How many DUIs before losing driver's license for good? (1 Viewer)

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This ##### killed my aunt and uncle.

Man charged with couple's death in crash
Mercer County incident is his fourth DUI case for 2003.
January 13, 2004|By Manuel Gamiz Jr. Of The Morning Call
Joseph C. Stemple Jr., a Bethlehem man with three drunken driving arrests in early 2003, was charged Monday with killing a couple in a drunken driving crash in western Pennsylvania two months ago, authorities said.

Shenango Township police in Mercer County charged Stemple, 41, of 1314 Lorain Ave., with two counts each of homicide by vehicle and homicide by vehicle while driving under the influence, five counts of reckless endangerment and a count of drunken driving.

Shenango Township Police Chief Ron Preston said he expects Stemple, the son of the Whitpain Township police chief in Montgomery County, to turn himself in Wednesday.

According to Shenango police, Stemple drove the wrong way on Route 60 in the township on Nov. 5 and his vehicle hit a vehicle transporting Norma Romanio, 73, and Donald Romanio, 69, of New Castle.

Norma Romanio was killed instantly, and her husband died later at St. Elizabeth Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, township police said. Stemple, who was headed to Cleveland before he crashed, was treated for injuries at the same hospital.

Preston said Stemple's blood-alcohol ratio was more than 0.3 percent.

It was the fourth time Stemple was behind the wheel in a drunken driving crash in 2003, and his blood-alcohol ratio in all of them was more than three times what the state considers the limit, according to police.

Despite having his first drunken driving arrest in February, Stemple had a valid driver's license until last week, when he surrendered it to authorities after pleading guilty Friday to two Montgomery County drunken driving arrests.

John Gradel, a Montgomery County assistant district attorney, said driving privileges are suspended upon a drunken driving conviction, not an arrest.

Upon entering a guilty plea in Montgomery County, Stemple was sentenced to 30 days to 23 months in jail, a $300 fine, traffic safety classes and an evaluation to determine outpatient counseling needs, according to court records.

East Norriton police said Stemple, living in Blue Bell at the time, struck a car with his on Feb. 13 in a shopping center parking lot on Germantown Pike, failed three field sobriety tests and had a blood-alcohol ratio of 0.36 percent, according to court documents.

Pottstown police Capt. Allan Ewing said Stemple was charged with drunken driving and careless driving after his vehicle rear-ended a vehicle that was stopped at a traffic light on Route 100 on May 1.

Two occupants in the other vehicle complained of neck pain, and Stemple registered a blood-alcohol ratio of 0.35 percent, Ewing said.

But in the end this is moot, technology will do away with this problem in ten years.

What do you mean by this?

Probably means autonomous cars.

 

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Probably means autonomous cars.

Putting that off as long as possible.... I enjoy driving.

 

[KCitons]

I think anything after the 1st time should result in public hanging. We give people too many 2nd chances. (this applies to speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, etc)

2nd speeding ticket punishable by death... I've seen it all

What's so hard to understand. Is there a legitimate reason for people to exceed the speed limit? Does excessive speed lead to more accidents or greater injuries in said accidents? It boils down to a person not wanting to follow rules, in doing so they put other people at risk. If they don't care about me, why should I care about them?

 

[StrikeS2k]

I think anything after the 1st time should result in public hanging. We give people too many 2nd chances. (this applies to speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, etc)

2nd speeding ticket punishable by death... I've seen it all

What's so hard to understand. Is there a legitimate reason for people to exceed the speed limit? Does excessive speed lead to more accidents or greater injuries in said accidents? It boils down to a person not wanting to follow rules, in doing so they put other people at risk. If they don't care about me, why should I care about them?

Yes.

