how many touches does Barber get ? (1 Viewer)

[cantstop1999]

i know he had 247 lst year. how many do you guy's think this year ? Everyone seems to like him but some think he won't see much more carries. you?

 

[MAC_32]

I think 20/game sounds reasonable, so I voted for 325. Health dependent, obviously.

 

[FUBAR]

you should have more options, it isn't a given that he has more carries this year, even with a rookie his RBBC partner.

250

 

[benm3218]

I don't know who Bareber is... But I am guessing he gets 250 or a few less with Feliex on the team.

 

[joffer]

Bareber - 0

Barber - 290 (250/40)

 

[menobrown]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

 

[cantstop1999]

I don't know who Bareber is... But I am guessing he gets 250 or a few less with Feliex on the team.

Get a life !

 

[Burning Sensation]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

 

[cantstop1999]

bump

 

[cantstop1999]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

 

[Jack Burton]

I picked 300.

I think that the Cows would want to get their money's worth out of Barber. Three hundred touches is a good start.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

I believe the 'Boys used Barber more than they wanted to last year during the regular season. Thats why they spent a first round pick on Felix Jones, who i think will be much more productive than Juluis was last year. I am thinking 180 carries and 25 catches for Barber.

 

[Moe Green]

Bareber - 0Barber - 290 (250/40)

This is the correct answer.

 

[Moe Green]

There, there, little Bareber...

 

[joffer]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

I believe the 'Boys used Barber more than they wanted to last year during the regular season. Thats why they spent a first round pick on Felix Jones, who i think will be much more productive than Juluis was last year. I am thinking 180 carries and 25 catches for Barber.

absolutely, every team spends $45 million, $19 of it guaranteed on a RB that they only plan to give the ball to 200 times.

 

[joffer]

it seems that we're dealing with two competing indicators, the contract that the Cowboys gave Barber vs. the drafting of Jones. i can think of examples in the past of teams drafting a 1st round RB without the immediate intention of giving him a significant # of touches his first year, but i can't think of a RB that received a contract that big and didn't get 70%+ of the touches the next year (barring injury). maybe they're out there, but i haven't thought of one.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think 20/game sounds reasonable, so I voted for 325. Health dependent, obviously.

If you knew Barber had 325 rushes right now, it would be fair to say that he'd finish in the top 3 and possibly the NO. 1 back. He would end up with something like 1300 to 1400 yards with 15 plus Td's on the ground. Although I love thinking about numbers like that, I don't think he'll get the ball that much.I do think he'll get a slight increase because he does have two rookies backing him up and he's finally the starter. I'd get he gets the ball somewhere around 280 carries. He should get a lot towards the end of games if Dallas does indeed have the lead.

 

[Crippler]

Nothing low enough. I see about the same as last year. Felix replaces Jones and Choice is there to spell Barber in most blowouts on top of this.

 

[Zoomanji]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

I would have increased from last years numbers but 250 wasn't an option.

 

[joffer]

does anyone know where to find a list RB salaries for the upcoming 2008?

 

[FUBAR]

I think 20/game sounds reasonable, so I voted for 325. Health dependent, obviously.

If you knew Barber had 325 rushes right now, it would be fair to say that he'd finish in the top 3 and possibly the NO. 1 back. He would end up with something like 1300 to 1400 yards with 15 plus Td's on the ground. Although I love thinking about numbers like that, I don't think he'll get the ball that much.I do think he'll get a slight increase because he does have two rookies backing him up and he's finally the starter. I'd get he gets the ball somewhere around 280 carries. He should get a lot towards the end of games if Dallas does indeed have the lead.

I concur, if he got the ball that often, he'd be right behind LT, AD, maybe Westbrook and SJax. Problem is, that's where quite a few people have him ranked without the increase. IMO, he's more likely to hit under 10 TDs than over 300 carries.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

it seems that we're dealing with two competing indicators, the contract that the Cowboys gave Barber vs. the drafting of Jones. i can think of examples in the past of teams drafting a 1st round RB without the immediate intention of giving him a significant # of touches his first year, but i can't think of a RB that received a contract that big and didn't get 70%+ of the touches the next year (barring injury). maybe they're out there, but i haven't thought of one.

