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How is your guys playoffs determined? (1 Viewer)
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Chaka
Footballguy
League is three H2H divisions with four teams/division.
Three division winners and top H2H make the playoffs.
IMO H2H is deeply flawed as it favors teams with the lowest points scored against rather than the best fantasy teams. We often see a top 3 team in scoring miss the playoffs because of a brutal schedule (something we have no control over in H2H) and bottom 6 scoring teams make the playoffs because they happen to have the fewest points scored against.
My preferred system is All-Play. All 12 teams go H2H every week, the highest scoring team for the week goes 11-0, second highest 10-1 etc. It captures high scoring AND scoring consistency which systems like H2H and total points seem to miss.
Three division winners and top H2H make the playoffs.
IMO H2H is deeply flawed as it favors teams with the lowest points scored against rather than the best fantasy teams. We often see a top 3 team in scoring miss the playoffs because of a brutal schedule (something we have no control over in H2H) and bottom 6 scoring teams make the playoffs because they happen to have the fewest points scored against.
My preferred system is All-Play. All 12 teams go H2H every week, the highest scoring team for the week goes 11-0, second highest 10-1 etc. It captures high scoring AND scoring consistency which systems like H2H and total points seem to miss.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Division winners and then most points.
Most points is important IMO because it allows someone who had a bad luck schedule to still make the playoffs if they have a good team.
Most points is important IMO because it allows someone who had a bad luck schedule to still make the playoffs if they have a good team.
10 team league redraft
Teams 1 & 2 earn a bye.
Week 14
Team 3 versus 6 and 4 versus 5
Week 15
Team 1 versus lowest remaining seed
Team 2 versus next lowest seed
Week 16
SB Game
We run weeks 14-16 for playoffs since week 17 of the NFL has a lot of teams that sit players.
Depending on how many in your league, with two divisions, you should consider adding two more playoff spots.
Teams 1 & 2 earn a bye.
Week 14
Team 3 versus 6 and 4 versus 5
Week 15
Team 1 versus lowest remaining seed
Team 2 versus next lowest seed
Week 16
SB Game
We run weeks 14-16 for playoffs since week 17 of the NFL has a lot of teams that sit players.
Depending on how many in your league, with two divisions, you should consider adding two more playoff spots.
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mquinnjr
Footballguy
You need to know you're going to have competitive owners to do all play, NASCAR-style scoring, whatever you want to call it. Teams that get out slow will quit a few weeks in unless the guys just love the sport of it.
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
12-team, head-to-head league with two divisions. Playoffs are Weeks 14-16.
Winner of each division makes the playoffs and gets a bye in Week 14.
Second place in each division also make playoffs and go against a wild card team in Week 14.
Two wild card teams are determined by all-play record. (Top two teams after division winners have been removed.)
I like the mix of head-to-head and all-play. You get weekly smack talk and rivalry action. But if you're one of those teams who's always second best then you're still guaranteed a playoff spot.
Winner of each division makes the playoffs and gets a bye in Week 14.
Second place in each division also make playoffs and go against a wild card team in Week 14.
Two wild card teams are determined by all-play record. (Top two teams after division winners have been removed.)
I like the mix of head-to-head and all-play. You get weekly smack talk and rivalry action. But if you're one of those teams who's always second best then you're still guaranteed a playoff spot.
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Insoxicated
16 Teams. Top 6 teams overall record (no divisions) advance (H2H then points scored as tiebreakers) . 1/2 seeds get a bye. Bottom 10 teams play for cash payout (toilet bowl) or total points over the 3 week playoff as well.
10 Teams: Top 6 make playoffs with 1/2 getting Byes. Pay top 4 slots. No toilet bowl.
I can't stand divisions... sucks if you get stuck in a tough division and have to watch guys who play weaker divisions have cake walks into the playoffs every year.
