how many touches does Barber get ? (1 Viewer)

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 touches.

 

[joffer]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin" so it's either 200, or over 300, nothing in between

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin"

Maybe, but when the Cowboys limit his regular season touches, or he gets hurt because they didnt, i will come back to show you what i had.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin" so it's either 200, or over 300, nothing in between

The OP has 275 touches as the lowest option.

 

[joffer]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin" so it's either 200, or over 300, nothing in between

The OP has 275 touches as the lowest option.

and you stated that you believe it will be 200. when someone questions that, the answer is "Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries."

 

[joffer]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin"

Maybe, but when the Cowboys limit his regular season touches, or he gets hurt because they didnt, i will come back to show you what i had.

so now it's injury, that the reason you're going with?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin" so it's either 200, or over 300, nothing in between

The OP has 275 touches as the lowest option.

and you stated that you believe it will be 200. when someone questions that, the answer is "Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries."

Nobody questioned it, they acted is if what i was saying was off the wall crazy, and i am not about to try to make sensible points in a thread full of biased owners.Also, i said around 200, i just noticed i had him at 223 touches in the Barber player spotlight. I will stick by somewhere between 200 and 223.

If i am the Cowboys, and my best RB runs like Barber does, i would limit his touches during the regular season as much as i can, especially if i have been ousted from the playoffs in the first game back to back years. The drafting of Jones and Choice leads me to believe that may very well be their intention.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin"

Maybe, but when the Cowboys limit his regular season touches, or he gets hurt because they didnt, i will come back to show you what i had.

so now it's injury, that the reason you're going with?

Thats part of it, a guy who runs that violently is more of an injury risk. Remember, the Cowboys dont care about your fantasy football team.

 

[joffer]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin" so it's either 200, or over 300, nothing in between

The OP has 275 touches as the lowest option.

and you stated that you believe it will be 200. when someone questions that, the answer is "Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries."

Nobody questioned it, they acted is if what i was saying was off the wall crazy, and i am not about to try to make sensible points in a thread full of biased owners.Also, i said around 200, i just noticed i had him at 223 touches in the Barber player spotlight. I will stick by somewhere between 200 and 223.

If i am the Cowboys, and my best RB runs like Barber does, i would limit his touches during the regular season as much as i can, especially if i have been ousted from the playoffs in the first game back to back years. The drafting of Jones and Choice leads me to believe that may very well be their intention.

you act like he's the first RB with a physical running style. has Barber ever missed a game because of injury?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not everyone is looking at it through Barber colored glasses.

you're right. those saying '200 touches' are looking at him through blindfolds

Really, how many touches has he averaged per year in his career?

Are you honestly using that as a barometer for this upcoming season? Terrible argument...but you've been teeing them up this whole thread.

Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries.

translation: "I've got nothin" so it's either 200, or over 300, nothing in between

The OP has 275 touches as the lowest option.

and you stated that you believe it will be 200. when someone questions that, the answer is "Sorry Barber owners, you are right, he is going to have over 300 carries."

Nobody questioned it, they acted is if what i was saying was off the wall crazy, and i am not about to try to make sensible points in a thread full of biased owners.Also, i said around 200, i just noticed i had him at 223 touches in the Barber player spotlight. I will stick by somewhere between 200 and 223.

If i am the Cowboys, and my best RB runs like Barber does, i would limit his touches during the regular season as much as i can, especially if i have been ousted from the playoffs in the first game back to back years. The drafting of Jones and Choice leads me to believe that may very well be their intention.

you act like he's the first RB with a physical running style. has Barber ever missed a game because of injury?

I havnt seen any RB run as violently as him since Earl Campbell, but thats not the point. The Cowboys are in a great position to make a deep playoff run. They are also good enough to make the playoffs without pounding their #1 back into the ground during the regular season. Other teams with RB's similar to Barber will need to rely heavily on their top back to get them into the playoffs, SJax, Lynch, LJ, AD etc.

 

[plastik]

Also, i said around 200, i just noticed i had him at 223 touches in the Barber player spotlight. I will stick by somewhere between 200 and 223.