Problem is a very limited data set. A contract in the last year or two are MUCH higher on average than those signed just a couple of years before. The salary cap has gone up considerably in recent years AND there is the weird "uncapped" years phenomenon floating around out there right now.Barber's contract is big, no doubt (certainly "starter money" can't argue that). But you can't compare it to the contracts signed three and four years ago and say the team values this guy more than the other teams value their guys. Alexander was signed for slightly LESS than what Barber just got per year in 2006 and it was a RECORD deal at the time. Of course, he's no longer with the team two years later. Here's the other half of the equation:2007 Peterson, Lynch2006 Bush, Maroney, Williams, Addai2005 Brown, Benson, Caddy2004 S Jackson, Perry, K Jones (Perry was injured his first year)2003 McGahee, Larry Johnson (LJ is first example I see, and he had a record-setting back in front of him at the time)2002 Green, Duckett (both heavily used in rookie year)2001 LT, McAllister, Bennett (McAllister 2nd example)2000 Lewis, T Jones, Dayne, Alexander, Canidate (Alexander and Canidate OK examples)1999 James, WilliamsYou have to look pretty darn hard to find 1st round RBs that teams don't plan to use extensively the first year, and Alexander is the ONLY one in recent history to be drafted where Felix was or before. In the last four years, every single first round back was used extensively in their rookie year (majority of them started by the end of the year). Even the guys that went to teams with very established starters saw a lot of action.

 

[joffer]

it seems that we're dealing with two competing indicators, the contract that the Cowboys gave Barber vs. the drafting of Jones. i can think of examples in the past of teams drafting a 1st round RB without the immediate intention of giving him a significant # of touches his first year, but i can't think of a RB that received a contract that big and didn't get 70%+ of the touches the next year (barring injury). maybe they're out there, but i haven't thought of one.

Problem is a very limited data set. A contract in the last year or two are MUCH higher on average than those signed just a couple of years before. The salary cap has gone up considerably in recent years AND there is the weird "uncapped" years phenomenon floating around out there right now.Barber's contract is big, no doubt (certainly "starter money" can't argue that). But you can't compare it to the contracts signed three and four years ago and say the team values this guy more than the other teams value their guys. Alexander was signed for slightly LESS than what Barber just got per year in 2006 and it was a RECORD deal at the time. Of course, he's no longer with the team two years later.

so in other words, there aren't any examples, correct?

Here's the other half of the equation:

2007 Peterson, Lynch

2006 Bush, Maroney, Williams, Addai

2005 Brown, Benson, Caddy

2004 S Jackson, Perry, K Jones (Perry was injured his first year)

2003 McGahee, Larry Johnson (LJ is first example I see, and he had a record-setting back in front of him at the time)

2002 Green, Duckett (both heavily used in rookie year)

2001 LT, McAllister, Bennett (McAllister 2nd example)

2000 Lewis, T Jones, Dayne, Alexander, Canidate (Alexander and Canidate OK examples)

1999 James, Williams

You have to look pretty darn hard to find 1st round RBs that teams don't plan to use extensively the first year, and Alexander is the ONLY one in recent history to be drafted where Felix was or before. In the last four years, every single first round back was used extensively in their rookie year (majority of them started by the end of the year). Even the guys that went to teams with very established starters saw a lot of action.

there seems to be about 450 Dallas RB touches out there. I'm looking for examples of 1st round RBs that received less than 200 touches. If FJ doesn't get 200, then Barber almost has to get 250+ (quite a few "200" replies already in this thread).Williams only had 154 touches

Benson - not sure why LJ is the 1st example you see with Benson's whopping 68 touches staring us in the face

Green - drawing a blank on that one

Duckett - 139

 

[switz]

If FJ doesn't get 200, then Barber almost has to get 250+ (quite a few "200" replies already in this thread).

They also want to get Choice involved in the game. Total speculation, but if they do give Barber more of a workload, maybe Choice will get some of the goalline carries. Either way, Choice has to be figured in the mix for 2-3 touches a game.

 

[jaybebo]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

I believe the 'Boys used Barber more than they wanted to last year during the regular season. Thats why they spent a first round pick on Felix Jones, who i think will be much more productive than Juluis was last year. I am thinking 180 carries and 25 catches for Barber.

absolutely, every team spends $45 million, $19 of it guaranteed on a RB that they only plan to give the ball to 200 times.

With 200 touches for the year, Barber would only get the ball in his hand 12.5 times a game...definitely way off on this one...I chose 300...could be more...as Jones could be used as a slot receiver in Dallas from time to time.

 

[joffer]

If FJ doesn't get 200, then Barber almost has to get 250+ (quite a few "200" replies already in this thread).