H2H Has it's weaknesses for sure but I really do love the rivalry aspect of squaring off against just one person every week... particularly in leagues among freinds/coworkers that you communicate with regularly.
I'd love to throw in a golden parachute clause where, say, a top 2 scoring team doesn't finish in the top 6 (to qualify for playoffs) then they automatically get the 6 seed (assuming they outscored the 6 seed on the season). MIght piss off the 6 seed but who are they to #####.
10 Teams: Top 6 make playoffs with 1/2 getting Byes. Pay top 4 slots. No toilet bowl.
I can't stand divisions... sucks if you get stuck in a tough division and have to watch guys who play weaker divisions have cake walks into the playoffs every year.
H2H Has it's weaknesses for sure but I really do love the rivalry aspect of squaring off against just one person every week... particularly in leagues among freinds/coworkers that you communicate with regularly.
I'd love to throw in a golden parachute clause where, say, a top 2 scoring team doesn't finish in the top 6 (to qualify for playoffs) then they automatically get the 6 seed (assuming they outscored the 6 seed on the season). MIght piss off the 6 seed but who are they to #####.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
12 team redraft, no divisions, top 4 W-L records.
One thing I love about our league is the continuity. I'm one of six owners were founders, and two others joined in the second season (1998). I love the longevity - something like 148 years in the league all total. It is an incredibly competitive league, I feel like we're very close in our abilities, nobody snoozes during drafts or waiver claims. No matter what the record, guys keep on managing all the way through.
In 16 years, the best record ever was 10-3-1 (we went to two digit decimal the following year). Nobody has ever won 11 regular season games, last year all 4 playoff teams were 9-5. 10 different teams have won a title, 4 have two, no one has won three.
I would love all play (or at least divisions). If we did the former, I'd be 74-36 and in 1st. As it is, I'm 6-4 and hanging onto 4th (points leader by a wide margin). But a lot of league members like the quirky randomness of H2H.
ETA: total points is tiebreaker
One thing I love about our league is the continuity. I'm one of six owners were founders, and two others joined in the second season (1998). I love the longevity - something like 148 years in the league all total. It is an incredibly competitive league, I feel like we're very close in our abilities, nobody snoozes during drafts or waiver claims. No matter what the record, guys keep on managing all the way through.
In 16 years, the best record ever was 10-3-1 (we went to two digit decimal the following year). Nobody has ever won 11 regular season games, last year all 4 playoff teams were 9-5. 10 different teams have won a title, 4 have two, no one has won three.
I would love all play (or at least divisions). If we did the former, I'd be 74-36 and in 1st. As it is, I'm 6-4 and hanging onto 4th (points leader by a wide margin). But a lot of league members like the quirky randomness of H2H.
ETA: total points is tiebreaker
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Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
10+ leagues so various methods but my fav is:
12 team hth based on victory points.
13 game reg season
Up to 4 VP per week - 2 for win + 0,1 or 2 based on pts
Top 5 playoff seeds based on VP (top 2 get Rd 14 bye)
6 seed is remaining team with most points.
12 team hth based on victory points.
13 game reg season
Up to 4 VP per week - 2 for win + 0,1 or 2 based on pts
Top 5 playoff seeds based on VP (top 2 get Rd 14 bye)
6 seed is remaining team with most points.
death of the cool
Footballguy
Ours.....12 team league with 3 divisions.
6 teams make the playoffs that occur in weeks 14-16.
the 3 division winners with the top 2 division winners getting a bye.
The other 3 wild card spots go to the top point getters that were not division winners.
6 teams make the playoffs that occur in weeks 14-16.
the 3 division winners with the top 2 division winners getting a bye.
The other 3 wild card spots go to the top point getters that were not division winners.
Very similar in ours. 12 teams, 3 divisions. Division winners all get a spot, top 2 division winners get byes.We then give 2 wild card spots based on record + tiebreakers, and the final spot goes to the most total points team that doesn't already have a spot.It's also a keeper league, and the remaining 6 teams play for the top pick next year.