Something relevant from a Cowboys beat writer:http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...ining-camp.html

Really though, to say that Barber will only get 223 touches is almost laughable. All indications point to Barber's role either staying the same or increasing. For him to only get 223 touches when he had 248 last year it would take an injury, imo. Undervalue Barber at your own peril...

 

[Zoomanji]

Also, i said around 200, i just noticed i had him at 223 touches in the Barber player spotlight. I will stick by somewhere between 200 and 223.

Something relevant from a Cowboys beat writer:http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives...ining-camp.html

Really though, to say that Barber will only get 223 touches is almost laughable. All indications point to Barber's role either staying the same or increasing. For him to only get 223 touches when he had 248 last year it would take an injury, imo. Undervalue Barber at your own peril...

Your link (also in the e-mail this morning)

How quickly will Felix Jones progress?

Marion Barber will be the every-down back, but they don't want to burn him out with 300-plus carries this season. Jones looked fluid coming out of the backfield catching passes in off-season camps. It helps that the running game has similar terminology to what he had at Arkansas. He needs to show he can be more than just a speed threat. Julius Jones had about 12 touches per game lin 2007. The Cowboys would want Felix Jones to have about 10 to 12 this season.

So we can figure this out mathematically since this quote contradicts itself. 20 carries/touches a game comes to 320 for the year, so he estimates Barber will have 18-19 touches a game of the 30-35 available while Jones will have 10-12 (making about 175 on the year for him).I don't really consider guys with less than 20 touches to be full-time backs but I'm sure some one will post that they do. And if the split ends up 300 for MB3 and 175 for Jones that means MB3 will get 63% of the touches. Sure its a majority but not the 80%+ that most of the top 5 RBs will get.

My point is even thought the beat writer says Barber will be the man he still admits that it will be a RBBC and the estimated math supports this. And this really won't be decided till mid-Oct anyway but all signs point to Barber again in a RBBC

 

[joffer]

Zoo, what % of touches would a RB have to get for you to not think of it as a RBBC. It's just semantics, but i'm curious.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboy fan......

I see Barber holding a similar role to last year with perhaps an increase.

Barber 17-21 touches a game

Felix gets 9-12 touches a game

 

[Zoomanji]

Zoo, what % of touches would a RB have to get for you to not think of it as a RBBC. It's just semantics, but i'm curious.

20+ per game or 75%Now if you look at rush attempts per team last year, the average was 437 per team (max of 543 min of 324). Using the average, 75% was 328 carries or 20.5 per game.

Now if you go with 300 carries (on an average team) you're down to 68% ( or 18.75 per game). Still close to FT back but not enough IMO to crack the very elite top tier of RBs based on opportunities a player will see. These days thought there are less than a handful of guys who will see the 330+ touches though.

Drop down now to 65% and its 285 carries. That's my ultimate limit on calling a guy a FT back. But when you consider the Dallas situation and the comment that Jones will get 10-12 touches a game see how that throws the numbers off. 437 carries to be divvied up. Of Jones 10-12 touches let's say 8 are carries. That's 128 on the year, subtracted from the 437 per team, leaving about 310 for MB3. But wait, they aren't going to give MB3 that many carriers according to the "blogger". Well if you go back an assume that Dallas will have the same amount of carries as last year (419) the numbers will fall into line a little better. But it will still put MB3 under 300 and actually a considerable amount of carries to Felix making for all intents and purposes a RBBC if you compare the percentages of touches for the 2 backs.

And I realize that for the sake of this comment I disregarded catches for the most part.

 

[Phurfur]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

 

[menobrown]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

Comprehension down? Let me help. Todd Archer for the Dallas Morning News states that he does not expect Barber to get 300 carried. Rotoworld than takes Archer's comment and they opine that 300 touches is doable. In no part of the blog from Tood Archer does he say 300 touches is doable.

 

[switz]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

This is probably based on Phillips comments a few weeks ago. I say that because the team isn't even back together yet, and there is really no news out of Cowboys camp, so the guy has to dig for something.Either way, Phillips said Barber "could be" the every down back, but that they were going to work Felix into the offense because he can do special things.In other words, it's coach speak, to make all the players happy.Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every aspect of the game IMO.