They also want to get Choice involved in the game. Total speculation, but if they do give Barber more of a workload, maybe Choice will get some of the goalline carries. Either way, Choice has to be figured in the mix for 2-3 touches a game.

i don't agree Choice has to be figured for that. Jones/Barber got 95% of the RB touches last year.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

it seems that we're dealing with two competing indicators, the contract that the Cowboys gave Barber vs. the drafting of Jones. i can think of examples in the past of teams drafting a 1st round RB without the immediate intention of giving him a significant # of touches his first year, but i can't think of a RB that received a contract that big and didn't get 70%+ of the touches the next year (barring injury). maybe they're out there, but i haven't thought of one.

Problem is a very limited data set. A contract in the last year or two are MUCH higher on average than those signed just a couple of years before. The salary cap has gone up considerably in recent years AND there is the weird "uncapped" years phenomenon floating around out there right now.Barber's contract is big, no doubt (certainly "starter money" can't argue that). But you can't compare it to the contracts signed three and four years ago and say the team values this guy more than the other teams value their guys. Alexander was signed for slightly LESS than what Barber just got per year in 2006 and it was a RECORD deal at the time. Of course, he's no longer with the team two years later.

so in other words, there aren't any examples, correct?

Here's the other half of the equation:

2007 Peterson, Lynch

2006 Bush, Maroney, Williams, Addai

2005 Brown, Benson, Caddy

2004 S Jackson, Perry, K Jones (Perry was injured his first year)

2003 McGahee, Larry Johnson (LJ is first example I see, and he had a record-setting back in front of him at the time)

2002 Green, Duckett (both heavily used in rookie year)

2001 LT, McAllister, Bennett (McAllister 2nd example)

2000 Lewis, T Jones, Dayne, Alexander, Canidate (Alexander and Canidate OK examples)

1999 James, Williams

You have to look pretty darn hard to find 1st round RBs that teams don't plan to use extensively the first year, and Alexander is the ONLY one in recent history to be drafted where Felix was or before. In the last four years, every single first round back was used extensively in their rookie year (majority of them started by the end of the year). Even the guys that went to teams with very established starters saw a lot of action.

there seems to be about 450 Dallas RB touches out there. I'm looking for examples of 1st round RBs that received less than 200 touches. If FJ doesn't get 200, then Barber almost has to get 250+ (quite a few "200" replies already in this thread).Williams only had 154 touches

Benson - not sure why LJ is the 1st example you see with Benson's whopping 68 touches staring us in the face

Green - drawing a blank on that one

Duckett - 139

"Big" RB FA contracts signed this year:Turner 6M/year. Some will say every down back, others committee with Norwood.

Julius Jones signed a contract at 3M/year almost certainly to be RBBC.

Jamal Lewis a little over 5M/year, ostensibly to be the workhorse.

There's your data set. If you choose to draw big conclusions from it, that's cool, but I have trouble with saying "Because a team signed this guy for X dollars, he will be used and the first round RB they drafted won't."

Honestly, you hit it on the head with your first (in our discussion anyway) post. There are conflicting points of analysis on how much he will be used. On one hand, it would be odd to give a guy that much money to be a part-time player - I don't disagree with this. On the other hand, it would be odd to draft a guy in the mid-first round to have him sit on the bench. Sure you can find RARE counter examples with the 1st rounders. But on the other (contract value) side, while there don't seem to be any OBVIOUS counter-examples, you are looking at a very small data set (it might even be a set of one when you consider all of the factors).

The deciding factor for me is the very SOLID recent history of the team using (and being successful with) a RBBC approach, and the primary back having been a RBBC guy for his whole career.

I can totally understand where the guys who think Barber is in for a big year are coming from. But to make the LOWEST of the options higher than the guy's HIGHEST season total (over three years) let alone his career average, seem a little out of whack to me (and others). I'm not even saying I would go with 200 touches, I'm just saying it should be an option for guys who believe Felix will get MORE touches than Julius did (not a crazy notion IMO), OR that Dallas will run less this year than last.

 

[sholditch]

If he averages 17.5 cpg and mantains his ypc he finished with 1344 rushing. I voted low cause I was thinking rushes and not touches, but I doubt he's used that much in the passing game. Probably lower catches than last year, so right around 300 total touches is about right.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

I believe the 'Boys used Barber more than they wanted to last year during the regular season. Thats why they spent a first round pick on Felix Jones, who i think will be much more productive than Juluis was last year. I am thinking 180 carries and 25 catches for Barber.

absolutely, every team spends $45 million, $19 of it guaranteed on a RB that they only plan to give the ball to 200 times.

