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I have been on this messageboard for a few years now, and I've noticed a lot of change, both positive and negative. For example, positive: the new features have been great, such as emoticons and avatars. For example, negative: there is more hostility on the board than there there was a few years ago. I'm not sure whether the quality of information has changed considerably one way or the other.What are your opinions on what the good and bad changes of the Shark Pool forum over the last few years?

 
Still more insight here than anywhere else.I'll admit though there seems to be alot of bashing. But I think that's just the way internet boards are.

 
I would agree that as the board has grown, there has been more folks pushing the "be excellent to each other" thing. We've attempted to keep it to the same standard, but it's been a struggle.On a side note, I get a fair amount of email about how I'm "ruining the board" with my "censoring" people who are unexcellent to others. So while some would say there is more bashing, I also have people who say I limit the bashing too much. So who knows.Best way you can do something to help though is to use the "report this post" button. That's a big help.Thanks.J

 
True, but FBGs tend to pride themselves on their "be excellent" policy. The bashing could easily be put to rest if this policy were enforced more strictly.Edited to add that I hadn't seen Joe's post when I posted this.

 
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I love this board for the opportunity to hear about upcoming players before they become known (Gato, M Jones, FWP come quickly to mind) but I definitely have been turned off by the sarcastic and negative comments to a lot of posters have resorted to. Instead of insightful posts I am then having to sift through useless bashing.

 
Yep, love this site and will continue to be a paying customer for a while. However in addition to the bashing, the one thing that is starting to bug me are all the absolutley usless topics being posted in the "shark pool".There are topics being posted that have asolutley no relevance or usefullnes pertaining to managing a FF team. They offer no NFL information or insight whatsoever. Seems as though too many people are posting topics just because they are bored or for the heck of it. Almost using the pool as a glorified chat room.Just my opinion

 
I'll admit though there seems to be alot of bashing. But I think that's just the way internet boards are.
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Which could be nearly eliminated by censoring/removing certain posters.To me, the problem is when certain posters do it over and over again, other people think it's okay, then they do it.

 
I would agree that as the board has grown, there has been more folks pushing the "be excellent to each other" thing. We've attempted to keep it to the same standard, but it's been a struggle.

On a side note, I get a fair amount of email about how I'm "ruining the board" with my "censoring" people who are unexcellent to others. So while some would say there is more bashing, I also have people who say I limit the bashing too much. So who knows.

Best way you can do something to help though is to use the "report this post" button. That's a big help.

Thanks.

J
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One thing that has changed is that people carry grudges over from one thread to another and flame wars start with little or no apparent catalyst rendering many threads un-readable. Also, the irrelevant posts that don't add information have grown dramatically. As a result, I don't spend much time on the board during the season. A specific change that I dislike is the Sunday Injury Thread. If a major player gets injured why can't we start an independent thread about it so that we don't have to wade through pages of irrelevant posts that you can't even tell which player they are referencing because they have so many different players/injuries floating about.

 
I have been on this messageboard for a few years now, and I've noticed a lot of change, both positive and negative.

For example, positive: the new features have been great, such as emoticons and avatars. For example, negative: there is more hostility on the board than there there was a few years ago.

I'm not sure whether the quality of information has changed considerably one way or the other.

What are your opinions on what the good and bad changes of the Shark Pool forum over the last few years?
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I'm not sure I agree with your assement. Do you like my avatar? Good, now SHUTUP!! :excited:
 
I'll admit though there seems to be alot of bashing.  But I think that's just the way internet boards are.
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Which could be nearly eliminated by censoring/removing certain posters.To me, the problem is when certain posters do it over and over again, other people think it's okay, then they do it.
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He, he. Maybe FBG needs to install the "your name on the chalkboard" system like we had back in elementary school. After three checks after your name you get "time out"
 
I love this board the best in the offseason. Sure it's slow, but that's when you see the hardcore posters, the people with great insight, and lots of good discussion of rookies, players being traded to new teams, etc. I attribute a lot of my success in FF this year to browsing this board obsessively for those months.During the season, you still have a lot of good discussion, but it gets buried easily under the many posts of "Is the LT2 owner leading your league?" or the five topics on the first page asking for injury updates on the same player, not too mention the obligitory "Can I join your league?" posts. :wall:

 
I'll admit though there seems to be alot of bashing. But I think that's just the way internet boards are.
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Which could be nearly eliminated by censoring/removing certain posters.To me, the problem is when certain posters do it over and over again, other people think it's okay, then they do it.
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He, he. Maybe FBG needs to install the "your name on the chalkboard" system like we had back in elementary school. After three checks after your name you get "time out"
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Why not?The few posters (it's a huge minority, but a vocal one) act like five year olds. Why not treat them as such?