 

[Phurfur]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

Comprehension down? Let me help. Todd Archer for the Dallas Morning News states that he does not expect Barber to get 300 carried. Rotoworld than takes Archer's comment and they opine that 300 touches is doable. In no part of the blog from Tood Archer does he say 300 touches is doable.

Computer skills down? Let me help. Maybe you should start quoting the post you are talking about.

 

[Dancing Bear]

I can see Barber getting 272 rushes in 2008 and 48 receptions for a total of 320 total touches.

However I don't see that significantly impacting his Fantasy production as you are talking about only an additional 15 yards per game.

As it was, he completely hogged the TD's by a runner with 13 of their 17 TD's. J. Jones had 2 and T. Romo had the other 2.

All but one of these 17 TD's were from within the Red Zone!

I expect his finish to once again be in the Top 10 of RB's but I actually think that he have to work much harder for his double digit TD's in 2008.

 

[menobrown]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

Comprehension down? Let me help. Todd Archer for the Dallas Morning News states that he does not expect Barber to get 300 carried. Rotoworld than takes Archer's comment and they opine that 300 touches is doable. In no part of the blog from Tood Archer does he say 300 touches is doable.

Computer skills down? Let me help. Maybe you should start quoting the post you are talking about.

Dude seriously. Go back and read what I wrote and if you still don't get it reread it until you do. If that does not help you let me try again. In my comment I quote a comment I was responding to AND mention that this comment did not jive with the link from the Dallas Morning news which I said was posted right above that comment.

 

[Phurfur]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

Comprehension down? Let me help. Todd Archer for the Dallas Morning News states that he does not expect Barber to get 300 carried. Rotoworld than takes Archer's comment and they opine that 300 touches is doable. In no part of the blog from Tood Archer does he say 300 touches is doable.

Computer skills down? Let me help. Maybe you should start quoting the post you are talking about.

Dude seriously. Go back and read what I wrote and if you still don't get it reread it until you do. If that does not help you let me try again. In my comment I quote a comment I was responding to AND mention that this comment did not jive with the link from the Dallas Morning news which I said was posted right above that comment.

Do you know you can quote more than one post? Do you really expect people to go back and find what you are talking about?

 

[switz]

Sorry if this has already been posted.From RotoWorld MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm etSource: Dallas Morning News

Several inaccuracies exist regarding your comment and the comments in the link to the Dallas Morning News, which was posted just above your post. That information does state Marion Barber will be the every down back and it does state that he is the every down back but that they don't to wear him down with 300 carries. However, I don't see anything in that blog entry suggesting 300 touches is doable. The article does say they want Felix to get 10-12 touches a game. Julius Jones got 11.75 per game. I guess you can spin this blog however you want. Pro-Barber people will read this and take away it says he is the everydown back while those dubious of Barber seeing an increased role will point to the fact it says Felix is going to get as many touches as Julius which would generally mean Barbers touches will remain the same based on last years RB usage.

Comprehension down? Let me help. Todd Archer for the Dallas Morning News states that he does not expect Barber to get 300 carried. Rotoworld than takes Archer's comment and they opine that 300 touches is doable. In no part of the blog from Tood Archer does he say 300 touches is doable.

Computer skills down? Let me help. Maybe you should start quoting the post you are talking about.

Dude seriously. Go back and read what I wrote and if you still don't get it reread it until you do. If that does not help you let me try again. In my comment I quote a comment I was responding to AND mention that this comment did not jive with the link from the Dallas Morning news which I said was posted right above that comment.

Do you know you can quote more than one post? Do you really expect people to go back and find what you are talking about?

Huh? You don't need to go back and find... just read the thread quoted in the post.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I had a dream that Felix gets hurt before the season starts, so I'm slotting Barber for a lot of touches. Maybe around 350 or a little more.

Laugh if you want, but I've seen sillier rationales. These things come true at times, especially when they're unimportant situations (like fantasy football). I never get lottery numbers or find out about important events or anything.

 

[TitusIII]

Barber takes a beating due to his style of running...20 carries per game may be a bit much...

250-275 is my guess...

 

[switz]

I had a dream that Felix gets hurt before the season starts, so I'm slotting Barber for a lot of touches. Maybe around 350 or a little more.Laugh if you want, but I've seen sillier rationales. These things come true at times, especially when they're unimportant situations (like fantasy football). I never get lottery numbers or find out about important events or anything.