 

[KCitons]

I think anything after the 1st time should result in public hanging. We give people too many 2nd chances. (this applies to speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, etc)

2nd speeding ticket punishable by death... I've seen it all

What's so hard to understand. Is there a legitimate reason for people to exceed the speed limit? Does excessive speed lead to more accidents or greater injuries in said accidents? It boils down to a person not wanting to follow rules, in doing so they put other people at risk. If they don't care about me, why should I care about them?

Yes.

list please.

 

[NutterButter]

I think anything after the 1st time should result in public hanging. We give people too many 2nd chances. (this applies to speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, etc)

2nd speeding ticket punishable by death... I've seen it all

What's so hard to understand. Is there a legitimate reason for people to exceed the speed limit? Does excessive speed lead to more accidents or greater injuries in said accidents? It boils down to a person not wanting to follow rules, in doing so they put other people at risk. If they don't care about me, why should I care about them?

How do you feel about not using turn signals?

 

[KCitons]

I think anything after the 1st time should result in public hanging. We give people too many 2nd chances. (this applies to speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, etc)

2nd speeding ticket punishable by death... I've seen it all

What's so hard to understand. Is there a legitimate reason for people to exceed the speed limit? Does excessive speed lead to more accidents or greater injuries in said accidents? It boils down to a person not wanting to follow rules, in doing so they put other people at risk. If they don't care about me, why should I care about them?

How do you feel about not using turn signals?

If someone chooses not to use their turn signal, they're increasing the chances of a accident. Hang em.

Edit: They get one warning. Then hang em.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I think anything after the 1st time should result in public hanging. We give people too many 2nd chances. (this applies to speeding, reckless driving, texting while driving, etc)

2nd speeding ticket punishable by death... I've seen it all

What's so hard to understand. Is there a legitimate reason for people to exceed the speed limit? Does excessive speed lead to more accidents or greater injuries in said accidents? It boils down to a person not wanting to follow rules, in doing so they put other people at risk. If they don't care about me, why should I care about them?

Yes.

list please.

To get to my destination in a shorter period of time.

 

[KCitons]

Imagine what it would be like if we revoked drivers licenses for all 2nd offense violations. It would increase carpooling, expand our public transportation, and make driving a much more pleasant experience for those that follow the rules.

 

[matttyl]

Imagine what it would be like if we revoked drivers licenses for all 2nd offense violations. It would increase carpooling, expand our public transportation, and make driving a much more pleasant experience for those that follow the rules.

He's got a point there....

 

[Fennis]

11 maybe 12

 

[Zow]

A lot if you are ####### delusional.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

A lot if you are ####### delusional.

New here?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Woz is the voice of reason in this thread. Let that sink in for a bit.

 

[Courtjester]

1, maybe 2 depending on the circumstances of the first.

I've been piss drunk many times and each time I still had the common sense not to drive. If I can do that, everyone else should be held to the same standard.

3 strikes and you are out.

In my 20s I drove drunk all the time as did all my friends.. and we never even thought about it. Just went out and drank whatever and then went home. Looking back it is hard to believe I never got a DUI nor did I know anybody that got one. Now I am paranoid to drive if I have 2-3 Lite beers.

This was me as well. Something I am really not proud of. I too will not drive if I have any more than 2 beers. However, I really support ICON'S idea. I think 3 should be 10 years and 4 equals life and it should also be a felony.

 

[KCitons]

1, maybe 2 depending on the circumstances of the first.

I've been piss drunk many times and each time I still had the common sense not to drive. If I can do that, everyone else should be held to the same standard.

3 strikes and you are out.

In my 20s I drove drunk all the time as did all my friends.. and we never even thought about it. Just went out and drank whatever and then went home. Looking back it is hard to believe I never got a DUI nor did I know anybody that got one. Now I am paranoid to drive if I have 2-3 Lite beers.

This was me as well. Something I am really not proud of. I too will not drive if I have any more than 2 beers. However, I really support ICON'S idea. I think 3 should be 10 years and 4 equals life and it should also be a felony.