Wheeeee! Finally, a topic about which I feel strongly enough to make my first post.
Every league I've run since 1996 has reserved at least one Wild Card spot for the highest point-scoring team not already atop the standings. IMO it's borderline criminal not to.In a 10- or 12-team league with 4 playoff entrants I prefer:
(1) and (2) - division winners
(3) - highest point total among non-division winners
(4) - best remaining record (with H2H as tiebreaker)
In larger leagues with 6 playoff entrants it's easy enough to scale this up to the 2 best point totals and 2 best records respectively.
I'll throw out a couple of alternative options I've used with some success in the past:
(A) CBS Sportsline automatically calculates All-Play percentages for each team each week ... so in our buddies' last year on that site, we went 14 teams, no divisions, with the top record and point total getting byes, and the next 2 best records, next best point total, and best remaining All-Play % as the wild cards.
(B) In another league I ran back in the early '00s, our 6 qualifiers were best overall record and point total with the byes; best first-half (weeks 2-7) record and point total; best second-half (weeks 8-13) record and point total (in that order, among teams not already qualified). IMO this was probably my favorite format as it kept everyone interested for most of the season - there's nothing more
than an owner starting out 0-5 and just throwing in the towel on the season, and you almost never got that when everyone knew there were still playoff spots up for grabs starting at the halfway point. (Warning: No matter how enthusiastic your fellow owners may be about this format initially, they'll unanimously claim they hated the idea the first time a 6-7 regular season team takes home the title.)
Thanks! And LOL at "been here for two months" - more like a year-plus. Though I didn't get around to actually signing up until 2 months ago.Lazy? Who ... me?
Sienna2012
Footballguy
Ten Team league Top 6, win lose record get in with top two getting a first round bye. Tie Breaker, Points scored.
This is how we do it in one league i am in, probably my favorite way. It is a H2H league, so can't do just points after division winners. Giving that last wild card spot to highest remaining total points helps a team with a horrible schedule.
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GregR
Footballguy
One comment about giving a wild card to most points or the like. While I generally like the idea (and unsuccessfully pitched to my league before), it can on rare occassions lead to uncomfortable situations where the only way someone can make the playoffs is to lose their last game.
The situation would be along the lines of... win amd opponent doesn't win division and he has you easily beat for wild card on points. Lose and he wins division and you will likely have best points for wildcard then even if you don't score much. IIRC Staffer Ken Maxwell was once in this boat.
The situation would be along the lines of... win amd opponent doesn't win division and he has you easily beat for wild card on points. Lose and he wins division and you will likely have best points for wildcard then even if you don't score much. IIRC Staffer Ken Maxwell was once in this boat.
Jedi Knight
Footballguy
10 Team League.
Top five teams by H2H record are in the play-offs, bottom five play the consolation round. Weeks 15 and 16- total points race (so one bad week won't kill you).
Teams start with average points per game (kind of a "Home Field advantage" to the top teams) and add weeks 15 and 16 to that. Champion is the team that has the highest score over the two weeks.
Top five teams by H2H record are in the play-offs, bottom five play the consolation round. Weeks 15 and 16- total points race (so one bad week won't kill you).
Teams start with average points per game (kind of a "Home Field advantage" to the top teams) and add weeks 15 and 16 to that. Champion is the team that has the highest score over the two weeks.
24 teams, 2-12 team conferences, 6-4 team divisions.
12 game regular season, top 4 teams get a bye.
Teams 5-12 play each other in week 13, with the winners facing teams 1-4 in week 14. Semi's week 15, Championship in week 16
Teams 13-24 and the 4 week 13 losers play a 3 week combined point total for the toilet bowl prize.
12 game regular season, top 4 teams get a bye.