 
Positives: Timely, intelligent chat, opinion and analysis from a number of different folks! This seems to get better every year, if for no other reason than having a larger pool of people to draw from.Negatives: Maybe it's just because I'm now a "thirty-something", but it sure seems as though there are a ton of high school and college kids running around in here.....thinking that they're about ten-times smarter than they actually are (the FFA, in particular). That, and the steady downward spiral in people being respectful towards one another. The "tool factor" seems to be WAY up this year, probably because of all the young bucks who need to get something that rhymes with "raid" and find a few more outlets for all those raging hormones and machismo........Paid?! :confused: Spayed?! :shrug:Laid?! :thumbup: The new server space seems to ROXOR, so that's a positive as well! Now if a minority of people would just stop using the "Scoop" service as their own personal whine and cheese platter, all would be right with the world....... :popcorn:

 
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1. Too many good threads on this board that have action get closed. No one knows the reasons as to why? I have seen a thread with many responses and views get closed and there was no apparent reason.2. If you say for example Kevin Barlow had a good week, 10 guys who took a flyer on Gore will rip the thread apart. That gets old.

 
I've only been here a short time and have been impressed with the wealth of information and educated. well thought out discussions here. I feel the majority of posters here live by the "Be Excellent" rule. However recently I've noticed a vocal minority that seem to take pleasure in flaming others. I hope the mods continue the arduous and often thankless task of monitoring and silencing those who are trying to create a hostile environment here. It would be a shame to see this board deteriorate to the level of drivel contained on some of the other FF boards out there. :nerd:

 
Joe, I wholeheartedly support your efforts to keep the boards clean. With some luck, maybe the guity posters will learn to "act with class" in more than just an online bulletin board. We can hope so anyway, can't we?

 
I'll admit though there seems to be alot of bashing.  But I think that's just the way internet boards are.
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Which could be nearly eliminated by censoring/removing certain posters.To me, the problem is when certain posters do it over and over again, other people think it's okay, then they do it.
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He, he. Maybe FBG needs to install the "your name on the chalkboard" system like we had back in elementary school. After three checks after your name you get "time out"
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We have that already. It's called the Tool Chalkboard. In it's most basic form - I don't like to work on the boards. When a poster creates work for me by making me edit or delete their post. They go on the board. If they go on the board more than a few times, I assume they're slow learners and it's just easiest for me to get rid of them. I'm sure there's a Natural Selection joke in there some where for the FFA Guys. Sorry but that's how it works.

J

 
I have been on this messageboard for a few years now, and I've noticed a lot of change, both positive and negative. 

For example, positive: the new features have been great, such as emoticons and avatars.  For example, negative: there is more hostility on the board than there there was a few years ago. 

I'm not sure whether the quality of information has changed considerably one way or the other.

What are your opinions on what the good and bad changes of the Shark Pool forum over the last few years?
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I'm not sure I agree with your assement. Do you like my avatar? Good, now SHUTUP!! :excited:
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Case in point. J

 
There has always been a ton of bashing on this board and on the old one. But of course since it is much larger it has gone up some. Sometimes it gets old wading through the garbage to find the gold- which there is plenty of here. Everytime I think I've had enough I go to another FF message board and come crying back. I like the "be excellent" policy. I wouldn't even mind if it were enforced more strictly. Without this place would be a mess. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Joe.My wish- although I know it is simply a pipedream, would be to stop allowing new members. I KNOW it won't happen and I am not asking for it. But I was a member of a car forum that did this, no new members, and eventually all the idiots get weeded out and banned too- and that was the best message board I ever was a part of. No one flamed, people searched well, you got answers to questions, because often more knowledgable people get pushed away if there is just an influx of idiots, but that didn't happen. Unfortunately the board crashed and someone new tookover and opened it up, now it is OK but not nearly how it was. So, all in all, how is it changed since I joined? I would just say it is bigger. Still great in the offseason, still good during the season, and still some idiots- just more than there used to be. A great board all in all. :thumbup:

 
I would agree that as the board has grown, there has been more folks pushing the "be excellent to each other" thing. We've attempted to keep it to the same standard, but it's been a struggle.

On a side note, I get a fair amount of email about how I'm "ruining the board" with my "censoring" people who are unexcellent to others. So while some would say there is more bashing, I also have people who say I limit the bashing too much. So who knows.

Best way you can do something to help though is to use the "report this post" button. That's a big help.

Thanks.

J
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I believe one of the reasons for the struggle with being excellent to one another, stems from FFToday users also posting at FBG's. In the FFToday forum, anything goes, including insulting one another, with no language filters. Then when those folks come over here, it's hard for them to turn it off.
 
I would agree that as the board has grown, there has been more folks pushing the "be excellent to each other" thing. We've attempted to keep it to the same standard, but it's been a struggle.