Why does it take four times before you lose your license? I get it, people screw up in their life. If you make the same mistake twice take ownership.

 

[KCitons]

the more I think about it, not sure why it surprises me. we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, why take it away from American citizens.

 

[Zow]

the more I think about it, not sure why it surprises me. we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, why take it away from American citizens.

Didn't we already do this thread a year or two ago? People are going to laugh at you all over again.

 

[KCitons]

the more I think about it, not sure why it surprises me. we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens, why take it away from American citizens.

Didn't we already do this thread a year or two ago? People are going to laugh at you all over again.

What's your point?

 

[Zow]

That your views are myopic and irrational.

 

[KCitons]

That your views are myopic and irrational.

We all have dreams. Why are mine any more irrational than yours?

 

[Zow]

That your views are myopic and irrational.

We all have dreams. Why are mine any more irrational than yours?

Considers my dreams generally include a threesome with Elisha cuthbert and Jessica biel, mine are probably just as delusional. But if your dream is for aliens and those convicted of DUI to never get licenses you need to get out more.

 

[KCitons]

This situation is different from other punishments. Usually, you hear that our prisons are too full, and our legal system is clogged. Taking away a persons license doesn't cost the taxpayer anything. As I mentioned already, it may funnel funds into the public transportation system.

For those that think it's extreme to take away a persons license for DUI, are you of the belief that all people should have the right to drive? Poor people may not be able to get a license, since they don't have a car to learn with, or use to take the test. If it's a right to drive, there should be a government funded program to supply everyone with a car.

 

[Apple Jack]

This situation is different from other punishments. Usually, you hear that our prisons are too full, and our legal system is clogged. Taking away a persons license doesn't cost the taxpayer anything. As I mentioned already, it may funnel funds into the public transportation system.

For those that think it's extreme to take away a persons license for DUI, are you of the belief that all people should have the right to drive? Poor people may not be able to get a license, since they don't have a car to learn with, or use to take the test. If it's a right to drive, there should be a government funded program to supply everyone with a car.

A right to drive is not a right to have a car to learn how to drive in.

 

[KCitons]

That your views are myopic and irrational.

We all have dreams. Why are mine any more irrational than yours?

Considers my dreams generally include a threesome with Elisha cuthbert and Jessica biel, mine are probably just as delusional.But if your dream is for aliens and those convicted of DUI to never get licenses you need to get out more.

how would exposing myself to these people more solve my problem? I would get if you said I need to drink more. Then maybe.

It's not like there aren't multiple alternatives to driving when you have been drinking. Why is it so difficult to use one of these other options? Or just abstain?

 

[KCitons]

This situation is different from other punishments. Usually, you hear that our prisons are too full, and our legal system is clogged. Taking away a persons license doesn't cost the taxpayer anything. As I mentioned already, it may funnel funds into the public transportation system.

For those that think it's extreme to take away a persons license for DUI, are you of the belief that all people should have the right to drive? Poor people may not be able to get a license, since they don't have a car to learn with, or use to take the test. If it's a right to drive, there should be a government funded program to supply everyone with a car.

A right to drive is not a right to have a car to learn how to drive in.

It's not a right to drive either. It's a privilege that can be taken away.

 

[Apple Jack]

This situation is different from other punishments. Usually, you hear that our prisons are too full, and our legal system is clogged. Taking away a persons license doesn't cost the taxpayer anything. As I mentioned already, it may funnel funds into the public transportation system.

For those that think it's extreme to take away a persons license for DUI, are you of the belief that all people should have the right to drive? Poor people may not be able to get a license, since they don't have a car to learn with, or use to take the test. If it's a right to drive, there should be a government funded program to supply everyone with a car.

A right to drive is not a right to have a car to learn how to drive in.

It's not a right to drive either. It's a privilege that can be taken away.

Yes, I know. I was just pointing out the flaw in your what if exercise to you.