Maybe not, but they do pay players that much who can help them win the Superbowl. By limiting his touches in the regular season, Barber is more likely to be healthy and less worn down for the playoffs.

 

[Kleck]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

You asked for opinions... I think he'll be closer to what joffer has, but more options, and not allowing people to select every option, would have made for better poll results.

 

[cantstop1999]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

You asked for opinions... I think he'll be closer to what joffer has, but more options, and not allowing people to select every option, would have made for better poll results.

Listen, i want opinions but that said, to say he will see only 200 touches does seem rediculous. for so many reasons i dont even want to explain.

 

[Zoomanji]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

You asked for opinions... I think he'll be closer to what joffer has, but more options, and not allowing people to select every option, would have made for better poll results.

Listen, i want opinions but that said, to say he will see only 200 touches does seem rediculous. for so many reasons i dont even want to explain.

Sooooo, you want opinions that either agree with you or exceed your floor for Barber?

 

[crnerblitz]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

Just say smoo! We'll know what you mean.

 

[switz]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

You asked for opinions... I think he'll be closer to what joffer has, but more options, and not allowing people to select every option, would have made for better poll results.

Listen, i want opinions but that said, to say he will see only 200 touches does seem rediculous. for so many reasons i dont even want to explain.

Like last year was the first year he saw over 200 touches (not carries, touches) or something, right? I mean, the guys track record as a workhorse back makes it seem impossible he'd see anything less than 275 minimum. I don't see Barber with 300 touches, but I agree he will see more than 250. But to say that less than that is so ridiculous it shouldn't even be an option is... well... ridiculous.

 

[switz]

Marion Barber has been confounding fantasy players who know that he has the talent to be a top running back in the NFL. Finally he has been given the opportunity that fantasy owners have been waiting for. Previously stuck in a rotating situation behind Julius Jones, there is now nothing standing in his way to excel.

It was evident at the end of the 2007 season that Barber has what it takes. When given the opportunity to start in the playoffs, Barber responded by rushing for 129 yards and 1 touchdown. With Julius Jones out of the way look for Barber to stay on track with his late season burst.

Though this is only Barber's fourth season, the only starting offensive players at skill positions at this point in the preseason with more experience than Barber are Terrell Owens at wide receiver and the tight end Jason Witten. Look for Barber's experience and veteran status to factor into his use and the role he will play in the Dallas Cowboys offensive playbook.

This is a make it or break it year for Marion Barber. Will he finally become the feature back that so many believe he can be? Just looking at how he responded last year when handed the spot, I believe the answer is a resounding yes!

Sounds GREAT... also sounds A LOT LIKE THIS.

 

[cantstop1999]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

You asked for opinions... I think he'll be closer to what joffer has, but more options, and not allowing people to select every option, would have made for better poll results.

Listen, i want opinions but that said, to say he will see only 200 touches does seem rediculous. for so many reasons i dont even want to explain.

Like last year was the first year he saw over 200 touches (not carries, touches) or something, right? I mean, the guys track record as a workhorse back makes it seem impossible he'd see anything less than 275 minimum. I don't see Barber with 300 touches, but I agree he will see more than 250. But to say that less than that is so ridiculous it shouldn't even be an option is... well... ridiculous.

if your going to chim in atlease try to follow the story, now go back and read before you comment. ridiculous was 200 touches not 250 or 275 and yes it's REDICULOUS !!!

 

[cantstop1999]

i see a work horse coming ,maybe not 350 touches but around 300+ so will see.

 

[benm3218]

Why did you have to change the name in the topic?

I MISS BAREBER!

 

[Zoomanji]

Why did you have to change the name in the topic?I MISS BAREBER!

rediculous!!!!

 

[David Yudkin]

Todd Archer addresses several under-the-radar questions the Cowboys will need to answer at some point.

How quickly will Felix Jones progress?

Marion Barber will be the every-down back, but they don't want to burn him out with 300-plus carries this season. Jones looked fluid coming out of the backfield catching passes in off-season camps. It helps that the running game has similar terminology to what he had at Arkansas. He needs to show he can be more than just a speed threat. Julius Jones had about 12 touches per game lin 2007. The Cowboys would want Felix Jones to have about 10 to 12 this season.

LINK

 

[Burning Sensation]

I could not vote since you did provide a total low enough.

I would say around 200.

he had 247 last year . are you for real ? all that money and he is the starter and you say less??? ok

You asked for opinions... I think he'll be closer to what joffer has, but more options, and not allowing people to select every option, would have made for better poll results.