On a side note, I get a fair amount of email about how I'm "ruining the board" with my "censoring" people who are unexcellent to others. So while some would say there is more bashing, I also have people who say I limit the bashing too much. So who knows.

Best way you can do something to help though is to use the "report this post" button. That's a big help.

Thanks.

J
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I believe one of the reasons for the struggle with being excellent to one another, stems from FFToday users also posting at FBG's. In the FFToday forum, anything goes, including insulting one another, with no language filters. Then when those folks come over here, it's hard for them to turn it off.
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They are baaaaaad men.
 
A pet peeve of mine is sifting thru all the posts where people think we care about who is on their team and who they have to start because of injuries or bye weeks.

 
I just want to take a minute to say I'm grateful the board exists, flaws and all. I've received many, many hours of enjoyment from reading the ideas and information here. As with anywhere in life, there will be those who detract and distract, but that is just human nature. Thanks to Footballguys - owners and staff - for managing it as well as you do.

 
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Positives - I agree with most - there is gold here. Definately stuff here before other places, and if you do your research and "Test" it against the stuff you read here, you'll do well.Negatives - people being "married" to their RB (or player) of choice (or on their team, but especially in RBBC it seems) - just cause a player is on your team DOESN'T mean he is a good player - people seem to lose objectivity about players, and get locked into the players on their team doing well (off the top of my head, Moore vs Bennett, Gore vs Barlow, Bell vs Anderson, etc.)All in all, much higher quality than a few other boards I check on from time to time - very enjoyable, and I will support FBGs if for no other reason than to keep the forums going.

 
I like it here, even when it gets a big snarky.

LOL at the talk in favor of more bans. Everybody is in favor of that in general. But applied to specific people for specific posts (maybe your own, maybe one you liked) , that support falls apart. It's impossible to perfectly moderate any board. Members are people, mods are people, and people are completely variable. You have to err on one side or the other when in doubt. The best boards are ones that err slightly on the side of "ahhh, let it go" rather than on the side of "if in doubt, remove it". More discussion happens that way, and that's what we're here for. Control it too tightly and discussion begins to get hesitant, like a clogged artery.

 
As a long-time subscriber to FBG but an infrequent visitor to the forums I am really frustrated with the forums.I would agree that reading the forums is a wealth of information that isn't always reported on the news. But posting a new thread and trying to get some serious advice is next to impossible. All I ever get are some smart aleck answers that are totally irrelevent. Shouldn't the forums be a place where one can come to get some friendly advice from fellow owners?

 
As a long-time subscriber to FBG but an infrequent visitor to the forums I am really frustrated with the forums.

I would agree that reading the forums is a wealth of information that isn't always reported on the news. But posting a new thread and trying to get some serious advice is next to impossible. All I ever get are some smart aleck answers that are totally irrelevent. Shouldn't the forums be a place where one can come to get some friendly advice from fellow owners?
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Ignore the smart aleck answers.Usually, you'll get the answers you need, if you just tune out the jerks.

 
Thanks. I truly believe that most here are willing to help out a fellow owner. But I recently posted about some advice for WR help and got about a dozen replies in ten minutes. I thought "Wow, what a great resource." Only to find out every one was a jerk.

 
Thanks. I truly believe that most here are willing to help out a fellow owner. But I recently posted about some advice for WR help and got about a dozen replies in ten minutes. I thought "Wow, what a great resource." Only to find out every one was a jerk.
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Posting a WW pickup in the FFA was the problem.We don't take anything seriously in there. It's nothing against you. :thumbup:

 
Aaaaah, that's the problem. Sorry, didn't realize I posted in the wrong area. Like I said, newbie.Big THANKS Keys for your help! That's what I expect from the FBG community.

 
I have been on this messageboard for a few years now, and I've noticed a lot of change, both positive and negative.

For example, positive: the new features have been great, such as emoticons and avatars. For example, negative: there is more hostility on the board than there there was a few years ago.

I'm not sure whether the quality of information has changed considerably one way or the other.

What are your opinions on what the good and bad changes of the Shark Pool forum over the last few years?
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The merging and moving of threads is out of control and uneeded is most cases IMO. Thir has to be more consistency in managing these matters. Just let them all go and take care of themselves. Deletion of totally bogus threads should be all that happens here.
 
I have been on this messageboard for a few years now, and I've noticed a lot of change, both positive and negative. 

For example, positive: the new features have been great, such as emoticons and avatars.  For example, negative: there is more hostility on the board than there there was a few years ago. 

I'm not sure whether the quality of information has changed considerably one way or the other.

What are your opinions on what the good and bad changes of the Shark Pool forum over the last few years?
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The merging and moving of threads is out of control and uneeded is most cases IMO. Thir has to be more consistency in managing these matters. Just let them all go and take care of themselves. Deletion of totally bogus threads should be all that happens here.
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Nah, the merging of threads is best.Ya don't need four threads on will Manning/edge sit week 16/17.