Teams 5-12 play each other in week 13, with the winners facing teams 1-4 in week 14. Semi's week 15, Championship in week 16
Teams 13-24 and the 4 week 13 losers play a 3 week combined point total for the toilet bowl prize.
Titletown_Favres
Footballguy
Very unique playoff setup for IDP Contract Dynasty
One bad week doesn't eliminate you - 3rd yr doing this and all love it
12 Teams -- 3 Divisions
Seeds 1-3 Division Winner (record then pts)
Seed 4-5 Wild Card any division (record then pts)
Seed 6 (POINTS NOT RECORD)
WILD CARD WEEKEND (Week 13):
Seeds 3 through 6 will face-off in a bid to gain entry to the 4-team Championship.
The two highest scoring teams during this week advance to the Championship round.
Ties are broken by Seed.
LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND (Weeks 14-16)
Four (4) teams advance to the Championship Round. [the top two (2) division winners (Seeds 1 & 2) and the two (2) teams advancing from Wild-Card Week]
Week 14-16 will consist of a 4-team ALL-PLAY tournament.
Each week an owner in the Championship Round plays the other three (3) teams.
Therefore, each owner plays a total of 9 games (3 weeks of 3 games) in the Championship Round
One bad week doesn't eliminate you - 3rd yr doing this and all love it
12 Teams -- 3 Divisions
Seeds 1-3 Division Winner (record then pts)
Seed 4-5 Wild Card any division (record then pts)
Seed 6 (POINTS NOT RECORD)
WILD CARD WEEKEND (Week 13):
Seeds 3 through 6 will face-off in a bid to gain entry to the 4-team Championship.
The two highest scoring teams during this week advance to the Championship round.
Ties are broken by Seed.
LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND (Weeks 14-16)
Four (4) teams advance to the Championship Round. [the top two (2) division winners (Seeds 1 & 2) and the two (2) teams advancing from Wild-Card Week]
Week 14-16 will consist of a 4-team ALL-PLAY tournament.
Each week an owner in the Championship Round plays the other three (3) teams.
Therefore, each owner plays a total of 9 games (3 weeks of 3 games) in the Championship Round
Donsmith753
Footballguy
16 teams.
Four Division winners and 2 wildcards (based first on record and then points scored)
Top 2 Division winners get a first round bye.
Remaining 4 playoff 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5.
Don't reseed after each round.
Four Division winners and 2 wildcards (based first on record and then points scored)
Top 2 Division winners get a first round bye.
Remaining 4 playoff 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5.
Don't reseed after each round.
otb_lifer
Footballguy
CurlyDumps
Footballguy
We're trying a new system this year that I love. 12-team H2H league. 6 teams make the playoffs. Top 4 spots go to best records, points for being tiebreaker. Last two spots are wildcard style and go to the two teams with most points for that aren't among the top 4.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
16 team.
4 division winners.
2 wild cards from one conference and 2 wild cards from the other conference.
4 division winners.
2 wild cards from one conference and 2 wild cards from the other conference.
I sense sarcasm and that you think your league is cooler than mine. That's fine by me, I wouldn't expect all you guppies to be able to handle a 24 team league.
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
Which team is more worthy of a Wild Card trip to the playoffs?
Team A has an All-Play record of 71-37-2 but has only scored 646 total points.
Team B has an All-Play record of 62-48-0 but has scored 669 total points.
[This is based on actual numbers taken from an MFL league I'm running.]
Team A has an All-Play record of 71-37-2 but has only scored 646 total points.
Team B has an All-Play record of 62-48-0 but has scored 669 total points.
[This is based on actual numbers taken from an MFL league I'm running.]
donkshow
Footballguy
Our playoffs are simply 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 etc. Typical playoff bracket. Most points per week wins.
H2H really favours a flukey/unlucky week, which is unfortunate.
Our league pays out the most regular season fantasy points scored for this very reason, along with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Payouts go as follows (in order of $$ payment).