Listen, i want opinions but that said, to say he will see only 200 touches does seem rediculous. for so many reasons i dont even want to explain.

Like last year was the first year he saw over 200 touches (not carries, touches) or something, right? I mean, the guys track record as a workhorse back makes it seem impossible he'd see anything less than 275 minimum. I don't see Barber with 300 touches, but I agree he will see more than 250. But to say that less than that is so ridiculous it shouldn't even be an option is... well... ridiculous.

if your going to chim in atlease try to follow the story, now go back and read before you comment. ridiculous was 200 touches not 250 or 275 and yes it's REDICULOUS !!!

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

 

[joffer]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

 

[John Mamula]

Todd Archer addresses several under-the-radar questions the Cowboys will need to answer at some point.

How quickly will Felix Jones progress?

Marion Barber will be the every-down back, but they don't want to burn him out with 300-plus carries this season. Jones looked fluid coming out of the backfield catching passes in off-season camps. It helps that the running game has similar terminology to what he had at Arkansas. He needs to show he can be more than just a speed threat. Julius Jones had about 12 touches per game lin 2007. The Cowboys would want Felix Jones to have about 10 to 12 this season.

LINK

we're talking about touches, not carries correct?

 

[Phurfur]

Sorry if this has already been posted.

From RotoWorld

MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back

Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.

Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm et

Source: Dallas Morning News

 

[kip stabone]

smoo

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

 

[menobrown]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

 

[gianmarco]

it seems that we're dealing with two competing indicators, the contract that the Cowboys gave Barber vs. the drafting of Jones. i can think of examples in the past of teams drafting a 1st round RB without the immediate intention of giving him a significant # of touches his first year, but i can't think of a RB that received a contract that big and didn't get 70%+ of the touches the next year (barring injury). maybe they're out there, but i haven't thought of one.

Problem is a very limited data set. A contract in the last year or two are MUCH higher on average than those signed just a couple of years before. The salary cap has gone up considerably in recent years AND there is the weird "uncapped" years phenomenon floating around out there right now.Barber's contract is big, no doubt (certainly "starter money" can't argue that). But you can't compare it to the contracts signed three and four years ago and say the team values this guy more than the other teams value their guys. Alexander was signed for slightly LESS than what Barber just got per year in 2006 and it was a RECORD deal at the time. Of course, he's no longer with the team two years later.

Here's the other half of the equation:

2007 Peterson, Lynch

2006 Bush, Maroney, Williams, Addai

2005 Brown, Benson, Caddy

2004 S Jackson, Perry, K Jones (Perry was injured his first year)

2003 McGahee, Larry Johnson (LJ is first example I see, and he had a record-setting back in front of him at the time)

2002 Green, Duckett (both heavily used in rookie year)

2001 LT, McAllister, Bennett (McAllister 2nd example)

2000 Lewis, T Jones, Dayne, Alexander, Canidate (Alexander and Canidate OK examples)

1999 James, Williams



You have to look pretty darn hard to find 1st round RBs that teams don't plan to use extensively the first year, and Alexander is the ONLY one in recent history to be drafted where Felix was or before. In the last four years, every single first round back was used extensively in their rookie year (majority of them started by the end of the year). Even the guys that went to teams with very established starters saw a lot of action.

Maybe you're seeing things that I'm not seeing. That list is a perfect example of why Felix is not likely to hurt Barber at least for 2008. Reggie Bush--155 carries his 1st year

Maroney -- 175 carries his 1st year

DeAngelo Williams -- 121 carries his 1st year

Benson -- 67 carries his 1st year

SJax -- 134 carries his 1st year

TJ Duckett -- 130 carries his 1st year

Larry Johnson -- 20 carries his 1st year

Deuce McAllister -- 16 carries his 1st year

Michael Bennett -- 172 carries his 1st year

So, out of the last 19 RB's drafted in the 1st round, 1/2 of them saw 175 carries or less. That list doesn't include Perry and McGahee who were injured. And of the rest, only Peterson and arguably Addai had a legit starter ahead of them. And that list of RB's with 175 carries has some talent on it as well so it's not as if it's the 1/2 that turned out to be scrubs.

Considering, J. Jones had 165 carries last year, I see no reason to indicate that Barber doesn't get AT least 204 CARRIES like he did last year. Factor in the size of his contract, and he'll not only see the same carries but likely some more.

 

[joffer]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

brilliant248 last year. this year, they decided to pay him a ton of money to give him the ball 20% less

 

[zoonation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.