Crazy... I had a dream Barber got hurt during week 1...Guess you'd better hitch your ride to the Tashard Choice bandwagon

 

[joffer]

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every one aspect of the game IMO.

agree, he's faster

 

[switz]

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every one aspect of the game IMO.

agree, he's faster

LOL he is shiftier, has better hands, far better vision, and as you mentioned - he is MUCH faster. The only area Barber is better is power. Just wait. There is a reason Barber was a 4th round pick and Felix was a 1st rounder.And before you argue about the vision - there is a reason Barber breaks so many tackles.

And before you argue hands compare Jones college receiving to Barbers

 

[Jack Burton]

Sorry if this has already been posted.

From RotoWorld

MBIII expected to be Dallas' every-down back

Cowboys beat writer Todd Archer expects Marion Barber to be an "every-down back" despite the team's addition of Felix Jones.

Archer doesn't think Barber will get 300 carries, but 300 touches is doable because he'll catch a lot of balls. Jones is expected to get 10-12 touches per game as a change of pace. Barber will get every goal-line carry imaginable. Jul. 17 - 4:17 pm et

Source: Dallas Morning News

This is probably based on Phillips comments a few weeks ago. I say that because the team isn't even back together yet, and there is really no news out of Cowboys camp, so the guy has to dig for something.Either way, Phillips said Barber "could be" the every down back, but that they were going to work Felix into the offense because he can do special things.

In other words, it's coach speak, to make all the players happy.

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every aspect of the game IMO.

What are you basing this on?. Felix Jones hasn't played a single down of NFL football and you make it seem like Barber should be concerned for his job. If FJones could outplay Barber in every aspect then why should the cowboys even keep MB3 on the roster? If FJones is more complete than MB3 that almost makes him the best back in the league. The Idea that Barber will see less touches in 08 than 07 is bereft of logic. Obviously the Cowboys like MB3 and think he is ready to take the reins as a full time sarter. To reduce his touches in 08 means they spent a lot of cash on a part time running back. Which makes more sense to you

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every one aspect of the game IMO.

agree, he's faster

LOL he is shiftier, has better hands, far better vision, and as you mentioned - he is MUCH faster. The only area Barber is better is power. Just wait. There I'd a reason Barber was a 4th round pick and Felix was a 1st rounder.And before you argue about the vision - there is a reason he breaks so many tackles.

And before you argue hands compare his college receiving to Barbers

Please don't use this argument (or this grammar). It's not logical in any way. As for your Portis sig, do you realize Portis was approximately as many points away from not being in the top 10 as he was from being #2? And that's in non-ppr. In ppr, he was about equidistant between #2 and #17. I feel as though you are quoting that trying to say that he was very close to #2. He really wasn't.

Saying that Jones is better than Barber right now is flat out ridiculous. I'll just assume that you're fishing.

 

[Manster]

think like a coach, GM, or owner, not like a FF geek. they want their team as healthy as possible for the playoffs. and if you think the Cowboys aren't planning for the playoffs this yr, you're a waterhead.

MBIII's carries will depend on how the games go. in blowouts he'll get less reps, and the rookies will get a lot of time. close games he is the man.

MBIII got the contract for a reason. the guy is a good RB with a nose for the endzone. i doubt he'll get 300 carries, but he's still a good 1st round FF RB, imo. i know TD's are hard to predict, but this guy is gonna get double digits, take it to the bank. MBIII does more with fewer carries than typical workhorse RB's.

if you watched the Cowboys last yr, you'd know that their running game can get stagnant from time to time. MBIII has a nice burst and good vision, but Felix is the speed. if Felix can prove he's a got what it takes (blocking, picking up the offense, etc.) he'll see about as many touches as JJ last season. Felix will be a great COP (hopefully) back to keep the offense fresh, imo.

i still think MBIII is one of the safer choices at RB in the 1st round.

 

[amphibianbri]

About 300 total seems about right. They are going to have some blowouts plus some games that they will throw at will and abandon the run game somewhat. If he averages 16-18 carries per game and a catch or 2, he ends up around 300.