 

[KCitons]

This situation is different from other punishments. Usually, you hear that our prisons are too full, and our legal system is clogged. Taking away a persons license doesn't cost the taxpayer anything. As I mentioned already, it may funnel funds into the public transportation system.

For those that think it's extreme to take away a persons license for DUI, are you of the belief that all people should have the right to drive? Poor people may not be able to get a license, since they don't have a car to learn with, or use to take the test. If it's a right to drive, there should be a government funded program to supply everyone with a car.

A right to drive is not a right to have a car to learn how to drive in.

It's not a right to drive either. It's a privilege that can be taken away.

Yes, I know. I was just pointing out the flaw in your what if exercise to you.

That's the only flaw you found?

 

[FUBAR]

1, maybe 2 depending on the circumstances of the first.

I've been piss drunk many times and each time I still had the common sense not to drive. If I can do that, everyone else should be held to the same standard.

3 strikes and you are out.

In my 20s I drove drunk all the time as did all my friends.. and we never even thought about it. Just went out and drank whatever and then went home. Looking back it is hard to believe I never got a DUI nor did I know anybody that got one. Now I am paranoid to drive if I have 2-3 Lite beers.

This was me as well. Something I am really not proud of. I too will not drive if I have any more than 2 beers. However, I really support ICON'S idea. I think 3 should be 10 years and 4 equals life and it should also be a felony.

From age 19-21 I don't remember how many times I was probably drunk, drove across the border, another half an hour home at 80-90 miles per hour and somehow made it home safe and never got busted. Maybe that was because I was such an excellent driver but far more likely I was lucky as hell and 20 years ago the cops weren't cracking down as hard. As a society we've learned better since then.

3 strikes rule.

 

[ghostguy123]

Give em a choice of lifetime ban or 6 months in Jail.

If another one after that, lifetime ban AND 6 months in jail.

How many before this choice??? Difficult to answer as all DUI's are not alike. You can get a DUI just sitting in the car with it running trying to get warm while you wait for a ride to come get you. Also, a 0.09 is quite different than a 0.2.

Although, a lot of people get DUi's when they don't even have a license.

Some sort of tiered 3 strike rule would make sense with 3 "bad" ones count as 3 strikes, while it might take a couple lesser ones to count as a strike.

 

[rockaction]

That your views are myopic and irrational.

We all have dreams. Why are mine any more irrational than yours?

My dreams generally include a threesome with Elisha Cuthbert and Jessica Biel

I can empathize with this.

 

[ghostguy123]

Did someone recommend public hangings for speeding?

I guess that makes sense. Let's offset some car accidents by hanging 99% of the population.

I mean, why not just kill people. That way they can't get hurt in a car accident.

Best idea in any thread yet

 

[KCitons]

Did someone recommend public hangings for speeding?

I guess that makes sense. Let's offset some car accidents by hanging 99% of the population.

I mean, why not just kill people. That way they can't get hurt in a car accident.

Best idea in any thread yet

Thank you, I spent a lot of time putting that all together.

 

[renesauz]

Forced to choose, went with 3, but a lot of good arguments in here advocating tiered systems and discussing "levels" of DUI. Completely agree that cnosidering .09 and .19 as essentially the same thing is ludicrous.

No easy answer.

 

[RandyDB]

This situation is different from other punishments. Usually, you hear that our prisons are too full, and our legal system is clogged. Taking away a persons license doesn't cost the taxpayer anything. As I mentioned already, it may funnel funds into the public transportation system.

For those that think it's extreme to take away a persons license for DUI, are you of the belief that all people should have the right to drive? Poor people may not be able to get a license, since they don't have a car to learn with, or use to take the test. If it's a right to drive, there should be a government funded program to supply everyone with a car.

There should be a government funded program to supply every family with a car, a house, utilities (heat,water,phone, cable, internet).

 

[flapgreen]

Most people have driven under the influence of something at one point or another. The "one" votes are silly.