1st
2nd
Reg. Season points leader
3rd
Tell me about it. I'm 4-6 and sitting 10th out of 14 with the most fantasy points scored in my league.Tough luck (ie- 2nd most points scored facing the team that gets the most points that week).
H2H really favours a flukey/unlucky week, which is unfortunate.
Our league pays out the most regular season fantasy points scored for this very reason, along with 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Payouts go as follows (in order of $$ payment).
1st
2nd
Reg. Season points leader
3rd
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Chaka
Footballguy
Team A appears to have scored points more consistently than Team B. Looks like Team B is riding a couple monster weeks and, likely, a bunch of very poor weeks.This is why I like All-Play over Total Points, it captures high scoring AND scoring consistency which is something I value (although YMMV on that).I say Team A goes to the playoffs.
League A
10-team, H2H league, one division. Top 3 teams by record get in, as well as the team with the highest pts scored of the remaining 7. Playoffs run weeks 15 and 16.
League B
12-team, H2H league, one division. Top 4 teams by record get in. Playoffs run weeks 15 and 16.
Since this means the team with the most pts scored may not make the playoffs, we divide the prize money as follows (where x represents league dues):
1st place: 4x
2nd place: 3x
3rd place: 2x
4th place: 1x
Most pts scored in regular season: 2x
10-team, H2H league, one division. Top 3 teams by record get in, as well as the team with the highest pts scored of the remaining 7. Playoffs run weeks 15 and 16.
League B
12-team, H2H league, one division. Top 4 teams by record get in. Playoffs run weeks 15 and 16.
Since this means the team with the most pts scored may not make the playoffs, we divide the prize money as follows (where x represents league dues):
1st place: 4x
2nd place: 3x
3rd place: 2x
4th place: 1x
Most pts scored in regular season: 2x
Insein
Footballguy
Lord Fantasy
Footballguy
I share your values and agree with your points, but this discussion made me pause. I had assumed that total points and all-play would track more closely, but looking at our standings it seems that there's enough divergence that the wild card picture would be very different under the two approaches.In any case, we're set up for all-play and I'm not looking to change, but food for thought.
HFA is another concept that doesn't get nearly enough love in the FF universe.If the whole point of the playoffs is to reward the most consistent teams, why should we be so willing to accept the random statistical noise that one week of scoring brings once the playoffs actually start?In leagues I used to run I expecimented with various types of HFA. Eventually I settled on giving a 2-TD bump to the 1-seed over the 4-seed and 1-TD for the 2-seed over the 3 - and nothing for the title game - which seemed to work fairly well. But I really like your idea of starting with average points per game from the regular season. I may have to float that one to a couple of commissioners in my leagues next year.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
Our playoffs allow too many team in (8 out of 12) - but we give the first three seeds to division winners (determined by overall record then division record then point differential). We then award seeds 4-8 to based on overall record, then division record, then point differential, then head to head, then coin flip if necessary (it has never come to that).
I have proposed eliminating divisions and going to a 4 team playoff based on record, then head to head, then point differential but have been repeatedly denied as the commish prefers divisional play.
I have proposed eliminating divisions and going to a 4 team playoff based on record, then head to head, then point differential but have been repeatedly denied as the commish prefers divisional play.
Insein
Footballguy
Why not do 6. 2 Divisions (or no divisions doesn't really matter). Top 2 get a bye and next 4 get in.
kardplayer
Footballguy
12 teams: 3 division winners, 2 next best records, highest scorer amongst the remaining 7 teams
12 teams: 17 week regular season, wild card round off, 8 teams make 3 round H2H playoffs. 3 division winners, 3 next best records, 2 remaining with highest points
10 teams: Top 4 records
12 teams: Top 4 records
12 teams: 17 week regular season, wild card round off, 8 teams make 3 round H2H playoffs. 3 division winners, 3 next best records, 2 remaining with highest points
10 teams: Top 4 records
12 teams: Top 4 records