 

[menobrown]

The Idea that Barber will see less touches in 08 than 07 is bereft of logic.

Personally I think Barbers touches will remain fairly the same and if that holds true I think he is being drafted a little to high right now. So while I don't forecast less touches for him I certainly can see the logic and it's actually quite simple. Julius Jones got 11.75 carries a game and for the most part was unproductive. I don't see that it's crazy for someone to think that if Felix is more productive than Julius that they might see more touches than Julius did at the expense of Barber. You don't have to agree with this to see the logic in the thought process behind it.

 

[joffer]

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every one aspect of the game IMO.

agree, he's faster

LOL he is shiftier,

in your opinion

has better hands

disagree

far better vision

how you can be certain of this absolutely boggles the mind

, and as you mentioned - he is MUCH faster. The only area Barber is better is power. Just wait. There I'd a reason Barber was a 4th round pick and Felix was a 1st rounder.

And before you argue about the vision - there is a reason he breaks so many tackles.

And before you argue hands compare his college receiving to Barbers

i don't argue any of those things, i only argue that you CONTINUOUSLY rate rookies ahead of proven backs.

 

[joffer]

the more i read this thread, the more i realize how little some people have actually watched Marion Barber run. Contrary to opinion, he doesn't just lower his head and plow into the line. HTH.

 

[Burning Sensation]

the more i read this thread, the more i realize how little some people have actually watched Marion Barber run. Contrary to opinion, he doesn't just lower his head and plow into the line. HTH.

While i may have come off as a Barber hater, i dont doubt his skills, just how much the Cowboys will use him.

 

[joffer]

the more i read this thread, the more i realize how little some people have actually watched Marion Barber run. Contrary to opinion, he doesn't just lower his head and plow into the line. HTH.

While i may have come off as a Barber hater, i dont doubt his skills, just how much the Cowboys will use him.

no doubt, you and i are in a whole different galaxy. the Cowboys aren't going to walk on the field week 1 and suddenly have home field advantage. keeping a back fresh is not giving him 350 carries. giving him 200 carries is severely under-utilizing one of your best players who you just paid a mint.

 

[menobrown]

the more i read this thread, the more i realize how little some people have actually watched Marion Barber run. Contrary to opinion, he doesn't just lower his head and plow into the line. HTH.

While i may have come off as a Barber hater, i dont doubt his skills, just how much the Cowboys will use him.

no doubt, you and i are in a whole different galaxy. the Cowboys aren't going to walk on the field week 1 and suddenly have home field advantage. keeping a back fresh is not giving him 350 carries. giving him 200 carries is severely under-utilizing one of your best players who you just paid a mint.

Dallas fought Green Bay all season long for home field advantage and Barber ended up with 203 carries. Sure Dallas paid Barber a lot but in the context of things he only got the 4th best contract on his own team this off season and using a first round pick on Felix Jones and the money that goes with that demonstrates a commitment there as well.I'm not a Cowboy fan and I've never had Barber on my fantasy team but he's one of my favorite players to watch. His fantasy production on the amount of touches he saw last year was fantastic but I do have my doubts that he will see more touches than he did last year.

 

[switz]

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every one aspect of the game IMO.

agree, he's faster

LOL he is shiftier,

in your opinion

has better hands

disagree

far better vision

how you can be certain of this absolutely boggles the mind

, and as you mentioned - he is MUCH faster. The only area Barber is better is power. Just wait. There I'd a reason Barber was a 4th round pick and Felix was a 1st rounder.

And before you argue about the vision - there is a reason he breaks so many tackles.

And before you argue hands compare his college receiving to Barbers

i don't argue any of those things, i only argue that you CONTINUOUSLY rate rookies ahead of proven backs.

Continuously as in Stewart over DeAngelo? I'm glad there's one other example to support your statement.On the other hand I also said Taylor would keep MJD in a secondary role as long as he was there. I was the only guy here saying Hearst was better than Barlow. I was consistent in sayomg Foster would start ahead of Foster. I'm trying to even think of situations where I said a rookie was better than the "starter"

 

[switz]

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every one aspect of the game IMO.

agree, he's faster

LOL he is shiftier, has better hands, far better vision, and as you mentioned - he is MUCH faster. The only area Barber is better is power. Just wait. There I'd a reason Barber was a 4th round pick and Felix was a 1st rounder.And before you argue about the vision - there is a reason he breaks so many tackles.

