it's a very, very small, but very vocal minority causing all these problems.

In my opinion, if you took the five worst offenders off the board, this kind of crap would go down by 80-90 percent.

No, five people don't cause 90% of the crap around here...but they do it enough to where new people on the board see that behavior, and assume *that's* the way to fit in around here.

 

[Franknbeans]

Don't listen to him, guy -- 4-digiters are almost as worthless as 5-digiters.

There is a huge dropoff at 999.

Your right, guess I should have paid the extra .3 cents for the 3-digit upgrade

I wouldn't say it's a problem as much as it's just pathetic, but the fact that grown men actually equate their value with their member number is hilarious. Ooops, i hope that wasn't considered nasty.

Says the high 5-digiter...

I have his back

 

[Keys Myaths]

You always bring solid insight to the table.

He's among the five posters who I have profiles bookmarked for. That way, I can search his replies to topics...they're that good.

I've learned that between those five posters, I can get most of the insight in the SP I need for the day.

 

[valhallan]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs."

I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol. Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

Example of unfair generalization 'strewn with bashing and vitriol.'

I guess you missed the underlined words.

 

[smcindoe]

Here's the thing, though.

It seems that it's a very, very small, but very vocal minority causing all these problems.

In my opinion, if you took the five worst offenders off the board, this kind of crap would go down by 80-90 percent.

No, five people don't cause 90% of the crap around here...but they do it enough to where new people on the board see that behavior, and assume *that's* the way to fit in around here.

I think I would have agreed with you a year ago. But it seems like it's happening more often, and I wonder if those worst offenders haven't poisoned the well to the point where newer members think that that's just the way things are done around here.

 

[Spike]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs."

I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol. Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

Pretty all-encompassing generalization, isn't it?

 

[valhallan]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs."

I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol. Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

Pretty all-encompassing generalization, isn't it?

Believe it or not, I did choose my words carefully.

 

[Spike]

It feels like people who are new to the forums spend some time here, see how some (not all) of the veterans conduct themselves, and then decide "OK, I'm going to make sure I fit in here." Then they go off looking for a post, any post, that they can attack.

Here's the thing, though.It seems that it's a very, very small, but very vocal minority causing all these problems.

In my opinion, if you took the five worst offenders off the board, this kind of crap would go down by 80-90 percent.

No, five people don't cause 90% of the crap around here...but they do it enough to where new people on the board see that behavior, and assume *that's* the way to fit in around here.

Post of the Year.

 

[zamboni]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs." 

I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol.  Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

Pretty all-encompassing generalization, isn't it?

Seriously.

 

[valhallan]

It feels like people who are new to the forums spend some time here, see how some (not all) of the veterans conduct themselves, and then decide "OK, I'm going to make sure I fit in here." Then they go off looking for a post, any post, that they can attack.

Here's the thing, though.It seems that it's a very, very small, but very vocal minority causing all these problems.

In my opinion, if you took the five worst offenders off the board, this kind of crap would go down by 80-90 percent.

No, five people don't cause 90% of the crap around here...but they do it enough to where new people on the board see that behavior, and assume *that's* the way to fit in around here.

Post of the Year.

He could be right. There probably aren't as many "old goat" offenders as I implied, but they certainly seem to have the loudest voices.

 

[bagger.]

The majority of the posters who stimulated the best discussion on the boards are now staff and they write articles instead of starting threads.The quality of offseason discussion is the same if not better and the lack of quality of posts in season is about the same.The board has changed as it has become exponentially more popular over the years as a necessity, and the tools provided by the site is light years ahead of where they were a few years ago (even if I don't use them).I personally liked the site better when it was smaller, more intimate, albeit more crude.But I'm a sicko like that, and that is definitely not the optimum business model.

 

[Spike]

Over the last year, I've noticed that the "3-digiters/sharks/vets" have mostly turned into crotchety old men that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs." 

I have a rough list of posters whose threads I generally avoid because I know their words are usually strewn with bashing and vitriol.  Perhaps you old goats could also learn how to ignore threads, rather than whining all the time?

Pretty all-encompassing generalization, isn't it?

Believe it or not, I did choose my words carefully.

Ok, assuming "mostly" means two-thirds, you're saying there are on the order of 600 persons "that enjoy spending all day complaining about "noobs."?

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I'll admit though there seems to be alot of bashing.  But I think that's just the way internet boards are.

Which could be nearly eliminated by censoring/removing certain posters.To me, the problem is when certain posters do it over and over again, other people think it's okay, then they do it.

He, he. Maybe FBG needs to install the "your name on the chalkboard" system like we had back in elementary school. After three checks after your name you get "time out"

We have that already. It's called the Tool Chalkboard. In it's most basic form - I don't like to work on the boards. When a poster creates work for me by making me edit or delete their post. They go on the board. If they go on the board more than a few times, I assume they're slow learners and it's just easiest for me to get rid of them. I'm sure there's a Natural Selection joke in there some where for the FFA Guys. Sorry but that's how it works.

J

Joe,Can you get off the board over an extended period of time due to good behavior?

If you have a person who's been a problem over the years and they haven't done anything in awhile.......a PM by you, a mod. saying hey, you've really been a postive influence lately on the boards would go a long way.

I know this time of the season your busting at the seams with things to do, this option could also be exercised in the offseason as well.