 
I read Shark Pool topics all the time and have for a few years now. To me, this website is totally worth the money and the board is very helpful.However, I hardly ever post anything anymore and have quietly and spinelessly read without responding because threads go way off target so fast and it more and more it seems that Sharks eat their young. If a post goes more than 2 pages, I skip the blah blah blah You're a Sally stuff and wade through the ##### to get to the meat.Can't complain too much though; I haven't found a better board out there.

 
Every board has some problems.That being said. This board is without a doubt the best one around! :thumbup: The FFT Board has turned into a zoo!I love the FFA in the off-season.

 
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I love this board the best in the offseason. Sure it's slow, but that's when you see the hardcore posters, the people with great insight, and lots of good discussion of rookies, players being traded to new teams, etc. I attribute a lot of my success in FF this year to browsing this board obsessively for those months.

During the season, you still have a lot of good discussion, but it gets buried easily under the many posts of "Is the LT2 owner leading your league?" or the five topics on the first page asking for injury updates on the same player, not too mention the obligitory "Can I join your league?" posts. :wall:
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I agree wholeheartedly. Quality content per poster goes dramatically up in February through mid summer, imo. :thumbup: It's a nice, natural weeding out process and some of the best statistical studies and analysis are done at this time. Kudos to the staff stat geeks like Drinen and Yudkin. Dowling and Rudnicki are fantastic with college player updates and potential free agent movement involving all players including IDPs. This site is terrific.

 
The merging and moving of threads is out of control and uneeded is most cases IMO. Thir has to be more consistency in managing these matters. Just let them all go and take care of themselves. Deletion of totally bogus threads should be all that happens here.
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There's plenty of consistency.Your "Should this trade be vetoed" thread was moved to the ACF. All threads like that are, once they're spotted by the moderators.

Your "Where was Roy Williams ranked today?" thread was inane and stupid. Not to mention the fact that most threads on gameday that praise or criticize individual projections/performances are also always locked.

Honestly, you're just way too sensitive. They're just threads on a message board. They sometimes get locked or deleted. So what?

 
I've also been a long-timer around here back to the Old Yeller days, and it's changed, but that always will happen with growth.As others have said, you can't beat the wealth (and SPEED) of information that is furnished on these boards. I've navigated around a few other competing boards, and there really is no comparison in terms of the knowledge base here.Sure, the tool factor has gone up proportionally with the number of users, and I often get annoyed sometimes at posters only mentioning the impact on their own teams in otherwise informational threads.But on balance, I can deal with that in order to glean the best football info out there.Many of us spend countless hours here, and for that brand of entertainment we should thank Joe, David and all the mods :thumbup:

 
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To me, just HAVING this emoticon just increases the tool factor and posters being unexcellent to one another.JOE: Why not get rid of it altogether since it serves no useful purpose IMO?
 
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There has always been a ton of bashing on this board and on the old one. But of course since it is much larger it has gone up some.

Sometimes it gets old wading through the garbage to find the gold- which there is plenty of here. Everytime I think I've had enough I go to another FF message board and come crying back.

I like the "be excellent" policy. I wouldn't even mind if it were enforced more strictly. Without this place would be a mess. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Joe.

My wish- although I know it is simply a pipedream, would be to stop allowing new members. I KNOW it won't happen and I am not asking for it. But I was a member of a car forum that did this, no new members, and eventually all the idiots get weeded out and banned too- and that was the best message board I ever was a part of. No one flamed, people searched well, you got answers to questions, because often more knowledgable people get pushed away if there is just an influx of idiots, but that didn't happen. Unfortunately the board crashed and someone new tookover and opened it up, now it is OK but not nearly how it was.

So, all in all, how is it changed since I joined? I would just say it is bigger. Still great in the offseason, still good during the season, and still some idiots- just more than there used to be. A great board all in all. :thumbup:
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I've been frequenting this site for a little over a year now and I really enjoy it.One thing that annoys me are the stereotypes that some people place on members of this board based solely upon his/her member number. Just because you were here first doesn't necessarily mean you're extra intelligent. Plenty of us turtles have enough knowledge to win the race, too. I guess the whole 'seniority' thing has always bugged me; whether it's on a message board, at work, or someplace else. People should be judged by their performance, not by how long they've been around.

That being said, I wouldn't be against starting different threads for <3, 4 and 5-digiters. Then all the senior members could hang out without feeling pestered by us dumb newbies and all of us with more digits under our names could have our own community to prove how much knowledge we can bring to this forum. I'd like to see which group of 'digiters' would actually produce the most useful info.

Just my two cents. Keep up the good work, Joe. Thanks.

 
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