And before you argue hands compare his college receiving to Barbers

Please don't use this argument (or this grammar). It's not logical in any way.

Grammar is a result of my iPhone autocompleting is to I'd

As for your Portis sig, do you realize Portis was approximately as many points away from not being in the top 10 as he was from being #2? And that's in non-ppr. In ppr, he was about equidistant between #2 and #17. I feel as though you are quoting that trying to say that he was very close to #2. He really wasn't.

LOL he finished 4th. No matter how you spin it. No matter what the dropoff was between 3 & 4 or 4 & 5.

Saying that Jones is better than Barber right now is flat out ridiculous. I'll just assume that you're fishing.

Not fishing.

 

[benm3218]

The Idea that Barber will see less touches in 08 than 07 is bereft of logic.

Personally I think Barbers touches will remain fairly the same and if that holds true I think he is being drafted a little to high right now. So while I don't forecast less touches for him I certainly can see the logic and it's actually quite simple. Julius Jones got 11.75 carries a game and for the most part was unproductive. I don't see that it's crazy for someone to think that if Felix is more productive than Julius that they might see more touches than Julius did at the expense of Barber. You don't have to agree with this to see the logic in the thought process behind it.

Imagine that... A logical well thought out post was ignored while people emotionally posted about thier number 1 pick and how great he is...There is NO WAY to argue with the logic that menobrown used.

 

[KellysHeroes]

275 [ 66 ] [44.00%]

300 [ 61 ] [40.67%]

inbetween these 2 sounds right to me

around 250 carries w/ 30 recs

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I had a dream that Felix gets hurt before the season starts, so I'm slotting Barber for a lot of touches. Maybe around 350 or a little more.Laugh if you want, but I've seen sillier rationales. These things come true at times, especially when they're unimportant situations (like fantasy football). I never get lottery numbers or find out about important events or anything.

Crazy... I had a dream Barber got hurt during week 1...Guess you'd better hitch your ride to the Tashard Choice bandwagon

Did you really have that dream, and do they ever come true? That would be interesting.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Continuously as in Stewart over DeAngelo? I'm glad there's one other example to support your statement.

On the other hand I also said Taylor would keep MJD in a secondary role as long as he was there. I was the only guy here saying Hearst was better than Barlow. I was consistent in sayomg Foster would start ahead of Foster. I'm trying to even think of situations where I said a rookie was better than the "starter"

 

[ajopiela]

A few more than last year. But, obviously watch how Felix Jones does in training camp and adjust accordingly.

 

[switz]

Continuously as in Stewart over DeAngelo? I'm glad there's one other example to support your statement.

On the other hand I also said Taylor would keep MJD in a secondary role as long as he was there. I was the only guy here saying Hearst was better than Barlow. I was consistent in sayomg Foster would start ahead of Foster. I'm trying to even think of situations where I said a rookie was better than the "starter"

I meant Foster of DeAngelo

Barber is going to have a very hard time keeping Jones off the field. Felix is better at almost every aspect of the game IMO.

What are you basing this on?. Felix Jones hasn't played a single down of NFL football and you make it seem like Barber should be concerned for his job. If FJones could outplay Barber in every aspect then why should the cowboys even keep MB3 on the roster? If FJones is more complete than MB3 that almost makes him the best back in the league. The Idea that Barber will see less touches in 08 than 07 is bereft of logic.

- Basing it on watching them both play in college, and then watching Barber in the pros. If they were both entering the NFL today, Felix would be drafted far ahead of Barber.- I don't think Barber should be concerned for his job at all. The Cowboys want both RBs to play.

- I don't think Barber is anywhere near the best back in the league, so to say Felix is better doesn't make him near best back in the league either.

- I have never argued that Barber will see a reduction of touches. I don't think he will, I see between 250-260 carries, plus 25-30 receptions.

Crazy... I had a dream Barber got hurt during week 1...

Did you really have that dream, and do they ever come true? That would be interesting.

I really did have that dream, but I don't put much stock into my dreams.